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Will the Middle East negotiations achieve anything?

17:41 UK time, Friday, 20 August 2010

Israel and the Palestinians have agreed to resume direct negotiations for the first time in 20 months, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said. What does this mean for the Middle East?

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas have been invited to Washington on 2 September to start the year-long talks.

But correspondents say prospects of a comprehensive deal are slim.

Sensitive areas - including the construction of Jewish settlements on occupied territory, the status of Jerusalem, the borders of a future Palestinian state - will be difficult to overcome.

In which areas can a compromise be achieved? How optimistic should we feel about these talks? Is a year of negotiations long enough?

Thank you for your comments. This debate is now closed.

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  • Comment number 1.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 2.

    We should feel optimism and hope they move forward. A stop to settlement building and no more provocative aid convoys should be top priority. Sideline extremists on both sides and take it step by step. Foreign influences should keep quiet over it to. Just let them sort it out in peace and keep emotion out of it.

  • Comment number 3.

    If America and the uk stop supporting Israel and starting wars then yes.

  • Comment number 4.

    Will Israel-Palestine negotiations achieve anything?

    Not until Israel get out of occupied territories completely - and Netanyahu will not agree - he is busy building all over Palestine.

    The only way is if USA stops supporting Israel in the way it does - It has nothing to do with OIL (the usual USA reason) but the very powerful Jewish Lobby in the US

    I am jewish

  • Comment number 5.

    It might not have anything to do with oil, of course it could be, but it does provide America with a footing in the middle east where as we know there is plenty of oil.

    Americans are selfish so ther must be a reason for supporting Israel.

    I am Welsh.

  • Comment number 6.

    Here we go...strident and illinformed comments that do not add to the topic. Going on about oil is a bit abstract.

  • Comment number 7.

    Abstact... unlike an OIL painting then?

  • Comment number 8.

    The only way will be if both parties agree to a redrawing of the borders...this should have been done in the first place prior to 1948..there is no way that the world should have agreed to a Jewish state without at the same time agreeing to a Palestinian state after all the Palestinians at that stage were the residents of most of the area...Big mistake for the knowalls of the time

  • Comment number 9.

    I suppose they could achieve something - if all parties were involved.

    'all' would of course Include Hamas.

    America nor Israel will ever let Hamas have their say, which in turn stops their voters having a say, so I predict nothing will be achieved.

  • Comment number 10.

    I think it is really sad when NIMBYism reaches places like Israel.

  • Comment number 11.

    Yep it is Ironic that nobody will listen to Hamas as they are deemed a terrorist group.
    Was Nelson Mandella demmed a terrorist by the south african goverment at one time?

  • Comment number 12.

    I feel optimistic about these talks. I hope that Israel can be persuaded to 'compromise' on their expansion. It would be too much to hope for them to come to a concensus regarding a Palestinian country with firm borders that are respected by Israel. If this happens will we & the US be funding Palestine in the same way we do for Israel? It's only fair.

  • Comment number 13.

    It seems to me that all my life there have been Israel/Palestine negotiations which never achieve anything.

  • Comment number 14.

    I think it is laughable that a "war minded" nation like America can fool us into believing that they are "peacemakers".

  • Comment number 15.

    6. At 8:52pm on 20 Aug 2010, krokodil wrote:

    Here we go...strident and illinformed comments that do not add to the topic. Going on about oil is a bit abstract.

    = = = = = =

    I don't think I'm ill-informed - I used to live there - The 40 years occupation by Israel is the major reason for Palestinian guerilla activity. The fact Israel also continue to build settlements IN SPITE of condemnation by the vast majority of the world does not bode well for negotiations.

    I'm being realistic - If the US not only condemned Israel's actions AND stopped their support then Israel would have to comply with the UN directives.

    Rather like our UK/IRA peace treaty - It only came about when the US woke up after 9/11 and decided they had been supported "terrorists" and stopped doing so - even though the UK had been asking the US to stop for 30 years. The UK had offered negotiations for years.

    I think the US Jewish Lobby is too strong and pro Israel.

  • Comment number 16.

    Not untill pressure is put on the Palestinians and by extension the Arab League to make some concessions to Israel.

    A good start would be reperations for 50 years of terrorism, the immediate handover of all Hezbollah leaders to Israel and acceptance of Israeli control of Jerusulem

  • Comment number 17.

    Oh this is an easy one.

    No, they won't. Zip. Nadda. Nothing.

    Next?

  • Comment number 18.

    I'm right your wrong...which was the warlike country that sorted the camp David peace accords?

  • Comment number 19.

    Yes but what's it got to do with oil?

  • Comment number 20.

    Palestine a running sore, Ireland a running sore. It's not about "the style" it's about religion. The Jews occupying Palestine and Prostestants occupying Ireland. These unsettled lands will never find peace. So no there will never be peace in the Middle East, that is whilst the Hebrews occupy Arab lands, the fictional story they call bible; someone one day wrote that Jews should have the "promised" land because the "author" probably dreamt one night that he/she was spoken to by a voice at the back of their mind and called the "voice" god. As it was written down this insignificant idividual it MUST be fact, so the Jews are given the land, goodness me the person who wrote the nonsense in the first place has a lot to answer for!! So religion has a lot to answer for and all the tripe written by mischief makers penning their own personal interpretations of the meaning of life. In todays world of enlightenment how the far fetched tripe written in the novel; bible has such an impact, is beyond me.

  • Comment number 21.

    Of course it won't!
    It's Israel & the Palestinians.
    Even if they "agree" on anything - no matter how trivial, the extremists on either side will wreck it.

  • Comment number 22.

    ref #11
    Im RIGHT your WRONG wrote:
    Yep it is Ironic that nobody will listen to Hamas as they are deemed a terrorist group.
    Was Nelson Mandella demmed a terrorist by the south african goverment at one time?

    ______________

    Despite the reverence he is shown, Mandela always seems to absolve terrorism against non blacks, just ask whites in Zimbawbwe or any Israeli

  • Comment number 23.

    9. At 9:02pm on 20 Aug 2010, RD wrote:
    "I suppose they could achieve something - if all parties were involved.

    'all' would of course Include Hamas.

    America nor Israel will ever let Hamas have their say, which in turn stops their voters having a say, so I predict nothing will be achieved"

    ___________________________________________________________________--

    Hate to spoil your rant but Hamas has already refused to take part.
    American intervention should be banned because they have their own military and strategic interests.
    Krokodil was right for a change. Extremists on both sides should be kept away. Ivigdor Lieberman, the Israeli foreign minister, for example, who would like to see Hamas "pushed to the bottom of the Red Sea where they belong".
    That's their foreign minister!

  • Comment number 24.

    Tell Israel she has to vacate West Bank settlements, they are illegal and destroy the basis of a Palestinian economy. Tell the Palestinians that Jerusalem IS the histroical capital of Israel and the Jews and should be Israeli. There are plenty of other places Palestinians can make capital.

    West bank free of jewish settlements. Jerusalem is Israel's capital.

    That is fair.

  • Comment number 25.

    16. At 9:18pm on 20 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:
    "Not untill pressure is put on the Palestinians and by extension the Arab League to make some concessions to Israel.

    A good start would be reperations for 50 years of terrorism, the immediate handover of all Hezbollah leaders to Israel and acceptance of Israeli control of Jerusulem"

    _________________________________________________________________-


    Clearly the diplomatic corps has missed a rising star in you. But I'm sure Israel thanks you for your loyalty and devotion

  • Comment number 26.

    Oh yes,they will achieve almost as much as they have done in the past. Just watch.
    Richard Soudah

  • Comment number 27.

    I dont know about the camp david peace accords but I do know abot the illegal invasion of Iraq, the invasion on Afganistan and this so called "war on terror" or should that be "war on muslims".
    If the USA wanted peace in the middle east them why oh why did they support Israel?

  • Comment number 28.

    Once again the US, West and Israel are subjecting us to a charade.

    Remember when the US and UK invaded Afghanistan, then when they invaded Iraq.
    What did the mealy-mouthed of US and British politicians produce: I will tell you further humiliations and injustices were heaped on the Palestinian People.

    Only a strong International Movement of Civil Society committed to boycott and massive Civil Disobedience will force the same old culprits, the US, UK and EU from supporting Israel like the did the Apartheid Regime in South Africa.

    People should read the well-documented reports and books on the Humiliation and Injustices perpetrated by Israel on Palestinians daily. Like the Germans (under the Nazis) its not good enough to say we never knew what is going on in Israel and the Occupied Territories - we are all culpable by our inaction.

  • Comment number 29.

    Kevin Orr Wrote "
    Not untill pressure is put on the Palestinians and by extension the Arab League to make some concessions to Israel."

    The Palastinian people owe nothing to Israel.
    Many Palastinians have died as a result of Israels unproportionate respose to rocket attacks.

    The terrorism as you call it is a response to the ill treatment of the Palistinian people, if they had an army like the Israeli's then who knows they may have not been treated so badly.

  • Comment number 30.

    RichardGray and other Jews hope to see Israel become more humane and thus save itself from committing more crimes in the future. This is very laudable of course but unfortunately there are not enough RichardGreys to tip the balance.
    Baktam

  • Comment number 31.

    I do not really know why iraq Afghanistan and oil have to do with peace talks between israel and Palestine. Yes they provide endless debate and invective, but they do not equate to this topic.

  • Comment number 32.

    I do not think retrospective blame-gaming is needed here or within the actual talks. It just goes around the houses when all sides must look forward.

  • Comment number 33.

    Take johnp...regurgitating the past with an obvious agenda...what good would that do in peace talks?

  • Comment number 34.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 35.

    Middle East= Oil thats why the United States havent helped other countries that have no oil.
    I.E Africa

  • Comment number 36.

    "Israel-Palestine negotiations are to resume"

    That headline (or variations thereof) has been occurring regularly throughout my life; when I'm dead, buried and turned to dust, people will still be reading the same headlines.

    Nothing will ever change.

  • Comment number 37.

    I wish I could be hopeful for the end of this conflict which has been going on for nearly half of a century, but if history tells us anything its this; Israel is just going through the motions. It seems that the Israeli government has absolutely no desire to give anything up to the Palestinians. The continuing building of settlements and the stranglehold they have over Gaza makes this fairly obvious. Abbas and the entire Fatah party has been bending over backwards for Israel hoping to get any kind of compromise from there side in return. The only thing Abbas asked for before he would commit to direct talks was that Israel stop building settlements on land that is supposed to belong to the Palestinian people and now it comes to light that he gave that up for yet one more chance at peace and dignity for his people. The only thing that will come out of these talks are a photo op. As much as it hurts to say, there will never be a Palestinian state.

  • Comment number 38.

    I doubt it. What Israel seems to be doing, and has been doing throughout, is holding talks and intermittent ceasefires to appease the foreign community, but in the long run they continue their relentless extermination of Palestine, slowly but inexorably.

  • Comment number 39.

    Woah! I may be wrong but I thought america gave by far the most aid out of all the nations. And mr popularity george bush got rare praise for his African work. Disliking america is one thing but not giving credit when its due is wrong.

  • Comment number 40.

    Krokodil notes with interest that its blame everyone except israel as per usual ;) its two sides who have been unable to compromise...not just one!

  • Comment number 41.

    I would like to be optimistic, but the reality is that our foreign policy on this front, if not, the whole Muslim and or Arab world is by any objective view, controlled by Israel. The power wielded and manipulated by 2% of the world population is so disproportionate, in US Congress, Supreme Court and Administration that one must ask if there really is separation of church and state.

  • Comment number 42.

    This is another US ploy to delay the real justice to the displaced. We will need to get Iran to suppy necessary arms to fight the injustic inflicked by the US and its supporters.

  • Comment number 43.

    This meeting can only serve as a ground work for the Next because both Benjamin Natanyahu and Mohmud Abbas have domestic issue to solve first. On the Palestinian side Hamas is against the talk and on the Israel side the issuse of Jerusalem and the construction of Jewish settlement are not settled.

  • Comment number 44.

    If they're talking, generally they're not bombing.

    There's certainly nothing to lose.

    Of course peace can only be achieved in the region with a one state solution: one SECULAR state under a new, culturally neutral name and new flag, which holds Jewish and Muslim beliefs in the same esteem and to the same level of accountability along with all other beliefs. That won't eradicate the problems - but it'll go a lot further than expecting 2 explicitly sectarian nations to coexist.

  • Comment number 45.

    "4. At 8:40pm on 20 Aug 2010, RichardGrey wrote:
    Will Israel-Palestine negotiations achieve anything?

    Not until Israel get out of occupied territories completely - and Netanyahu will not agree - he is busy building all over Palestine."


    100% agree.

  • Comment number 46.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 47.

    23. At 9:40pm on 20 Aug 2010, Kevin Orr wrote:

    9. At 9:02pm on 20 Aug 2010, RD wrote:
    "I suppose they could achieve something - if all parties were involved.

    'all' would of course Include Hamas.

    America nor Israel will ever let Hamas have their say, which in turn stops their voters having a say, so I predict nothing will be achieved"

    ___________________________________________________________________--

    Hate to spoil your rant but Hamas has already refused to take part.
    American intervention should be banned because they have their own military and strategic interests.
    Krokodil was right for a change. Extremists on both sides should be kept away. Ivigdor Lieberman, the Israeli foreign minister, for example, who would like to see Hamas "pushed to the bottom of the Red Sea where they belong".
    That's their foreign minister!

    --------------------------------------------

    Its far from a rant. its the truth, America nor Israel have even the slightest of intentions to speak to Hamas.

    If Hamas said tomorrow they would never again attack Israel, in any way shape or form, and they then went on and never even lifted a finger for years..it would not lead to direct talks.

    Mostly because it would give Hamas legitimacy, which is of course counter to Israels goal,and in turn, Israel would have to give in to at least some of Hamas' demands.

    You're right though, it needs to be done without any extremists, which means a third party..the question is who is suitable? Its certainly not America.

  • Comment number 48.

    First we need to dismantle Israel and get rid of all settlement in the west bank. Othewise no peace. BBC stop pulbishing these lies about peace talks. There will never be any talks... So get real.

  • Comment number 49.

    The Israel-Palestine problem is that both keep on talking and finger-pointing, but they never listen.

  • Comment number 50.

    29. At 9:57pm on 20 Aug 2010, Im RIGHT your WRONG wrote:
    Kevin Orr Wrote "
    Not untill pressure is put on the Palestinians and by extension the Arab League to make some concessions to Israel."

    "The Palastinian people owe nothing to Israel.
    Many Palastinians have died as a result of Israels unproportionate respose to rocket attacks.

    The terrorism as you call it is a response to the ill treatment of the Palistinian people, if they had an army like the Israeli's then who knows they may have not been treated so badly"


    __________________________________________________________________

    I didn't write anything of the sort. I responded to that. I support Palestinian rights, and am opposed to Israel's foreign policy

  • Comment number 51.

    First up, it is a tribute to Mrs.Clinton that she has pushed things forward on the Middle East problem and should be applauded for doing so however this way forward is fraught with possibilities,not least Hammas,Jerusalem and Gaza.The wider world will also want a say in what develops and will invariably take sides if there are sides to be taken.

  • Comment number 52.

    ref #29
    The Palastinian people owe nothing to Israel.
    Many Palastinians have died as a result of Israels unproportionate respose to rocket attacks.

    The terrorism as you call it is a response to the ill treatment of the Palistinian people, if they had an army like the Israeli's then who knows they may have not been treated so badly.
    _____________

    Very easy when both Lebanon and the Palestinians allow unprovoked missle attacks despite treaty obligations.

    The international community lead by the terrorist appeasing U.N does nothing.

  • Comment number 53.

    Hamas have already stated their opposition before talks even commence ! So Hamas come out in their true colours...warmongers with no concern for their population....and then try to blame Israel ! Yet some people still support Palestine...and demonstrate total bigotry.
    Hamas are like cockroaches...and until they are exterminated there will be no peace in the Middle East.

  • Comment number 54.

    nope - the chance for achieving something was missed many years ago and a lot has to happen before there's a second chance. More suffering in Palestine is on the cards...

  • Comment number 55.

    "16. At 9:18pm on 20 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:
    Not untill pressure is put on the Palestinians and by extension the Arab League to make some concessions to Israel."


    And Israel will remove its buildings from occupied territory and reinstate the Palestinian homes they destroyed?

  • Comment number 56.

    No.

    Next question?

  • Comment number 57.

    4. At 8:40pm on 20 Aug 2010, RichardGrey wrote:
    Will Israel-Palestine negotiations achieve anything?

    Not until Israel get out of occupied territories completely - and Netanyahu will not agree - he is busy building all over Palestine.

    The only way is if USA stops supporting Israel in the way it does - It has nothing to do with OIL (the usual USA reason) but the very powerful Jewish Lobby in the US

    I am jewish

    ---------------------------------------------
    I completely totally agree, withdrawal from the occupied territories all of them and withdrawal to the 1967 borders is the only way forward.
    As for calling the Palestinians terrorists continually that is akin to calling French resistance fighters in the 2nd world war fighting against the Germans in occupied France terrorists.
    This has gone on far too long and the old tired excuses of acting in self defence by annexing more land just can not wash any more surely. Israel should just do the right thing and comply with all the united nations security council resolutions against it.

  • Comment number 58.

    "24. At 9:41pm on 20 Aug 2010, Norman Brooke wrote:
    Tell the Palestinians that Jerusalem IS the histroical capital of Israel and the Jews and should be Israeli."


    Is it the historical capital? As Israel is a very young state - I'm just wondering where your information is from?

  • Comment number 59.

    Will the talks achieve anything? Unlikely, but as long as the two sides are talking they aren't trying to kill each other so it should be encouraged.

  • Comment number 60.

    When the Arab states stop utilising people as pawns then there may be a potential for peace. Having killed off a few too many post-Jordan Palestinians, Jordan no longer claims the westbank for themselves. I guess they are content with the Palestine they already own. So it might be nice if they could have a little chat about the prospects of them refraining from abusing their own people.

  • Comment number 61.

    Blimey! I only asked if a poster who suggested iran arm the Palestinians was the president of Iran. Sorry if I caused offence.

  • Comment number 62.

    ref #47
    Its far from a rant. its the truth, America nor Israel have even the slightest of intentions to speak to Hamas.

    If Hamas said tomorrow they would never again attack Israel, in any way shape or form, and they then went on and never even lifted a finger for years..it would not lead to direct talks.

    Mostly because it would give Hamas legitimacy, which is of course counter to Israels goal,and in turn, Israel would have to give in to at least some of Hamas' demands.

    You're right though, it needs to be done without any extremists, which means a third party..the question is who is suitable? Its certainly not America
    __________________

    Nor should they Hams is a racist genociadal terrorist group.

    Why don't you ask the gulf states who have had no conflict with Israel to open direct negoiation with them?

  • Comment number 63.

    The man from Fatah and 'Ben the Builder'? I don't think so, too many people and ideas for actual progress are missing. Shame.
    Regards, etc.

  • Comment number 64.

    Abbas was forced to cave in by the Arab dictators behind him because they are more concerned by Iran's rising power than any concern for the rights and welfare of their own people. This extremist Israeli govt showed no substantive goodwill as demanded by Abbas so it is sheer fantasy to think it is about to concede anything meaningful that would be necessary for peace. These forced talks will most probably grind to a halt in very short order and the result would be a virulent backlsh from the street Arab that would sweep away their so called leaders and replace them with leaders who put the interest of their people first and foremost.

  • Comment number 65.

    The creation of Israel was probably the greatest mistake of the 20th century: we will all be paying for it for a long time to come.

    If the Jews wanted a homeland, they should never have left in the first place. They are not a race, but a religion: they can live anywhere.

  • Comment number 66.

    This has been on-going for 60 years; if only HYS had been around then.

    "Will Israel-Palestine negotiations achieve anything?"

    What a ridiculous subject for a HYS debate.

    Yes, No, Maybe.


  • Comment number 67.

    "62. At 11:30pm on 20 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:
    'ref #47
    Its far from a rant. its the truth, America nor Israel have even the slightest of intentions to speak to Hamas.

    If Hamas said tomorrow they would never again attack Israel, in any way shape or form, and they then went on and never even lifted a finger for years..it would not lead to direct talks.

    Mostly because it would give Hamas legitimacy, which is of course counter to Israels goal,and in turn, Israel would have to give in to at least some of Hamas' demands.

    You're right though, it needs to be done without any extremists, which means a third party..the question is who is suitable? Its certainly not America'
    __________________

    Nor should they Hams is a racist genociadal terrorist group.

    Why don't you ask the gulf states who have had no conflict with Israel to open direct negoiation with them?"


    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


    Were Hamas voted in because Palestinians found that more moderate parties were getting nowhere?

  • Comment number 68.

    The Americans look the other way while the Israelis keep a steady foot on the Palestinians throat.
    Nothing will change.

  • Comment number 69.

    I really don't care what Hillary Clinton says or thinks at this particular moment in time, someone who changes their views in order to gain votes is vile in the extreme.

  • Comment number 70.

    Too often people say "there will never be a Palestinian state", "America will never allow it". Well the time when America can dictate to the world and the Middle East in particular is fast coming to an end. These pointless talks were forced onto Abbas because America and Israel want to take attention away from the repression of Palestinians and onto the Iran nuclear issue. But it's a nonsense. The two issues are inextricably linked. Progress on one depends on progress on the other. Sorry people, but that is the inescapable truth.

  • Comment number 71.

    8. At 9:01pm on 20 Aug 2010, joleon1 wrote:

    The only way will be if both parties agree to a redrawing of the borders...this should have been done in the first place prior to 1948..there is no way that the world should have agreed to a Jewish state without at the same time agreeing to a Palestinian state after all the Palestinians at that stage were the residents of most of the area...Big mistake for the knowalls of the time
    ____________

    The Jews, US, UK, and the UN agreed to a partition of Palestine in 1947/8. They agreed to a predominantly Jewish and a much smaller area than they eventually ended up with. The Arabs rejected any partition and went to war instead.


    The last time the Israelis agreed to the world's first Paslestinian state, under President Clinton's direction, all they got was the intifada (2000) which led to the current situation. Strange how everyone has forgotten the remorseless suicide bombings in Israel less than a decade ago after the PLO got exactly what they were asking for ......

    If the talks lead to anything remotely constructive it is likely to be a recognition of the West Bank as an autonomous political entity. Gaza will be excluded for the time being as a) a Palestinian state that is not conjoined will never function and b) HAMAS, who have as their stated aim the complete removal of the Jews from what was known as Palestine (which includes Jordan), will never work with Israel or those that they would view as traitors to the Arab/Muslim peoples.

    Interesting how the reports mentions nothing of Lebanon or Syria. Is that an oversight or are they actually not going to participate? How can REGIONAL PEACE talks succeed without all the responsible parties?

    As a previous post stated, the talks are likely to be ruined by the extremists on both sides. I am, unfortunately, inclined to agree.

  • Comment number 72.

    Will Israeli-Palestinian negotiations accomplish anything?

    It seems highly unlikely.

    They've had 60 years to sort this out and they haven't succeeded yet.

    Slowly, generation by generation, the Palestinian People will abandon a hopeless situation and disolve into both the surrounding Arab State populations and scatter elsewhere across the globe.

    The rump fragments of land leftover to them are too disjointed and small and lack the contiguous nature to create and sustain a viable State. It's rather like watching an ancient boxing athlete getting the stuffing kicked out of him one last time and not having the sense to toss in the towel.

    It's time for them to concede reality and scatter and get on with their lives and to carve-out decent futures for their families in some land or another more friendly to such refugees.

  • Comment number 73.

    I hope the negotiating teams are not as blinkered and intransigent as most of the posters here! Otherwise there is no hope ;)

  • Comment number 74.

    62. At 11:30pm on 20 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote

    " Nor should they Hamas is a racist genociadal terrorist group.



    _________________________________________________________-

    When you decide to make a random, and frankly ridiculous acusation like this, it is advisble to produce substantiated evidence, otherwise you are made to look foolish, and you will fall victim to more informed posters who will be uncompromising in their criticism.

    Genocidal? Explain
    Racist? Explain

    But your patriotism is noted and Israel will thank you

  • Comment number 75.

    Hopefully and at last both sides have had enough time to reflect over the status-quo state of affairs having been left alone and neither the US or Europe fussing about them as they used to previously. They have come around to it themselves and decided that they want to talk and negotiate. I am very hopeful that it might work. One year is more than enough if both sides are sincere and want to make it work.
    As long as there is life there is hope and about time, as others who were shackled by their lack of security or freedom and bondage have long freed themselves from their situation and these two states should not be any different and can learn from others' experiences such as the Colonies, Slavery, Jewish Prosecution etc. I have confidence in Senator Mitchell's ability to steer both parties to agree to the two state solution and the Palestinians must recognise the existence of Israel, stop firing rockets into Israeli territories and co-exist peacefully like other various groups and religions do in other Countries. Similarly, the Israelis must respect the freedom of the Palestinians and allow free movement and stop building on Palestinian land/territories, provided rockets are not fired and the security of Israelis is not threatened because each and every one of us will react as Israel does if our security and existence is threatened.

  • Comment number 76.

    62. At 11:30pm on 20 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:

    ref #47
    Its far from a rant. its the truth, America nor Israel have even the slightest of intentions to speak to Hamas.

    If Hamas said tomorrow they would never again attack Israel, in any way shape or form, and they then went on and never even lifted a finger for years..it would not lead to direct talks.

    Mostly because it would give Hamas legitimacy, which is of course counter to Israels goal,and in turn, Israel would have to give in to at least some of Hamas' demands.

    You're right though, it needs to be done without any extremists, which means a third party..the question is who is suitable? Its certainly not America
    __________________

    Nor should they Hams is a racist genociadal terrorist group.

    Why don't you ask the gulf states who have had no conflict with Israel to open direct negoiation with them?

    -------------------------------------------------------

    You might find many Arab states speak regularly with Hamas...

    I dont expect you to realise this though, the same person who posts rubbish regarding the U.N. being the appeaser of terrorists can never see the 'real' picture.

    Its a good job that isnt the case though, isnt it? After all, the many, many cases of 'alleged' war crimes by Israel would surely have been answerable.

    Instead..the U.N. has barely even bothered to investigate them.

    Of course, ones definition of appeaser may be different to anothers..

  • Comment number 77.

    Nothing at all. Israeli leaders are following a program which will never resolve the problem. The only solution is a SINGLE state, which the Zionists will never agree to, the super powers supporting Zionists can only bring peace if they accommodate the post Great War settlers and their off springs back to their country and leave the original Jewish population to live with the Christian and Moslems in the land of Palestine since centuries. Since Zionists have let go 200,000 or more resettle in Berlin, I see no reason for the Zionists go back and leave that land in peace, already its settlers have been supported with trillions and trillions of dollars, pounds and Euros. Recently the Ethiopian Jews are getting a drubbing for following a form of Judaic teachings contrary to the one followed by the Zealots and Orthodox Jews.

    Jews who lived in countries south of the Russian belly east of Black Sea and then migrated during the pogroms have always been a model of decency, literacy, dedication and hard work. Tabrez a city in Iran has a sizeable population of Jews, they are just a model of humans at their best. Even in a war-torn Afghanistan, Kabul has an open synagogue with a Rabbi and one Jew, the rest were lured to Israel by all kinds of incentives and then came invasions by Soviets, USA and NATO. The probability of their return is remote as two generations have rolled over in a war torn country. The new generation of abused Afghanis, limbless, injured, sick, homeless ----will never know how their old parents miss their Jewish brothers. In fact, it would be fool hardy to let them return to Afghanistan with a near Holocaust situation created by the invaders.

  • Comment number 78.

    52. At 11:08pm on 20 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:

    "Very easy when both Lebanon and the Palestinians allow unprovoked missle attacks despite treaty obligations.

    The international community lead by the terrorist appeasing U.N does nothing"

    _________________________________________________________________


    There you go again. You are accusing an international forum of highly respected, democratically elected, historic, world parliamentary figures, of being supporters of terrorism. Because it suits your argument. But when Israel commits acts of international terrorism and the UN attempts to appease the situation? Hmm

    Your contribution will be appreciated

  • Comment number 79.

    "Will Israel-Palestine negotiations achieve anything?"

    Stupid question. No one will know until afterwards.

    Come on Beeb, raise the HYS quality a little please.

  • Comment number 80.

    Well we can see the bias of the BBC on BBC America Israel security was not considered one of the 3 major issues.

    The advanatage the Palestinian have instead of the even handed U.S broker tht the U.S has been historicly.

    The current President is obsessed with moslem outreach.

    Like many of the ignorant posters he does not see the threat of islamic zenophobes like Hamas

  • Comment number 81.

    73. At 00:00am on 21 Aug 2010, krokodil wrote:
    "I hope the negotiating teams are not as blinkered and intransigent as most of the posters here! Otherwise there is no hope ;)"

    ___________________________________________________________________

    Agreed krok. I've always said, as you know, that NEGOTIATION, no matter how long it takes, is the way forward.
    Hatred and lies gets you nowhere

  • Comment number 82.

    The law of return, one of the founding principles of the state of Israel allows unencumbered return for Jewish citizens. Favouring one race over another is racist, its what the word means. Favouring one religious position is just as bad.

    I think its pretty unlikely that any Palestinian can accept a solution in which their people are marginalised by law.

    A land for God's chosen? Lebensraum anyone?

  • Comment number 83.

    ref #76
    You might find many Arab states speak regularly with Hamas...
    (Just proves that Arab states are unwilliness to take steps for prace in the middle east)

    I dont expect you to realise this though, the same person who posts rubbish regarding the U.N. being the appeaser of terrorists can never see the 'real' picture.

    (The U.N who has a human rights council who only targets Israel ignoring major human rights violations around the world?)

    Its a good job that isnt the case though, isnt it? After all, the many, many cases of 'alleged' war crimes by Israel would surely have been answerable.

    Instead..the U.N. has barely even bothered to investigate them.
    (You mean like the bias and discredited Goldstone report?)

  • Comment number 84.

    I would love to say yes, but I genuinely feel that Israel does not want a peace in any terms that would be acceptable to the Palestians. They will set requirements that are sinply unachievable and refuse to move on items such as re-settlement in disputed areas. Let's face it, even when there has been agreement Israel has renaged on its obligations.
    It is simply not in Israel's interest for there to be peace in the region as it would reduce the support they get from the West and limit the lobbying power of Jews in other countries and in particular the U.S. to maintain it. They have to be seen as the lone spark of democracy and freedom in the Middle-East and this doesn't work if there is no threat.

  • Comment number 85.

    It will only achieve anything if Palestine agrees to everything that Israel wants. It sickens me the way that the world - led by the USA - turns a blind eye to the suffering of the Palestinian people. What will it take to open everyones eys to the tyrrany of the extreme right-wing that is the Israeli establishment?

  • Comment number 86.

    Israel doesn't want peace.
    It wants more land for Eretz Israel.
    The talks are just a sop to the Americans, to make Clinton look as if she is doing something useful in the area.

  • Comment number 87.

    83. At 00:29am on 21 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:
    ref #76
    You might find many Arab states speak regularly with Hamas...
    (Just proves that Arab states are unwilliness to take steps for prace in the middle east)

    I dont expect you to realise this though, the same person who posts rubbish regarding the U.N. being the appeaser of terrorists can never see the 'real' picture.

    (The U.N who has a human rights council who only targets Israel ignoring major human rights violations around the world?)

    Its a good job that isnt the case though, isnt it? After all, the many, many cases of 'alleged' war crimes by Israel would surely have been answerable.

    "Instead..the U.N. has barely even bothered to investigate them.
    (You mean like the bias and discredited Goldstone report?)"

    ______________________________________________________________
    Only targets Israel? Hmmm

    Goldstone report. Discredited by whom? Again you have not a single shred of evidence for your ridiculously biased post.
    Discredited by the terrorist state of Israel perhaps, but, America excepted, supported by almost everyone else.

    But your country appreciates your gesture, I'm sure

  • Comment number 88.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 89.

    80. At 00:21am on 21 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:
    "Well we can see the bias of the BBC on BBC America Israel security was not considered one of the 3 major issues.

    The advanatage the Palestinian have instead of the even handed U.S broker tht the U.S has been historicly.

    The current President is obsessed with moslem outreach.

    Like many of the ignorant posters he does not see the threat of islamic zenophobes like Hamas"

    ____________________________________________________________________


    The most singularly biased, one-sided posting yet in this debate, with not a single shred of evidence to back it up. So the "bias of the BBC" is clearly on your side magickrik.

    Substantiate "the current president is obsessed with moslem outreach".



  • Comment number 90.

    If anyone bothered to read the Old Testament book of Ezekiel...it foretells what Israel borders will be when the Messiah comes in the last days following the decimation of the Anti-Christ's armies and the land of Israel is re-allocated to the Twelve Tribes...this tells me that a lasting solution between Jews and Palestinians is not really going to happen...short-term maybe something will happen...long-term probably not!

  • Comment number 91.

    No of course it won't achieve anything because Israel is really a colony of the USA!

  • Comment number 92.

    83. At 00:29am on 21 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:

    ref #76
    You might find many Arab states speak regularly with Hamas...
    (Just proves that Arab states are unwilliness to take steps for prace in the middle east)

    I dont expect you to realise this though, the same person who posts rubbish regarding the U.N. being the appeaser of terrorists can never see the 'real' picture.

    (The U.N who has a human rights council who only targets Israel ignoring major human rights violations around the world?)

    Its a good job that isnt the case though, isnt it? After all, the many, many cases of 'alleged' war crimes by Israel would surely have been answerable.

    Instead..the U.N. has barely even bothered to investigate them.
    (You mean like the bias and discredited Goldstone report?)

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    heres a scenario for you..since youre clearly indoctrinated to the point you come across as the pro-Israeli alternative of the average Hamas member.

    Imagine it is now the year lets say..2120..and Hamas are in the position Israels currently in and the Israelis are in the current position of Hamas;

    with your mentality that everything Israel currently does is legit and only in self-defense..would it then be acceptable for Hamas to do to the Israelis what Israel currenly does to Hamas?

    Would a rocket that lands miles from residential areas in Hamas' territory justify Hamas sending columns of tanks into Israeli territory?

    Would Israeli children throwing stones at Hamas' armoured personnel carriers justify shooting at Israeli children?

    At the same time of this happening, if the U.N. was still functioning in its present form..would over-looking this event be acceptable to the Israelis or would it be deemed biased?

    We both know it wouldnt be acceptable. Just like it isnt acceptable in its current form.

  • Comment number 93.

    I don't know why anyone even bothers with that lot.
    Lotsa guns and lotsa religion = third world disaster zone.
    Hell will freeze over before they get any lasting peace.

    Then there's the water issue:
    Around 50% of Israels water comes from occupied territory...so there's not much hope of that being handed back...oops.

    Then there's the Democracy and Economic revival issue:
    Lebanon was well on the way to becoming a viable democracy, the only real one in the entire middle east.
    One soldier gets kidnapped on the border...and Israel turns the ENTIRE COUNTRY into a pile of rubble.

    I wouldn't waste my time, there's far more hope for a resolution in...Afghanistan than Palestine.

    You always know when the USA mid-terms are due because this dead Middle East horse gets a good flogging by the media.

    ...it's a dead donkey guys, leave it be.

  • Comment number 94.

    ref #92
    heres a scenario for you..since youre clearly indoctrinated to the point you come across as the pro-Israeli alternative of the average Hamas member.

    Imagine it is now the year lets say..2120..and Hamas are in the position Israels currently in and the Israelis are in the current position of Hamas;
    ___________

    In your scenario Hamas would attempt Hitler's final solution.

    Why is it so hard for Israeli haters to recognize that Israel has made peace with two Arab nations and honored the agreement.

    While the Palestinians have not honored one with Israel?

  • Comment number 95.

    11. At 9:07pm on 20 Aug 2010, Im RIGHT your WRONG wrote:
    Yep it is Ironic that nobody will listen to Hamas as they are deemed a terrorist group.
    Was Nelson Mandella demmed a terrorist by the south african goverment at one time?

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    BIG DIFFERENCE....

    I dont recall Nelson Mandella ever killing inncocent white people or proposing to ever do so.

  • Comment number 96.

    Peace happened - by and large - in Northern Ireland - because there was political will , and mainly because the key problems were addressed

    Even setting aside the interfering nature of the USA - which never helps in teh middle east , in my view the two sides hate each other too much to co-exist



  • Comment number 97.

    94. At 01:21am on 21 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:

    "In your scenario Hamas would attempt Hitler's final solution."

    --------------------------------------

    Paranoia much?

  • Comment number 98.

    94. At 01:21am on 21 Aug 2010, MagicKirin wrote:

    ref #92
    heres a scenario for you..since youre clearly indoctrinated to the point you come across as the pro-Israeli alternative of the average Hamas member.

    Imagine it is now the year lets say..2120..and Hamas are in the position Israels currently in and the Israelis are in the current position of Hamas;
    ___________

    In your scenario Hamas would attempt Hitler's final solution.

    Why is it so hard for Israeli haters to recognize that Israel has made peace with two Arab nations and honored the agreement.

    While the Palestinians have not honored one with Israel?

    -----------------------------------------------------------

    Now were making progress.

    So if reversed you are saying the Palestinians would be commiting genocide/ethnic cleansing of the Israelis/Jewish people.

    Then clearly, with your own recognition, Israels current actions towards the palestinians are similar, if not the same, to the actions of the Nazis towards jews in nazi germany?

    I dont know why you think its 'anti israel' to point out the obvious similarity.

    In fact, it should be the duty of every Jewish man and woman alive to point out that they are now going down the same path as hitler did during Germanys dirty Nazi years.

  • Comment number 99.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 100.

    ref #89

    Perhaps if you read the news

    The Cairo speech
    The disrespect on Netanyahu's first visit
    The Nasa moslem outreach

 

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