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How concerned are you about your sexual health?

06:39 UK time, Wednesday, 25 August 2010

There were almost half a million new cases of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) in the UK last year, according to the Health Protection Agency. Is the safe sex message failing?

The rise is in part due to more testing, and the use of tests which are more sensitive at picking up signs of an infection - but experts believe unsafe sexual behaviour is also part of the story.

Health ministers said they would look at what more could be done to increase young people's awareness of risks.

What should be done to make people more aware of the risks of unsafe sex? Do stories like this make you more conscious of your sexual health? Is there adequate access to screening and health clinics? How worried are you about STIs?

Thank you for your comments. This debate is now closed.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    You have to love britain and our people.

    Overpaid do gooders railroading the rights of parents, taking their roadshow to every school and now wanting to target primary schools. Why don't they just start handing out free STD's to the over 11's.

    You Empower the child to make choices you don't make them for them, when these clown realise sex education is more to do with the phycological aspects and needs of the children, than what is between their legs

    Would you let a gas fitter go looking for a gas leak with a match, only in britain would we let peer pressure force our children into gaining a STD

  • Comment number 2.

    Cue for liberals to start parroting the need for more sex education. But we have more sex education now than ever before and it starts at a younger age and is more graphically detailed then it has ever been. And the result – a massive increase, to record breaking levels, of STDs in young people.

    I don’t claim to have the answer but it clearly isn’t more sex education.

  • Comment number 3.

    Is the safe sex message failing? Well it would appear so wouldn't it! I expect there will be a report next week saying that the over 70's are getting STI's as well just so the kids don't think they're being picked on. However, the simple fact is that it has been increasing in this age group for years, the problem of course is that the facebook generation don't regard it as a problem, or not they're problem anyway, they have been brought up with this attitude of entitlement and therefore the tab for any damage they do to thmeselves will be picked up by the UK tax payer i.e the NHS.

    Like alcohol this is a disaster waiting to happen, many of these kids just have no idea about anything at all, and fully expect the NHS to make them better. I can't understand this attitude, and I believe that many in the NHS that have to deal with this selfish generation are of the same opinion.

    Perhaps the answer is for self inflicted diseases are paid for the the carrier, before treatment, and if they can't afford it, then their names are published in the press sp that everyone knows what a nuisance they are?

    Of course there is adequate screening, its just that these kids think they're above everyone else, besides, you can't get pregnant and therefore get your benefits if you're practising safe sex can you.

  • Comment number 4.

    How concerned are you about your sexual health?

    Given the length of the period of involuntary celibacy i've been living under - not at all.

  • Comment number 5.

    How concerned are you about your sexual health?

    The question appears to make a number of assumptions about the reader, and if taken literally would give information of little use at all, such as "20% are very worried, 50% a bit bothered and 30% couldn't care less".

    We already know from the figures what the position must be in this regard.

    One thing in which the questioner does not appear interested at all is what people with any insight might have to say about dealing with the STI problem.

  • Comment number 6.

    Although i should add that I'm slightly concerned that my plumbing may actually backfire at some point...

  • Comment number 7.

    Its like trying to transport a pair of spacehoppers wherever i go...

  • Comment number 8.

    Its worth noting Solomonsdogs, that in fact STIs ARE increasing in the older population. The theory is that a group who, perhaps being in a long term relationship for many years, due to being divorced or widowed find themselves single again at the age of 50+ and having a kind of "second youth" taking advantage of the sexually liberal culture now which did not exist when they were teenagers. This again is evidence of modern liberal culture with regards to sex being a significant factor.

  • Comment number 9.

    I knew alabout sex and transmitted diseasea when I left school over 50 years ago. What my parents didn't tell me, I learnt from other kids.
    There has to be something radically wrong with todays youngsters if they aren't aware of the risks. It's blasted at them from every direction.
    With easy access to contraception, morning after pills,abortion on demand,is it any wonder that kids don't take responsibility for their actions. We actually encourage them to take risks.

  • Comment number 10.

    Nothing needs to be done in respect of awareness, people are well aware of the risks and that's part of the problem. Everyone knows the risks and knows that these infections are (relatively) easy to treat, therefore the risk is not great. If your attitude is that an infection can be treated like a dose of flu whats the problem? Might get pregnant? There's the morning after pill. Are pregnant? Abortion. The risks of unprotected sex are not as great as they were so people are prepared to take the risk.

    Adequate access to screening and Health Clinics? No idea, I've had the same partner for over 25 years and have never had a need for such facilities. No, I'm not worried about STI's.

  • Comment number 11.

    Its all very well mentioning the increase of sex education in schools, but this is NOT a COMPLETE fact.

    I wonder if the rise has any relation to the rise/growth of number of religious schools, whereby sex education is as archaic as the ark itself.

    In Africa, continuous growth of attrocious health problems are directly linked to religions and their refusal to educate about or even accept condoms.

    Its all very well saying more people have STIs, but please at least research and publish relative and important information, including specific groups, whether white young, other races, even religious beliefs, which are ALL important. The other week it was reported that there was a growth of STIs in older people.

    Lets start having some decent relative facts, and not just a bunch of numbers.

    I've never had an STI.

  • Comment number 12.

    More testing will produce more positives - so that has to be taken into account - and what do 1&2 suggest we do? Nothing?

    Why is it that anyone concerned is a 'do-gooder'?

    Anyway - one thing I noticed whilst at uni (aged 33-37) was that the lads didn't need to do an awful lot to get a girl to sleep with them. Just ask seemed to be the way. When I was their age, you had to work at it! Maybe teaching teenagers about self-esteem and not giving yourself away for nothing might be one way to go.

    Oh yes I'm a do-gooder and glad. Better than being a 'do-nothing as I'm alright er'.

  • Comment number 13.

    More testing will produce more positives - so that has to be taken into account as the report says.

    Why is it that anyone concerned is a 'do-gooder'?

    Anyway - one thing I noticed whilst at uni (aged 33-37) was that the lads didn't need to do an awful lot to get a girl to sleep with them. Just ask seemed to be the way. When I was their age, you had to work at it! Maybe teaching teenagers about self-esteem and not giving yourself away for nothing might be one way to go.

    Oh yes I'm a do-gooder and glad. Better than being a 'do-nothing as I'm alright er'.

  • Comment number 14.

    When did we start calling Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STD's) Infections.

    Infection implies it's alike a cold, something you can pop down the chemist or Tesco's and by some medication.

  • Comment number 15.

    There's something wrong with the web site - says something about already been said in post 1, then posts the comment anyway. Please sort it out BBC.

  • Comment number 16.

    Cease sex education immediately. What a lot of absolute tosh! In this world full of left wing do-gooder, liberal pansies, what do we need this nonsense for. We never had such a waste of time when we were at school, 50 or so years ago, and we found out what to do, as did the early cave men! We will be telling them how to use toilet paper next! Teenagers deserve what they get, as they have no moral scruples whatsoever, following in the footsteps of their parents. Don't treat them on the NHS, but let them pay privately for their disease. Why should precious resources be diverted from real, and genuine sickness, to deal with the likes of some teenagers who, with their "sex education", should know better!

  • Comment number 17.

    'How concerned are you about your sexual health?

    Given the length of the period of involuntary celibacy i've been living under - not at all.'

    Tremendously funny Nok. I escaped involuntary celibacy using the the paid for web dating sites. There are free ones but they tend to be full of time wasters. I always apply a condom for protection from sexual disease. (!)

  • Comment number 18.

    A very recent documentary series on Channel 4 (The Hospital) revealed the attitude of many young people to their sexual health, cosmetic surgery, obesity and alcohol. There is a widespread feeling that they can and therefore should do anything they like, without fear of the consequences for themselves or cost to the tax payer or adverse effects on others. They are ignorant, stupid, inconsiderate and then demanding of the NHS to act as a safety net and cure all for their excesses.

    This reflects a complete failure of parents and schools to teach a sense of moral responsibility to themselves, to others and to the society that nurtures and protects them. It also reflects the attitude of the media that young people consume that sexual attractiveness and success is the sole indicator of social status.

    At the same time as giving children information about sex, STDs, pregnancy, (which must include drumming into their heads that a condom must be used on each and every occasion), they should be confronted with the health, social and economic effects of failure to act in a responsible way. Show them in graphic detail what STDs are like and how lifelong health may be damaged. Have older people who now bitterly regret their behaviour, lecture them on what can happen if they ignore safe sex messages.

    AIDS is now on the increase in young people, but there is a view that even this serious disease is no longer a threat and can be cured with a pill. Young people have to be shocked out of this belief.

    Yet schools and hesalthcare professionals talk to these young people as if their 'lifestyle choice' is legitimate and worthy of respect. They send the message to young people that they are entitled to support for whatever behaviour they choose, and deserve to be helped with every resource available to regain their health so that they can go out and sleep around without fear of the consequences once again. This is a terrible and unnecessary drain on limited NHS resources.

    Children have to be brought up to fully understand and genuinely fear the consequences to themselves and others of unsafe sex as well as alcohol excess, as the two often go together. A tough love approach must be taken.

  • Comment number 19.

    Well done to all the easy sex loving Liberals, you must all be feeling very proud of yourselves today.
    This is what you get when our society turns it back on sensible Christian teachings and values.

  • Comment number 20.

    No matter the rights and wrongs of the issue the picture showing a factory worker inspecting 10-pin bowling sized skittlesque condoms will probably do more to discourage young men from using them than anything else!

  • Comment number 21.

    Like most other health issues which crop up on "Have Your Say", the biggest factor contributing to it is the carelessness and stupidity of the individual. Things started to go downhill from the 1960s when we entered "The Age of Sloppy Behaviour". It effects many aspects of our lives right down to dropping litter.

  • Comment number 22.

    In all honesty I am only worried for those who are at risk. Being celibate makes ones life a great deal easier - but we do miss the hugs.

  • Comment number 23.

    "How concerned are you about your sexual health?"

    Not at all.

    There are a lot of people who really need to wake up and realise we live in a free society. We want, need, the information, clearly discriminating fact from theory (far too many 'experts' carelessly [deliberately?]talk as though speculative theory is proven fact). In a free society, we then make up our own minds and behave as we choose ... that's how freedom works.

    Clearly, there are ways of avoiding STIs. There are ways of reducing the risk of getting so called smoking related diseases. There are ways of reducing the chances of alcohol induced liver failure. There are ways of avoiding obesity induced heart and other diseases. There are ways of avoiding death and serious injury from motorbike racing. there are ways of avoiding broken limbs from falling off mountains. The list goes on .......

    Clearly, the various ways in which we can avoid 'damage' have limited appeal. Give us the facts please, Government and 'experts', and we'll decide how we want to lead our own lives. Tell us what to do and what not to do, and we'll tell you where to go!!!

  • Comment number 24.

    At 07:55am on 25 Aug 2010, scottishandproud wrote:...
    Always amuses when the term do-gooder is used as a derogatory way - I presume you are a do-badder then?

    Just remember children are not just a parents appendage but have a right to some independent educational information (a good thing me thinks considering the high percentage of drivel in your posting).

    Also, "The rise is in part due to more testing, and the use of tests which are more sensitive at picking up signs of an infection" - this of course can have a massive impact on the statistics - perhaps a bit more factual information on this would help reduce the hysteria...

  • Comment number 25.

    In response to: scottishandproud ....
    Always amuses when the term do-gooder is used as a derogatory way - I presume you are a do-badder then?

    Just remember children are not just a parents appendage but have a right to some independent educational information (a good thing me thinks considering the high percentage of drivel in your posting).

    Also, "The rise is in part due to more testing, and the use of tests which are more sensitive at picking up signs of an infection" - this of course can have a massive impact on the statistics - perhaps a bit more factual information on this would help reduce the hysteria...

  • Comment number 26.

    In response to: scottishandproud ....
    Always amuses when the term do-gooder is used as a derogatory way - I presume you are a do-badder then?
    Just remember children are not just a parents appendage but have a right to some independent educational information (a good thing me thinks considering the high percentage of drivel in your posting).
    Also, "The rise is in part due to more testing, and the use of tests which are more sensitive at picking up signs of an infection" - this of course can have a massive impact on the statistics - perhaps a bit more factual information on this would help reduce the hysteria...

  • Comment number 27.

    Firstly, we need a clear and structured programme of sex education in schools that has no influence from the 'religionistas' and that parents have no control over.

    Secondly, we need to abolish the age of consent and replace it with an age of PERMISSION which clearly states that under a certain age, you are NOT PERMITTED to have sexual relationships and that if you are over a certain age you are NOT PERMITTED to have sex with anyone under that age. This will stop the generation of 'kidults' breeding away merrily.

    Any infections of those under the age of permission must be reported and those infected prosecuted. The treatment for under aged STI should be private and not available on the NHS.

    Finally of course, we need to educate PARENTS in ways they can talk without embarassment about the very act they performed to bring their own offspring into existence.

  • Comment number 28.

    In response to #1:
    Always amuses when the term do-gooder is used as a derogatory way - I presume you are a do-badder then?
    Just remember children are not just a parents appendage but have a right to some independent educational information (a good thing me thinks considering the high percentage of drivel in your posting).
    Also, "The rise is in part due to more testing, and the use of tests which are more sensitive at picking up signs of an infection" - this of course can have a massive impact on the statistics - perhaps a bit more factual information on this would help reduce the hysteria...

  • Comment number 29.

    I think the STI situation is a microcosm of the general lack of education (or the inability to process it) in the UK at the present moment in time. The 'record high exam results' fly in the face of what most people see in society. A general 'dumbing down' of the majority of people and an unawareness of life, history, etc., as dogma and mass culture predominate

  • Comment number 30.

    Once you read the 'story' behind this HYS you will realise that this is mostly a non-story. Once the adjustment is made for increased level of testing and more efficient testing the rise is almost nil. There is obviously still a problem, but it needs to be put into a long term context, perhaps a comparison with diseases caught by young men in National Service during the 1950's would give a good comparison.
    It is apparent that 'Education' as currently given fails, but that is true is most health education. There is no point condemning young, or other people for their activities, the problem has been around since Old Testament times. Better and more directed education is needed.
    As an instance, my own Sex Education during the 1960's mentioned a few STI's but chlamydia I do not remember. AS for preventative measures the only one mentioned was 'don't do it'.
    It was good advice and still works very well!

  • Comment number 31.

    Well, we've had a generation of people being told by liberals that anything goes, stigma is wrong, and someone will pick up the pieces for you if anything bad does happen to you.

    Anyone deviating from that orthodoxy has been seen by the liberals as Daily Mail closet fascists.

    Now the über-liberal BBC seems to be shocked that the inevitable has happened.

  • Comment number 32.

    This is what happens when you continuously plug there is 'no right or wrong'.

    They [those who propogate these lies] would not subject their own children to such but are happy to let others suffer the consequences of their own actions.

    The last 13 years can only be a deliberate ploy to destroy everything that is good, moral and wholesome (though I acknowledge we do not live in a perfect world).

    It really is up to the parents/extended family to educate their children and not leave them to the State who have no real interest in their physical and psychological well-being.

  • Comment number 33.

    This is what happens when you continuously plug there is 'no right or wrong'.

    They [those who propogate these lies] would not subject their own children to such but are happy to let others suffer the consequences of their own actions.

    The last 13 years can only be a deliberate ploy to destroy everything that is good, moral and wholesome (though I acknowledge we do not live in a perfect world).

    It really is up to the parents/extended family to educate their children and not leave them to the State who have no real interest in their physical, emotional and psychological well-being.

  • Comment number 34.

    This is what happens when you continuously plug there is 'no right or wrong'.

    They [those who propogate these lies] would not subject their own children to such but are happy to let others suffer the consequences of their own actions.

    The last 13 years can only be a deliberate ploy to destroy everything that is good, moral and wholesome (though I acknowledge we do not live in a perfect world).

    It really is up to the parents/extended family to educate their children and not leave them to the State who have no real interest in their physical and emotional well-being.

  • Comment number 35.

    This is what happens when you continuously plug there is 'no right or wrong'.

  • Comment number 36.

    "Chazz Trinder wrote:
    Cue for liberals to start parroting the need for more sex education. But we have more sex education now than ever before and it starts at a younger age and is more graphically detailed then it has ever been. And the result – a massive increase, to record breaking levels, of STDs in young people.
    I don’t claim to have the answer but it clearly isn’t more sex education."

    Oh dear, cue for the illiberal brigade to start parroting the need for less sex education. You make a direct connection ("the result") between sex education and an increase in STDs, but you have no proof of that whatsoever. No one can demonstrate a causal link, because there isn't one. Just repeating what someone says in the right-wing press doesn't make it true. Sex education in general in the UK is far less than in some other European countries who have fewer pregnancies, STDs etc. than we do.
    The answer is VERY likely to be more, not less sex education.

  • Comment number 37.

    Maybe a contributory factor is the price of condoms - I notice that the charges on vending machines in toilets at pubs and supermarkets have almost quadrupled in the last two years (well in the Gents anyway!). And these are the only source of that necessity at the end of a 'good night out'. I have no doubt the prices in discos and night clubs are even higher.

    Clearly the firms who invest in these facilities have to make a profit. But have prices now been over-inflated in order to 'cash in' on the Government's STI warning campaigns? Perhaps the strategy could be for the NHS to run these machines (especially in venues frequented by young people) or supply the products at a reduced cost to the vendors thus minimising the cost of protection against STIs. Yes, there are free condoms at STI clinics, but they aren't open at 'chucking-out time'

  • Comment number 38.

    Perhaps we need to abandon the 'Safe Sex' message in favour of more abstinence.

    Perhaps we need to go back to calling them STD's rather than STI's - "Disease" after all, is a far more hard hitting word that 'infection'.

    I agree with Chazz (Msg 2) re sex education. I know a teacher who teaches 'Personal and Social Education'. She tells me that it's virtually a How To Do It guide. We appear to have the most sexually educated/aware kids in the world combined with the highest teenage/unwanted pregnancy rate anywhere outside of the USA. Must tell us something?

  • Comment number 39.

    I'm more concerned about the recent dumbing down of HYS than STIs.

  • Comment number 40.

    The pharmacological companies' obsession with finding new antibiotics is misguided. Trying to fight organisms that can evolve with things that can't has simply led to those organisms becoming more and more resistant. This applies not just to STIs, but to all pathogenic organisms. Research into living organisms that attack bacteria and viruses and themselves evolve as fast as their target is what is urgently needed. Bacteriophages are one class of such organisms that has been known for decades, yet little research into 'breeding' them and into methods of producing them in adequate quantities has been done.

  • Comment number 41.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 42.

    The increase in HIV amongst the complacent heterosexual population is very worrying.

  • Comment number 43.

    Yes I am concerned so now move on. What is the matter BBC. You hardly present any news on this site, main headline lasts all day, and HYS has such a shortage of topics.
    Running short of ideas: well, while you retrain the moderators try another bash at climate change. And there must be many groups of the undeserving poor that can be used to whip up HYS indignation.

  • Comment number 44.

    Leave our children alone. Let them enjoy their time as children. They should be playing, not having sex education forced down their throats. The more you tell someone about things, the more they want to discaover it.
    I never had a sex lesson at school until I was 14.
    There was a better society in the 60's. Where oh where has it all gone wrong.
    I know, when big brother state started getting "experts" to tell us what we should and should not be doing and then interfering in our lives.

  • Comment number 45.

    How concerned am I about my sexual health?

    Very greatly indeed, I am only 72 and just don't seem to have the energy and go that I used to possess, should I consult my GP?

  • Comment number 46.

    I just have to comment on this… this… deeply intelligent contribution to the debate:

    "LordP wrote:
    This is what happens when you continuously plug there is 'no right or wrong'.
    They [those who propogate these lies] would not subject their own children to such but are happy to let others suffer the consequences of their own actions.
    The last 13 years can only be a deliberate ploy to destroy everything that is good, moral and wholesome (though I acknowledge we do not live in a perfect world).
    It really is up to the parents/extended family to educate their children and not leave them to the State who have no real interest in their physical, emotional and psychological well-being."

    Amazing: your post is wrong in every statement, every detail!
    1) Evidence and citations please for your outrageous assertion that there are influential people around saying "there is no right or wrong". Who? Where? When? How do you know? Who told you? This is just a typical Mail-style smear tactic, isn't it. You go on to say "These lies…" but there is a total absence of truth in your assertion, which you set up just to knock it down.

    2) 'The last 13 years can only be a deliberate ploy to destroy everything that is good, moral and wholesome'. What, REALLY? Brown's fault again, eh. What about the EU and people on benefits, don't they come into it too? If you sincerely believe that the last Labour government had a deliberate, diabolical and surely illegal plan to destroy everything good, in other words to promote evil, literally, then perhaps you should contact a newspaper with your proof, because that would be the story of a lifetime! If, on the other hand, you don't sincerely believe it, why are you writing it on here? You mention 'lies' above. If what you have written isn't true, then what would be your word for what you have written?

    3) Once again, bald assertion masquerading as argument. Could it not POSSIBLY be the case that the kids with pregnancies, STDs etc. come from families who precisely do NOT have any 'real interest in their physical, emotional and psychological well-being'? And if they don't, should we just leave those kids in ignorance, prey to the tabloids' dubious moral standards, Big Brother public dysfunctionality and the stupid pressures of their lumpen peer-groups?

  • Comment number 47.

    Gotta love cliches?!
    Nowhere does it states in the question about young people.
    STI's are increaseing due to:
    * Divorce being more prevlant and older people thinking they are immune.
    * More ethnic minorites seeking refuge from countries where they do not use condoms.
    * More people seeking help and going to GUM clinics.
    It is not just young people. I am 20 and me and all of my friends are extremely safe when it comes to using protection.

    And in response to Wyn, it is because unlike in other Developed countries etc. USA teenagers are still told that sex is dirty and bad and wrong etc. This leads to them not wanting to contact their GP or go to the chemists to buy condoms.
    Most other developed countries talk about it, as it is..a natural and human need that is brilliant in a loving relationship, and they treat their children more like adults. Hence they feel comfortable asking about protection and their is less peer pressure and more waiting until you are in a relationship.

  • Comment number 48.

    Cameron and Education secretary Michael Gove specifically seek to INCREASE "faith"/theological indoctrination schools in UK.

    The sexual education policys of these schools are actually excused from non-religious sex education.

    In an interview with The Jewish Chronicle, Mr Cameron says that he considers himself “really lucky” that his daughter, Nancy, goes to a top Church of England school.

    He continues: “I think that faith schools are a really important part of our education system and they often have a culture and ethos which helps to drive up standards.

    “If anything, I would like to see faith schools grow."


    About a third of the country’s maintained schools are faith schools, the number of faith schools in UK/England grew dramatically due to Tony Blairs own religious preferences.

    In the most part, these schools REJECT informative sex education and basically teach that sex outside of marriage is bad.

    In the most part, these schools by their very nature teach discrimination, and they refute/reject so much truth/facts/common sense/science.

    Hence, with the recent growth of "faith schools"/religious indoctrination schools, hence the same relative growth in non-informative and theological based sex education in these schools, would it not be a good/better idea to actually research and provide relevent facts/statistics regarding IMPORTANT population demographics, especially relative to these schools instead of just basicaly just an open ended statistic which actually does minimum/little to provide important and relevent information for specific groups within society.

    Already, recently, we have learnt of state protection of Catholicism, regarding child abuse and now even terrorism in N Ireland.

    It is a fact, that "faith " schools are endowed with protections which enables them to behave and teach outside of the general standards and curriculum of England education especially in which they do not teach the national sex education curriculum.

    A growing reality and fact is that due to growth of number of taxpayer funded "faith" schools, many parents either have to choose these schools or choose others which are much greater distanct proximity from their homes, especially primary education.

    The pretentiousness of use of these schools by the general population is born out and factually evident in relative and corresponding low numbers who actually attend church, as if parents were endowed with such faith as per percentage of "faith" schools pupil numbers, then factually, churches in England/UK would have much greater attendance.

    To further validate my points, I just point to the problems, health issues, especially AIDS/HIV and others in Africa and other areas of the world, where "faith" indoctrination is very prelevent and much moreso than England/UK.

    I personally believe that there is a link between "faith" education and rising numbers of a range of social problems, for the basic reasoning that "faith" education, systematically fails to prepare more and more young people for the REALITYS of REAL life.

  • Comment number 49.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 50.

    STDs increase again this year.

    Just like A Level and GCSE results, then!

    Oh well, at least we'll score well in a european table for something.

  • Comment number 51.

    Everybody should be concerned about the raise in STD's .Which government's Watch did this happen then ? New Labour .

    Given that and the obsession the last government had in data collection and targets . it is therefore surprizing that these STD figures have only just come to light !

    I don't know a great deal about STDs. Therefore it would be interesting to see the data broken down into age groups,types of STD, sexual preference etc . it would help those group to be more aware .
    How does this data compare with the rest of the EU and indeed the world ?


  • Comment number 52.

    Not at all. I don't play around.

  • Comment number 53.

    I'm not worried. can HYS pick more important subjects please.

  • Comment number 54.

    Back when I was a teenager (in the late 70's) I remember being shown an extremely graphic film about the effects of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (and I mean full technicolour close ups).

    This has stayed both with me and all of my friends that saw it - we all feel this informed and directed our approach to sexual health as well has frightening the living daylights out of us all. (30+ years later I can still close my eyes and see certain pictures).

    One of those friends is now a biology teacher who covers sex education for teenagers. She has a copy of the film but is unable to show it to them as "it may upset & offend them".

    Seriously is it better for teenagers to catch siphilus than be upset or offended?

    Unless people understand the full impact & effects of STI's why would they take them seriously?

  • Comment number 55.

    It breaks my heart that we teach children these things when they are so young. I see it in my kids school, they are encouraged to take an adult view of everything. Kids are not supposed to know things adults know - that's the way it works. If we pile all this information on them and try to teach them responsibility when they're clearly not able to cope with it, then we reap the results of what we sow. If we teach children about sex, is it any wonder they go off to experiment when we've made it so graphic and obvious what needs to be done? It's the fault of adults that children end up in this mess.

  • Comment number 56.

    I'm not worried.Now lets move on and have more important subjects on HYS.

  • Comment number 57.

    This has nothing to do with a lack of education in my opinion it is the massive decline in moral standards and huge increase in general promiscurity.

    It wasn't that long ago english gils were regarded as the best in the world, respectable, elegant, classy etc and that has been replaced very quickly to being the easiest and most promiscious in the world. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course but when you have very pretty young girl coming into my office stating with pride that she slept with 7 members of the local rugby team in one night and also another who calls you a weirdo for not sleeping with married women, is anyone suprised STI's are increasing.

    There is no fun in chasing women anymore because you dont need to basically, everything is served to you on a silver plate.

    But, just to balance out this statement men these days are are not that far behind. One collegue loves sleeping with married women who he does on average of 2-3 times per week. He claims within minutes of talking to a married woman she will state that her husband is boring, which in his eyes is the come-on indicator.

    Personally, I don't need to worry about STI's because I don't feel the desperate need to sleep around. In this day and age though I suppose that does make me a little strange.

  • Comment number 58.

    I work in an HIV department and we're finding an increase in men in their forties and upward who are finding they're HIV positive. Various reasons are put forward about but I feel sex education is the key one - some of these men seem genuinely bemused as to why they could possibly get HIV.

    But every time the issue of sex education is discussed there's a number of people who will get on to forums such as this and say look at this nanny state, leave it to the parents etc - leading to yet another generation of people scared, misinformed and ignorant about sex. I spoke recently to a health promotion worker who gives talks at schools about sex and who told me that even the teachers, including those in faith schools, betray astonishing ignorance to her. Sex education should be started as early as possible by professionals, the aim being to make every child in this country knowledgeable about sex, pregnancy, STIs and, importantly, relationships, in order for the state not having to pay for problems resulting from these later. There should be no opt-outs for sex education in schools - if we can teach children about Hitler without feeling they will subsequently invade Poland, we can teach children about sex without feeling they will become automatically promiscuous.

    My personal feeling is that life is rather grey and dull for a lot of people, particularly but not exclusively the young, and some of them deal with this by various risky behaviours - such things as drug taking, drink, driving fast, tombstoning, and yes, bareback sex. It's clear many of them know they shouldn't, but they do. It's not quite so certain whether all young people know that there are some STIs such as HIV which are incurable and life-threatening, and life-changing if they should contract it.

  • Comment number 59.

    37. At 09:37am on 25 Aug 2010, WrekinAir wrote:
    Maybe a contributory factor is the price of condoms...

    -----------------

    Your post is the only one with a practical suggestion so far. Having become single again a few months ago, I was shocked at the cost of condoms. Personally I can afford them, and while everyone should consider it a necessary expense if they are going to have sex, it is not hard to imagine that the cost could put people off especially if they already have some form on contraception. While people will respond by saying that they can be got free from clinics, this is far more embarrasing than buying them anonimously from a shop or vending machine.

    It will not solve the problem on its own, but ready availability of cheap condoms could help

  • Comment number 60.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 61.

    Just work on the basis that nobody cares about anything anymore and that`s your answer .

  • Comment number 62.

    "It breaks my heart that we teach children these things when they are so young." (WorkingGal) Why's that? - we don't have a problem about teaching them adult things such as reading and writing or maths or history.

    Sex education is not there to encourage children to have sex, any more than teaching about fire encourages people to commit arson - it's to explain what is this important thing you're going to come across in your life, and discuss the pitfalls. What else is school there for?

    However, the sex bit is the easy bit: it's at least as important to follow up in secondary school and teach about relationships - such issues as not feeling pressured about sex, that it's not a way to make your boyfriend love you etc.

  • Comment number 63.

    Being a young person myself I know a number of people who have caught STDs and overall they do not feel it is a big deal. Many young people don't see a problem as most STDs can easily be treated, they think of it in the same way as any other type of infection. It is socially acceptable for people to have multiple sexual partners and with this comes the increased risk of STDs. People know this. Promoting safe sex will do nothing to help as in a lot of cases people are under the influence of alcohol whilst having unprotected sex meaning all common sense goes out of the window. There always seems to be a simple solution, STDs can be treated and unwanted pregnancies can be dealt with almost immediately. Tests can be ordered online and there are more than enough clinics, in my area, for sexual health problems. I'm currently awaiting results from a test myself. I think that if people were aware of what STDs actually do and the effects they can have then they might think twice; simply telling people to use a condom is not enough. Most young women on some form on contraception choose not to use protection as the only thing they're concerned about is getting pregnant.

  • Comment number 64.

    I had sexual education for the last three years of Primary school, then every year of highschool - that is 9 years of sex-ed. As in, my entire teenage life I was getting classes every week about sexual this and that. It's a bit like the news - the first time you see the horrific images of some atrocity on the TV you flinch, a dozen times down the line you are oblivious. There wasn't a single item in the sex-ed curriculum that really phased me, shocked me, made me cringe. It was about as hard hitting as a dry sponge. If they had spent that much time teaching people to cook it would have been far more beneficial.

    However, overall, I absolutely agree with the comment at #57 - we have a generation of kids who are not being brought up into moral responsibility. They are just doing whatever they feel like without consideration for others or the consequences - Acting like Kings and Queens of nothing.

  • Comment number 65.

    I'm not concerned about my own sexual health - I've been in a monogamous relationship for nearly 30 years!

    My daughter is 13 and we have had 'that conversation' already. At the moment she's minded to wait, there isn't that special someone in her life yet anyway. She enjoyed the Channel 4 sex ed programmes, which ought probably to be shown in schools at about Y8.

    I used to tutor sixth form (16-19) and the message I gave them was to be really, really certain that both they and whoever they wanted to Do It with were sure that it was what they wanted to do, and to take precautions, always including a condom whatever else was used, when they did so. And that if they were Doing It, to get themselves tested every time the chlamydia van came around... no matter how careful they thought they'd been. That's where being an 'old bag' helps, you can sit and talk about such things without embarassment on either side - they know you've seen it all before and can trust you.

    Still had a couple of unexpected pregnancies a year, though. The last two were a burst condom and an 'oops, we forgot'! What was really scary though was that these students had come to me before they'd told their Mums... and both were living at home with parents who knew that they were sexually active. Poor darlings: still, loving support got them both through.

  • Comment number 66.

    59. At 10:12am on 25 Aug 2010, And_here_we_go_again wrote:
    37. At 09:37am on 25 Aug 2010, WrekinAir wrote:
    Maybe a contributory factor is the price of condoms...

    -----------------

    Your post is the only one with a practical suggestion so far. Having become single again a few months ago, I was shocked at the cost of condoms. Personally I can afford them, and while everyone should consider it a necessary expense if they are going to have sex, it is not hard to imagine that the cost could put people off especially if they already have some form on contraception. While people will respond by saying that they can be got free from clinics, this is far more embarrasing than buying them anonimously from a shop or vending machine.

    It will not solve the problem on its own, but ready availability of cheap condoms could help

    ----------------------------------------------------------
    You can get free condoms.

    Whatever your age, even if you're under 16, you can get free condoms from community contraceptive clinics, sexual health and genitourinary medicine (GUM) clinics, some young people's services and some GP surgeries.

    A lot of universities also have free condom schemes.

  • Comment number 67.

    STIs increasing?
    Children exposed to ever more graphic and suggestive music videos and lyrics via Internet?
    Positive correlation? Obviously.

  • Comment number 68.

    I am getting a strange pop-up which says "You already said this in comment 1" - which is a) by someone else and b) is not what I am trying to say!

  • Comment number 69.

    While people will respond by saying that they can be got free from clinics, this is far more embarrasing than buying them anonimously from a shop or vending machine.
    ----------------------------------------

    Maybe that's the problem - people are embarrassed about buying condoms as their is a stigma over sex. It should be seen as being sensible, not wrong.

  • Comment number 70.

    67. At 10:31am on 25 Aug 2010, Nietzschean_Acolyte wrote:
    STIs increasing?
    Children exposed to ever more graphic and suggestive music videos and lyrics via Internet?
    Positive correlation? Obviously
    -----------------------------------------------

    But no evidence of a causal effect.

    You should get a job as a journalist.

  • Comment number 71.

    I don't know what's presently taught in sex education, so I'm making certain assumptions here. I think it may be that the focus is wrong.

    What should be taught is "relationship education". The emphasis should be on relationships and the psychological bonding between people. This, of course, needs parents to show loving relationships that are not solely based on physical, but on deeper understanding. In my opinion sexual encounters tend to happen because the children involved are looking for love and inclusiveness. If they are taught that deeper and more abiding relationships are not built on sex, but can include it further along the line as part of the overall inclusiveness, then the emphasis might turn from sex to other forms of relationship.

    I recall the Monty Python sketch about sex education. There was no emotion shown by the teacher and what the children would have learned is that sex is a matter-of-fact physical endeavour that is taken the same way as a Sunday constitutional. Being taught to love and to accept love should help children accept that sex is not some panacea.

  • Comment number 72.

    One thing that has mystified me over the last few years is that we are now in an age where most people have access to the internet and therefore are able to find more information about things than has ever been possible in the history of mankind. Yet we seem to have more ignorant people than we've ever had before (obviously I can only comment on the lack of intelligence in the UK). Tie that in with our kids supposedly becoming more intelligent as more and more pass their exams every year (usually having to use the internet to find information to help them pass) and you have to ask yourself how this is possible. Is it because of this obsession with Facebook that they think this is a good source of accurate information or is it because they are no longer taught how to use their initiative at school anymore that they are simply incapable of working out how to get the information they really need? Sex Ed for primary school kids is simply disgusting and the usual knee-jerk, incompetent reaction of politicians and sub-intelligent liberals who, usually, are unable to think things through to their logical conclusion - if anything they need to be taught about love and relationships in preparation rather than mechanics.

    I guess this is just 'progress' and I'm looking at things through middle-aged eyes but just seems like most things are getting worse rather than better - maybe the definition of the word Progress also got dumbed down by the Labour party and I just missed it or, to paraphrase Ali G, "Is it because I is old?".

  • Comment number 73.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 74.

    WrekinAir wrote:
    Maybe a contributory factor is the price of condoms...


    And_here_we_go_again
    Your post is the only one with a practical suggestion so far. Having become single again a few months ago, I was shocked at the cost of condoms. Personally I can afford them, and while everyone should consider it a necessary expense if they are going to have sex, it is not hard to imagine that the cost could put people off especially if they already have some form on contraception.



    You can get condoms for free from your GP or local sexual health clinic; all you've got to do is ask for them.

    The Brook medical centre is a good place to go for free information or if you just feel the need to talk to someone about sexual health and other personal issues;
    www.brook.org.uk

  • Comment number 75.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 76.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 77.

    My sexual health?

    Sadly it doesn't exist at the moment.

    I wish it was awful. At least it would be proof I HAD something to say about it.

  • Comment number 78.

    66. At 10:29am on 25 Aug 2010, coolhandpaul wrote:
    59. At 10:12am on 25 Aug 2010, And_here_we_go_again wrote:
    37. At 09:37am on 25 Aug 2010, WrekinAir wrote:
    Maybe a contributory factor is the price of condoms...

    -----------------

    Your post is the only one with a practical suggestion so far. Having become single again a few months ago, I was shocked at the cost of condoms. Personally I can afford them, and while everyone should consider it a necessary expense if they are going to have sex, it is not hard to imagine that the cost could put people off especially if they already have some form on contraception. While people will respond by saying that they can be got free from clinics, this is far more embarrasing than buying them anonimously from a shop or vending machine.

    It will not solve the problem on its own, but ready availability of cheap condoms could help

    ----------------------------------------------------------
    You can get free condoms.

    Whatever your age, even if you're under 16, you can get free condoms from community contraceptive clinics, sexual health and genitourinary medicine (GUM) clinics, some young people's services and some GP surgeries.

    A lot of universities also have free condom schemes.

    ---------------

    Did you read the comment? I said that you could get them free, but that many young people would find going to a clinic and asking for some far more embarrasing than just going to a shop and buying them (illogical but a true).

    Also as the original poster mentioned, you can not go to a clinic outside office hours so no good if you suddenly find yourself needing them late at night and were not previously prepared

  • Comment number 79.

    Can anyone please explain to me why 'Daily Mail' readers come in for such

    vitriol and hatred.

    Knownought

  • Comment number 80.

    Comment 1..I use "safety matches" to look for gas leaks...but the fact remains that sex education in the UK is woeful, all about the "Basic" physical not emotonal, or psychological , just..this goes here, this happens this does this that`s for that..OK.now, lets look at some plants......theyuse sex to reproduce as well.....
    Am I surprised at the number of STD`s ..absolutely not..compare it with the number of immigrants, legal and ollegal..I wonder if there`s a similarity in numbers !!!

  • Comment number 81.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 82.

    69. At 10:31am on 25 Aug 2010, coolhandpaul wrote:
    While people will respond by saying that they can be got free from clinics, this is far more embarrasing than buying them anonimously from a shop or vending machine.
    ----------------------------------------

    Maybe that's the problem - people are embarrassed about buying condoms as their is a stigma over sex. It should be seen as being sensible, not wrong.
    -----------------------

    Oh, you did notice my disclaimer. I totally agree, with your comment here.

    As an aside, congrats on getting post number 69 on the sex thread!

  • Comment number 83.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 84.

    #63 douglase. I felt very sad reading this. So many young people don't feel that STDs are a big deal and there are always NHS clinics to remedy these. ??? I am probably getting exceedingly old and crabby but it does feel a bit like taking your car to the garage for an oil change. Of course many young people are going to have sex. But where is the responsibility and perhaps long term health consequences? Ah, yes, the NHS can cope. For now.

  • Comment number 85.

    39. At 09:43am on 25 Aug 2010, ady wrote:
    I'm more concerned about the recent dumbing down of HYS than STIs.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    So I am not alone! Cant remember the last time a real story appeared here!

  • Comment number 86.

    "Will The Con/Libdem Government be putting V.A.T. on it?

  • Comment number 87.



    So I am not alone! Cant remember the last time a real story appeared here!

  • Comment number 88.

    On sex education I think that we should adopt the continental practice of teaching emotions as well as the mechanics of sex. That, in itself, will give people greater empathy.

    As to wider societal attitudes, the commentator in the piece mentioned confidence. That I believe is a direct result of our "too safe" approach to life. People drive their children to school rather than let them go to school under their own power.

    Self confidence comes from experiencing risks and knowing limites. Negotiation skills start in play when children have to learn to negotiate access to things (sometimes with the assistance of parents/siblings).

    We must also bear in mind that most young adults try to rebel against their upbringing to a certain extent so bringing them up in an extremely safety conscious way is going to encourage a little bit of risky behaviour. When people had a more balanced approach to risk (i.e. be safe but experience life) there wasn't much to rebel against.

  • Comment number 89.

    "1. At 07:55am on 25 Aug 2010, scottishandproud wrote:
    You have to love britain and our people.

    Overpaid do gooders railroading the rights of parents, taking their roadshow to every school and now wanting to target primary schools. Why don't they just start handing out free STD's to the over 11's."

    If, as you are inferring, the 'overpaid do-gooders' have created teenage promiscuity, then this reflects very badly on parenting standards in the UK. Who would have thought that teenage delinquency is caused by leaflet campaigns and biology lessons! If parents have less influence on their kids than a government pamphlet then I think this justifies much more government interference!

    We need to view this in context: Teenage promiscutiy is not new. Many of the laws protecting children were brought in by the Victorians in response to reports of children having sex with each other.

    When we are talking about under 16's, abstinence should always be the ideal. However until we can be confident that all teenagers are morally upstanding, self-disciplined, mature, sensible adults, then the best thing we can do is protect them from their own stupidity by making sure they are never without a condom.

  • Comment number 90.

    Re comment #1

    If, as you are inferring, the 'overpaid do-gooders' have created teenage promiscuity, then this reflects very badly on parenting standards in the UK. Who would have thought that teenage delinquency is caused by leaflet campaigns and biology lessons! If parents have less influence on their kids than a government pamphlet then I think this justifies much more government interference!

    We need to view this in context: Teenage promiscutiy is not new. Many of the laws protecting children were brought in by the Victorians in response to reports of children having sex with each other.

    When we are talking about under 16's, abstinence should always be the ideal. However until we can be confident that all teenagers are morally upstanding, self-disciplined, mature, sensible adults, then the best thing we can do is protect them from their own stupidity by making sure they are never without a condom.

  • Comment number 91.

    This is all due to a number of factors, most of which are due to poor education and poverty rather than any debauched amoral attitudes amongst the young.

    The way our society has changed over the last 30 years (I'm only 31, so I'm basing some of this on my own working class family background) means that families aren't so nuclear any more. Parents divorce more readily and some have to relocate many times to find suitable employment. This sort of disruption in childhood has been shown to have significant influence on the behaviour of youngsters, especially where the family is relatively poor.

    Our teenagers sad (but, apparently profitable) obsession with celebrity culture doesn't make it any easier. People grow up watching shows like X-Factor, Pop Idol, Big Brother and think that they can become famous and wealthy in their teens and never have to work a 'proper' job. The attitude that success doesn't have to be difficult is made worse by tabloid magazines publishing drivel about someone's new botox injections or pretty

  • Comment number 92.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 93.

    @ 74. At 10:37am on 25 Aug 2010, General_Jack_Ripper wrote:

    Nice copying of my comment intentionally leaving out the part where I state that I am very well aware that you can get free condoms so that you can then respond all knowingly that it is possible to get free condoms. Nice!

    The point was that for many people, especially young people, it is more embarrasing to have to go to a clinic and have to talk to someone and ask for condoms than to pick them off a shelf and buy them while making no eye contact with the cashier, and hence a reduction in the price of shop condoms could help (it will not solve the problem alone but may be a positive step)

    As coldhandpaul stated maybe the problem is that " people are embarrassed about buying condoms as their is a stigma over sex. It should be seen as being sensible, not wrong." Dealing with this stigma would also probably encourage more people to go to their local clinic

  • Comment number 94.

    Re comment 1

    If, as you are inferring, the 'overpaid do-gooders' have created teenage promiscuity, then this reflects very badly on parenting standards in the UK. Who would have thought that teenage delinquency is caused by leaflet campaigns and biology lessons! If parents have less influence on their kids than a government pamphlet then I think this justifies much more government interference!

    We need to view this in context: Teenage promiscutiy is not new. Many of the laws protecting children were brought in by the Victorians in response to reports of children having sex with each other.

    When we are talking about under 16's, abstinence should always be the ideal. However until we can be confident that all teenagers are morally upstanding, self-disciplined, mature, sensible adults, then the best thing we can do is protect them from their own stupidity by making sure they are never without a condom.

  • Comment number 95.

    Re comment 1

    If, as you are inferring, sex-ed has created teenage promiscuity, then this reflects very badly on parenting standards in the UK. Who would have thought that teenage delinquency is caused by leaflet campaigns and biology lessons! If parents have less influence on their kids than a government pamphlet then I think this justifies much more government interference!

    We need to view this in context: Teenage promiscutiy is not new. Many of the laws protecting children were brought in by the Victorians in response to reports of children having sex with each other.

    When we are talking about under 16's, abstinence should always be the ideal. However until we can be confident that all teenagers are morally upstanding, self-disciplined, mature, sensible adults, then the best thing we can do is protect them from their own stupidity by making sure they are never without a condom.

  • Comment number 96.

    The message is out there and it's generally accepted as a credible warning. If people chooose to ignore it you can't legislate for that...though no doubt someone will try.

  • Comment number 97.

    JohnGammon wrote: "Sex education is not there to encourage children to have sex, any more than teaching about fire encourages people to commit arson - it's to explain what is this important thing you're going to come across in your life, and discuss the pitfalls. What else is school there for?

    However, the sex bit is the easy bit: it's at least as important to follow up in secondary school and teach about relationships - such issues as not feeling pressured about sex, that it's not a way to make your boyfriend love you etc."

    First you asked why sex education so early breaks my heart. I'm the mother of four young children and I do not feel it appropriate that my 7 year old daughter knows what her vagina is for at this age. I do not feel it is right that she should ask me about boys sticking parts of their bodies into girls.

    You say teaching about fire does not encourage people to start them. I agree, but I teach my children about fire because it's dangerous. You could argue that sex is due to pregnancy but I do not expose my children in the home to sexual issues - fire I do, as I cook with it and in the summer we light BBQs - we don't go in the garden and have it away on the lawn for them to see! It's simply not the same set of principles.

    I do agree about the secondary schools teaching about peer pressure etc, but also as a parent it is my job to teach my child about morals, sex and relationships etc. I'm not saying sex education should be abandoned altogether, just a little more thought into the age at which it is introduced.

  • Comment number 98.

    @ And_here_we_go_again

    Yeah I did notice you'd put it in. I work for NHS so I can't help myself giving info out.

    As for the number - I did notice it and feel quite chuffed with myself about that.

  • Comment number 99.

    STIs mean 1 essential thing, a rise in treatment costs.

    A PURE FACT for the ignorant, there is actually and factually LESS sex education taught in England/Wales due to the insurgency/growth of numbers of "faith" schools which resulted from Tony Blairs own religious preferences which he then cast/inflicted upon England/Wales education system.

    Tony Blair, did not just inflict the UK with a war in Iraq, he also inflicted the growth of "faith" schools funded by taxpayers, of which the consequences due to these "faiths" theological beliefs, to my mind, are NOT condusive to a better society or even a more liberal/unbiased society, or even a realistic and sustainable society, because these schools inflict theological fantasy indoctrination on greater numbers of those who pass through their doors.

    Also, Cameron and even his education secretary of the same/similar faith belief, are FURTHER inflicting insurgence of religion upon young generations via their own education policys which specifically intend to inflict even greater growth of "faith" schools upon England/Wales.

    Many people thought US President Bush to be a bit of an extremist especially due to his "faith" religious beliefs.

    In UK, our politicians mainly hide behind a deceptive facade which tinkers upon stating their relative beliefs, in an offhand way and in factual reality, our whole nation is actually being formed and manipulated and twisted in conjunction to these beliefs.

    Cameron and Education secretary Micheal Gove, and others in government, basically believe in a mystical fantasy supernatural being with planet forming powers and who has a punishment zone filled with fire to punish non believers and naughty people for an eternity afflicted with horrendous pain and suffering.

    These people who believe in such things, which especially and most importantly refute and reject much truth, fact, history, science, and evidence, run our country, such people also basically run and control the world, or much of it, as in ex US president Bush and also US President Obama, who both also hold such beliefs.

    As previous mentioned, I personally believe growth of STIs in UK and other problems/issues is directly or indirectly linked to growth of "faith" schools/education and their rejection of educating the young which pass through their doors, with the sex education curriculum.

    According to these faiths, the world, and including STIs and even AIDS/HIV, is gods will.

  • Comment number 100.

    Personally I am not worried in the slightest, as a tad overweight almost middle aged bloke I am not exactly fighting them off on a regular basis! Besides the wife wouldnt approve!

    Where I am concerned is for my daughters, too young at the moment but...

    Perhaps it is time we looked at criminal charges for those who knowingly pass on infections, similar to those for passing on HIV. Make it some sort of duty of care to be disease free before you get down to it. Dont know how we could work it or enforce it, but it is an idea!

    As for my daughters, well a savage big dog and the rumour I may have brought an AK47 home with me at one time will have to do until someone can come up with a better idea than mine or make my idea idea law.

 

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