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What will 7/7 inquest achieve?

08:10 UK time, Monday, 11 October 2010

The inquests for the 52 people killed by four suicide bombers in the 7 July 2005 London attacks are under way. What will they uncover?

The inquests has been delayed while three friends of the bombers were tried and cleared of any involvement in the attacks on three underground trains and a bus.

Lady Justice Hallett will preside over five months of hearings without a jury. She will look at whether MI5 could have stopped the bombers - but many victims' families still want a public inquiry.

The inquests are expected to open with the hearings being shown footage and pictures of aftermath of the attacks that have never been seen before.

What will the inquests achieve? Should there be a public inquiry? Will new footage help unveil the story?

This debate is now closed. Thank you for your comments.

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  • Comment number 1.

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  • Comment number 2.

    The inquests for the 52 people killed by four suicide bombers in the 7 July 2005 London attacks are due to start. What will they uncover?

    Well given that its over 3 years since the attacks, one would hope that all the really important stuff, concerning the security of the country has already been 'discovered'.

    Why, exactly, does it take so long to get these enqiries up and running?

    And after Jean Charles de Menezes, Derrick Bird, The G20 in general and various other recent inquiries into events in the capital, will the Metropolitan police deign to co-operate this time?

    or will they continue to be more concerned with continuing to cover up any failures on their own behalf?

  • Comment number 3.

    Well if it uncovers the fact that we have a large number of potential muslim terrorists living freely amongst us then i'm sure that will be suppressed, other than that it's an opportunity to ring many more millions out of the overburdened tax payer.

  • Comment number 4.

    It will achieve nothing except reopening an old wound & bringing back painful memories. So what if it is established that MI5 could have preempted the attacks: I am sure the people in the know are well aware of the truth. This inquest is a very British practice: usually a whitewash & an attempt at closure. I admire the stoicism & scepticismn of the ordinary British bloke for whom this is irrelevant & a waste of money.

  • Comment number 5.

    It would be nice to see some more CCTV evidence.

    Strange how it has been hidden for all this time, yet the bombers would have been under surveillance for the entirety of their journey.

  • Comment number 6.

    What will the inquests achieve?

    I imagine that it will provide an excellent oppurtunity for a few of the HYS regulars to submit some really unpleasant comments about the intrinsic nature of Islam, whilst propagating the conspiracy theory, that all muslims have some kind of co-ordinated agenda.

    A conspiracy theory plagarised directly from the anti-semitic propaganda of the 19th & 20th centuries.

  • Comment number 7.

    It should report that all terrorists should be hanged.

  • Comment number 8.

    If there's any doubt, then of course there should be an inquiry into MI5. This organisation should not be exempt from scrutiny or criticism.

  • Comment number 9.

    Hopefully the truth-

    >Who was and wasnt involved.
    >What was known and acted upon.
    >How these people became part of terrorism and how it can be prevented in future.

    I also hope there are no scapegoats made in the intelligence services. They cant be right every time. It would be nice is any hero's of the day could be mentioned. A bit of pride in the people who acted at the time and a genuine appreciation of how people stuck together and worked through it.

  • Comment number 10.

    Unfortunatly, whatever it uncovers it will never bring back the people who died.

  • Comment number 11.

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    6. At 09:28am on 11 Oct 2010, Horse wrote:

    What will the inquests achieve?

    I imagine that it will provide an excellent oppurtunity for a few of the HYS regulars to submit some really unpleasant comments about the intrinsic nature of Islam, whilst propagating the conspiracy theory, that all muslims have some kind of co-ordinated agenda.
    "

    My favourite conspiracy theory is that 9/11 was in fact orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad and the planes weren't actually commercial airliners, but US made anti-gravity powered drones. Well, this must be true because it says so on richplaner.net. So, I wonder if 7/7 were done in the same way? The reason why this (these??) acts were down, was all done to stir up hatred towards Islam.

    Oh,btw, I don't really believe these theories, just think the people who do are very, very sad people.

  • Comment number 12.

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    10. At 09:39am on 11 Oct 2010, lucky5star wrote:

    Unfortunatly, whatever it uncovers it will never bring back the people who died.
    "

    Indeed. But it should warn us not to let these types of hate fueled acts against our way of life continue, and that all most be done to stop it from happened again.

  • Comment number 13.

    We do not ever seem to learn in this country.

    There needs to be a public enquiry into the events of July 2005. It should not be possible for our ruling classes to marginalise the public, the potential victims of terrorism, with this kind of irritation. It serves the victims, nor their families, any good at all.

  • Comment number 14.

    It will achieve a break in the seemingly endless news about the wave of budget cuts, so from that perspective it's already been a success for the government.

    Other than that, it won't really change anything. Unless Britain untangles itself from US foreign policy there will always be a bullseye upon it.

  • Comment number 15.

    That the bomb did it...

    Beyond this do this enquiries achieve much? that we need more cctv, redress how "intellegence" is used.
    As for whether it could have been stopped, probably. Thing is there are probably 1000 plots that are logged in the files as prevented that we never hear of. We only hear the ones that weren't prevented.
    What could the enquiry produce, whether the intellegency community got it wrong? recomendations as to how the intellegence could be improved, perhaps give greater powers to phone tap, monitor emails etc.
    Maybe someone could shed some light and thoughts of the benefits of a "quango" actaully will do / change.

  • Comment number 16.

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  • Comment number 17.

    I am not sure what it will unearth. If there are things we all could learn from the inquest, that will be excellent. However, my concern is people start blaming one another for any failures. Also I hope the inquest will not bring or unearth any hurts for the victims' families. They had went through a lot overcoming their loss and I believe the inquest have to be sensitive to their needs too.

  • Comment number 18.

    This was a dreadful event, and there have been some tragic as well as heroic stories emerging. My sympathies are with the families and the survivors.

    I can’t really see what an enquiry is going to achieve, apart from costing a few million quid, and lining the pockets of some lawyers.

    With all due respect, we know who did it, and we know what happened. There has been a criminal enquiry, and there have been various detailed documentaries. We seem to already know a lot about it, what else is there to know?

    To start analysing whether MI5 should have known more, or should have communicated what they did know better, or whether the Ambulances got there quick enough, etc, etc …personally, I really can’t see the point.

    I realise there will be members of families who want this as part of the process of grieving, but equally, I suspect there are other families who do not want it in the news on a regular basis for the coming months because it will open up the wounds again.

    Its’ not for me or anyone else to say really, but unless I am being naïve, which is always a danger with HYS, it seems unnecessary.

  • Comment number 19.

    It'll last five months, cost tens of millions of pounds, and will almost certainly find that fifty-two people were unlawfully killed. How can it come to any other verdict?
    It will be a waste of public time and money.

  • Comment number 20.

    Hopefully the answers to some real questions. There are a lot of doubts hanging over the 7/7 story as presented by the government, and I hope that the inquest won't be afraid of finding out the truth.

    Or it will just conclude that we should just keep bombing the crap out of poor people.

  • Comment number 21.

    Not a lot, I would imagine there'll be a lot of covering up of poor responses by the security services and the police. Couple that with everyone being politically correct to avoid upsetting the enemy within, and there'll be nothing that comes out that we didn't already know.

  • Comment number 22.

    6. At 09:28am on 11 Oct 2010, Horse wrote:
    What will the inquests achieve?

    I imagine that it will provide an excellent oppurtunity for a few of the HYS regulars to submit some really unpleasant comments about the intrinsic nature of Islam, whilst propagating the conspiracy theory, that all muslims have some kind of co-ordinated agenda.

    A conspiracy theory plagarised directly from the anti-semitic propaganda of the 19th & 20th centuries.

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    Plagiarised? No that would infer that there was some sort of similar plot and I don't recall history telling us that the Jews perpetrated terrorist acts other than those of the Stern gang in the 1940's. The pogroms and other attrocities endured by the Jews have no relevance in this debate as generally Muslims, in the UK, are not dragged from their houses and killed by their next door neighbours.

    In fact the only plagiarism going on at the moment is just a continuation of anti-semitism that is rife in the leftist "humanitarian" brigade of western Europe and particuarily UK and ROI.

  • Comment number 23.

    6. At 09:28am on 11 Oct 2010, Horse wrote:
    What will the inquests achieve?

    I imagine that it will provide an excellent oppurtunity for a few of the HYS regulars to submit some really unpleasant comments about the intrinsic nature of Islam, whilst propagating the conspiracy theory, that all muslims have some kind of co-ordinated agenda.

    A conspiracy theory plagarised directly from the anti-semitic propaganda of the 19th & 20th centuries.


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    Yes its all propoganda and not true that "true believers", hold a belief that they have devine right to kill anyone who is not a "true believer", wether they be christian jew or muslim.
    I could post verse after verse from the Koran to demonstrate that this belief for many is a core part of the "faith", accept Islam or die.

    Conspiracy, what you mean like how coincidently at the time of the bombings the emergency services were holding a drill to see how they would respond to multiple attacks by terrorists in the same places where it happened, that conspiracy theory. hmmmmmm.
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    What will the inquest achieve, absolutely nothing. exactly the same as the iraq enquiry. Government inquests inevitably always point to what a damn fine job the government did in any given event.
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    11. At 09:42am on 11 Oct 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:

    My favourite conspiracy theory is that 9/11 was in fact orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad and the planes weren't actually commercial airliners, but US made anti-gravity powered drones. Well, this must be true because it says so on richplaner.net. So, I wonder if 7/7 were done in the same way? The reason why this (these??) acts were down, was all done to stir up hatred towards Islam.

    Oh,btw, I don't really believe these theories, just think the people who do are very, very sad people.

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    yes people do believe some completely freaky things like for example that there is an invisible man who lives in the sky, and that he has created a set of rules for us to follow and if we dont we are going to burn in hell forever and ever, but he loves us.

    yup so based on that believing that a government made of greedy people could do something that would cause an upsurge in arms sales its really really credible lol.

    worlds gone mad stop it i wanna get off


  • Comment number 24.

    How on earth are we supposed to know what the inquest will uncover or what, ultimately, it will achieve. What a ridiculous HYS! This should have been saved for when the inquest closed.

  • Comment number 25.

    This was of course a tragic event, 52 People died needless deaths as a result of a few deranged nutters.

    However, since then 14,000 people have been killed on the roads and 300,000 seriously injured mostly needlessly and as a result of a large number of deranged nutters driving badly.

    Their deaths are just as tragic.


    I assume I will be seeing the call for a public enquiry into road deaths so we can find some traffic police officer to blame for not stopping all these accidents!

    By obsessing on terrorist attacks we do half the terrorists job for them.

    Incidentally I was a serving officer in the Met throughout the IRA's main land bombing campaigns and have experience of close colleagues murdered and being very fortunate not to have been killed or seriously injured myself ,so hopefully I speak from some knowledge here.

  • Comment number 26.

    13. At 09:46am on 11 Oct 2010, Daisy Chained wrote:
    We do not ever seem to learn in this country.

    There needs to be a public enquiry into the events of July 2005. It should not be possible for our ruling classes to marginalise the public, the potential victims of terrorism, with this kind of irritation. It serves the victims, nor their families, any good at all.

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    This is an inquest into the deaths of the 52 people and it is required under law. It may lead to a public enquiry and it should be remembered that it was delayed to allow the friends of the murderers to be given a fair trial. If the inquest had taken place before the trial then all you muslim terrorist apologists would have been up in arms.
    What is it with all this "ruling classes" nonsense please get a life and a brain.

  • Comment number 27.

    It will probably conclude that information was available which, if acted upon sooner, may have hindered or prevented the commission of this atrocity. But those in possession of this information will not be held accountable because their hands will have been tied by a ridiculous attitude that has long prevailed in this country in order to appease the section of the population from which these perpetrators originated. We all know who I am talking about, but any poster on this forum mentioning them runs the risk of having their comment withdrawn for breaking house rules. But I will say it anyway. Until it is conceded, publicly and honestly, that white, RC or C of E female OAP's do not pose the same risk to our security as young, radicalised, males of Middle Eastern ethnic origin then resources and lives will continue to be wasted and attacks such as that which this inquest seeks to investigate will continue and no inquiry, not least after 5 years, will make any difference to our security whatsoever.

  • Comment number 28.

    What can it achieve? Will it, for example show the security services as bungling idiots? Will it show that these "British subjects" operate under a flag of convenience? Will it reassure the rest of us that the UK establishment has the whole thing under control?
    No is the answer to all the above.
    So, whats the point except to give a few more establishment freeloaders more expanses and some nice lunches?

  • Comment number 29.

    ]16. At 09:51am on 11 Oct 2010, Systematic wrote:

    '1.6 Billion muslims who have constantly called for our destruction'

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    Right, so the entire muslim population of the planet are constantly calling for our destruction?

    Presumably you have documentary evidence for this - all 1.6 billion pieces of it?

    Because otherwise its just another scaremongering slander designed to develop the 'them versus us' confrontational attitude that both the extreemist muslims and the West's own far right are so desperate to nurture.

  • Comment number 30.

    The usual cover up ; a massive report of thousands of pages meaning nothing and costing a fortune ; o the latest blame the emergency services for not acting quicker !!! what ? how about the government admitting by letting radical elements in the country and then not deporting them when caught its their fault for all of this ; When a we going to get street wise Mr Cameron please note again.

  • Comment number 31.

    Perhaps the Public will get the FULL story at last - and that this will help assuage the unimaginible grief of the Families of the innocents.

    IN MY PERSONAL OPINION:
    I assume we are 'keeping tags' on the Families of these 'Bombers'?
    If not, I'll be astounded - but then I'll also be astounded at the cost of such measures - BUT IT'S WORTH IT.
    The Families of such Killers surely have SOME responsibility - apart from the obvious shame...

    I particularly hope that the end Judgement is not 'tempered' by the heinous 'Human-Rights' and 'Politically-Correct' agenda so disgustingly prevalent in this Country.

    We want Justice for the victims - not MORE appeasement for the Guilty...

  • Comment number 32.

    They spent £200M on an enquiry for the deaths of 31 rioters in NI in the early 70's. Please stop complaining that any costs are prohibitive for an inquest into the deaths of 52 and severe injury of 700 innocent people.

  • Comment number 33.

    Could it all have been prevented?

    Possibly, possibly not, but the intellegence services are in a catch 22. If they take action they are wrong, if they don't take action they are wrong.

    Victims and relatives rarely get what they want from public enquiries so I doubt their questions will be answered.

  • Comment number 34.

    Another waste of public money, we know what happened MI5 messed up but still get paid, some terry terrorists blew them selves up along with some innocent people Easy.
    What another total waste of a HYS it has only just started.BBC get a grip.

  • Comment number 35.

    Nothing. Five years have passed. Conditions and systems have changed. Inquests like trials should be held within three months of the "event".

  • Comment number 36.

    It will uncover an enquiry that is a further waste of public money.

    Why do we have enquiries of things that happened 5 years ago? Why can't we have an enquiry while things are fresh, straight after the event?

    When are we going to have an enquiry in to the burning of Joan of Arc, or how Harold managed to get an arrow in the eye in 1066?

  • Comment number 37.

    No doubt members of the security services made mistakes which in hindsight they regret, but they were probably, in almost all cases, mistakes made honestly.

    Successive governments on the other hand, and notably the Blair government, have applied policies and made armed interventions in the Middle East, so obviously biased against Arabs, that they were bound to enrage their sympathisers. They must have been aware that by doing so they were risking a violent reaction, such as that on 5/5.

    The government presumably regarded the risk of 5/5, as a risk worth taking. I wonder if those injured and the relatives of those killed agree. Especially when the members of the government and their families are surrounded by such comprehensive security that they themselves are exposed to very little personal risk.

  • Comment number 38.

    #26 Graham

    I am well aware what an inquest is. I am well aware there is normally a jury at an inquest. The events occured over five years ago, and, as in the case of the death of Jean Charles de Menezes, there has been plenty of fudge and counter fudge from the authorities.

    The ruling class may serve you well but it did not serve me well when I was caught up in an IRA bombing, escaping with minor injuries. I remember only too well the vast differences between what happened to me at that time and what happened to politicians in a similar event in Brighton.

    So please keep your specious remarks to yourself.

  • Comment number 39.

    An attack on the London underground had been expected (after similar attacks in Japan) and of course there was an incident training exercise about a year previous to the attacks that I'm sure identified issues and helped save lives on the day. I think it is always important to learn from history. If this enquiry can identify mistakes and help us prevent them in the future then that has to be a good thing.

    This should not be an anti-Islamic thing and I personally think it is important for the Muslim community in Yorkshire to be involved in this enquiry to help understand the reasonings behind it and see if the extremists could have been identified from within the community at an earlier stage.

  • Comment number 40.

    "What will 7/7 Inquest achieve"? is the HYS question.

    As someone, like most people, who understands or is familiar with the word 'Inquest', but not the PROCESS of an Inquest - I would only hope that the family and friends of the victims of the terrorists on 7/7, may not be let down by the court.

    Personally, I think we should all be thankful not to be affected by such and Inquest.

    Furthermore, this HYS question has to be the most crass and insensitive ever ..... sorry I can't think of the right words ... only that it feels wrong, perhaps because it is wrong?



  • Comment number 41.

    Any inquest on the 7/7 bombings at this stage is bound to be rather futile. The bombers are dead and so are many of their victims. Obviously the bombers had accomplices and/or others "in the know" but it is too late for a safe conviction and we cannot turn back the clock. Let's hope that the security forces have learnt some valuable lessons which will help to prevent similar future attrocities from happening. One thing is certain - it takes devilish skill, time and misguided courage to organise bomb making and carry out such a terrorist attack. There must have been months of preparation involved.

  • Comment number 42.

    hopefully it will show the risks of the 'enemy within', the fifth columnists who live within our society but are intent on causing death and destruction to those that do not follow their warped creed?

    why is it still possible for people to go to pakistan for a 'holiday' at AQ training camps?

    our security services hands are tied by pc - cannot do anything for fear of 'oppressing' certain minority groups

  • Comment number 43.

    "7. At 09:30am on 11 Oct 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    It should report that all terrorists should be hanged."

    Not exactly a deterent for suicide bombers is it?

  • Comment number 44.

    I donit really consider this topic to be suitable for HYS..
    They are still a lot of families of victims awaiting an explaination ,without having to read the comments on HYS before hand

  • Comment number 45.

    I'm not sure I see the point of the enquiries.
    It won't bring back those that were murdered.
    We already know it was Muslim extremists that were responsible for the murders.
    The only thing that may come out is whether the intelligence or medical services could have done more. I am pretty sure both services are doing the best they can, so like I said; what's the point?

  • Comment number 46.

    What can you make of a country that takes over 5 years to hold an inquest into an atrocity like this. Unless those involved wrote detailed notes at the time, their memories will doubtless not be very accurate, especially in view of the grief they suffered at the time and the fact that they will now have to go over it all again. This is simply because the legal system the UK works for its own convenience and not for us, the citizens of the UK. You can see the same thing with the Potters Bar rail crash inquest, this took 8 years to get going from 2002 to 2010. It could take years to finish, racking up vast legal bills. No one will be found guilty or negligent in either case and the lawyers will be very well paid.
    This is just pathetic and it is no wonder that the UK is in permanent decline. We should not tolerate this.

  • Comment number 47.

    it happened, no matter if anything could have been done to stop it , it happened, lets move on. no point opening old wounds.

  • Comment number 48.


    What will 7/7 inquests achieve?

    1. A waste of tax payers' money at a time when the country is completely bankrupt and looking to implement massive public service cuts as well mass job losses.

    2. Tell us all exactly what we all know already. That a group of religious fanatics (high on delusional fantasies of world domination and recording themselves on video talking about how they are at war with the west) decided to impose their backward fascism by blowing themselves up and killing as many people as they can.


  • Comment number 49.

    Home Grown Terrorism is an extension of Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Youths in this country feel marginalised by the negative stereotyping of their race. It used be black children who received the brunt of hate and distrust, then it was the Muslims, next in line is Pakistanis and Asians. The Government and Media should be held responsible for their part in perpetuating and stirring up bad feelings.

  • Comment number 50.

    Lots of lawyers will have a bumper year in fees due to the holding of this lengthy inquest. Others such as taxis/restaurants will also benefit but I expect we will learn little new that will change current government policy to import extremists into the UK to achieve cultural change.

  • Comment number 51.

    Having allowed 5 yerars to pass this is now a complete waste of time (maybe the intention?).

    Austerity measures - stop this now please!

  • Comment number 52.

    43. At 10:52am on 11 Oct 2010, AndyC555 wrote:
    "7. At 09:30am on 11 Oct 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    It should report that all terrorists should be hanged."

    Not exactly a deterent for suicide bombers is it?

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    Perhaps death by proxy? A mother, father or sibbling?

  • Comment number 53.

    Nyabinghi Chants

    why do muslim 'youths' in this country feel marginalised but not their parents?

    you seem like an apologist for their terrorist acts?

    why are certain areas of Bradford police 'no go' zones because it may offend the 'majority'?

    why in these areas are multiple car drivers allowed to use one drivers licence? - and that not an urban myth but a police statistic

  • Comment number 54.

    #38 Daisy Chained

    Please do not hold up Johm Charles de Menezes as some sort of beacon for security service mistakes. The guy was working here illegaly and ran from the police as he thought he was going to be deported.

    You should try to get a work visa to work in Brazil, even when sponsored by a company, you need UK police "character statement". If we had these kind of strict rules then maybe foreign people would not get shot running away from the police a day after 52 people died.

  • Comment number 55.

    3. At 09:25am on 11 Oct 2010, doomjeffs wrote:
    Well if it uncovers the fact that we have a large number of potential muslim terrorists living freely amongst us then i'm sure that will be suppressed, other than that it's an opportunity to ring many more millions out of the overburdened tax payer.

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    Nothing like an open mind eh?

    Not getting at you doomjeffs. Yours just happened to be the first post that gave an opinion. This and most other posts highlight the fact that a lot of people make up their minds in whatever way, before or without inquests/enquiries. Do inquests/enquiries change people's already made up minds? Doubt it.

    What do they achieve - well they cost a lot and lawyers tend to make a few bob out of it. It also looks good I suppose.

  • Comment number 56.

    A proper inquest might shine a light on some of the murkier aspects of the events, such as;

    Why eye witness reports speak of the floor of carriages being torn upward, indicating a device beneath, rather then inside the carriages.

    Why, like on 9/11 and the day of the Madrid bombings, there was an exercise going on, simulating pretty much exactly what actually happened, at the very same locations, on the very same day - surely such a bizarre sequence of co-incidences should be investigated.

    How the 'bloke with the head bandage' in Tavistock square got so far up the street and medically treated before Daniel Obachike, one of the first survivors off the bus reached where he was sitting (search for his name for his account) - was bandage man blown 30m through the air, the wrong way for the blast, into the arms of a conveniently waiting first-aider in time for a head bandage to be applied before Obachike reached him ?

    Why the bus that exploded was re-routed at various points, it was the only bus that was re-routed that morning by radio and by men in dark suits driving dark cars who showed an ID of some sort to a street copper which made him defer to them, how come the only bus to get this special attention was also the one that exploded ?

    I have no good answers for these and many more questions, that's what I'd like the inquest to uncover.

  • Comment number 57.

    Firstly, why 3 years and then why 5 months with possibly millions of our money to tell us bombs caused the blasts?
    It will show that the secret services and the police etc do not communicate and so put lives at risk, with it being too late for 52!

  • Comment number 58.

    The first and foremost things that could be achieved are that the authorities should seriously take a look at just who we have let into this country over the years and how fast we can be rid of them. Because in this context. Are we not as much to blame for these atrocities as the perpetrators. We have sown the wind, now we reap the whirlwind.

  • Comment number 59.

    Absolutely nothing because the state is pandering to the Muslim vote

  • Comment number 60.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 61.

    52. At 11:08am on 11 Oct 2010, Graham wrote:

    43. At 10:52am on 11 Oct 2010, AndyC555 wrote:
    "7. At 09:30am on 11 Oct 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    It should report that all terrorists should be hanged."

    Not exactly a deterent for suicide bombers is it?

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    Perhaps death by proxy? A mother, father or sibbling?

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    The best punishment must surely to put them to work for us. Instead of killing us they end up supporting their enemy.

  • Comment number 62.

    7. At 09:30am on 11 Oct 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    It should report that all terrorists should be hanged.

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    Brilliant! the 7th post of this important subject straight from the front page of the daily fail.

    Can you explain to me how you are going to hang a suicide bomber?

    You cannot hang someone for planning to do it, or failing in the attempt.

    Only if it causes death, and that means the bomber dies as well, or didn't you think of that?





  • Comment number 63.

    4. At 09:25am on 11 Oct 2010, ian cheese wrote:
    "It will achieve nothing except reopening an old wound & bringing back painful memories."

    Ooo, I don't know: I suspect all the lawyers, freeloaders and flunkeys will do alright out of it. . .

  • Comment number 64.

    What will the 7/7 inquests achieve?

    Another collosal waste of public money. What this country's good at, in its inquiries.

  • Comment number 65.

    22. At 10:03am on 11 Oct 2010, Graham wrote:

    In fact the only plagiarism going on at the moment is just a continuation of anti-semitism that is rife in the leftist "humanitarian" brigade of western Europe and particuarily UK and ROI.

    = = = = = = = =
    Hmmm....

    I am a Jew - a leftist - and a "humanitarian! - Now in all honesty I haven't really seen "rife" anti-Semitism at all since I came to this country during WW2.

    In the country I "left" anti-Semitism WAS rife but not here.

    Would you care to expand??

  • Comment number 66.

    The same as all the other enquiries, Nothing.

  • Comment number 67.

    >We already know it was Muslim extremists that were responsible for the murders.
    I believe if you study deeper than the mainstream media, you'll find that is by no means known.

  • Comment number 68.

    >it happened, no matter if anything could have been done to stop it , it happened, lets move on. no point opening old wounds.
    Gosh, I'm glad you're not the coroner at my inquest !!!

  • Comment number 69.

    >> 52. At 11:08am on 11 Oct 2010, Graham wrote:
    43. At 10:52am on 11 Oct 2010, AndyC555 wrote:
    "7. At 09:30am on 11 Oct 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    It should report that all terrorists should be hanged."

    Not exactly a deterent for suicide bombers is it?

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    >>Perhaps death by proxy? A mother, father or sibbling?

    Truth is there is no deterrent. The Israelis who have faced far more suicide bombings than us tried destroying the homes of suicide bombers after they had committed their murderous bombings but it didn't prevent further suicide bombings and the collective punishment (which incidentally is illegal in International Law) actually probably created more anger and potential suicide bombers.

    The only sensible way to stop terrorism is to remove the causes of conflict. It sounds simple but it's amazing how many people are prepared to kill or die for their cause, but aren't prepared to make concessions.

  • Comment number 70.

    59. At 11:24am on 11 Oct 2010, Bob wrote:
    Absolutely nothing because the state is pandering to the Muslim vote

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    Yes, that 3.5 percent really makes all the difference on the old swingometer....

  • Comment number 71.

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  • Comment number 72.

    I don't think there's much chance of it, but I for one would be glad if this inquest resulted in a complete reappraisal of the role of coroners. They seem to have become a law unto themselves.
    Coroners should confine themselves to establishing the simple facts of who died, when, where and how. This could usually be accomplished within a few weeks of a death.
    Everything else should be left to the CPS and, where appropriate, the criminal courts. If a wider enquiry is required, perhaps to "learn lessons" from major events, then on very few occassions (of which this may well be one) there should be a formal public enquiry.
    Coroners have got much too big for their boots, expanding their role into all sorts of areas (such as defence procurement policies for example) which really have nothing to do with them and fall well outside their area of expertise. The demarcations between inquests, trials, and public enquiries have become increasingly blurred. It's time to crystallise the differences.

  • Comment number 73.

    I think that this inquiry has been delayed to cover this whole affair up. It is obvious that our security forces knew these people where up to something yet they failed to act. Why? I suggest it was due to racial discrimination laws and the human rights act. If the security forces had arrested these people without absolutely cast iron evidence, which is very difficult to obtain, the lawyers would have had a field day shouting race and human rights from the roof top. Don't blame the security forces, blame our politians for enacting such ridiculous legislation.

  • Comment number 74.

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  • Comment number 75.

    It will be very British, Pravda type whitewash.
    There will be no mention of Islam. The Metropolitan police will quote 'operational security' as a reason for taking limited part in the enquiry. The government will put pressure on behind the scenes to prevent an anti- Islamic backlash. The Muslims will seek to pressure M.P's to put a positive spin on the matter. The relatives of the dead and injured will be left angry at what was not said in the name of political correctness and sensitivity to fears in the Pakistani community. MI5 will take as little part as is necessary, again quoting 'operatonal sensitivity'. The lunatics in the English(Welsh, Scottish) Defence League will make capital of the situation as they publicise the anomilies in the evidence.
    BBC News (especially News 24)will tailor its news coverage so that Islam is not mentioned. They will call them 'suicide bombers' without telling the complete story,or reasons that British born Pakistanis blew up ordinary people of all nations and all faiths, thus giving the extremists on the right wing an excuse to point the finger at the Muslim community.
    BBC news editors do not seem to realise the damage they do by telling half truths, like Pravda did in the USSR.
    It will leave a bad taste and suggestions of a 'fix' in the mouths of the British public.

  • Comment number 76.

    One thing it will demonstrate very clearly is just how pointless and unproductive all this CCTV surveillance really is. We shall all be thrilled to learn where all the bombers parked their cars, which trains they caught, how they got to their targets, maybe even where and when they went to the lavatory, but all this mass of information was and remains a total, complete irrelevance, because it did not prevent one single death. NO CCTV carea ever "protected" anyone, and having detailed itineraries and the last journeys of the suicide bombers is really just information-gathering for the sake of it. The information did not and will not help or protect the public.

  • Comment number 77.

    "Who and what terrorist groups? were behind the murder of innocent people in the U.K. What the police and secret services' and the Government ? can do to stop this happening again. We need new laws to deport all the familys and people who aid them, in the U.K. and jail for life for treason, all the bombers from abroad or home grown.

  • Comment number 78.

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  • Comment number 79.

    >> 54. At 11:17am on 11 Oct 2010, Graham wrote:
    >>#38 Daisy Chained

    >>Please do not hold up Johm Charles de Menezes as some sort of beacon >>for security service mistakes. The guy was working here illegaly and >>ran from the police as he thought he was going to be deported.

    >>You should try to get a work visa to work in Brazil, even when >>sponsored by a company, you need UK police "character statement". If >>we had these kind of strict rules then maybe foreign people would not >>get shot running away from the police a day after 52 people died.

    Please please please do some research on this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

    I had a similar argument with someone the other day who had read the tabloid papers on the day and not actually bothered to find out the truth. Menezes was here legally and did not run from the police. He walked through the ticket barriers and stopped to pick up a Metro! It frustrates the hell out of me that people read the tabloid newspapers and don't know the truth! Read the findings of the inquest to get the truth and don't be so keen to believe the anti-immigrant tabloids.

  • Comment number 80.

    The inquest will find someone to blame.

  • Comment number 81.

    chris post 56 - expert in ordnance are you?

    no, of course not just another loon with conspiracy theories ?

    so it was not homemade explosives but 'shaped charges' using military grade explosives?

  • Comment number 82.

    If the inquest brings some benefit to the relatives of those who died and to the survivors, then all well and good. It's very hard to imagine what they feel, but as best I can imagine it I'm afraid I can't see any such benefit at all.

    Other than that, another HUGE waste of time and taxpayers money, like the Saville Enquiry in NI and many others.

  • Comment number 83.

    post 60 by the 'Horse'

    you know as well as i do which areas are 'no go'

    but i'll not give you the satisfaction of a chance to produce a counter 'argument' - as i guess you live there?

  • Comment number 84.

    65. At 11:28am on 11 Oct 2010, RichardGrey wrote:
    22. At 10:03am on 11 Oct 2010, Graham wrote:

    In fact the only plagiarism going on at the moment is just a continuation of anti-semitism that is rife in the leftist "humanitarian" brigade of western Europe and particuarily UK and ROI.

    = = = = = = = =
    Hmmm....

    I am a Jew - a leftist - and a "humanitarian! - Now in all honesty I haven't really seen "rife" anti-Semitism at all since I came to this country during WW2.

    In the country I "left" anti-Semitism WAS rife but not here.

    Would you care to expand??


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    Richard - when I used anti-semitic I included the deluded anti-Israeli mob, mostly crypto-marxists, with whom you are more than familiar. Open your eyes; Palestine, "peace flotilas" and Gaza mean nothing to these people, they are simply continuing the pogroms and slaughter perpetrated by their nazi and soviet commrades of yesteryear. If you cannot see this then, using a well known leftist tactic, as "a Jew" you should be ashamed.

  • Comment number 85.

    Hopefully, it will have the effect of changing some people's minds about the nature of Islam, and how the people who commit these atrocities do not represent the majority of Muslims. However, judging from some of the comments here, I doubt it.

  • Comment number 86.

    After 5 years its pretty obvious that the people were killed by terrorists and no amount of public inquiries will change that.It is hard for anyone who was affected by this outrage but I cannot see how reliving the whole nightmare in an inquiry can serve the interests of anyone but I do believe after 5 years the chances of another attack on this scale is virtually impossible.To counter terrorists we should give more support to our intelligence services as its only through up to date information that we keep ahead of loonies who would kill us all.

  • Comment number 87.

    Another massive payday for all the lawyers involved.

  • Comment number 88.

    16. Systematic wrote:

    The comments people make about islam are surely not all made up and are used from what we've observed from the 1.6 Billion muslims who have constantly called for our destruction

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    You probably don't even know a single Muslim, personally or otherwise, or at best know maybe 5 or 10 and yet claim to have "observed" all 1.6 billion Muslims somehow conspiring alltogather to destroy the Western civilization.

  • Comment number 89.

    At 09:30am on 11 Oct 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    "It should report that all terrorists should be hanged."

    And how would you hang a SUICIDE bomber?

  • Comment number 90.

    "65. At 11:28am on 11 Oct 2010, RichardGrey wrote:
    22. At 10:03am on 11 Oct 2010, Graham wrote:

    In fact the only plagiarism going on at the moment is just a continuation of anti-semitism that is rife in the leftist "humanitarian" brigade of western Europe and particuarily UK and ROI.

    = = = = = = = =
    Hmmm....

    I am a Jew - a leftist - and a "humanitarian! - Now in all honesty I haven't really seen "rife" anti-Semitism at all since I came to this country during WW2.

    In the country I "left" anti-Semitism WAS rife but not here.

    Would you care to expand??"

    Sadly Graham is unable to expand because the Daily Mail rarely goes into detail.

  • Comment number 91.

    78. At 11:51am on 11 Oct 2010, Nyabinghi Chants wrote:
    Locust
    The BBC is a dangerous place for BNP Propogandists such as you to preach repugnant race-hate.

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    Wrong it is a place that we allow anti-British and anti-western terrorist apologists like you to air your views. I can't think of anyone on HYS that has at any time aligned themselves to Nick and his nazi, KKK supporting mates. It is people like you that stoke racial hatred.

    I am trying to think what name your original posts were made under but I do recall that they always mentioned the BNP then wrote nonsense about hundreds of thousands of Indians and Pakistanis dying for "us" in WWII. Your gaff has been blown.

  • Comment number 92.

    The purpose of the inquest is to answer four questions:
    - Identity of the deceased;
    - Place of death
    - Time of death
    - How the deceased came by his death
    Evidence must be solely for the purpose of answering these questions and no other evidence is admitted. It is not for the inquest to ascertain "how the deceased died" or "in what broad circumstances", but "how the deceased came by his death", a more limited question.
    Moreover, it is not the purpose of the inquest to determine, or appear to determine, criminal or civil liability, to apportion guilt or attribute blame. For example, where a prisoner hanged himself in a cell, he came by his death by hanging and it was not the role of the inquest to enquire into the broader circumstances such as the alleged neglect of the prison authorities that might have contributed to his state of mind or given him the opportunity.
    However, the inquest should set out as many of the facts as the public interest requires.
    We know the answers to all 4 main questions; it's the setting out of facts which poses the biggest question. The inquest could be kept very short just stating that facts. However the public (Read media, conspiracy theory nuts and those wanting someone to sue) will feel cheated if every single part of the intelligence and security services is not examined under a microscope.

  • Comment number 93.

    waste of time and money! thats what it will achieve a bunch of angry muslims who have been brainwashed set of some bombs its a pretty open and shut case you cant stop every terrorist attack we should just be glad they havent got a brain i could come up with 100 of better ways and targets than what they do!

  • Comment number 94.

    No-one should be blamed for these appalling crimes except the terrorists themselves, and those who supported them. This inquest should not seek to blame MI5 or the Metropolitan Police for failing to apprehend the terrorists before 7/7. MI5 and the Police have to work against a Criminal Justice System which bends over backwards to protect the rights of suspected terrorists over ordinary people. How many terrorists have been arrested in this country and then later released? If you want to point a finger at someone, then point it at the left-wing do-gooder lawyers at the CPS and organisations such as "Liberty" who put our country at risk.

    (I note wryly that the BBC still cannot bring themselves to call these murderers "terrorists". I was hoping the new coalition might have been starting to have a positive influence on the BBC by now.)

  • Comment number 95.

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  • Comment number 96.

    Nothing will be 'uncovered' that the government does not want you to know.
    We all know that we are kept in the dark when it is inconvenient or damning for the truth to be reveled.
    It how all states work...not for you and me but for the 'Establishment'.

  • Comment number 97.

    The inquest absolutely must cover the context that these atrocities were timed to happen exactly during the G8 summit in Scotland where Blair had spent a hundred+ million pounds protecting himself and other leaders - especially against legal protestors. This was a clear message to say that provocative 'leaders' like Blair can protect themselves but the rest of us will get it instead.

  • Comment number 98.

    #79. RoyaltyinTheChampionship

    Go back into Wikipedia next week as I shall edit it to show an entirely different scenario.

    Technicalities of him entering the UK from Ireland only show that there are holes in the immigration systems of the ROI and from the rules allowing anyone entering there to come here. He was in the UK with the purposes of gaining employment there can be no argument. Illegal or not the security forces were facing someone that could have detonated another bomb, tough luck for him.

  • Comment number 99.

    Nothing will be uncovered.
    Lets face it, if the police did anything wrong they will never admit it, never be charged, never be fined, and will just moan (as the Met guy is now) that having a pot shot at their useless incompetance is just too easy.
    If anyone else failed then they aren't supposed to exist anyway :)

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