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Should smoking be banned in cars?

04:00 UK time, Wednesday, 24 March 2010

Smoking should be banned in all cars as well as in public places where young people congregate, doctors are urging. Do you agree?

The Royal College of Physicians wants England's upcoming review of anti-smoking laws to consider such measures to protect the young.

It says passive smoking results in 300,000 extra child visits to GPs in the UK every year for problems such as asthma and bacterial meningitis.

But driving and smoking lobby groups say cars are a "private space". The RCP is urging a blanket ban regardless of whether children or any other passengers are inside the vehicle.

Do you support a ban on smoking in all vehicles? Are you a smoker? Do you think these proposals are too extreme? Should children be shielded from the sight of adults smoking?


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  • Comment number 1.

    There are absolutely no figures for second hand smoking related diseases to engender blanket knee jerk bans like this. Far more pollution is caused by the cars themselves (in the region of times 10 plus). One celeb dies of what could be passsive smoking (most people with a mouth his shape smoke large cigars... so was he a non-smoker?) and the knee jerk nannies blame the rest of the society he chose to spend his time with for the nations' ills. I too have spent some forty years in the same smoke filled rooms and none the casualties I know have died of passive smoking. Lets ban the KJNannies and learn how to have fun again.

  • Comment number 2.

    The oft quoted studies used to qualify the original smoking ban were based on a WHO report into the effects of passive smoke on people living with smokers. The increase in the risk of cancer was from 10 in 100,000 to 12. This means that five out of six people who would have cought that cancer before the ban would still catch it afterwards. The confidence interval of the report was low and it actually appeared to show benefits to the children of smokers despite this clearly being ridiculous.

    Nevertheless the smoking laws were brought in banning people from smoking generally in places were children weren't allowed making many stay at home to smoke. On top of this smokers were driven out into the streets in full view of children thus normalising smoking even more than before. Now we have a team of doctors planning on banning smoking in a place were children are for only short periods of time.

    It is clear that if the studies are to be acted on then the place were smoking should be banned is in the home and people should be allowed other places to smoke. As such recent legislation is working completely the wrong way around. Of course if teh government were really concerned about the health risks of smoking the only answer is a complete ban on smoking.

    Neither of the above will ever happen. The Government won't tell people what to do in their private homes (and by extension should keep out of their private cars) and will never ban smoking outright because the £10 billion tax on tobacco products easily outweighs the £2 billion spent by the NHS on treating tobacco related illness even before savings in pension payments and long term care is taken into account.

    Smoking legislation is merely legislation to appease teh health stazi and make teh Government appear to be doing something when, in reality, they are merely protecting a tax source.

  • Comment number 3.

    What next? Will doctors come and wash us, dress us and feed us, and pop in later to tuck us into bed? It's bad enough having a government that wants to micromanage our lives, without the medical fraternity climbing on the bandwagon...

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  • Comment number 6.

    HEAR WE GO AGAIN THE DO GOODERS AT IT ALL THE WILE TELL YA WHAT BAN SMOKING EVERYWHERE BUT STILL SELL THEM IN THE SHOPS THRO CUS THERE TAXED UP TO THE HILT TALK ABOUT DOUBLE STANDERDS HOW MUCH ARE THE CURUPT GOVERMENT MAKING OUT OF TAX THROUG SMOKERS? WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH DOUBLE STANDERDS EVERY TIME

  • Comment number 7.

    I have no young and do not carry young persons anymore. In fact I am getting old but my once young son smokes himself so a blanket ban on smoking in cars would have no effect for me and many thousands of others I suspect. This smoking thing is getting ridiculous and petty.

  • Comment number 8.

    This will be yet another attack of our civil liberties. Don't these anti-smoking lobbyists realise that they're causing more harm with their anti-smoking views than the smokers are! Sounds mad? Think about it!

    More smokers can't go places (pubs/clubs/etc...) because of the smoking bans, so they're unhappy.
    The non-smokers aren't bothered by that, but they go to places where there would be more people and a better atmosphere if it wasn't for the smoking ban.
    Many pub and club owners are facing hard times because of the smoking ban(the price of alcohol doesn't help either!)so they're unhappy.
    No smoking rooms at work now, so you've got an already unhappy workforce even more unhappy.
    If you include this new proposal, then we'll have a very cheesed off nation indeed.
    Depression rates are quite high at the moment aren't they?

    The bottom line is, in the process of caring for our physical well-being, they're inadvertently harming our mental well-being.

    Lighten up a bit, eh?

  • Comment number 9.

    Absolutely not! This has gone far enough. Our lives are being micromanaged by the government already and this goes too far. I gave up smoking years ago but every time we talk about these matters we chip away at personal choice and freedom. 8. is right, we have nothing left to enjoy... give us a break.

  • Comment number 10.

    I do not smoke. We don't have a car but isn't this just another sledge hammer to crack a nut? Look at the success of the mobile phone ban in cars for instance. Yesterday I saw five using them in their cars, including the one handed right hand turn. SO are police going to pursue people they think are smoking in their cars or will they set up a helpline so children can tell on their parents? It is like the climate change lobby, hit people with fines and prison rather than educate. BTW, both my parents smoked and neither myself or sister smoke but our children started due to peer pressure.

  • Comment number 11.

    A goos idea, however until the plice can convict the millions who use the mobile telephone with impunity while driving this is a non starter. The fact is that most modern motorists think that the driving laws about speed, parking, mobile phones, Ect. are for everyone else and not for them.

  • Comment number 12.

    Yet again, another dig at smokers.

    Being an ex-smoker (40 plus a day) I kmow as well as the people that come up with these bans that overall it does not cut down large numbers of smokers. I only gave up because I had a stroke.

    Can these people stop being hypocrites and instead call for tobacco to be classed as a class A drug, or are they reluctant to pay the extra tax as the government would have to recover the monies elsewhere,

  • Comment number 13.

    I am a smoker and I completely agree with a full car ban on smoking. It's totally unsafe to smoke and drive at the same time. Taking your eyes off the road to flick the ash in the ash tray or out of the window causes a distraction and in that split second you could easily lose control of your car. I have been horrified on a number of occasions seeing smokers in a car with children in the back. Yeah, ok the window was open but no, I wouldn't recommend it for reasons of safe driving.

    Again, still as a smoker, I often wish there was a complete ban on smoking during working hours because I abstain during those hours, ending up doing as much work as my non-smoking colleagues.

  • Comment number 14.

    I just love this, all the problems we have in this country and our Government and Doctors worry about smoking, well it’s a start I suppose, at least drivers can still consume alcohol and drugs drive & kill, take up valuable resources every day / weekend within the NHS A&E Departments after bottling one another in the face or kicking the crap out of an innocent by-passer, it really does make sense hitting the smoker again don’t you think.

    What’s going to be next, What toilet paper we can use, the prohibiting of passing wind in a public place? The Government stopped us from disciplining our children look where that’s got us today, I think a better law would be to stop MP’s and Doctors abusing their expenses and taking free holidays?

    If I have to stop smoking the one release from the daily crap I have to suffer living in this country, then I want drinking banned, I want to see yobs off my street and MP’s who actually do their job because they want to, not just for the benefits the job brings.

    Talk about a democratic society think again this is becoming a dictatorship, and we accuse China of the same, this is hypocrisy gone mad. MP’s & Doctors should get a life and let other people live theirs the way they want, after all how many good MPs do we have, and come to think of it how many good doctors do we have, their all responsible for the loss of life at some point in their lives how many lives have smokers taken?

    Enough said.

  • Comment number 15.

    How will this be enforced? On the spot CO measurements by the police? This will naturally mean that the police will need more medical training to enforce, which will also require a pay rise due to higher qualification - which will be paid for by the tax on smokers!!

    "Police prevent citizen from carrying out perfectly legal activity in the privacy of their own property" has too much of an Orwellian ring to me.

    If smoking is so dangerous then make it illegal. If it isn't than leave it alone.

  • Comment number 16.

    i am a non smoker and i do support the ban on smoking in public places

    i am also tired of the me me me attitude of smokers

    pubs and clubs are far better now that smokin has been banned and having asthma i am not excluded as i was before

    i can only think of one reason for banning smoking in cars and that is the same as for eating/drinking in cars - if you have to put one hand to your mouth whilst driving you re not fully in control of the car. people do fet fined fot eating sweets or taking a sip of juice/water so why should smokers be able to hold a cig to their mouths?

    but if the car is stationary or a passanger smokes there is no need for a ban on this as the driver has the choice of telling the smoking passanger not to smoke.

    so ban smoking and driving but dont just smoke in cars.

    smokers i would hope would be thoughtful enough to put their childrens health before their desire to smoke but as we know many children of smokers get their cigs from mum or dad often way below the legal age

  • Comment number 17.

    Where does this end?

    So - I shouldn't smoke by myself in my car. I shouldn't smoke where I can be seen by other people. Perhaps I shouldn't be allowed to smoke in my own house in case some youngster looks in through the window. Perhaps I shouldn't be allowed to smoke in my back garden in case a youth in a micro-light spots me.

    This state-sponsored tyranny stated as "don't smoke in enclosed public spaces". It is moving to "don't smoke where you can be seen". Soon it will be "don't smoke - anywhere". Another government enforced ban on something.

    But it's not just smoking. Soon there will be "don't drink alcohol in a public place". Then it will be "don't eat fatty foods in public". etc. etc. Ending up as "don't do anything which we don't like" (although who the "we" are remains to be defined).

    A free society is one where, within limits, one can do what one wants. The limits have been set by society to include things like "don't kill someone", "don't rob someone" etc. Now some people are trying to introduce limits along the lines of "don't do XXXX, because it's bad for you", or "don't do XXXX, because someone may be influenced by your actions". The limits are closing in. One day we will wake up and find that we have no freedoms left except the ones that "WE" think you should have.

    The "Tyranny of the majority" is bad enough - now we have the "Tyranny of the pressure groups".

  • Comment number 18.

    GET OUT OF MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!
    I dont have kids and will break any law governing this ridiculous proposal. Will all these "experts" give up their cars to prevent me sucking in their exhaust poisons? I doubt it, that may be a bit too inconvenient for them.

  • Comment number 19.

    "the £10 billion tax on tobacco products easily outweighs the £2 billion spent by the NHS on treating tobacco related illness"

    Absolutley spot on - the hypocrisy is laughable.

  • Comment number 20.

    What's wrong with minding one's own business?

    I am so sick of this sort of group who always conclude that their special interest is so important, our liberties mean absolutely nothing.

    BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN

    Go Away.

  • Comment number 21.

    This is nothing more than persecution. There is a very good reason why you shouldn't smoke in cars - because it is dangerous when driving. Why shouldn't you be allowed to smoke in your own car if you don't have children or family who are likely to share it?

    But to come up with this outrageous statement in nothing less than another attack on personal freedoms and liberties.

    Just days after the announcement that air quality due to pollution is responsible for Asthma they come up with this.

    I smell ASH behind all this.

    Another concerted smear and mistruth supported by a corrupt government.

  • Comment number 22.

    I don't have Children - Children don't come into my House or car and I don't have any contact with Children so the Government can get stuffed.

    May I remind everyone - Smoking is still permitted in the Palace of Westminster.

    No one asked the people if we wanted to be restricted this way - I am fed up having to stand outside a Pub in the winter when half the pub is standing outside - sure they could have designated areas where a person can have a smoke free room but to cover the whole Pub has just spoiled the atmosphere

  • Comment number 23.


    I completely agree that smoking should be banned in cars.

    It wasn't that long ago we were hearing stories of people being penalised for eating mars bars, sandwhiches etc whilst driving, as this causes a distraction. Surely any logical person would realise that smoking is more of a major distraction. What if hot cigarette ash fell on to your lap, this could cause the driver to take their eyes of the road, or if ash fell into the footwell and sparked a fire!!!!

    Need I mention that majority of these people that do smoke in their vehicles end up tossing the used butts and empty packets onto our streets!!

    I completely agree that it should be baned in cars. But not for the sole reason of having young children, who can't voice their opinions, in the cars.

  • Comment number 24.

    Its like big brother gone mad,cars give out more polution than cigarette smoke anyways.
    on the subject of passive smoking in homes i think it makes the world of diference smoking in a diferant room,besides i was exposed to passive smoke as a child and i am still here.
    stop picking on smokers,there are far greater risks like drunk drivers or drivers under the influence of drugs that cause far more accidents/deaths that we should deal with.

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  • Comment number 26.

    Yes and we should also ban summer Barbeque they really make my cough and my cloths stink, the November bonfires and what really makes me wheeze is those disgusting diesel busses (with no one one them) which also spew out all sorts of poisonous fumes.

  • Comment number 27.

    No. This is an intrusion of personal freedom. No, I do not smoke nor have I ever smoked.

  • Comment number 28.

    There are 2 issues here.

    1/ I am a smoker, I smoke in MY car, I have never smoked when I have carried passengers but It is MY car, I paid for it, I run it and I put the petrol in it and if people don’t like it because I smoke in MY car then they can walk or get a bus.

    Public spaces are another matter and I would never smoke to the annoyance of anyone else.

    2/ The Royal College of Physicians is at it again, These people are Doctors, They are very well paid to do a certain job and that job is to treat ill people and it’s a pity they do not practice what they preach because most of these “physicians” I see when I attend hospital are driving around in brand new gas guzzling motors causing far more pollution and fumes than smoking ever does which is far more damaging to the environment and other people.

    No one has voted for or elected these self righteous prigs to a position where they can dictate to me or anyone else, they have no authority at all to tell me what to do, yes they can advise people on the dangers of smoking, drinking etc but they have gone far beyond any authority that they have and they have turned themselves into a little club of dictators because just like solicitors and MPs they think they are more intelligent than the rest of us and therefore have superior views that we surfs must follow.

    If they want to influence policy then form a political party and stand for election but don’t you dare dictate to me what I can or cannot do in my own space, this is still supposed to be a free country (Joke people) so this lot can shove there stethoscopes where the Sun does not shine.

  • Comment number 29.

    I can't believe they now want to ban smoking in cars, where will this end? Your car is your OWN private space.
    The Royal College of Physicians aren't complaining about the amount of tax generated by smokers, are they?

  • Comment number 30.

    No it should not, and the goverment should go away and stop interfering in peoples lives.

    I dont smoke but I dont condeme people who do, and there should NOT be a smoking ban in this country, people should be able to make there own decisions, this goverment have killed the pub industry, pubs closing all over the place, and people going out of business, all because of a stupid smoking ban

  • Comment number 31.

    Please, does this mean that the generations before us who were all told by Doctors that smoking is good for you were mislead into becoming, as we are now to believe monsters on par with Marah Hinley and Ian Huntley for smoking in fron of us when we were children?. The absolute zero effects that my parents smoking in the house or the car and their friends smoking around me must obviuosly be down to the fact that I am the luckiest man alive?.

    Lets stop even giving air time to these obviously stupid and ignorant people who dare to quote science in our faces when the actual living evidence is all around us.

    Off course smoking is bad for you we all know that, but to listen to people on TV sitting there trying to send people on guilt trips by saying that is not even good enough to smoke out of sigt of your children at the bottom of your garden becuse they will still all die from the toxins on your clothes and in your hair....what utter utter tripe and the worse case of scientific research and abuse...is my taxpayer money fundng this?

    Now to the issue of driving and smoking, anyone scratch themselves while driving? ....should be banned.....anyone change the radio station or turn up/down the vloume while driving?....should be banned, anyone sneeze while driving?....should be banned....anyone not look at their speedometer and the road at the same time as police would like us to do?....should be banned. anyone move tei hand of the steering wheel to open a window?...should be banned.....I think by now you understand where I am coming from. Now these so called experts will have you believe that smoking is such a distraction while driving it should be banned?....I would 1st like to see the statistics comparing related instances to smoking and sneezing.....and not the fudged corrupt and made up statistics that Gordon Brown pulls out of his a$%e. The truth is no driver that drives for long periods of time is always paying 100% attention as the mind wanders. This is another knee jerk reaction. Also please stop saying "Doctors" implying all Doctors agree and lets here from not just one side of the fence please i this is meant to be unbiased I do not want to just hear from the anti smokers.

    What about parents who do not feed their children correctly? or help develop their mental abilities at a young age? lets have police crashing down peoples doors and taking away the parents in irons for feeding their children Findus pancakes and chips for dinner!!!!

    Also this Doctor on TV this morning comparing me to a sick pedo/child killing monster because the particles that are present on me after having a cigerette are not only killing my family but am doing so in a slow and deliberately cruel way, how did she get to work this morning? does she own a car?......Monster!:P...well if this goes through I hope they go after something she enjoys next to ban and they use the same flimsy whimsicle and made up science to back their theorys....utter utter utter utter tripe..... If you want to improve peopls health then do it.....BAN SMOKING.....MAKE IT ILLEGAL.......if not....SHUT UP!

  • Comment number 32.

    I am for a ban on smoking around children, and other people who do not smoke for that matter. But I am against a total blanket ban on smoking in cars. I gave up smoking 18months ago and I still feel this is a bad idea.
    And even if it was a good idea, how are we going to police it? We have a ban on cell phone use and still it widely goes on, such a petty crime that 99% of the population think is not really a crime and will continue to do, ignoring the law, cannot be police effectively enough to be enforced efficiently.
    Not everyone who drives a car has children, and "if you want a ride in my car then you will have to accept that I smoke".
    Should people be banned from smoking in their homes if they have guests who do not smoke? I think not, this is no different.

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  • Comment number 34.

    Where do we go once we open up the door for further legislation within your own vehicle? This is all getting a bit silly now, I think the smoking ban has done enough as it stands and besides that we are far too over regulated already, this is another sledge hammer to crack a nut. Just think of how much fun the authorities will have rounding up law abiding citizens having what they thought was a 'legal' cigarette outside thier local pub, because it might be close to where young people gather. The possibilities for criminilising even more of the population are endless.

  • Comment number 35.

    At 6.32 am Comment number 16 (read between the lines wrote)

    i can only think of one reason for banning smoking in cars and that is the same as for eating/drinking in cars - if you have to put one hand to your mouth whilst driving you re not fully in control of the car.

    What rubbish, according to this logic (unless you drive an automatic) every time you take your hand off the steering wheel to change gear or look in the rear view mirror or listen to the radio you are not in full control of the car, you are distracted for a micro second.

    What a weak and feeble statement.

  • Comment number 36.

    I agree with the comments of BRIANCARSON I myself am a driver of 50 years and a smoker, I don't have children, I'm a single male, nearly 60yrs and now they want me to cease smoking in my car, my home and in my time, when the gov pay for a car and buy my home they can tell me what to do, until then shut up.

  • Comment number 37.

    Here we go again!!! Do Gooders telling us what we can’t do!!!

    Hello!! We are talking about your Children.

    I absolutely insist on no smoking in the car when the kids are in the car. I do not kneed Doctors to tell me.

    On the other hand it would seem the simplest why to do things these days is to ban, ban & ban. A ban is not the way ahead; give credit for the majority of us, who already do the sensible things. I would say that the wheezing etc is the state of fitness of children today, given the level of fitness activities they do at school and the home.

    Those of who you are complaining; this is what you should be doing anyway?????

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  • Comment number 40.

    People using the argument of smoking is a distraction as a reason to ban it in cars, I ask to them what about the radio? Surly changing the radio or cd you have to take your eyes off the road god forbid, it bet every one has done that, blah blah blah

    Also are you going to ban children from the cars as I see women more paying attention the screaming child in the back than to the road in front them , I has seen this may times and the accidents it has caused.

  • Comment number 41.

    Years gone by 80% of population smoked but few families had cars so how come now smoking is down to 25% of the population, asthma etc has supposedly increased. Could it be due to pollution now that most families have 2 or more cars?
    Jack, Kent

  • Comment number 42.

    I hate people smoking around me and love the ban in public places. However smoking in a private car is just that - private. It is nothing to do with the State.

    There are too many officials and quasi-officials who think it is their role to control our private lives. These people should be removed from their position of public authority, i.e. Fired!

  • Comment number 43.

    It might be a better idea for doctors to spend a little more time keeping an eye on thier patients both in and outside our hospitals before they start on another campaign to criminilise more people, it seems to me that they should be concentrating on what they should be doing, rather than making life more miserable for others.

  • Comment number 44.

    I can't believe that you are not allowed to eat, drink, talk on the phone, or blow your nose behind the wheel, but you can play with fire. Where is the common sense in that?

  • Comment number 45.

    A smoking ban in cars is just ridiculous. That is the same as a smoking ban in peoples houses. I don't agree with smoking around children and never do it myself but it is up to the parents to act responsibly. As for it contributing to asthma, I was born with asthma, suffered severe attacks 3 times a year at least. When I was 16 I started smoking and since then I have had 2 asthma attacks in the past 12 years! I don't know about anyone else but I would like to see independent study results about the effects of smoking as we can't trust people employed by the government as all they want to do is line their own pockets with money so they say things are bad and up the prices.

  • Comment number 46.

    Please lets just ban children - the world is overpopulated anyway

  • Comment number 47.

    Enough! Bureaucracy is half the reason we're in this economic crisis, and spurious research feeds bureaucrats with the tools for new laws. We're becoming controlled robots, so hands off what's left of individual liberty and choice. Our cars and homes are our territory, and we should be able to set our own standards.

  • Comment number 48.

    A load of comments and as usual not backed up with any evidence eg angry_of_garston comment, zero evidence maximum propaganda. I saw the evidence of smoking only yesterday; I visited my mum who is in hospital having chemotherapy, her cancer all related to her smoking habit. I also saw many others, some patients never smoked, their cancers were different. I think smoking ought to be banned everywhere in public, it is a very addictive drug, watching someone smoke gives a negative impression to younger people, there is still a culture of coolness attached, just like when I was a lad. If people were not seen to be so cool by killing themselves, it can only be a good thing. I used to smoke myself, even having half my lung removed didn’t stop me, in the end it was a realisation that there is more to life than sucking on a tobacco stick and my life had stopped. I smoked 20 a day and calculated that I spent hours smoking and by quitting I had gained an extra 12 hours a week to live my life!

  • Comment number 49.

    So will they fit cars with a smoke detector so that if you light up a sprinkler system starts up? Or will it immobilise the car? Or perhaps you'll find you're driving along with a flashing yellow light on the roof that can only be turned off at the police station?

    Of course passive smoking for children is not right, but in order to deal with that you would need to remove every child from its parents where one or both of them (or granny) smokes.

  • Comment number 50.

    Jogging causes wearing of the joints, BAN IT?.
    Mountain climbing or skydiving are just dangerous, BAN THEM?.
    Computer use causes Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and RSI, BAN IT?.
    Giving birth causes deaths in mothers and in children, BAN IT?.
    Diesel engines give out carcinogenic particulates, BAN THEM?

    Countless other human activities that kill or maim by the thousands, BAN THEM ALL?, no of course we won't, it's freedom of choice isn't it.

    I do not expect you to start smoking or to give up your chosen method of killing/injuring yourself, I would not dream of imposing my own petty morality on anyone else, please extend the same courtesy to me.

    It's My life to waste as I choose, your life can be wasted in your chosen environment, One that is as risk free as you can make it, yet still won't allow you to live forever. Sorry but it's true, you're all going to die, one way or another.

    So go and sort yourself out and get off my back, I'm going to have a smoke now, OK?

  • Comment number 51.

    Oh dear God, here we go again.

    There will come a time, and I imagine that this will come quite soon, where the public will rise up against all these quangos, advisory boards and think tanks because of the outright damage they have done. They have a solitary interest and their job is to further that interest.

    That's why we don't have pubs anymore.

    I didn't smoke in enclosed public spaces before the ban, unless everyone else was. So I could handle the ban. But if I get told that I can't smoke in my car, on my own, I might actually lose it.

    This is too much. If made law, this will be the beginning of the end for parliament - we've given up quite a few things in recent years - smoking in pubs, dna on the database without knowing it, taxes that paid for jollies, duckponds and porn, any vestige of self-respect we had as a nation and so on - there is actually an end to this tether they have us on.

    I have never heard anything more facile than this.

  • Comment number 52.

    Please all you smokers, think about your future even though you dont like being told what to do i say tough at least you will live to tell the tale.I have a daughter and i want to see her live a healthy life with out being influenced by any body that puts a danger to her in all ways.

  • Comment number 53.

    Smokers are selfish. The fact that their family or other peoples family will be affected will not concern them. An open window and throwing the ash and used cigarette out of the window also teaches children that littering is acceptable.

  • Comment number 54.

    What's all this about protecting children? If there is a risk, we all need protecting.

    The best approach is to just ban the production of tobacco products.

  • Comment number 55.

    I do not and have never smoked. I loathe the smell of cigarette smoke, and object to having to "run the gauntlet" of smokers outside pubs and clubs and throwing their "dog ends" into the road.

    However, what people do in their own homes or cars is their business, and I object strongly to the meddling of others into the freedom that is so fast being eroded in the UK. Peoples private space, i.e. their homes and cars, is theirs in which to do what they like ! There are now more rules and laws than there are personnel to enforce them.

    The sooner we get rid of our state "Stasis & Gestapo" - the better it will be for us all !

  • Comment number 56.

    Yes, my sister was a complete idiot when driving with a fag! How many car seats get burned near your private parts. What are the drivers doing at this point when the fag is burning the seat between their legs. Not concentrating on the road obviously!
    Ex-smoker, Ex-driver, Ex-idiot!

  • Comment number 57.

    40. At 07:08am on 24 Mar 2010, irondoctorglennjones wrote:
    People using the argument of smoking is a distraction as a reason to ban it in cars, I ask to them what about the radio? Surly changing the radio or cd you have to take your eyes off the road god forbid, it bet every one has done that, blah blah blah

    Also are you going to ban children from the cars as I see women more paying attention the screaming child in the back than to the road in front them , I has seen this may times and the accidents it has caused.


    Your argument is basically that we should not do something that will achieve greater safety because we cannot achieve total safety. Mankind would never have made any step forwards throughout history with such an approach.

    Whenever I see a driver of another car (at a junction, driving behind etc) who is smoking I take extra care as I am aware that such a driver may not be in full control of their car. Similarly I am extra cautious if following (or even in front of) someone where the driver insists on looking at a passenger whilst talking to them, thus taking their attention off the road in front.

    However, the most significant issue here is given the lack of enforcement or even enforecability of hand held mobile phone legislation, how would this actually be enforced?

  • Comment number 58.

    100% YES! Smoking should be banned in all cars where children are inside.I think if its your own car & NO child/teen inside under 16 then fine, smoke yourself to death. But dont force it onto children & babies. To me, thats a form of abuse. I have never smoked in my life, but I am against the ban on smoking in pubs etc I think there should be a room inside where smokers can eat, drink & smoke.

  • Comment number 59.

    This is yet another think tank stupidity.

    My wife and I have no children, and yet some think tank that has nothing better to do wants to take away another chunk of my basic human rights. If its my car, providing I am obeying the Highway code, road legal, I will smoke in my own car.

    Why should I get penalised for someone elses children? I pay enough in tax and other penalties from this government to pay for everything else, get real guys.

    A think tank in Kent has now suggested we ban think tanks!

  • Comment number 60.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 61.

    I would like to see medics concentrating on finding actual CAUSES of disease rather than relying on statistics in the manner that a drunk relies on a lamp post - more for support than illumination.

    Once proper science has been done on the actual causal effects of each disease mentioned, further work can be done to look for the cure, rather than the current regime of treating symptoms.

    Bleating propaganda does the profession a disservice, as ordinary people believe less and less of what medics say because the evidence is not there.

  • Comment number 62.

    I Totally agree with the proposal on banning smoking in or around children. Adults have a choice if they wish to take risks with their health, children do not. This is a topic very near to my heart in that I am recently seperated and my wife has left me and taken our two young daughters to live with a man that smokes. I am currently fighting for my daughters return to a safe and healthy environment through the Courts, and have continuously raised my concerns about the health risks my children are being subjected to. Even my daughters object, particularly the youngest, as they both experienced only a year ago their Grandfather dying of cancer. Frankly as a responsible adult and parent I'm quite disgusted at some of the responses that have been posted and the complete lack of care or respect shown to children.

  • Comment number 63.

    I have had asthma since I was 2. Doctors always told me it was genetic. Have they now changed their mind? Are they saying that if parents don't smoke they child is guaranteed not to get asthma?? Similarly, are you guaranteed not to get lung cancer if you never smoke or never have contact with smoke?? I agree with smoking bans in pubs and clubs but (even though I don't smoke myself) I think that this is going too far.

  • Comment number 64.

    As a motorcyclist AND car driver a I would whole-heartedly support the ban. I'm sick of the selfishness of smokers in vehicles who flick their lighted cigarette-end out of the window with no regards to where it is going to land. I have had to pull over and stop on more than one occasion due to a lighted cigarette-end becoming trapped in my clothing. This clothing is costly to replace and you can just imagine the furore if I was to ride past and flick a lighted cigarette into a car. I'd probably be prosecuted (quite rightly) but it doesn't seem to happen the other way round.
    Yes please, ban smoking in all vehicles.

  • Comment number 65.

    Absolutely in favour of an absolute ban on smoking, but understand that the restrictions have to be brought in gradually to wean teh country off of Tabacco.

    Would like to see the cureent review lead to a ban on smoking within 10 metres of the entrance to any building. I hate running the gauntlet throgh the disgusting miasma of smoke outside buildings where smokers congregate.

  • Comment number 66.

    I can't believe what I am hearing this morning and reading here. I agree it is not possible to police eating and blowing your nose in the car, however some people have been prosecuted for this, however can someone tell me how people are in control of a car when lighting a cigarette,smoking and if it is dropped in the car how they will continue to drive without being distracted!!!!!!. At least if you drop your apple or sweets you can continue to drive until it is safe to pull over. I have struggled to understand this for some time aside from the health issues that are being raised today.

  • Comment number 67.

    I am not a do gooder but the health of peoples children surely should come first. If a power station, nuclear power station, mobile phone mast etc was built near your home and your child / children became ill everyone would be up in arms smokers included on how dreadful it was and something should be done. I'm sure that when you see demo's against Phone masts being put up near schools smokers are there complaining about the effects that this may have on their children. It the attitude of smokers is 'oh its a nanny state' perhaps if smokers thought about their childrens health then the nanny state would not need to get involved.

  • Comment number 68.

    Personaly i think this smoking ban is getting a bi to the extreme to ban it from peoples home and cars.
    Its bad enough that you cant even go to a pub anymore these days and have a smoke on the other side getting out of places where people eat is a great idea totaly for it.

  • Comment number 69.

    When will these interfering busybodies learn to keep their noses out of people's private lives?

    They pluck figures out of the air - "The report does concede that these figures are only estimates, but says it is confident they give an "indication" of the number of children who become ill." - and then use them to justify interference in people's lives.

    I stopped smoking over 20 years ago, but demand the right to let people smoke in my house or car if I so choose - I won't let them if there are children present, but this is none of the RCP's business.

  • Comment number 70.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 71.

    What a nonsense!! Maybe we as a society should concentrate on stopping the physical, mental and sexual abuse of children before deciding to address the risks of second-hand smoke on them. It's a sad fact that on a daily basis many thousands of kids face a far more brutal danger than asthma or a chest infection.
    This is plainly just more futile knee-jerk utopian rhetoric, which in common with so many 'proposals' of the past 10 years or so, would be impossible to enforce and is designed purely to create media exposure.

  • Comment number 72.

    It's easy really, but will take a government with a backbone. Ban smoking altogether or get off smokers backs. Talk about cake and eat it!! Or is it just a bad news day, or perhaps another excuse to validate a 10p rise in the cost of a packet?

    Timing is everything with these non stories.

  • Comment number 73.

    I am not sure that I agree with banning smoking near public areas with children, how could that possibly be enforced and, much as I personally detest the habit, I believe it is an affront to peoples personal freedoms.

    In cars is a different matter - but for differing reasons. Smoking in a car is distracting in the same way as using a mobile - the cigarette/cigar/pipe has to be lit, held awkardly in a hand that should be used for steering and then safely disposed of (not thrown out of the window - that is just littering). All this is a distraction. Further, in the event of an accident, you have a potential source of ignition, especially if the smoker/driver is incapacitated! It is for these reasons that smoking should be banned in cars.

  • Comment number 74.

    This idea is ostensibly aimed at protecting kids, clearly this is not the case or it wouldn't be a blanket ban, could it be that we have created a new breed of criminal that displays an easily traced number on his front and back who can then be sent a fixed penalty notice, kids in the car or not.

    29 years driving and smoking, not one fire, not one bump, not one major pile up, nobody I know has suffered with asthma or emphysema or, indeed, died of cancer.

    I cannot be held responsible for all the people who may have suffered from my engine exhaust fumes... but that's another story and because I do not wish to ridicule the simple minded, I will not mention it.






  • Comment number 75.

    It would be great too if it was banned inside the HOUSE where there are teens & children under 16. We go to my sister in law & we all choke with the smoke but we cant say anything as its her house but for the poor kids, who live there, it seems no one cares or can help. They are just there to breathe it all IN. How could it be enforced? YOU tell me.

  • Comment number 76.

    Smoking in a car by the driver could be a cause for distraction, so a ban on the driver smoking would be logical. Maybe it could be argued that the passengers smoking could also be a distraction for the driver, particularly if they're a non-smoker, so overall, I would support a ban on smoking in cars.

  • Comment number 77.

    The problem with this proposed ban on smoking in cars is:like the business/workplace smoking ban in business/workplace vehicles,where both the business owner and work colleagues smoke(like building contractors/decorators etc;you often find this the case),it will be very impossible to police and enforce this, people still light up and smoke in workplace/business vehicles despite the law making it illegal in workplace vehicles making a mockery of that rule. I'm sorry but this ban on smoking in private vehicles will fall flat on it's face like the ban on smoking in workplace vehicles has done;also what if the work colleagues smoke as well as the owner of the business? You still get that going on where builder's mates/decorators mates etc light up along with the person driving a vehicle as well.

  • Comment number 78.

    The Royal College of Physicians is a medical body and not a policy making body. They can comment on medical matters if they like - preferably from the basis of scientific fact and not from a basis of preference and patriarchal opinion - but policy is the matter of government and their opinions on this should get no more credence than the opinions of anybody else.

  • Comment number 79.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 80.

    I'd rather die of passive smoking than live with passive fascism.

  • Comment number 81.

    It saddens me when I see children in a car & the windows are CLOSED or open a bit while the adult smokes. It's cruel,it should be banned.

  • Comment number 82.

    There seems to be some confusion of whether a car is or isn't a private or public place. Many years ago when the Dangerous Dogs Act came into being, an unmuzzled pit pull, in a car, was deemed to be "in a public place". Yet if you are smoking in your car, it is deemed a private place. The law can't have it both ways.

  • Comment number 83.

    surely it is our job as parents to protect our children. there is a risk to children from passive smoke and no matter how great that risk we shouldn't be so selfish as to continue to so something that may be harming them.parents should step outside the house or car to have a smoke or give up altogether

  • Comment number 84.

    There were no children in our now decimated pubs but with Nanny state hiding under the coat-tails of children we've got another excuse for cars regardless of whether a children is on board or not!

    But surely a greater risk is posed by exhaust emmissions on our streets so if smoking in cars is to be banned then presumably all cars should be banned too?

    I'm just sitting here waiting for a Doctor to turn up and tie my shoelaces lest they come loose and I trip over a child on mny way to work .....

  • Comment number 85.

    It is clear to me that drivers should not smoke. It is also not acceptable to smoke near someone who does not.

  • Comment number 86.

    A far greater risk to our children and ourselves is passive inhaling of exhaust fumes and other pollutants which must cost the NHS Billions. the same intensity put in to anti smoking campaigns, could clean up our towns & cities. & benefit us all.
    A step to far against smokers!!

  • Comment number 87.

    So - while I agree entirely with not making our children and other non smokers inhale our smoke, I think its about time a stand was taken. We are moving further and further away from having democratic rights. It is unnaceptable - or is this statement too late already? I have managed to be a smoker and NOT make my wife and chidren (or anyone else I come in contact with that does not smoke) breathe in my smoke when in a car. I did not need the law to make me do this. I used common sense, my sense of responsibility, my love for my family and respect for other people to make the decision. Someone do something - because I dont have the money to fund it (thanks to the banking systems mismanagement meaning I also have no job)

  • Comment number 88.

    When the "Health Nazis" have eliminated all risk from our society, smoking, drinking, eating, walking, not walking, etc., will we all finally live forever?, what then for the pension system???

  • Comment number 89.

    Don't make me laugh - protect the young - I don't think so - smoking is a choice - aborting babies, babies don't have any choice!

  • Comment number 90.

    We are rightly concerned about the dangers of smoking where ever that may be, however, in a moving vehicle a smoking driver is also a hazard to other people near that vehicle because it takes the drivers attention fron the outside scene and in addition means that the driver has only one hand to control the vehicle. We have seen succesful prosecutions for eating or drinking in vehicle why not add smoking to this list?

  • Comment number 91.

    Let's get this over with and just prohibit the sale of tobacco and ban smoking everywhere except the home.

    The combination of these two measures would see the number of smokers drop to virtually zero. After all how many smokers would actually bother to grow their own?

  • Comment number 92.

    As the rest of the population have to pay ever increasing amounts to treat smoking related illness it is only right that a penalty be paid by those who endanger their own lives and others by the habit.An additional tax on smoking which truly reflect the cost of treatment should be imposed along with bans on smoking anywhere near non smokers in public.If you have children you should not be selfish enough to endanger their lives anyway.To be fair the same should also apply to alcohol another increasing cost to the NHS.

  • Comment number 93.

    Although I hate seeing people smoking in cars, it is a private space.
    Private taxi cabs I can see the point as that is generally a public place.

    Why doesn't teh government just ban them full stop.

  • Comment number 94.

    I think banning smoking in all public places where children gather would be a great step forward. I attend college at the moment and to reach the main building I must walk past masses of students all smoking on the street. Some would say I am probably over reacting but because the college can not operate a no smoking policy on the street (Councils property) students who do not smoke must walk through that every day. I have seen no end of my friends coming into class coughing and spluttering, smelling like cigarette smoke. Not only that, there is also often the slight smell of students smoking something a little more exotic than just cigarettes, something has to be done about it.

  • Comment number 95.

    how about banning cars then? i don't drive but every day i have to breathe in filthy car fumes.

  • Comment number 96.

    Whenever I hear 'scientists' ( or professional liars if they are of the cult of 'climate change' ) come up with things like this I always think of the classic Frankie Boyle quote about them having too much time on their hands -

    Scientist A - What shall we do today, look for a cure for cancer?

    Scientist B - No, i'm going to see how many fruit pastels it takes to choke a kestrel.

    Oh and exactly as to where the 300,000 visits per year figure as a result of so called passive smoking comes from is anyones guess, three darts thrown at the board and multiplying the numbers together? If that where the case then about one in four children have to seek medical help as a direct result of passive smoking, nothing else mind, every year, does anybody with the IQ above that of a biscuit think this is the case?

    You don't think this could be a good ruse for the government to steal yet more cash out of a motorists wallet per chance?

    Nah, that would never happen, would it...

  • Comment number 97.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 98.

    People, should stop being brainwashed about passive smoking, what about Air Quality,no one ever discusses this subject. People sit outside cafes, walk on main streets, open car windows, do they not think that maybe these exhaust fumes are not doing them any harm.
    Driving to Manchester on a summers day, over the hills, you could see the blue haze. The smell, and taste of exhaust fumes was terrible, then my family to used to tell me to stop smoking,

  • Comment number 99.

    Regardless of passive smoking it is absurd to allow any driver to have burning tobacco distracting them from driving. If you cannot eat and drink why can you smoke? Have you ever seen the antics of a driver who drops their cigarette? It should have been banned on safety grounds years ago.

  • Comment number 100.

    Ban smoking in cars?why not just ban cars?i am sick of people telling me what to do,where to do it & when to do it.All you none smokers complain about passive smoking,your cars do more damage to childrens lungs than my smoking,but you have a car so we cant ban them.They tell us how to diceplin children,how much to drink (not long before thats banned)What we can & cant eat,followed everywhere by cameras,keeping every bit of information about us.We are in different countrys getting dictators out & freeing people.What a joke,we are one of the most oppressed countries in the world.Government can commit fraud & just pay the money back,we would be in prison,There old school pals,ie banks can rip us off & the government make it legal to do so.This country has gone down hill fast & is getting worse.The people running the country havent got a clue how normal people live,they dont trust adults to make their own decisions.We are not capable.haha & they are.

 

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