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How should anti-social behaviour be policed?

05:14 UK time, Thursday, 11 March 2010

Police are failing to record and tackle anti-social behaviour, according to a review. How can they improve?

The review by HM Inspectorate of Constabulary criticised forces in England and Wales for failing to adequately log reports of harassment, vandalism and verbal abuse.

Many police computer systems were unable to spot victims who suffered repeated abuse. In 23% of incidents of anti-social behaviour, officers did not even turn up.

The report comes as the Independent Police Complaints Commission investigates the case of Fiona Pilkington, who killed herself and her severely disabled daughter after suffering sustained anti-social behaviour. Police were called 33 times in seven years to reports of abuse, vandalism and violence by local youths.

How should police tackle anti-social behaviour? Are you satisfied with the performance of your local police force? Have you been a victim of anti-social behaviour? Did the police handle your complaint properly?

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  • Comment number 1.

    A visible presence on the street would help. Not the community officers who are not taken seriously. But full police officers walking the streets. There is no lawful presence in our communities as they are in cars or behind desks. We don't know their names, the community doesn't know them. They are invisible or a call centre.

  • Comment number 2.

    With actual police on the street?

  • Comment number 3.

    They don't deal with antisocial behaviour because they're not there to see it. My wife and I went to Scarborough a few days ago. The town was very busy, not least with groups of youths who evidently had nothing to do and were wandering round in packs making their presence felt: one lot were screaming obscenities and threats across the street at a lone youngster, heedless of pensioners and mothers with young children. One thing we didn't see, in all the time we were walking round, was one solitary police officer or even a CSO. It's hardly surprising that the yobs feel they rule the streets.

    When we lived in Peterborough, I used to attend meetings of the local residents' association. Complaints of police apathy in the face of antisocial behaviour were common. I remember one woman being told that she should take the matter up at a scheduled surgery the police held in the area, to which she retorted that she had indeed gone to it - but the police had failed to turn up (as indeed they repeatedly failed to turn up at residents' association meetings). On the other hand, when I politely requested information about a mass brawl that had occurred in the street outside my house, resulting in my having to call 999, we were favoured with a visit from TWO officers, one of whom declined to sit down but stood glowering down at us while his colleague basically denied knowing anything about the incident - despite the fact that it had resulted in a quarter of all arrests made on that beat over a three month period. The message was pretty clear: we're not accountable to you, sunshine. I had in fact written to our local councillor several weeks previously, warning that tensions were rising in the area, but had received no reply. I wrote again, pointing out that it had gone the way I'd predicted, and was told that the first letter "must have been lost in the post"......

  • Comment number 4.

    the police should take lodged complains seriously. most are being told but they just despise them off not knowing what impact they create to a person who has been intimidated. special police unit serviced with well trained officers to deal with this issue will be more helpful. most victims resort to self denial upon finding no justice from both ends.

  • Comment number 5.

    Zero tolerance, 24 hour magistrate’s courts, and very harsh sentences for all anti social behaviour. IE commit anti social behaviour, get arrested at once and taken straight to the police station from there they appear before a magistrate within 2 hours and are sentenced with the punishment being imposed at once, the first thing the parents would know is when they were informed that little Johnny was caught throwing stones through windows’ and they can pick him up in 4 weeks time from the youth correction camp.

    Little Johnny then appears back in front of the magistrate before being released to be told that next time he appears before them the sentence will be 6 months, the rest of his moronic mates in his little gang will not be so keen to do it either when they see what’s happened to their hero.

    Very harsh? Yes but we in this country are sick to death of these little morons ruining everyone else’s life, just follow the above rules and watch the problem disappear.

    The Victorians had it right, Children should be seen and not heard and don’t spare the rod, we have tried that it does not work.

  • Comment number 6.

    Community Officers with more teeth would be part of the answer. They need greater powers of arrest for a start. Another element has to be the number of police actually on the beat with a good combination of car and foot patrols. Most importantly, the parents of youths and children acting anti-socially should be held responsible. There should be some sort of order forcing parents to be aware of where their offspring are and to ground them as necessary. Penalties for lack of control should ensue, with compulsory parenting courses being part of the consequence and the solution.

  • Comment number 7.

    I fear it is far too late for the police to tackle anti-social behaviour.

    Years of under-reporting crimes and non-attendance has led to an attitude where people no longer involve the police in the loop and hide behind their curtains hoping it is not them who gets picked on that evening. Vehicle damage is an accepted fact of owning a car in an urban area.

    If the police wanted to do something they could ensure that they rapidly attend at least a few reports of anti-social behavior per evening. At least that way those responsible wouldn't be able to ruin other peoples lives safe in the knowledge that the police will never turn up.

  • Comment number 8.

    Police are more interested in issuing speeding fines to motorists than catching real criminals. Kids don't respect police like older generations did. Our society has changed for the worst.....

  • Comment number 9.

    The common view is that all police do now is drive about hassling motorists, the sad fact is that this is backed up by experience. the only time I see police is in a car, have you spotted one on the street at all lately ?
    My streets are just littered with unruly kids going wild.

  • Comment number 10.

    The Inspectorate of Constabulary says the police RISK losing confidence, well they HAVE lost the confidence of me. Where as before if i saw something i'd report now i just look the other way and if asked anything say sorry didn't see a thing

  • Comment number 11.

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  • Comment number 12.

    Stocks and flogging for offenders. The flogging to be carried out by the victims of their anti social behavior.

  • Comment number 13.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 14.

    Antisocial behaviour should be policed as it was years ago, as crime, not like today's way of treating it as a 'bit of naughtiness'.

    Crime is crime, and crime must have consequences for the criminal.

    A return to real discipline in schools and bringing back Borstal would be a good start.

  • Comment number 15.

    There seems to be so many reports of cases on the news involving the failure of the Police, social services etc ...
    The police seems to spend so much time on catching speeding motorists rather than dealing with the real law and order issues of anti-social behaviour that involves interacting with the public.
    PS - I seem to see more motorists on their mobile phones, than speeding, so maybe the Police need to look at what they are doing ...... or not...

  • Comment number 16.

    Anti-social behaviour means action against ones own community. This is also a failure by the community. To prevent a repeat on release the local community should be able to persuade him/her to re-enter a community that shows that it cares.

  • Comment number 17.

    The problem of anti-social behaviour is symptomatic of the problems in society generally. The country is rudderless, fractured, ill at ease and run by a politburo that has deliberately engineered the disasters that are overwhelming society.

    In the past unpopular governments were dismissed and replaced by a more competent alternative but today we are in such a sorry state that the alternative is just as clueless.

    As for the police they, like the BBC, have allowed themselves to become politicised and are now the civilian arm of a creeping oppression that is slowly becoming the enemy within.

  • Comment number 18.

    Back to basics - More police officers on the beat actually doing police work rather than pushing memos around, filling in pieces of paper and pursuing motorists for doing 36mph in 30 zone.

    Maybe a more integrated neighbourhood watch scheme, where residents can quickly contact a beat officer to get them straight to the scene.

    Once caught, a zero tolerance approach from the courts. Harsh and enforced fines and community sentences, maybe picking litter, painting fences and digging gardens in the areas where they offend wearing bright orange jackets with the words "I am serving a community sentence". Prison for repeat offenders at their third offence, no questions or exceptions.

    It will not happen though, as we are more interested in offenders human rights.

  • Comment number 19.

    In the majority of cases it is not the police who fail to record the anti social behaviour it is the people making the complaint who,for one reason or another are too afraid to give their names and addresses for fear of reprisal,knowing that those guilty of anti social behaviour will only get a slapped wrist,is it worth all the aggro reporting it?

  • Comment number 20.

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  • Comment number 21.

    Firstly
    The PCSO has been the biggest failure of Policing Policy for quite sometime. Even I, see the PCSO as a plastic Policeman with no powers at all. Get rid of them all and replace with Police Officers. Even if you can only stretch it to 50% Police Officer to 100% PCSO it would make the difference.

    Once we have the Police Officers, then you get them on the streets, where the problems are. The Police know who these mugs are, get them to sort it.

    Secondly
    The public need to realise that most of the problems are being caused by Children, who are willing to take on an adult whilst they are in numbers; one to one you will see very little come back from the child. If these Children think they are big enough to take on an adult then they are big enough to use force against. I recently had to eject a group out of my shopping centre and some of them (not all) had to be ejected by force. Now that is not what we want to do, but when we do, we get complaints from the public that we are bullying these sweat children.

    I have spent 24 years in the armed forces, and I have trained my team to the highest of standards and force is always used as a last resort, so when you see, my team ejecting someone by force, it means all reasonable ways have been exhausted.

    The Trouble is they think they can speak to us like they speak with their Parents or even Teachers and they are so convinced that by law we are not allowed to touch them. Their Parents are not allowed, The Teachers are not allowed and I truly believe the police don’t want to either.

    We have created a group of untouchables!!!! And they know it!!

  • Comment number 22.

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  • Comment number 23.

    With unemployed drug addict neighbours partying into the small hours every night,and who had issued death threats to me when I asked them to quieten down so I could get some sleep before work,you might have expected the local police to take some action. But no,they came round and told me that it would be like stirring up a hornets nest if they intervened and the neighbours would just make my life hell,which of course,they were already doing. Seems to me there is a failure to properly deal with anti-social behavior by the police as it is too much like hard work.

  • Comment number 24.

    Here in a quiet semi rural area near Southampton many residents endured threats of violence, harassment and abuse by one anti social individual for months. Whenever the police were called they took hours or days to respond, or did not respond at all. The police were totally ineffectual and now I would be reluctant to report any incident because it would just be a waste of time. So much for tough on crime, and tough on the causes of crime.

  • Comment number 25.

    I often wonder whether or not it's worthwhile repeating comments as the politicians and top police officers are always 'cockin' a deaf 'un'! Here goes again ...

    As police now routinely go around in twos (what are THEY afraid of?) the police force has been HALVED.

    Real INTELLIGENCE is to be found locally and from local people. You can't get that intelligence from inside cars or offices. You can't fight all crime through cameras and other hi-tech devices.

    It's no accident that crime decreases where Zero Tolerance policies are in place. Police ignore so-called anti-social behaviour when in fact it's CRIME they ignore. I was a youngster once and I needed restraint from mischief-making.

    The police are no longer seen as 'friends' of the law-abiding public. They are increasingly seen as mere arms of the state and, given time, will resemble the East German STASI ... they and the government having more and more intrusive powers.

  • Comment number 26.

    At 06:46am on 11 Mar 2010, Mustafa Beer wrote:
    Police are more interested in issuing speeding fines to motorists than catching real criminals. Kids don't respect police like older generations did. Our society has changed for the worst.....


    Mustafa Beer I think
    Speeding Motorist are proper criminals, we cannot pick and choose the laws we wish to follow and discard the ones we don't. Perhaps if speeding motorist stopped speeding then the police can put the resources back on the streets?

    Is it not interesting as we as a society see car crime as somehow not real?

  • Comment number 27.

    Anti social behaviour can make victims lives a living hell, it is unnacceptable.
    Punishment should be boot camps, community service, short spells in prison and termiante any benefits. If the offender is under 18 then punish their parents/guardians as well. If the offender has money fine them as well.
    If an ofender has comiitted other crimes in the past then double the punishment.
    Always insist on an apology to their victims. If they refuse, double the sentence.

  • Comment number 28.

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  • Comment number 29.

    It's not often that I concur with David Cameron, but when he says that we treat adults like children and children like adults, I'm in complete agreement. Giving young people responsibility for their own actions, when there are no consequences (and it starts in the home and at school where they know they'll get what they want if the just dig their heels in long enough)needs changing. Young people respond to boundaries and these boundaries used to be set by a social understanding. That social understanding is now gone and we need to replace it with a group of people saying what they are going to do and then doing it. No more 43rd last warnings for "minor offences". It has to start with authority figures like teachers and the police. And if they break their part of the bargain by creating anti social behaviour, they should be made to do community work in their own time and their parents should be made to acknowledge the fact they crossed the line of acceptable behaviour, not hide behind the "not my wee Johnny" syndrome which has been prevalent for so long.

  • Comment number 30.

    Thanks to the do gooder liberals we cannot control our children any more.They have stopped anyone disciplining children/youths ..... now we are paying for this liberalism.
    We need police on the streets walking the beat, the ability to hand out meaningful punishment ... not " oh dont do it again johhny"
    Boot camps for repeat offenders and removal from the streets until as such time as they can behave.Unfortunately you reap what you sow and look what we are reaping now ...... thanks labour.

  • Comment number 31.

    I know a few policemen & women, and their biggest grip is the fact that as soon as they catch these criminals, they are released, and back out on the streets committing more crime. How daft is that? Then of cause we have the mad Labour imposed “Targets” which have to be met, the needless bureaucracy, barking mad judicial system and political correctness which stops the Police from doing their job.

  • Comment number 32.

    I have been the victim of anti social disorder, witnessed anti social behaviour and reported it, only to give up due to inaction by the police. I've witnessed violence, vandalism, etc. and no longer report it to the police as I know from experience that I'm wasting my time.

  • Comment number 33.

    Police/Community Officers should issued with cattle prods, and when they caught the "little loves", quick jab from the prod.

    Seriously, anti social behaviour is a nuisance to all. The resolution is quite easy. Tackle it at the source. When I was young we had a local copper, who lived in the same street as me. Everyone knew and respected him. If he caught you you got a clip round the ear, and then dragged you, in front of your mates to your parents, who then gave you other clip round the ear. And you now what? it didn't do us kids any harm, it taught us respect. He also knew who the culprits were likely to be. Not only that any adult was referred to as "Mr" and "Mrs". As kids we were taught at home and at school to respect our elders, irrespective of whether we liked them or not.

    Over the years, children have been given more rights then the parents. You can't give a kid a clip round the ear anymore, without the propect of being sued. You can't shout at them for fear of being abused back or targeted at a later time/date.

    How should we tackle anti social behaviour? You can't as those causing ASB have more rights than you and will simply walk free for any charges, and thus target you for dropping them in it in the first place.

  • Comment number 34.

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  • Comment number 35.

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  • Comment number 36.

    I think a lot of people are in denial about the causes of anti social behaviour. Society itself. It is not just children commiting these offences but adults as well. There is no respect in this country any more for anybody let alone the police. This is not a new problem, it has been occuring since the eighties. Children have not been brought up to respect their own parents let alone the police and those in authority.

  • Comment number 37.

    Drop semantic weasel words like 'anti-social behaviour' : an act is either a criminal offence or it is not.

    Like many others here, I feel a return to local beat bobbies who know everyone in their area would be beneficial. People driving past in cars cannot hope to get to know the people they serve - neither the law-abiding whom they should be protecting nor the rapscallions with whom they ought to be having a few words.

  • Comment number 38.

    How can you have any confidence in a police force that refuses to take on travellers who have nicked someones van "because it's too dangerous" - I have some news for you PC Plod, that's what we pay you for, that's what you signed up for.

    They are, on the other hand, very quick to arrest old ladies for the heinous crime of reading names at the cenetaph and old men who have the sheer audacity to heckle the front bench in what we imagined was a democracy. Quite how these things happened under anti-terrorism laws is a mystery but they managed it. This sort of thing, by the way Plod, is NOT what we pay you for and is certainly not (I hope) what you signed up for.

    Start policing the way the vast majority of people want you to instead of pandering to unelected twits in cabinet positions (another mystery) and you might find yourselves regaining some of the respect you complain you are losing.

  • Comment number 39.

    How many people complaining about thr police have/or would answer 'Yes' to this question.
    'Are you willing to attend court and give evidence?'

    Unless you want to pay the increased taxes that would put police on every street corner it has to be a partnership in which the public play their full part.

  • Comment number 40.

    I was in in Belarus a few years back and the evening I arrived there were approx 150 teens congregated around a big pond in the city centre. They were all drinking alcohol and playing guitars and messing aorund etc. I thought this will be interesting at 11pm tonight. I sat on my apartment balcony and then slept after watching them for some time. The next morning when i went for a walk around this pond all the cans/bottles were put under the seats or around them and a bin van came around and collected them. I was speaking to a local a few days later and said if this was the UK the bottles would be smashed and the pond full of cans, not to mention the hell that would break loose at 11pm with teens full of drink. I was told if they misbehave the Police will come around and they will get locked up for a week, no if, no buts. The parents will be fined. Worked just fine as i seen it.
    WE ARE FAR TOO SOFT ON CRIME...HARD SENTENCES WILL MEAN LESS CRIME! ITS COMMON SENSE.

  • Comment number 41.

    Its odd that people buy into being told that you need to see the police on foot. Its all well and good until a quick response is needed and the nearest officer on foot is half a mile away.....on foot. Or a PCSO attends...on foot...and then calls for a warranted officer...on foot.
    I work within a force that is ASB pro-active, but when on ASB patrol I will be bounced all over the place to respond to incidents...in a vehicle. However, upon arrival we will leave the vehicle to deal with whatever is in front of me, as are my colleagues. That is the reality of it.
    I conduct foot patrol on my neighbourhood area, yet the comments of 'I never see an officer' never end. Why? Simply because as I walk past, if people dont see me then I must never have been there. Very demoralising.
    On the other end of the matter I have attended countless public meetings and been berrated for lack of police response to ongoing ASB, which will catch me by suprise as I had no knowledge. I return to the station, check the systems and find that the person complaining about the ongoing issue has not reported it. Unfortunately this is far from uncommon.
    How to deal with ASB?
    Simple.
    Each offender must be held fully accountable within the judicial system so that being an offender is seen to be something to fear.
    Parents should not see their children as innocent bystanders, whilst blaming that childs friends (another common feature).
    ABSOs/ASBIs/Section 30 dispersal areas should be easier to obtain, not harder.
    There should be no need to grant an Alcohol Restricted Zone as it should be in all public places, unless and exemption is applied for. Why do people need to meet up and get drunk in the streets/parks?
    More police, more vehicles/bikes for responding.
    Just a thought.

  • Comment number 42.

    The locals trouble makers just laugh when anyone threatens them with calling the police, recently they shouted back at an OAP you'll be better calling the fire brigade the ******* police won't do nuffing..

    Do you know what they're right, i've discovered if you threaten to take the law into your own hands there's a higher chance they will attend, more than likely to arrest you to be honest.

    I have NO faith whatsoever in my local police force NONE at all in fact i find them contemptable.

  • Comment number 43.

    I had my car vandalised several times, which I reported to the police. Each time they wrote back to me reporting that it was "criminal damage to property worth less than £5000" - the fact that the cost of the damage was immaterial to me, that my car was not drivable, was not something they were interested in : they were able to classify the crime and tick all their little boxes. They never linked any of them and they never even came round to look at it, even when I told them I had the rock that had been smashed into the windscreen.

    They seemed more concerned about if I was white and British, than the actual damage itself. The last act of vandalism basically wrote the vehicle off and they said they would come round, but never did, so I complained and they turned up several days later, by which time any evidence at the scene had been washed away in the rain.

    Eventually I got a letter saying that they'd investigated the crime but had not been able to charge anyone. They increased patrols of community officer during the day (all the acts of vandalism has occurred at night) for a few days and then it went back down to the usual total lack of police presence.

    The whole experience has left me with no confidence in my local police force who seem to be unwilling to get out of their police stations and away from their paperwork and actually do the jobs they're paid to do.

  • Comment number 44.

    It is obvious from the many comments on this site that there is a huge problem with anti social behaviour. It is truly heart rending when the Police are well paid to deal with the problems, and so are Council workers. In USA they would have robustly sorted out the problems on the street.

    A good example is Woodhall, in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, where the youths who regularly commit arson are treated to Halloween trips, just so residents can enjoy a Halloween night without fear of being egged or fireworks posted through their letter box or their car torched. Bad behaviour is rewarded and the good kids get nothing for being obedient.

    What sort of example does this set ?


  • Comment number 45.

    1. Take away the ridiculous targets imposed on the police, and let them do what they're supposed to do.

    2. Remove the stupid restrictions on parents and teachers about disciplining children: by preventing schools and parents from punishing children, we've created a generation that has no fear of any consequences of their actions.

  • Comment number 46.

    There is no risk of losing the public's confidence; the police lost the confidence of the public long ago. The government is responsible for the police becoming, themselves, a bunch of out-of-control thugs. That same government is obsessed with speed limits, and the police have taken their cue, preferring the easy option of hounding motorists rather than doing anything remotely difficult like policing the streets. Again under this government it has become too contentious to do anything where ethnic monorities are involved, so there are dual standards of policing. As for dealing with anti-social behaviour,if the police are needed, it is too late. This has to be tackled in schools, teaching proper standards, a problem for which, yet again, this government is responsible, and manifestly incapable of doing anything about. The answer to your question is " a change of government", fast.

  • Comment number 47.

    There has been a pste of incidents reported in the media in recent years where police have ignored various calls for help, particularly from vulnerable members of society.

    Whenever i hear one of these cases i wonder how calls police must ignore on a daily basis for every one that becomes public.

    It suggests to me that there is a culture within the police of ignoring minor crimes. I don't know whether its because of the paper work or whether some officers consider it beneath their dignity, or maybe they just don't like having to interact with chavs.

    Whatever the reason its not acceptable. If laws are not enforced they might as well not exist.

  • Comment number 48.

    Too often now the police in the UK are being used for political purposes, i.e. to break up demonstrations, and to penalise the motorist instead of going after criminals. It seems to me that what the politicians want from the police and what the public want from the police are very different.

  • Comment number 49.

    If I went to my local court now there will gangs of teenagers and young men standing outside smoking and blocking the footpath, they are waiting to appear in court for anti-social offences, they will be fined which non of them can pay because they are almost all on benefits so they know they can carry on making peoples lives a misery and nothing is done. It would be nice to walk past knowing most of them would be going to prison but thats not going to happen

  • Comment number 50.

    Giving bobbies back the power to deliver a good cuff round the ear rather than pussyfooting about "human rights" while the yobs laugh. Stocks were a pretty good deterrent. You don't look like such a big guy with rotting veg and a chamber pot on your head!

  • Comment number 51.

    I think it is the responsibility of us all to tackle anti social behaviour not just the police. We as a society have allowed anti social behaviour to worsen over time. For example being drunk in public, particularly if you were a woman was a taboo thirty years ago now it seems to be a badge of honour.
    If we are to improve the situation we have to introduce draconian measures, and start punishing people much sooner,by way of fines and community service.
    I have a lot of sympathy for the police, as they have to complete endless paperwork just to posecute someone for a minor offence, and more often than not the individual ommitting the offence will not be prosecuted. It easy to understand why they don't both with anti social crimes anymore.

  • Comment number 52.

    "How should police tackle anti-social behaviour? "


    The police are to soft with these people, they should go in hard violence is all these people understand, go in hard then send them to prison.

  • Comment number 53.

    Why do we always blame anti social behaviour on the Police, this is not a Police problem it is a social society problem. 40 years ago we didn’t need Police officers patrolling our streets to control out of control thugs that’s because parents were responsible.

    The Britain we live in today requires both parents need to work to meet their financial commitments, 40 years ago mum was at home looking after the kids while dad was out working.

    It’s no wonder our children are growing up out of control, growing up feeling inadequate unwanted and alone, the only way to stop the ongoing creation of even more problem children is to parent them properly.

    Take the responsibility away from the Police who have much better things to do and place that responsibility upon the parent of the child. Fine them, jail them make them responsible for their Childs actions that way they will begin to parent knowing that it will be them who suffer for allowing their child to continue to plague society with the problems they create.

    As taxpayers we are paying for other parents failures to control their children, make them pay.

  • Comment number 54.

    Zero tolerance and then when the POLICE have caught whoever is causing the problem, the troublemakers get 24 hours in the stocks. Then those on the receiving end of the criminal and selfish acts undertaken to deliberately make people miserable can have their revenge.

  • Comment number 55.

    Removing some of the targets that the Police now have might be a good start.

    Most anti social behaviour starts in the home, too many dysfunctional families with children who have no respect for anyone.

    I cannot remember when I last saw a Police Officer on his or her feet, our local PCSO does actually a very good job wth the limited powers that he has but has to cover a very large erea.

    There was a time, not really that long ago that every village had a police house with a real policeman living there. There was also a time when local police stations were open 24 hours a day 7 days a week. the police houses have been sold and it is probably only a matter of time before some sttions are s well.

    Many of the anti social problems on the streets would be nipped in the bud by a police presence.

  • Comment number 56.

    The defence against the report used by Greater Manchester is that the figures are five months out of date. I'm sure that the report published could not have been produced much quicker if it was to be a sensible review of the "current" state of affairs. I'm glad that GMP believe that improvements have been made in the past five months but this does rather suggest that the report is factually correct for 2009 (as long as the report is clear that the figures are at a point in time and is not meant to be 'up to the minute') and therefore there was a problem that has now been recognised by GMP.

    Policing does seem dependent on the use of vehicles and, as noted by another respondent, officers could almost be protected from reality within their cars. I used to live in Nottingham in the early 1990's and it was a well known fact that any incident on a certain housing estate would be attended by at least two vehicles with two officers in each using lights and sirens - not to get to the incident fast but to make sure the culprits heard them coming and had left the area before police attendance since that was a way of making sure the incident ended without formal intervention. Are things much different now? There may also be a feeling of 'status' within Forces when officers, or PCSOs, are allowed to use police vehicles on official business.

    Police visibility 'on the streets' is required - but in black uniform rather than hi-visibility vests since the latter can be off-putting to law-abiding citizens - but such visibility should not be limited to police vehicles. The 'bobby on the beat' may not be the optimum use of resource in financial terms but being familiar with the neighbourhood (and the neighbourhood being familiar with their local officer) would improve public confidence that their area was important to the police. However such a move would reduce the amount of time officers would have for completing the administration required following any arrest or incident but surely modern IT equipment should be able to minimise the administrative burden?

    Anti-social behaviour is a crime against the community and should be treated as such - but other agencies (local councils, youth agencies etc) also need to play their part in minimising the impact on the community and should be supported, not necessarily by direct intervention but certainly by accepting the need for the return to a neighbourhood where all members of the community feel safe and able to assist where appropriate. Such assistance may be providing activities for young people to remove them from 'the streets' or by supporting the justice process via Youth Offender Panels, Special Constabulary, Magistracy etc.

    A community problem should have a community response - and the Police are, and should be, part of that community.

  • Comment number 57.

    Just lock them up until they are unlikely to do it again.

  • Comment number 58.

    Since the coming of ''enlightened parenting'' feral children have grown up into feral teenagers. Parents are now looking the other way when their offspring commit any crime whether in school or on the streets. But touch the little darlings, put them into detention after hours at school and they use the full extent of the latest pussyfoot laws to prove their children are only ''being high spirited''.The police Chief has all our sympathy and support.

  • Comment number 59.

    Anti-social behaviour should be countered by a policy of ruthless zero tolerance. Perpetrators of this sort of offence should be considered to have surrendered any claim to have their own 'human rights' protected. (What about the human rights of the victims of anti-social behaviour?). Members of the public, in their attempts to suppress anti-social behaviour, should also be 'protected' rather than treated by the police on an equal basis to the perpetrators. No more being nice to yobs. Stop blaming society. Knowledge of right from wrong has nothing to do with personal wealth.

  • Comment number 60.

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  • Comment number 61.

    Is this looking at the problem in the wrong way? As a society we need to take back control in the first place. We have moved steadily to a society where "bad" behaviour amongst the young must not be punished. This means that children grow up believing that there will be no consequence as a result of their actions. This state continues until something so serious is committed that action has to be taken. At that point, society hand wringing takes place and complaints about the failure of police to take action arise. If children were brought up in a society that ensured that "bad" actions resulted in punishment, they would learn respect for others.
    A flock of pigs has just passed my window.

  • Comment number 62.

    21. At 07:42am on 11 Mar 2010, Ron

    Recommended! Talks complete sense.

  • Comment number 63.

    If I posted my solution it would probably not be printed here.
    Basically a lot of the scum that perpetuate these crimes are a waste of human skin. They should be dealt with in the only way that would make them understand, that their behavior is unacceptable to society.
    By this I mean physically harsh. At the very least the birch should be brought back.
    I know this would bring a howl of protest from the wooly PC brigade, but lets face it the current arrangements don't work.
    Why should the innocent be insulted, maimed and sometimes be killed by these idiots.

  • Comment number 64.

    Needs to be nipped in the bud and that means starting with good parenting. But that means making huge changes in society and it just isn't going to happen. The police in my area of London are obviously too busy dealing the burglaries and lots worse. But we do meet up with them from time to time. There needs to be more police and specially trained units to deal with all the feral kids and gangs around here. Are we willing to pay more council tax?

  • Comment number 65.

    It's been a fact of life for decades that the Police do not turn up for many less serious crimes and in some cases have discouraged the reporting of them.

    But let's be fair to the Police, why should they have to pick up the pieces for failed or the lack of effective social policy?

    Isn't anti social behaviour down to parenting, social conditions (the norm in the area), schools (standards within) and peer presure (trouble breeds more trouble)?

    As a society we've all presided over the change in family life as more and more parents both work and travel more leading to ever less time for their children.

    Disfunctional families have been increasing for decades including within so called middle class homes.

    In some areas crime waves have followed imigration waves when seasonal workers find themselves out of work (according to locals).

    We can not blame the Police for this, it's down to Greed and Government Policy (or the lack of it).

  • Comment number 66.

    It is costly to have more police on the streets. The costs are paid by Mr & Mrs average, people who do not create problems, most likley people like you. Why should you have to pay? The same applies throughout the criminal justice and penal system. Why not have massive penalties for all wrongdoing to *deter* would-be offenders? Deterrrence is the important issue; if people know when they are caught the penalty will be *massive* they might think twice before offending. I'm qute sure anti-social behaviour and criminality breed more of the same. If we could wring some of it from society we might break the vicious circle. And remember, if we are able to deter would be miscreants we shal not only have less problems caused by their behaviour we shall have less people being punished. It could be a win-win situation. The only losers woud be a few villains who took a chance. Tough!

    *massive*...I mean whatever it takes to have effect. If thet means flogging and hanging, so be it. If it works as a *deterrent* we shall only threaten such punishments, not actually use them. Maybe a few crooks will get whacked or strung up. I don't care, if it makes life safer and better for the decent majority. I'm sick of all the do gooders and their sympathy for crooks. They are guilty of condoning wrong. If it were up to me, they would be the first for a good whacking. If I couldn't knock some sense into them I'd at least shut them up!

  • Comment number 67.

    I live in South West London in a great and ideal area but this location is being ruined by anti social behaviour! Groups of youths with agressive dogs, drugs and so on are threatening people. They would even leave those dogs in front of your front door! Last night the Police was called but obviously they turn up as noisy as they can so the Gangs can run away. I agree with a previous post as they do not take community officers seriously. The Police put a warning notice that I found on the floor the following day. They need to send plain clothes police officers at night by foot! They could come as if they were paying a visit to some friends and they would realize how scary it is to walk pass those young drug smoking thugs with very agressive dogs. They are even ruining the whole garden on the estates. If I had the choice, I would move out as quickly as possible as I remain convinced that something serious would happen and the Police would take no responsability for it. We pay rents and taxes to live like prisonners in our own Flats. Dugs, Dogs and refusal to go to school are a very dangerous combination and also it looks like they have no parents at all. Where do they live? Why are they allowed to control a whole area is beyond my understanding. Freedom gone mad, I say!

  • Comment number 68.

    Unlike the more conventional "do-gooders" I think that incarsaration is completely wrong. I believe that anybody who is under the age of 25 should be attached to a special unit of the Army where they would be tought the art of respect, and should this not work send them to the front line. When we sent youngsters to prison the end product is a more professional criminal. Do we want that? I think not. cruel to be kind is the motto we should use.

  • Comment number 69.

    About 18 months ago in a devon town 67 cars had their tyres slashed, 200 tyres in total.

    Other than taking note of these and issuing "crime reference" numbers nothing has been done to identify those responsible.

    Had a police car's tyres been slashed no doubt those responsible would have been found.
    The po lice are quick enough attacking us but not in defending us.

    Still I suppose those whose cars were on the public highway (not on their private drives) can think themselves lucky not to have been prosecuted for having a vehicle on the road with defective tyres.

  • Comment number 70.

    Police forces have lost public confidence, so they cannot lose something they no longer have. it is important to note that this isn't just about Anti Social Behaviour, it is about the utter contempt that they treat the public at large with. it is about the Civil rights that we all have that they blatantly ignore. it is about the way that a householder I know that could not get the police to their house for two weeks after they had been burgled, but they almost run over an old woman to get someone who (as it transpired hadn't) had been accused of shoplifting. and who can forget their abuse of the Stop and Search powers they were given a few years ago.

    I have no confidence in them.

  • Comment number 71.

    One simple example:- Three young lads in my local town, known to be the main problem perpetrators of 'minor'crime in the area (theft of and damage to Cars), although they were arrested and taken before the courts over 100 times in one year the Courts, under the guidance of Home Office rules did not lock them up! The game was Offend, Arrest, Court, Re-offend on the way home. AT the end of the Year the three youths accounted for 50% of the recorded crime in the area, in spite of having been arrested for most of them. The failure was completely in the hands of the Courts, aided by those who prevented the removal of criminals from our streets.
    Second example:- Police Sergeant and Assistant Chief Constable on foot patrol in main shopping street in Portsmouth during the late evening hear the crash of broken glass from a shop around the nearest corner. They run to the scene, there was no-one in the street. CCTV shows two shadows running into nearby ally leading to warren of side streets and alleyways. Every other Officer in area already committed to violent incidents or waiting to book in Prisoner to Custody Centre. Who to arrest? How to prevent re-occurrence?
    Third example:- Football crowd going to match, hundreds of people, stone thrown though shop window behind Police Officers 20 yards away. Instant attendance by Officers, and detention of noisy group of 10 pointed out by witness. Problem in that witness cannot Identify who threw the stone, therefore NO evidence for Court so no-one can be arrested and charged.
    There are thousands of examples available to illustrate the three main problems in dealing with anti social behaviour.
    1. The Courts, under Home Office rules, failing to impose adequate penalties, especially for Juveniles, or even for Adults. In 1969 the Fine for being 'Drunk and Disorderly' in Andover Mags Court was £25 + £5 costs.(more than a weeks wages, or 100 pints of Beer) Portsmouth Mags Court recently fined someone the same amount more 40 years later.
    2. The difficulty in obtaining, and producing, evidence of some offences. A charge of Causing Criminal Damage is nearly always impossible to prove, there is seldom any residual evidence to be gathered, seldom witnesses and seldom any forensic evidence to find.
    3. There is a myth that 'Bobbys on the Beat' prevent crime. The truth is that the offences occur round the corner out of the sight of the Police Officer.
    Ultimately until there is a criminal justice system that adequately deals with minor crime the offender has no reason not to offend. The Police can, and do get offenders to court, the failures are firmly at the feet of those who worry more about the offender than the public.

  • Comment number 72.

    It's not as if the main trouble spots and the regular offenders are not known to the local Police, so they should adopt the same or similar tactics to when tackling road offenders and have a concerted effort to "catch a few rabbits" and lock them up for the night in a Police cell. Then if their behaviour continues to be a nuisance let them feel the full force of the law.

  • Comment number 73.

    Most probably whatever we come up with will be met with " But it's against my/their human rights."
    Aye Right!!
    Well let's get the majority's Human Rights sorted FIRST...then let's ACT when anyone, not just the young, offend?
    Is it just me......am I missing something...LESS talk how we should proceed AND about some REAL action ???

  • Comment number 74.

    "The police main job is to stop and prevent serious crime? not to be play ground supervisors, or stop private car owners' . Anti social behaviour should be for local councils to stop by fineing supermarkets and shop who sell alcohol to young children and under age youths?. who cause much of the troubles in every neighbour hood, All people drinking on the streets should be stopped and fined. Homeless people should be given help to stop drinking in every main city.Bad neighbours, should all be moved to a large sink estate by the council. The police should have nothing to do with this probelm.

  • Comment number 75.

    I think jumping on the Police force is far too easy,how about having a go at those who have created this maze of paper work and stifling legislation instead, how about jumping on the courts,who after a police man or woman has put their lives on the line,only give the criminal minimum sentence or sometimes no sentence at all,how about jumping on the powers that let dangerous criminals out far too early so they can continue in their life of crime.With all these burdens,no wonder our police do not have time or resources for these small but important crimes.

  • Comment number 76.

    I am a victim of abso behaviour. In my mind, the behaviour to target is on-going low level actions which are, by the victim, seen as intimidating. How do you do this? Firstly, you accept that the victim is being intimidated - I think a lack of empathy is an issue.

    Do not go for the soundbite that this is our failed youth - there are a considerable number of middle aged asbo's.

  • Comment number 77.

    On Radio 4 this morning was a shining example of a career political policemans answer that the problem was not knowing which agency should deal with the anti - social behaviour and not effectively passing the report on to the said agency, when someone reports it to the police. Well, believe it or not Mr policeman, but if I were to ring the police about such a problem I would want the police to look into it , if he was trying to say they did not have enough police to deal with these matters then he should have said so , if he is to worried about his career to speak openly on radio about public concerns, then he should not in my opinion be in that position as i want and expect open and honest answers from him . regarding other agencies- who are they? and who is responsible for what? , it all appears too complicated and when a member of the public needs help they do not need confusion over this issue.
    it appears it is not only politicians who are good at saying " not me Guv" it's someone elses responsibility.

  • Comment number 78.

    Well after having £2k's worth of dammage done to my car, (cost of having it off the road, lost work, not insured for that kind of dammage & so on.) and not forgetting everyone elses car which get's a kicking every Thursday/Friday/Saturday night but instead REGULARLY seeing police parked up doing stop & checks to see which CAR DRIVER is breaking the law/speeding etc I have zip respect for the bosses who decide who does what. (The beat copper has a tough job & I hope they are starting to stand up to their bosses regarding policing priorities and shopping their bent coleagues too. They can't fire all of you! Never mind the internal over 'PC' rubbish that goes on. If one of your top people is a crook what does that say to the public? That 'PC' game is a diversion, nothing more.)
    Coppers are glorified parking wardens & that's all now. Not forgetting the warning signs all over Maidstone saying pick pockets are opperating in the area without a wiff of a copper in sight. Bet your bottom quid I'd get hung & dried in court if I dared to defend myself too. Yes I know I could get hurt. So what? My decision. Tired of being told I have to bend over and take it.
    Take the handcuffs of the law abiding folk & let them defend themselves with reasonable force. The kids are running riot because there are no consiquenses for them. Work out how many hours of your life in work the vandles cost you. They're stealing bits of your life. Bits you wanted to use for something else.

  • Comment number 79.

    Scrap ASBOs, give the Police cattle prods.
    Scrap prison, flog 'em, in public.
    Make it fast, make it hurt, make it cheap.

  • Comment number 80.

    Anti-social behaviour is talking too loudly on your mobile on the train. Throwing stones at windows and vandalising cars is criminal damage. Constantly banging on someone's doors or windows is harassment, verbal abuse can be assault. Sir Hugh Orde suggested that people should contact agencies other than the police if they are suffering from 'anti-social behaviour'. Which other agencies exactly? People's lives are being ruined by crime and the police need to take it seriously.

  • Comment number 81.

    Firstly. We need a complete mind set change about the notion that children are small adults. They are not. Their brains have not yet formed completely; they have around 50% of the reasoning capacity of adults and empathy and thought for others is at a lower level to an adult brain. All advanced animal societies chastise their offspring. Whether that involves a growl or a swipe of a paw, why do we believe our offspring are different? They aren't.
    I really pity the modern child. Bought up with the notion that they can do anything they like with the severest punishment being 5 minutes on the 'naughty step'. T.V., adverts and magazines screaming at them to become adults when they haven't even put nappies behind them. Entering school safe in the knowledge that no teacher has the power to even shout at them, let alone touch them. And we wonder why we have a problem? Sort out the above, then you will not have a problem to police.

  • Comment number 82.

    Stop calling crimes "anti-social behaviour"! As the report rightly points out, the difference is artificial and all crimes should be recorded as such. It would then be easier to identify repeat offenders and repeat victims.

  • Comment number 83.

    I disagree with lots of the negative comments about the police on here, their hands are often tied and they do a job which is now lead by 'targets' and 'public opinion'.

    Unfortunately, if your problem isn't in focus for the current batch of targets or doesn't match whatever the local/national media are baying for then it won't get resolved quickly. What this country needs is a police *force* (yes, they're not a police force any more, they're a service now and you're their customer) that isn't beholden to the whims of the media or politicians, whichever pressure group has shouted loudest that month and isn't afraid to say boo to a minority group for fear of being labelled as un PC PCs.

    We need a police force that can stand up for itself, be independant of politics and uphold the law, one that can even enforce the law where necessary.

    If you want to know what the modern Police are all about, I suggest you search online for Inspector Gadget.

  • Comment number 84.

    I can't remember the last time I saw a Bobby on the beat in my neighbourhood, but I can remember the dozen or so times I asked kids to stop hurling rocks at each other near people's cars and houses.
    The good thing is I am ex-Armed Forces and was able to "encourage" them to move on or they would...... I leave the rest to your imagination. They don't bother me any more, neither do the gangs in our local park, with whom I have had "discussions" about their language and behaviour.
    The Police are losing the trust of the public and the battle to keep our streets safe.
    I have been offered a place in a local vigilante group, which I am seriously considering. If the Police can't keep our neighbourhoods, old people and law-abiding citizens safe, then I know people who can.
    A sad day when our law enforcement representatives have failed us. Sir Robert Peel will be turning in his grave!!

  • Comment number 85.

    As an ex- school governor I frequently heard the same few troublemakers names from the ages of 10 upwards. They are about 21-22 now, the four main ones are in prison for violent/theft offences. Long may they stay there. The trail of fear, destruction and long term upset they have caused in the area just gets swept away by the justice system. Despite years of police etc intervention they proved worthless to the vast majority of people and removing them from the streets has been the way to resolve the problem. Removing them from the education system would have been appropriate.
    Do I live in a city, depressed area? No, nice market town in Oxfordshire. I conclude that our all inclusive, love them all social system for children fails.

  • Comment number 86.

    As the saying goes a Policemans lot is not a happy one!
    I am a serving police officer of 20 years and have witnessed the demise of all Police Authority and social collapse over those years.
    I could get on my soap box about many things but I will comment only about this topic. Not to justify failings within the Police service (force a taboo word), but to highlight some areas where many cops and I mean cops are left frustrated and demotivated by the Politcal issues and Corprate spin that seems to determine how we Police.
    Its all about appeasing the Government with stats and figures. The way the home office and local authorities determine how we Police in line with this ideal is one reason why the public dont see cops on the street or tackling crime in a straight forward and positive manner. This and all the red tape and beaurocratic pressures on front line policing prevents Police officers getting out there and re assurring the public and more importantly victims.

    The Police service is not and cannot be run like any other company. We dont design, manufactuer, market, produce, distribute units to others for profit to exist. We deal with people and theyre free will. Something we cannot pre empt or second guess. So why is it that ranks from inspector upward are now so driven by stats and appeasing those above them with monthly figures, graphs and flow charts?
    This doesnt deter or detect crime.
    The importance is not how many burglaries or robberies have been committed its what are we the Police, courts and the government going to actually do about it.

    Anti social behaviour can only be tackled by cops on the streets taking positive action not ticket giving or being kept inside police stations form filling so that some statistician can finish off the pie chart for the next management meeting.

    To re assure victims and the pulic front line Police should be left to Police in a positive and fair way without fear of criticism and copious amounts of form filling.

    The Police service is now run by people who were once cops but have lost sight of what the public and Police need and it has been replaced with spin, corprate buzz words and beaurocricy.

    need to know more.........

  • Comment number 87.

    It is hard to believe in these days of computers and databases that police, or other officials, can't quickly and efficiently manage anti-social complains and concerns. If a complaint has been submitted it is quite simple to log it and correlate it to previous or similar issues.

    I have made numerous complaints to the police, the council, the councilor and the neighbouring school about the amount of litter being thrown into our back garden by students. Granted this is a trivial concern when compared to the anti-social behaviour experienced by others but I believe things like littering are a first step towards greater and more damaging behaviour patterns.

    To date we've had minimal interest from either of these groups. The police did visit our home to 'discuss' the problem and even followed up with an e-mail (unfortunately the e-mail came immediately after the Christmas school break when no litter would be expected) but the school, the council and the councilor have never shown an interest in the problem. Wouldn't you expect someone to follow-up on our complaint and ask if the problem has increased, decreased or remained the same? That is what's not happening. A complaint is made and the authorities quickly forget about it. I dare say if I made another complaint the authorities would not be able to link it to previous communications.

    I understand everyone is busy and probably feel they have no time to follow up on trivial calls but I also believe this is a major contributor to escalating anti-social behaviour. The anti-social individual is being taught their behaviour is acceptable and no action is likely until something extreme, like arson or suicide, occurs. Unfortunately, by then it is too late and the person's social attitude has been defined. Then we seem to have the funds to try and rehabilitate the individual.

    We have Community Support Police Officers, the school has an officer permanently assigned (how sad is it that we need police officers assigned to our schools?) and the school administration itself surely must have some responsibility for students even when they're in the school yard but no one seems able to stop or control our complaint and that of our neighbours.

    I can't see police budgets increasing too significantly so we need to make more effective use of the funds we have. The authorities seem to only take it serious when someone dies or when significant damage occurs. If more time and effort was focused on the beginning of anti-social behaviour perhaps we wouldn't see the extremes like a woman killing herself and her daughter. Unfortunately, that means we don't see improvements or benefits for a number of years and most politicians and I would say senior administrators (schools, police, council, etc.) focus too much on immediate results, so they can reap the benefits of short term success, rather than long term solving the problem.

  • Comment number 88.

    It would appear that the police have degenerated to little more than a branch of local government.
    They have all of the same politically correct attitudes, are buried under the same mountain of regulation and paperwork, and appear quite oblivious to the anarchy taking place on the streets of our cities.

    Perhaps the idea of elected police chiefs is a good one. If they know that bad performance will see the public consign them to the scrap heap, they just might have the incentive to stop persecuting the motorist, and pursue a few criminals instead.

  • Comment number 89.

    The HMCI failed to mention the Police are under resourced and have been for decades. In December 2009 the government announced another 500 million budget cut over the next three years for the Policing service, but the Police are still expected to do more for less.

    Don't get me wrong, there is always room for improvement and one of the biggest frustrations I find for working for one of the Police forces in the UK is poor management. Police forces are run like business when in fact they are not. The Police service is a public service. Senior Police officers who have no idea of how to run a business are attempt to run it as such, and failing miserably.

  • Comment number 90.

    We lived with this in a small village in South Warwickshire in the late eighties and through the ninties. Numourous calls to Warwickshire Police elicited the following responses
    1. There is nothing we can do
    2. A Police Officer from Alcester visited us in our home and told us that if we kept calling them they would stop comming out.
    My response was to make citzen arrests and call either their parents or the police to come and collect their wayward children. Despite handing over serveral youths and evidence to the police nothing was done.
    Confidence in the police is now non existent. We now live in a town in Worcestershire. We hear the police, usually wailing past the house, sometimes see them but when they have been called to attend youths doing wheelies up the estate roads they don't bother.
    The Police need taking gently by the throat and reminding what they are there for - to Protect and Serve!

  • Comment number 91.

    I think it would help if we had some sort of secret police,that patrol the streets in civilian clothes, and when they see someone commiting a crime they become judge, jury and executioner. They should be allowed to beat someone half to death if they consider it is appropriate. Of course many people wouldn't like this so all knowledge of the secret police would have to denied.

  • Comment number 92.

    Sooner or later we will have to get back to having real police officers on the streets.
    I was a police officer in the 50's and 60's. I walked everywhere on my beat and dealt with everything. I went into shops and pubs and spoke to people and got to know things which could then be acted upon. Many places including villages had a resident police officer who knew everybody and sorted things out.
    Today I am afraid the police have lost the ability to walk, they do not communicate with people in case they are told something which causes them work.
    I occasionally see a 4 wheel drive police vehicle pass through our village, it usually contains two officers, they don't stop or even wind the window down to speak to people. They don't see anything or get to hear anything. The youths see them and carry on doing what they were about as soon as the vehicle is out of sight.
    There needs to be a real sorting out in the police service, far too many vehicles for them to ride about in. Far too much time spent in the police stations. Discipline needs to return and supervising officers need to enforce it.
    I had a chief inspector who dropped into the police station at all hours of the night. It wasn't unusual for him to creep in at 3am or 4am and woe betide anyone found in the police station without just cause.

  • Comment number 93.

    Police complain they are losing the respect of the community, well they only have themselves to blame.

    Because of rampant police corruption in the 1970's the responsibility for taking villans to court was removed from the police and given to a bunch of time-serving bureaucrats the CPS.

    The canteen-culture, spanish practices that would shame a left-wing trade union, and politicised officers kow-towing to politicians, all have resulted in a largely invisible, discredited force.

    I have had to deal with police who have received numerous complaints from the public, only to be told they had no records of any complaint because nothing had been entered onto their computor. This is a neat little trick by the police. If you make a complaint and the police do not give you an incident number it never happened, does not have to be solved, and the statistics look good.

    The police do have to give an incident number if you make an insurance claim for theft, but thats as far as it goes. My wife had her cycle stolen from the municipal baths/sports centre, approximately 200 yards from the police station in the centre of town. The thief was caught on 16 CCTV cameras, was seen cyling away, the sports centre had his details including address which they were prepared to give to the police. What did the police do; issue a number so we could claim on the insurance and then closed the case. They re-opened it at my wife's insistance and finally interviewed the thief two months after the offence, and suprise, suprise he denied it all.

    If the police want our respect they must change their culture.

    First get rid of all those non-ranks (acting assistant deputy chief constable).

    Secondly the ratio of uniformed police officers at work and out of the station to those inside, should NEVER be less than 2/3 to 1.

    Treat ALL crime as important. Target known offenders and pressure them to behave. (The aggressive tactics of Ray Mallon in Middlesbrough reduced burglary and street crime by 60%).

    Take off the streets people who are causing a public disturbance and sentence them to be locked up for several weeks each friday/saturday night. They will soon think twice about causing trouble if they are locked up and their mates are having a good time.

  • Comment number 94.

    Not everywhere has these problems.

    In the worst areas, gangs of kids just run off into the night when police turn up after violent or criminal damage behaviour has been reported.
    These incidents happen again & again with the same groups.
    Softly softly is NOT the answer.
    I would use the police to ambush these groups & round them up & deal with them properly, making their parents go to police station & even give the parents a warning and even ban the parents from pubs & buying alcohol etc if their kids dont improve. Make the parents legally attend behavioural meetings.

    If at the end of the day, these people refuse help & advise etc & to change, then I'd personally just dump them on a remote island & let them get on with it.
    I am sick of forever paying more & more of my taxes to deal with cretinous nasty people who just refuse any & all decency of behaviour.

    No country can afford the continual costs of such people. If they don't want to be part of a good society, then I think be rid of them. I'd even make them into dog food so they have at least some beneficial purpose.
    Choice is simple, either behave or suffer consequences, but in our liberalist humane society, these nasty people are protected and more often than not cause continuous massive damage to others in society.

  • Comment number 95.

    The problem is the police have been totally demoralised by this government and spend so much time filling in forms and taking part in Labour' social engineering projects that they do not have time for old fashioned coppering.

  • Comment number 96.

    If anti-social behavior is ignored by the police the perpetrators begin to believe that whatever they do is acceptable and "right". We trivialize car theft by calling it "Joy Riding" we trivialize harassment and intimidation by saying youths have nowhere else to go, we trivialize benefit fraud and theft from shops. We even trivialize violence and excuse murder, rape, mugging etc but woe betide you if you object to extortionate council tax and you will be detained as a potential terrorist if you heckle a government minister.

    When my car got broken into the police turned up 2 weeks later and were rather upset because I had had the damage repaired even though they told me they would not attend the scene and to go ahead and repair it. Other people I have come across have had similar experiences with the police when they reported a crime they were made to feel like the criminal not the victim. I have lost faith in the police service (do they still provide a service?). I know of few people who do still have an unqualified faith in them mainly because the only time you can be sure of seeing one is at a major traffic accident.

  • Comment number 97.

    In our area, the biggest obstacles are mid range police wanting to further their careers by making their 'patch' look as if it's under control and simply refuse to even record incidents that prove their fantasy wrong.

    Some local officers really want to help - a minority - but everything halts one step up the chain.

    Some officers are more interested in charging the decent citizen for target achievement & do nothing against the criminals, to the point the residents seriously wonder who-knows-who to have such incredible protection every single time a complaint is made.

  • Comment number 98.

    I would like to see stocks reintroduced to small village squares, such as we have in our litle town. And have the yobs put in them during the weekly market, so more people could ridicule them, and there would be plenty of ammunition available for throwing.

  • Comment number 99.

    The Police need to get out there and do what they are paid for.
    Too many times they choose to take the soft option like hounding ordinary law abiding citizens eg. arresting a man for dariing to blow his nose in his car.

  • Comment number 100.

    Replace the "plastic policemen" with proper police officers. The only PCSO's I see walk around in twos, with little or no public contact - they seem to prefer to deal with a communities usually self-appointed "leaders".
    Policing on the cheap was always doomed, but the accountants running this place told their lackeys the government that all would be well.

 

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