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Should EU take legal action over Roma expulsion?

15:49 UK time, Wednesday, 29 September 2010

The European Commission has told France that it faces legal action over its expulsion of Roma (Gypsy) migrants if it fails to adopt EU rules on freedom of movement by 15 October. Do you agree with this decision?

More than 1,000 people have been deported to Romania and Bulgaria since late July and the expulsions have led to a serious row between Brussels and Paris.

European Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding says France has not respected a 2004 EU directive on freedom of movement. President Sarkozy claims that the illegal Roma camps threaten to become shanty towns.

Should the EU take disciplinary action against France? Are there better ways to tackle the issue?

Thank you for your comments. This debate is now closed.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    The EU should keep it's nose out of nation's business. What France did, does and will do, is a matter for the French people and the French people alone.

  • Comment number 2.

    The EU should remember that the majority have got rights as well. It's tricky situation when unemployed people go to a country with high unemployment amongst it's own people and previous immigrants. Nobody is going to end up worse off than they were before they emigrated if they go home. The poor people involved tried their luck, and couldn't make a go of it. That's life. It would be nice to think that there was a place everyone could be happy in their own lifestyle.

  • Comment number 3.

    No the EU shouldn't take action. as usual it's the French who are the first to say "come to our country & contribute if you wish but if you don't respect our country you will be told (almost politely!) to leave".
    The Majority of Roma add nothing at all to France's economy or culture & treat where they stay as a rubbish tip to be ripped apart & then left good for nothing. For people who think this is racist neither I nor the French are suggesting ALL the Roma should go, it is unfortunate that the actions of the many are spoiling things for the few, ask anyone who's ever volunteered with Roma charities.

  • Comment number 4.

    Yes of course the EU should take action it is against EU legislation if every country only followed the parts they wanted to the EU would soon collapse

  • Comment number 5.

    France should simply encourage &/or expel the Romas to Ms. Reding's country-Luxembourg? & also to Italy as Mr. Baraasso is so mindful of hurt sensitivities. There are no laws against that!

    These EU Commissioners are past their sell-by date & certainly not backed by their own citizens.

  • Comment number 6.

    The EU is correct to take action, yes.

  • Comment number 7.

    Are they actually migrants? Do they come to France to work and pay tax? Will they contribute anything to French society? Or will they just set up camp on whatever public land they chose, indulge extensively in petty crime, harass the locals and then leave the land a mess for the local people to clean up?

    The town where I grew up in NE england was a favourite stopping point for Gypsies and this is precisely how they behaved.

    I would ask our own government to emulate the French in this matter. Stick up for the working, tax paying citizens for once.

  • Comment number 8.

    The moot point is whether EU can afford to expel France from EU over is stand on 'Roma' issue ?

  • Comment number 9.

    The EU should not interfere. The decision is one for France, and I hope they stick to it. What do overpaid bureaucrats in Brussels understand about this matter? It's long past time the EU was told to mind its own business - which should be about co-operation on trade and the environment. The irony is that France has been the biggest advocate of a powerful EU; maybe they'll now see the error of that.

  • Comment number 10.

    Countries should be able to say who comes into their country. This and the Brussels protests signal an end to the EU,

  • Comment number 11.

    Let the French decide who they want in their country, not people from outside France. The EU commission is so out of touch with the populations of the member states it has no credibility. Its not their business who France lets in or keeps out.

  • Comment number 12.

    Yes.
    They should be heavily censored for the expulsion of the Romas from France.
    These people are EU citizens with every right to settle wherever they want in the EU.
    As far as I understand EU law, people can be expelled from member states but only on an individual basis only and that it is illegal to expel a group such as the Romas en masse.
    It is so reminiscent of events that took place in Europe against other groups in the not too distant and should be condemned by ALL decent people.

  • Comment number 13.

    If France is found in the wrong.
    what type of punishment could the EU set down against France that the French would take notice of?
    the EU does not have a lot enforcement power that I can see.

  • Comment number 14.

    And People complain that Britain is surrendering too much sovereignty to the EU! Isn't it the right of a sovereign nation to decide for itself who it does and does not want within its borders? The Roma are not being deported back to gas chambers or forced labour - it is just not the same as what happened to the Jews and Gypsies during the Holocaust. The ROma and Sinti have no jobs and no legal means of supporting themselves in France so they should not be there. The fact that they are being deported as a group is irrelevant - that's exactly how they arrived, in a group, and have since being illegally encamped, causing trouble in the areas thay have beset. It may not be pleasant to have to do, but surely the French have a right still to say what happens in their own territory?

  • Comment number 15.

    France was the first Western nation to proclaim freedoms and democracy dating back to 1789. Since then, Red Indian population in North America had been preserved by law as First Nation citizens, without, of course, national boundaries be them in Canada, USA or Mexico. It is a shame on France to export freedom values and deport unwanted humans.

  • Comment number 16.

    As I understood it, those expelled were not working and were living in illegal camps.

    If, as has been reported, they have committed crime, what about the rights of the French? Do rights not exist for the residents of any particular country, just for everyone else?

    Perhaps this will bring about the demise of the oh-so-cosy EU relationship which so many people didn't want.

  • Comment number 17.

    Judging by the following comment,

    "leaked memo from the French interior ministry infuriated Ms Reding earlier this month.

    It showed the authorities had been instructed to target Roma camps, rather than deal with migrants on a case-by-case basis, as the French migration minister and the minister for Europe had assured the European Commission. "

    it appears France is not acting according to EU regulations, the same EU France are part of. Looks to me Sarkozy is just doing this to pander to the xenophobic rightwing electorate to salvage some of his lost credibility and popularity.

    It is also quite shocking that people can be expelled without proper evidence to back up their decision. Now, i am not especially keen on the Roma i have encountered personally, but that's not a reason to just kick them out of the country. It should be assessed case by case according to law, and unless criminal offenses are proven, they should not be expelled

  • Comment number 18.

    Just a pity Britain wouldn't show the same degree of resolution as the French , and deport foreign criminals , illegal immigrants and other undesirables without regard for the stupid rulings of the surrender monkeys of the EU. Good luck to France , I hope they stick to their guns. Time is long past when someone should stand up to the unelected rule makers of the EU. When a sovereign country cannot decide who resides within it's borders, the world has gone mad.

  • Comment number 19.

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    The EU should keep it's nose out of nation's business. What France did, does and will do, is a matter for the French people and the French people alone.
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    no, you're incorrect here. France is one of the founders of the EU and its overarching laws and therefore they should abide by these very laws.

  • Comment number 20.

    Countries like the UK would not be regarded as an instant meal-ticket if they were to act in the way that France has done.

    Well done France, for sticking to your principles and insisting that anybody who wishes to be a citizen of that country, must contribute towards it rather than living off the back of it.

  • Comment number 21.

    Yes they should take legal action. France signed up to the relevant EU laws allowing free movement, and they pick and choose which parts to abide by.

    Having said that, if it was Britain doing it I would probably support it - but that's only because it's galling (or Gauling) that we seem to immediately comply with every EU edict, whereas France flout everything they can't be bothered with.

  • Comment number 22.

    the french are doing what we should be doing: standing up to the eu. i hope they pull out, then we have an example to follow.

  • Comment number 23.

    What the blazes has it got to do with the EU? Oh right - no member nation enjoys sovereignty once they are enclosed within the EU integument. They, in this case the French, bow to the unelected juntas of the PC elitist phonies in Brussels, or they get...what??? Fined, arrested, thrown out??

    Shame, shame, shame on those who are attempting to equate the actions of anti-semitic authorities during WWII when law abiding French citizens were deported to their deaths with the very natural desire of the French to rid their country of troublesome, petty criminal foreigners,whose encampments are filthy and spread disease, who steal and vandalize and who have absolutely NO right to live permanently in France, or anywhere but their own countries - i.e. Romania,Bulgaria etc.

    There are no cattle trucks involved - these Roma are being flown back to their homes, with Euros 300 a piece for their trouble.

    It is a disgrace that these PC nutjobs are attempting to foil the efforts of nation states and impose their own POV on the people of France and to utilize spurious comparisons with the Holocaust in order to achieve their ambition of the destruction of individual European cultures and traditions . All they do is cheapen and mock the memory of the millions killed inth Holocaust who were TRUE victims of uncontrolled political regimes.

    SHAME ON FRANCE'S CRITICS!!

  • Comment number 24.

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  • Comment number 25.

    If France wanted laws protecting foreign gypsies don't you think they would have implemented them into it's own legal system? This another instance of unwanted laws created by unelected foreigners who should not even be in the position they are in.

  • Comment number 26.

    The EU is the entire problem.Did the French or us the long suffering British get a vote to let Roumania or any of the other poverty stricken Eastern European nations in of course not.The EU is just a charter for cheap labour and problems to appear from nations we have nothing in common with.Give us a vote on membership,I am 46 years old,where is the democracy in any of this.The EU is just one huge gravy train,unelected and undemocratic who behaves more and more like a fascist dictatorship.Europe is bankrupt yet budget goes up 6%,protests in the streets today,just ignore it its not their problem.
    Paid my car tax today,not that much of that money will be spent on our roads,however due to dual taxation paying for the EU,take a trip to Eastern Europe and see the lovely new motorways being built with your money,new factories being built to steal your jobs.Europe is one big bankrupt joke.Wake up Britain not one year since membership in 1973 has Britain got back 1 penny more than its paid in.Thats 37 years of paying for nothing,a national disgrace.

  • Comment number 27.

    I agree with what France is doing - expelling the gypsies. My only fear is that they will end up in the U.K., where I live. We are a 'soft touch' when it comes to dealing with undesirables! Why does nobody like gypsies living near to them? Well, the answer is quite simple. Wherever they go there is trouble. Thieving, leaving a mess, not paying taxes, feral children running amok. If anyone takes a strong line with these people they are accused of persecuting them. Why don't they just go back to their own country where they came from. Again ,the answer is simple. Their own country doesn't want them back! Full marks to France for their actions - but I hope that the U.K. Government takes a similar tough stance.

  • Comment number 28.

    I don't think France should be punished for this. They are upholding their own laws, it is technically their land. If it were the case they could be punished for this, then a lot more people will just abuse that until there's nothing left. And then the next country, and the next....

  • Comment number 29.

    It is questions like these that reinforces my objections to the political union called the EU. We should leave now.

    We are either in a Political Union and all obey the Laws - Or we are not.

    It appears the UK obeys the laws and suffers from unfettered uncontrolled migration - whereas France and Germany particularly do not obey those laws they dislike.

    So we should leave.

  • Comment number 30.

    Apparently In Denmark first they were accused of criminality and them deported using an administrative procedure by the Police, all done without being brought to a court of law or having the possibility of defending themselves individually from the accusations. Shameful at so many levels.

    http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article1033647.ece
    http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article1030464.ece
    http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article1011653.ece
    http://jp.dk/uknews/article2143126.ece
    http://cphpost.dk/news/137-eu-news/49638-expelled-romani-to-sue-state-.html

  • Comment number 31.

    If the Roma are half as bad as the French and some of those on this board are making out, why have they not been arrested, charged and imprisoned by the French?

    If you break the law on foreign soil you are subject to the law of that country.

    If the behaviour of the Roma is really so bad then they need to be punished and shown that such behaviour is unacceptable, not treated as special cases subject to different laws.

    As far as I can tell the French are ducking their responsibilties and actively enabling these groups to carry on living in a manner which the majority of Europeans find unacceptable.

    Expelling them from your country just moves the problem on somewhere else,it does nothing to break the cycle of criminality.

    Finally, how are those on here who support the French actions going to feel if large numbers of Roma start turning up here so that our Government and our taxes are then needed to try to resolve the problem.

    The French need to take responsibility for French problems and not just foist them onto their neighbours.

  • Comment number 32.

    The EU should mind its own business. Who France wants or doesn't want in its own country is no one's concern but France's. It's just a pity the politicians in this country don't show a bit of backbone follow France's example. The EU is an evil organisation & any self respecting country should withdraw from it immediately.

  • Comment number 33.

    Surely the whole point of the EU is to interfere in national affairs. isn't that what folk who voted to be part of the EU and for greater integration voted for ?

  • Comment number 34.

    ILLEGAL immifrants in ILLEGAL camps are being deported.

    Where is the EU's problem?

  • Comment number 35.

    To all those do-gooders who are saying how terrible it is, wait until your house is broken into by these people (i know it was four Roma lads because they were caught 2 hours later trying to break into another house just round the corner) and then see how kindly you look upon them. This is exactly happened to us in broad daylight during a Sunday afternoon a few weeks ago.

    I would support a toughening of the rules, if you cannot respect and abide by the laws of your chosen host nation, that nation should be perfectly within their rights to kick these people out back to their own country so they can spend their own tax payers money on controlling their criminals.

    In my opinion the French should be applauded for their actions, it is a good example to other nations (such as the UK and Ireland) who appear to favour the sensibilities of a bunch of freeloaders over the working men and women of the country.

  • Comment number 36.

    SURELY - the right of freedom of movement is predicated on the ability to support yourself. From the UK Border Agency site: As an EEA or Swiss national, you have the right to live and work in the UK (known as the 'right of residence') if you can support yourself and your family in the UK without becoming an unreasonable burden on public funds. So surely that can be interpreted as having sufficient funds or an income that covers healthcare, education, etc.

    So in this instance I support France (I won't make a habit of it, I promise) and wish our own government took an equally hard stance.

  • Comment number 37.

    "
    4. At 4:34pm on 29 Sep 2010, RICH588 wrote:

    Yes of course the EU should take action it is against EU legislation if every country only followed the parts they wanted to the EU would soon collapse
    "

    Lets hope this is the result then. Vive La France!!!

  • Comment number 38.

    France should be left alone to do what"s best for their country,who passes these stupid laws,GB have left to many people into the country allready,our immigration laws are laughable,if these people are allowed to stay in France how long will it be before they jump on a ferry and will be welcomed here with open arms.It"s about time this country stood up and stop all these immigrants coming in here and getting free housing and other benefits denied recently to a british soldier who fought and almost died for this country.

  • Comment number 39.

    The big difference here is that the French Government, love them or loathe them, are elected and answerable to their citizens. Ms Reding and the rest of the unholy EU cabal are not.

  • Comment number 40.

    What I suspect is that the majority of people in the original EU are not in support of unlimited freedom of movement and were not in support of the expansion of the EU. A version of the constitution was rammed through against the views of the majority and despite the political manipulation there is no spirit of support by the people of the EU for this establishment and its executive. The people of France may be asking the same question that many people in the UK have asked. Is this any longer our home and our country? Why are the rights of the majority so consistently abused to advantage the minority? Who has decided that taxpayers money will be spent to support mass internal immigration? Certainly not the people and this is the problem that these decisions are being made by an establishment that has no understanding that people are tribal and feel no kind of loyalty to the EU or its sham democracy. Whatever the morality of all this the people feel cheated and are against the EU establishment and are in support of France.

  • Comment number 41.

    1. At 4:27pm on 29 Sep 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    The EU should keep it's nose out of nation's business. What France did, does and will do, is a matter for the French people and the French people alone.
    -*-
    Bravely spoken!
    You may be unaware, but...did you know that France is an integral part of the EU (founding member in fact).
    Moreover, she does often stick her nose in EU affairs that do affect other nations.
    It’s simply a case of having one’s cake and eating.

  • Comment number 42.

    Apparently In Denmark the government sends the police to accuse the Roma EU citizens of some crime. Then that seems to allow the Danish Police to expel the Roma EU citizens without having to take them to court or allow them to defend themselves individually from the accusations, using a simple administrative procedure. Obviously there was never really an intention to follow up on the accusations, they are just a pretext so that the administrative procedure can be applied. Nor there was ever an intention for the Roma EU citizens to be brought to a court of law, first because the court would be obliged to use EU law, so they could not be expelled, second because someone might be innocent of what they are being accused of, and again could not be expelled. Lets hope the EU Commission is also watching to Denmark.

  • Comment number 43.

    The complacency among the anti-EU crowd is staggering. The Commission is standing up for your rights! Erode them at your peril.

    I wonder at the unhappy childhoods and failed life-choices and careers of so many posters when I see their miserable, angry, embittered views.

    I'm really glad that the EC is taking France and other member states to task regarding their wilful and discriminatory actions apparently breaking EU law. Strong action by the EC ensures we don't go back to the dark days.


    PS France has stopped repatriating Roma in the ways they were only a few short days ago - so the EC has already achieved their aim and France has capitulated.

  • Comment number 44.

    Whatever happens the French will totally ignore the EU's view and do what they like - as always.

    Only we mugs in the UK kowtow to Brussels because we have consistently weak government.

    Look forward to the reopening of Sangat for the Romas UK-bound.

  • Comment number 45.

    29. At 5:18pm on 29 Sep 2010, RichardGrey wrote:
    It is questions like these that reinforces my objections to the political union called the EU. We should leave now.

    We are either in a Political Union and all obey the Laws - Or we are not.

    It appears the UK obeys the laws and suffers from unfettered uncontrolled migration - whereas France and Germany particularly do not obey those laws they dislike.

    So we should leave.

    ----------------------------------

    SPOT ON RICHARD!

  • Comment number 46.

    This is pointless, France, Germany and Britian can dictacte policy either way. In effect, France is the reason why the EU has powers and so for the rest of European countries. The EU, if it turns on France could end up destroying the EU and its limited powers.

    To the EU and its leaders, we the people and the countries of the EU run you, give you money, threaten us and we pull out thus you lose lots of money and any powers that can in effect call you a policy maker. Because you definitely have no executive powers to interfere with national politics. Remember we made you, we can break you.

  • Comment number 47.

    Oh and by the way,this is the least of the EU,s problems.If they are there today and look out of their windows they will see revolution is on the streets, so the future for the EU appears quite distinctly short.Why not pass a few more laws and ban talk or thought of anything other than a United Europe,the way its going it will be united,in poverty.The "Roma" is a symptom of how much of a mess Europe is in,why not let them live in a park in Strasbourg.

  • Comment number 48.

    Comment 26
    >Did the French or us the long suffering British get a vote to let Roumania or any of the other poverty stricken Eastern European nations in of course not.
    > Er yes we did. ROFL


    >Give us a vote on membership,I am 46 years old,where is the democracy in any of this.
    > Er we've been through that and, um, you get a vote every few years like me. All unelected political positions are scrutinised by the elected legislature. ROFL


    >The EU is just one huge gravy train,unelected and undemocratic who behaves more and more like a fascist dictatorship.
    > Er, no, you've misunderstood. It's France that has been caught red-handed acting the fascist. EU is standing up against this. ROFL.


    >Wake up Britain not one year since membership in 1973 has Britain got back 1 penny more than its paid in.Thats 37 years of paying for nothing,a national disgrace.
    > Er, so the peace, economic and social dividends mean nothing to you? ROFL.


    Staggering ignorance - I'm ashamed that you have a vote.

  • Comment number 49.

    France does what France does. They like to protect their national identity. Wish we had some backbone to protect our heritage in terms of faith and way of life!

    As someone who has worked with the Roma and Romanian people generally in Romania what Europe has is more attractive than what they had (pure and simple). Can't blame anyone for wanting to improve their lot!

  • Comment number 50.

    Regardless of the rights or wrongs, if a country breaches EU law then action should be taken. Everyone jumps up and down when they think Britain has breached the law after all.

  • Comment number 51.

    Two things wrong with the French expulsion of the Roma Gypsies are tat, wrong target and wrong tactic.

    One thing that delayed the inclusion of Romania within the EU was the real threat of organized crime, at that time it was prevalent and even the ruling parties were suspected of belonging to rings. (I don't know if this is still the case). However, on assurances that the Judiciary etc. would clamp down on criminals, the country was allowed in.

    There has recently been a spate of organized begging in Geneva, (for instance), and the expansion of camps. The "beggars" chosen for their disabilities by a gang, who bussed them in and then who took the money collected, were regularly arrested by the Geneva police, and then let go again (The beggars - the visible part - difficult to find the gang leaders). So they started over yet again. NOW the Geneva police do NOT arrest the beggars. They fine the - people who give. So people have stopped giving. The beggar (gangs) have gone. It is no longer worth their while.

    That is what I meant by saying "wrong tactic".
    The "wrong group" refers to thousands (someone mentioned 10'000 in Europe) of professional beggars, (And thieves - the crime rate has gone up in the Swiss areas next to the French Borders), who are the problem and not the "original" Rom. But how do you tell them apart?

    As this is one of the results that were feared when Romania joined the EU, it is hypocritical, to say the least, to condemn the France now - in isolation.

  • Comment number 52.

    should the EU take action
    absolutely not
    they should keep their nose out of it
    after all they are just market managers
    and not the elected rulers of the country

  • Comment number 53.

    why can we not require a minimum behaviour level of all migrants, which, if they refuse to adhere to they can be repatriated. thieving, burgling, begging stealing, and generally causing havok always seems to follow these people around. if they can't behave in a fairly civilised manner, then why should they get any money thrown at them. they never seem to work or pay tax. this is meant to be the 21st century, and i, plus a hell of a lot more of people (at least those i talk to and more than 60% much nearer 90%) think that this kind of lifestyle has no place in a useful world. there is much more to discover than savagery.

  • Comment number 54.

    Yes the EU should take action - against themselves! They have made a policy without ensuring working, consistent and enduring solutions to the immigration problems affecting all European nations.

  • Comment number 55.

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  • Comment number 56.

    Should the EU take disciplinary action against France? Are there better ways to tackle the issue?

    This assumes that France is in the wrong and that the problem is that of making France accept the Roma's.

    Wrong. France should stick to its guns, send the Roma's back and tell the EU where to get off. Maybe a tough line from just one country might inspire other countries to to likewise. Ultimately, the solution lies in pulling out of this miserable bureaucratic infected EU. But I fear that someone in France will direct the Romas to the Dover Ferry where they will be met by overpayed civil rights lawyers and showered with benefits from the spineless UK government.

    I saw a farmer crying with rage the other day, after these travellers used his barn as a camp site, drunk loads of vodka and burned the place down, before moving freely to another site.

  • Comment number 57.

    The problem with all this is the word illegal it means nothing these days people squat where they want and just shout "Human Rights," themselves having no respect for the human rights of honest people.

  • Comment number 58.

    No, the EU should not take action against France. It is highly unfortunate that Gypsies now hold documentation indicating that they are citizens of the European Union. Although they have been 'citizens' of Eastern European EU states for generations, they have never, on the whole, demonstrated any interest in integrating in, and behaving like citizens of, those states. Their general lifestyle and behaviour have contributed little, while having inflicted a fair amount of damage.

    As a result, how can France be blamed for taking such action? The unfortunate result however is that Romania, Bulgaria, etc. have to take back these Gypsies; Gypsies that will go back to contributing nothing to those societies.

  • Comment number 59.

    I wholeheartedly agree with the majority of comments so far. France have every right to do what they are doing and they set a great example to everyone else. Why should they follow an EU Directive if it's detrimental to their Country and it's population? All strength to France; I just wish the UK had the backbone to do the same thing! Roll on the end of the EU!

  • Comment number 60.

    This sounds like the American government vs. Arizona.

    Of course Arizonians are happy to part of America where as many in every country in the EU wish no part of fourth reich.

  • Comment number 61.

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  • Comment number 62.

    Ginoxford have you been asleep for 37 years.We have never had a vote on membership since 1973,37 years ago.Why not have a vote,obviously the EU have been doing such a good job they won,t be afraid of the outcome,wrong they are scared to death because they know what the answer will be from the British people.Peace,Economic,Social dividends.Peace from the end of WW2 the UK has paid a very heavy price in the defence of Europe financially,far more than many other European nations,in WW1 we paid with 1,000,000 lives and 250,000 in WW2,nobody rebuilt our industries after WW2.In fact to be treated the way we are in Europe after standing alone in 1940,Europe would have ceased to exist once the Nazi,s had signed a peace treaty with an isolationist America.Economic dividend,where is it,hardly any manufacturing industries left,fewer and fewer decent paying jobs,a bankrupt state after bailing out supposedly private banks.Social benefits,great when there are no jobs.I have served in the uniform of this country,what I find appalling is the apathy that has allowed this country to become the mess it is.Suggest you wake up and smell the coffee,there again I wouldn,t know anything I,m ignorant.Suggest you look up Hyperinflation,Depression,Migration,Low Skilled,etc, for the future of this nation,sorry, sub district of the European Superstate.

  • Comment number 63.

    "The Majority of Roma add nothing at all to France's economy or culture & treat where they stay as a rubbish tip to be ripped apart & then left good for nothing. For people who think this is racist neither I nor the French are suggesting ALL the Roma should go, it is unfortunate that the actions of the many are spoiling things for the few, ask anyone who's ever volunteered with Roma charit"

    They not only do not add, they take.

    Petty crime is up, people must spend a lot to defend themselves. It's not even against the EU rule as people who cannot show they have a job and a place to live can be expelled to their native country.

    I think that butt out is the term to be used.

  • Comment number 64.

    "These people are EU citizens with every right to settle wherever they want in the EU."

    Not at all... EU citizens have the right to work in another EU country. They do not have the right to settle there if they do not hold a real job and have a place to live.

    Roma who do are not expelled. The one who are do not have either a real job or a place they can show they either bought or rent to live.

  • Comment number 65.

    The EU is correct to take action against the French government if it is choosing which regulations it complies with and which it does not.

  • Comment number 66.

    Hopefully France will totally ignore the eu and it's rantings. It's good to see at least one country who are prepared to tell the Brussels numpties to mind their own business.
    I only wish our own government would stand up to them ! Doesn't look like that will happen anytime soon with the LibDems hanging on to the tailcoats of the Tories !

  • Comment number 67.

    If the French government targeted specifically the Romani, in a prejudiced way not applied to other illegal immigrants or illegal camp dwellers, then the EU should punish France severely. If, however, the French government applied the same law to all (simply enforcing immigration and housing regulations), the the EU should not waste money pursuing a case just to look virtuous in the eyes of the public. I hope nobody has treated any of the Romani people illegally, but if this does boil down to a refusal of the Romani to obey the law because of lifestyle choices, then they should be dealt with by the law just as any of us would if we broke the law.

  • Comment number 68.

    The Nation State and it's traditions, values and culture are paramount. It is up to France to do exactly what it sees fit to do regarding these unwanted trespassers on it's soil. The EU is an insidious organisation intent on it's own agenda of bureaucratic empire building. An untouchable elite in Brussels ruling over a shoe-horned together mismatch of totally different countries. "All" immigration is not good. Most immigration, unless STRICTLY CONTROLLED, is very bad. If immigrants arrive in uncontrolled numbers (deliberate New Labour policy in Britain) then they cannot be assimilated into the population. The balance is upset. Immigrants must integrate into their new country ie. adopt the prevailing cutoms and traditions, or leave. Too many immigrants are allowed to promote their own segregation within a host country and this inevitably will lead to conflict. The majority of people must never pander to a minority.
    It's very simple : Nations must respect each other's culture and traditions. That way different cultures will survive and not be diluted or destroyed by the left-wing PC dogma of "multiculturalism".
    Humanity is made up of many different tribes with their own lands NOT a marxist monoculture of political correctness.
    RESPECT. FENCES MAKE GOOD NEIGHBOURS.
    By the way, you'll soon see the demise of the Euro currency because the idea that countries like Germany and Greece can belong to the same monetary union is, and always will be, pure nonsense.

  • Comment number 69.

    I find it very hard to distinguish between Roma and other travellers but in the final analysis who people in caravans are is irrelevant. If some families want an itinerant lifestyle in a caravan and pay to occupy pitches on commercially run sites (ie The Caravan Club) that is fine by me. I don't know what went on in France but I have had years of direct observation in the UK.

    What I have seen are groups of caravan dwellers illegally invading other peoples' land, refusing to leave until a court order is granted, leaving an appalling mess and demanding their "human rights", whilst claiming social security (yet in some instances driving expensive four by fours), that's not all right. Indeed, I strongly object to having to pay for their depredations and being called a racist for objecting.

    So, let France do what it thinks right to protect its own citizens. I just wish the UK Government had the same guts.

  • Comment number 70.

    From the story "... host countries can deport people considered to be a public security risk or a burden on the welfare system."

    Can we really?

  • Comment number 71.

    There will be no legal action taken by the EU against France. EU citizens, in the vast majority, recognize that these camps need to go, the organized beggars need to go, the child prostitute pimps need to go, and the incestuous families need to go BACK from whence they came.

  • Comment number 72.

    1. At 4:27pm on 29 Sep 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    The EU should keep it's nose out of nation's business. What France did, does and will do, is a matter for the French people and the French people alone.


    Hear hear.

  • Comment number 73.

    Romania has to be taken to task as well Why are they not dealing with their indigenous people? When shown pictures of the Roma Camps I agree with Mr. Sarkosy. Why must the working class always have to deal with this?

  • Comment number 74.

    One stands accused of being fascist for expelling certain groups within our Society, but if we do not do so now we will reap a whirlwind of reaction worse than fascism in time to come. Hard working, responsible folk will not put up indefinitely supporting those who do not work, are a drain on their kindness, people who resort to crime & violence, who degrade their environment & turn it into no-go areas, etc. Enough is enough!

  • Comment number 75.

    10. At 4:46pm on 29 Sep 2010, Happy wrote:
    Countries should be able to say who comes into their country. This and the Brussels protests signal an end to the EU.


    Hear hear, well said

  • Comment number 76.

    No! But we should be all eyes, ears and noses.

  • Comment number 77.

    11. At 4:46pm on 29 Sep 2010, tony d wrote:
    Let the French decide who they want in their country, not people from outside France. The EU commission is so out of touch with the populations of the member states it has no credibility. Its not their business who France lets in or keeps out.


    Hear hear, Precisely

  • Comment number 78.

    I admire France for it's stance. We should have done the same here in the UK. I wonder what city let alone country I'm in when I walk down the street in Southampton. Good on you France for sticking up to petty EEC do gooders. Time will tell.

  • Comment number 79.

    12. At 4:48pm on 29 Sep 2010, kashlam wrote: These people are EU citizens with every right to settle wherever they want in the EU.

    It's not quite that simple, see comment #36.

  • Comment number 80.

    "No beggers' on french streets run by criminals? The E.U. are wrong about this one ?

  • Comment number 81.

    Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    "The EU should keep it's nose out of nation's business. What France did, does and will do, is a matter for the French people and the French people alone."
    +++++++++++++++++
    Alot of countries had that attitude towards Nazi Germany in the 1930's and look what happened.

  • Comment number 82.

    Sounds like the EU/EEC is some alien life form that has incubated itself into your countries overthere. And until recently no one has noticed or cared? Weird. Who pays these people? Who reads the megatons of white papers, briefs, regulations and pc epistles they produce. It sounds all very European to me. And as an American I am quite content to be blissfully unconnected, unaffected and unconcerned about it. Something about Nannies and States, isn't it? Astonishing really.

  • Comment number 83.

    76. At 7:30pm on 29 Sep 2010, Enny2012 wrote:
    No! But we should be all eyes, ears and noses.

    -------------------------
    Sorry, if we do nothing you will have no eyes, ears & nose worth speaking of! Literally!

  • Comment number 84.

    Lets just get this right,
    The French Government deported illegal immigrants living in illegal camps( officially homeless people.) After repatriation to nation of origin they have paid the homeless €300.

    Personally i think it is generous.

  • Comment number 85.

    I thank God for the EU action.
    As much as I can understand France's affront to its sovereignty, I am old enough to remember other groups that were expelled en masse - gypsies, homosexuals, mental deficients, the old, the Jews...Who spoke for them? Who was able to stop the deportation? Who asked the questions to see if the action was justified?
    I won't compare France with Nazi Germany because there is no comparison.
    But 1,000 people have been deported to Romania and Bulgaria from France against their will without evidence that they were insurgent or a drain on the welfare system.
    If no precedent is set with France, if other EU countries follow a similar action, where exactly will the Roma be allowed to live?

  • Comment number 86.

    Yes.
    And then the French should tell them to get stuffed.
    I love it when someone waves two fingers to the fascist EU.
    Only a pity our spineless politicians don't do the same.

  • Comment number 87.

    A row between Brussels and Paris is all about a certain egotistical lawyer with the EU, in Brussels who spend billions of euros in moving their stupid Parliament twice a year for reasons only known to them. Why is this stupidity not challenged????

    As for 'Roma' and 'gypsies' - they are their own community/clans/families - nomadic or non-nomadic. The Government of the Republic of Ireland became very 'tired' and expelled many 'nomadic' communities that moved to UK - but apparently the EU didn't make a fuss about that?

  • Comment number 88.

    Here we go - and it's all down to the EU 'constitution'!

    The EU has to mind its own business when it comes to challenging the power of each sovereign state; because, if it doesn't, it might find that those same states will choose to 'go it alone'!

    Good for France for having the courage of its convictions!

  • Comment number 89.

    No, - there should be no legal action taken against France. The hysterical rhetoric used by some members of the Commission - comparing the repatriation of the Roma to their own country with deportation of Jews to the death camps during WW2 is appalling.

    There are regulations governing the movement of labour within the EU. And one of them is that you register with the authorities. You are also required to prove that you have the means to support yourself for the duration of your stay. And you have to have an address.

    I would suggest that the inhabitants of illegal travellers' camps fall down on all of these and probably a myriad other regulations.

    France is right to repatriate them. Would that our own government showed such guts and determination.

  • Comment number 90.

    Who needs a fourth rise of these neo-fascist tyrants?

  • Comment number 91.

    Hear, Hear...well done France...at least you have the BALLS to act...rather than just sitting their and taking all the crap thats thrown at you...

    My only problem, the EU taking FRANCE to EU Court...can't really see France winning...shame...but quite ashamedly stacked against you...GOOD TRY though...are you watching DAVE/NICK???

  • Comment number 92.

    The EU should stop interfering in nations affairs. France is being absolutely correct in what they are doing. We must tell the EU the same. The time will come when we will have to say we are full and can't take any more.We have 65 million on this island rapidly rising to 77 million in 20 years time. What will the EU do when we say stop.

  • Comment number 93.

    "These people are EU citizens with every right to settle wherever they want in the EU."
    -------------------------
    The term 'EU citizen' is a rather absurd concept. I was born a British citizen and have never wished to be anything else. I am not an 'EU citizen', the EU has no claim on my loyalty, I never voted for it, I do not recognise its flags or anthems and I despise its very existence. If I were a French citizen I would demand that the French government did what is right for France - and I hope it will.

  • Comment number 94.

    No they shouldn't, not until there is equality in the EU. At the moment France etc pass all the illegals onto us in the UK when they are supposed to give these people sanctuary in the first EU country they come to. The EU appears to be run at the moment by un-interested people who are only there to ride the gravy-train and get as much as they can out of it to the detriment of it's members.

    For an orgaisation that has never balanced it's books and costs each of us so much money it is they that should be sent away.

  • Comment number 95.

    If EU steps into the Roma Quagmire they are bound to bite their hands and feet, this problem of illegal immigration is rampant. With today's economic and job prospect challenges, every country wants to retain jobs for its legal residents. This automatically means that they do not want to provide free meals, schools, health care and other amenities to those who are not legally living within their borders. This time it will prudent for the EU to SHUT UP!

  • Comment number 96.

    My advice to the French is to stop deporting Gypsies to Romania. Instead, pay them to go to Belgium and set up their squalid shantytowns outside the European Commission.

  • Comment number 97.

    Civilization is totally dependent on rule of law. EU should apply existing laws fairly and universally. If this does not suit France they can opt out of EU. EU is normally not vigilant, active, and fair in all cases. For example it is always very quiet about the plight of Muslims in Europe. Even BBC can try to improve its record on coverage of issues dealing with Muslims.
    canjudge

  • Comment number 98.

    85. At 7:57pm on 29 Sep 2010, BluesBerry wrote:
    I thank God for the EU action.
    As much as I can understand France's affront to its sovereignty, I am old enough to remember other groups that were expelled en masse - gypsies, homosexuals, mental deficients, the old, the Jews...Who spoke for them? Who was able to stop the deportation? Who asked the questions to see if the action was justified?
    I won't compare France with Nazi Germany because there is no comparison.
    But 1,000 people have been deported to Romania and Bulgaria from France against their will without evidence that they were insurgent or a drain on the welfare system.
    If no precedent is set with France, if other EU countries follow a similar action, where exactly will the Roma be allowed to live?
    -----------------------------------
    Didn't they come from Romania and Bulgaria? Aren't they Romanian and Bulgarian citizens? So that's where they can live. They might not like it there, but that doesn't give them the right to dump themselves in another country. What if the entire population of Romania decided they'd like to move to The Netherlands, or Liechtenstein, or (better still) Brussels? That would give the EU something to think about ....

  • Comment number 99.

    The EU should mind its own business. What France does is nothing to do with it. The EU should go back to what it was meant to be, a common market.

  • Comment number 100.

    If the French don't want hords of people setting up camps and trying to live off the French welfare system or taking part in criminal activity, that's entirely up to France. The EU should keep its nose out.

 

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