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Can India-Pakistan talks succeed?

09:02 UK time, Thursday, 25 February 2010

India and Pakistan have been holding their first high-level talks since the devastating attacks on the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) at the end of 2008. Will they make a difference?

After the talks, India's Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said that it has taken a "first step" towards rebuilding trust with Pakistan and that the two sides had agreed to remain in touch.

Although no major breakthrough was expected, correspondents say this meeting could eventually pave the way for the resumption of the formal peace process broken off after the 2008 Mumbai attacks in which 174 people were killed, nine of them gunmen.

Are you in Pakistan or India? Is it a good sign that the countries are talking? Or do recent arguments over Kashmir suggest there is little hope for progress?

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  • Comment number 1.

    The Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan is a perennial problem between the two countries. To solidify and worsen it, militant groups on both sides are gaining momentum day by day. Innocent people get killed in the melee. How much space does a man need - six feet. Politicians on either blow hot and cold over Kashmir to distract public attention from domestic issues like the sky-rocketing prices of items of daily consumption and much entwined public transporation. I agree with ex-Prez Clinton when he once said that Kashmir should be an independent country to visit which Indians and Pakistanis may be exempted from visa regulations.Then and then only both India and Pakistan will prosper beyond riches and live a life of peace and amity.

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  • Comment number 3.

    There is no place for terrorism under present world environment. India and Pakistan must talk with each other. When there is friendly atmosphere ,all issues will be resolved. I hope leadership of both the countries must keep in mind interest of their people. As a first step visa rules should be liberalised so that people of both the countries judge themselved the prevailing situation.

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  • Comment number 5.

    The situation between India & Pakistan stems back to the days prior to partition and the respective states gaining independence...there was East & West Pakistan then with the Eastern portion becoming Bangladesh...
    But the Western portion staying as Pakistan & India in general have had poor relations over many subjects since independence...they have had a 'cold-war' situation, an arms race, as well as the on-going dispute over Kashmir.
    The resentment,as well as pure hate at times towards each other is apparent in the way not only Government officials make deal with each other, but also goes down to the man on the street at times and this still encompasses the Caste system...religion when it comes to their dealing wioth one another...
    That great and wise man Mahatma Gandi knew that this would escalate through partition, he was outruled by others...
    One can only hope that tensions will become less & less as both this sub-continent and Asia as a whole needs quality leadership.

  • Comment number 6.

    There can be no alternative to peace. Unfortunately, being peaceful is often mistaken for a sign of weakness. India can only prosper if Pakistan is strong and stable. Pakistan and India have so much in common. Why must we let corrupt politicians decide how we want to interact with each other. Pakistan is as much a victim of terror as India is. I have no hopes from these talks unfortunately BUT I am hopeful that we will find a solution ultimately. For starters, the LoC must be recognised by both countries as a formal, international border. The politicised concepts of 'Azad Kashmir' and 'Pakistan Occupied Kashmir' must go. And the billions that both countries spend on a folly called Siachen must stop. We are both poor countries. We cannot afford this proxy war.

  • Comment number 7.

    No i do not think they should start talks with pakistan, not because of islam or kashmir, but because the people in power and pakistans friends only wish harm on india, i would not trust pakistan due to its ideology of india and do not trust the United States after the 1971 war and the subsequent funding of the ISI knowing funds were being diverted and used in terror attacks on India. I do not thinkt he situation in pakistan is due to islam, it is due to the US funding the wrong people and growing alqueda when they were fighting the russians! pakistan was a new country and steered in the wrong direction by the US, now thye need to get their country back and prove to India they are worthy neighbours!

  • Comment number 8.

    The talks have to succeed. That is the only way that the both countries can move forward. Waging another war will be devastating for both. Kashmir an unsettled dispute has to be solved. Water disputes have to be solved. Both countries cannot afford another war. As both have the capability to target each and every inch of the other. Both claim that they have evidence of the entities of the other country involved in terrorism against them. War is not a solution only talks can bring peace.

  • Comment number 9.

    Red Herring - That is what Kashmir is for India, Pakistan and the rest of the world.
    There are more important issues that need addressing in both the countries, like education, child care, environmental standards, infrastructure, corruption, bureaucracy, judicial system the list is endless. But lets harp on Kashmir so that we do not have to deal with the real problems.

  • Comment number 10.

    I would like to see Pakistan and India getting on and joining to fight terrerism in their part of the world. Also to get on would inprove thrade between the two countries they have a lot to gain and nothing to loose by becoming friends.

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  • Comment number 12.

    Each and every one of India's peace proposals has been met with a violent terrorist attack from Pakistan. I would advise my fellow Indians to brace for another attack.

    India must develop means to retaliate by destroying training camps via covert surgical strikes. Unless that happens, innocent indian civilians will die.

    Finally, the nexus between Pakistani government, ISI and the terrorists network is well known. All the governments that provide aid to Pakistan should be aware that their funds are not being used for welfare. These governments are funding terrorism.

    Please stop funding terrorism aimed at my country.

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  • Comment number 14.

    These U.S.-backed peace talks between India and Pakistan are a big hoax. The two nuclear-armed neighbors can never agree on any agenda, not to talk about talks.

    Experts of the two countries know very well that, in a nuclear war between them, only rest of the world will be the winner. Therefore, the nuclear war-heads will remain only as effective deterrents against any real serious war. They know Sub-continent is a closed land separated by the high mountain ranges called “Roof of the World.” Any nuclear war within the confines of the sub-continent will create radio active fall-out that will remain trapped in the area and continue killing life, almost for ever. But, the rest of the world will never intervene because that is how they can stall the progress of China and India.

    The World afraid of Chinese and Indian exploding economies will be much relived with barriers erected in their progress by diverting their efforts and energies from economy to war preparations. In the first stage, the most durable rivals, Pakistan and India can start erecting barriers in their progress, and then in second stage, it will be China and India. That will be enough to stop galloping economies of the two largest populated countries of the world, each predicted to over-take economy of the US, by 2020 and 2030 respectively, if allowed to proceed unhindered.

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  • Comment number 16.

    I see my comment has been "referred to the moderators". Are we really suggesting that there are no problems within Islam? are we really suggesting that the dozens of countries around the world affected by Islamist terrorists are not part of this debate?

    Are we really suggesting that it's not relevant that Islam is in conflict with EVERY major religion in the world, including itself. Not to mention secularism too.

    Or is it just at the BBC that we can't mention the Elephant in the room?

    Of course this is to do with Islam. It is all part of the SAME conflict we see in dozens of other countries in the world. It's not a separate conflict in India and one in Israel and one in Thailand and one in Philippines and China and Russia etc. It's ONE global conflict.

    Sir Martin Gilbert (a highly respected historian and currently on the Iraq enquiry panel) said that most people are "forgetting to join the dots" with regards to global conflicts with Islamists.

  • Comment number 17.

    Yes, i live in India.Peace loving People of both countries do not want any more war at any cost.Although the doors should keep always open for dialouges,but at this juncture it could not succeed.The illegetimate issue of USA and Pakistan, that is Taliben and Kashmir Issue, these two issues will never settle and parmanent peace will not come.At present the Govt. of India should stop talking and focus on national security.Afgansitan has been ruined by super powers and their allies and the present leadership of pakistan is weak and unstable and has no political will power to tackel the internal disturbance and some countries are playing their games in this region of Globe.

  • Comment number 18.

    I was a daily reader of the HYS and would read, comment, and recommend comments everyday. But thanks to BBC for changing the format of the HYS forum to this new ridiculas portal, I would not be coming back to HYS now. Good bye HYS.

  • Comment number 19.

    Resolve the following issues and there will be no more problems or tensions between the two countries:
    1) Kashmir Issue : Carryout a Plebiscite in accordance with United Nations Resolution and respect the result thereof
    2) Water Issue : India to respect Sindh Taas Treay 1960 and stop building illegitimate dams/water reserviors
    3) Pakistan to ensure that no terroist threat originating from Pakistan remains to India
    4) India to stop watering the terrorism seedling its striving to plant in Baluchistan

    Thats it.

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  • Comment number 21.

    I think these talks are doomed to fail. India needs to stop blaming Pakistan for anything bad that happens in their country and stop blaming Pakistan for all terrorism. Pakistan is doing more to tackle terrorism than India has ever done. Also they need to give Kashmir to Pakistan where it belongs.

  • Comment number 22.

    India and Pakistan have been fighting for as long as I can remember.

    There is a deep divide fuelled by cultural differences and religion. There is no prospect of change.

  • Comment number 23.

    How can this problem be solved when one of the participants actively supports terrorism?

  • Comment number 24.

    SystemF, your analysis is simplistic. As you well know, there are all kinds of historical, sectarian, ethnic, cultural, nationalistic and other influences in the regions which you mention. To lump it all together as Islam vs the World is the interpretation of a 5 year old. True, certain groups like to hijack causes to give themselves credibility. For example, al-Qaeda try to talk about the plight of Palestinians - as if that somehow justifies their atrocities. But saying something doesn't make it true. On the issue of India Pakistan, I believe Gandhi had a huge amount of forsight - just as he did in his criticism of Israel's creation.

  • Comment number 25.

    This is very good for both side.. India and Pakistan governments must give people what they need.. I think that these talks can succeed and expect that there will be no problem between the two. These people and their governments should resolve their own problems without needing any mediator..

    it is really good sign that these countries are talking.. As long as countries don't become friends with their neighbors, there will always be a problem which takes peace hopes away..

    I wish we could again recommend comments left on here.. This HYS is not better than the other..

  • Comment number 26.

    I've not bothered to read all the other posts, without the voting button its too time consuming to get a range of views. I think that India and Pakistan are fiddling whilst Rome burns if they do not come to an accommodation. Their mutual empire building dispute over Kashmir (A region that would happily exist on its own outside either of them) is distracting them from the threat of the ideology of terrorism. If they don't come to an arrangement then they will find the terrorists will take charge and force them into a nuclear exchange. Its time they stopped posing and got down to some serious negotiations.

  • Comment number 27.

    18. At 11:44am on 25 Feb 2010, CodeCruiser wrote:
    I was a daily reader of the HYS and would read, comment, and recommend comments everyday. But thanks to BBC for changing the format of the HYS forum to this new ridiculas portal, I would not be coming back to HYS now. Good bye HYS.


    I agree with you, mate..

  • Comment number 28.

    This is truly fantastic! May God Bless the leaders of both of these Nations for their efforts toward peace. Imagine religions and nationalism being put aside to favor of massive benifits to their people. When one totals the costs of the efforts thru the years in terms of national wealth and lives to hold onto Kashmir and Jammu by Pakistan and India, I would show those provinces the door and let them sort their hatreds on their own. Under the control of the "Empire" murderers were hung and not treated like patriots.We should leave the Afghans to their own devices and join with Pakistan and India spend our wealth on our children not on people who die for hate.

  • Comment number 29.

    Mohammed Begum, "give Kashmir to Pakistan"? - Seriously, what world do you live in? Here we are talking of peace but because of people like you - Not Muslim, not Hindu, not black, not white - just angry, negative, agressive, and closed to debate. People like you make this world very difficult and unpleasant.

  • Comment number 30.

    Talks? What talks when Pakistan is yet to act on Militant Networks. UN, US & West have place a ban on Hafiz Saeed (LeT), & he`s a free man spitting venom & his conspiracy theories on India,US & West.

    Where is the justice to the families of People who were killed in Mumbai Attacks which was planned & executed in Pakistan? There are Pakistanis like Zaid Hamid running websites & Videos spewing hatred & there are innumberable followers for these people.

    The least Pakistan should do is bring the perpetrators of 26/11 to justice. Till then, there`s no trust.

  • Comment number 31.

    I do not think there is much of a chance of the talks being fruitful. Neither governments can afford to displease its electorate. If India agrees to give Kashmir to Pakistan the whole country will be up in arms against that decision and in the next election the government will loose all its present seats. The same case with Pakistan. If they forgo its claim for Kashmir all the hell will break out. Kashmir is an emotional issue for both the countries and common sense or logic do not come.

  • Comment number 32.

    India and Pakistan were ONE country before partition and were created to fight against each other so that others can keep them under their control. So true... the golden policy of divide and rule never fails really.

    Pakistan is now a failed state and unless the politicians really come up to the mark the country is doomed. India on the other hand is mired with corruption and immense red tape which is damaging its growth rate.

    Both country politicians and populations should start to exchange dialogue and start more movement in people and trade to defeat the extremism and 'others' who want to keep them divided and benefit from our failures. They would certainly make a wonderful cricket team if both countries decide to merge.

    The only solution to India-Pakistan problem is to merge the two nations and this will take away the Kashmir issue, the border issues, the water disputes and will certainly diminish the extremism from the region. but would the others let this happen...I don't think so.

  • Comment number 33.

    Hey BBC, This format is bad. Missing the Recommend Button. :( Plz bring it back.

    Kargil War, Mumbai Attacks, Indian Parliament Attacks, 9/11, London Tube Bombings, Spain Bombings, Indian Embassy Bombing.. to name a few.

    To build trust, Pakistan needs to bring the perpetrators to justice. Hafiz Saeed, the master mind, as identified by UN, US & West is a free Man in Pakistan spewing venom.

    Now, Should India talk? When the talks were on with Musharraf, the Kargil Attacks happened. Until Pakistan guarantees no further attacks will be launched from its soil, there should be no talks.

  • Comment number 34.

    The Indio-Pakistani conference has but one purpose,that is to faciliate the grandiose Anglo-American scheme to take control of the Middle East and South Asia.What freightens me the most is that if successful,it will be a great asset for the true axis of evil,namely,the United States,Great Britain and France.

  • Comment number 35.

    I hope they sort something out, two great countries cannot be constantly at each others throats like this.

  • Comment number 36.

    It's certainly a good sign that the composite dialogue process has started in full earnest notwithstanding some not so diplomatic statements by Pakistan politicians on the eve of the talks.The big issue is the differences in political establishments on both sides.While India is a vibrant multi-cultural secular parliamentary democracy it's not so in Pakistan beyond a multi layered Pak Administration ie; Military backed civilian Govt with ISI have it's own independent run in the administration.While Kashmir is THE issue for Pakistan as they have a vested interest in keeping it live India has only earnest hope that Pakistan will ultimately establish a truly civilian Govt so that the current CDP can ultimately result in healthy fruitful relations between two neighbours.

  • Comment number 37.

    Preferred Solution:

    - Use the curent Line of Control as the international border.
    - Let Kashmiris travel to the two countries with ease by giving them a special travel document that does not require a visa to visit either part. It is important to note that however fair it may sound, Kashmir as an independent state is not viable. India and Pakistan will start a new race to dominate a nascent independent Kashmir if it really happens. The internal strife in Kashmir will be unmanageable especially since there are more than 3 different ethnic groups - Muslims (of two types), Hindus and Buddhists.
    - Pakistan to give India a verifiable commitment not to undermine peace, by reducing support to terrorism, by reducing the hate content in their school books and media etc. One cannot say that Pakistan is a victim of terror as well... since they are the authors of terrorism.. and even today are trying to fight only those terrorists that hurt Pakistan (bad Taliban) and protecting those who hurt India (good Taliban). This is ridiculous!!!!
    - India to ensure that concerns of Pakistan regarding water are actively addressed.
    - India to reduce Military activity in Kashmir and the borders thereby allowing normalcy of life to return in affected areas. Environment to be respected by leaving Siachen heights (High tech technology to be installed to avoid another Pakistani misadventure like Kargil).
    - I will be very surprised and disappointed if India is supporting Balochi terrorism. However if it is, then this should stop with immediate effect.
    - Trade and peace will follow.

  • Comment number 38.

    Majority of people from Pakistan want peace but I dont think the Indian Gov wants peace with Pakistan.

    It's all soo easy to blame Pakistan for terrorists events that happen in India but they must realize that this is just a reaction to their cruel action in Indian occupied Kashmir.

    Until the Kashmir issue is solved, do not expect long term peaceful relations. There is no point in these 'talks' if Kashmir issue is not discussed.

    Also, the water issue is crucial. India are stealing water from Pakistan and no wonder they do not want to talk about it.

  • Comment number 39.

    Nope.

  • Comment number 40.

    SystemF #4 & #16

    Maybe if you read things written from another perspective, maybe one not so involved with Zionism as Sir Martin Gilbert is then maybe, just maybe you'll see that the idea of Islam vs The World is a complete load of bovine waste matter.

    Sir Martin Gilbert's appointment to the Chilcot enquiry has been widely criticised for the very reason that he is a Zionist historian who supported the war in Iraq as well as his unquestioning loyalty to the Zionist cause and the World Jewish Congress.

  • Comment number 41.

    What is the definition of success, when will we know have we "succeeded"?

    There are other countries, some are close neighbors and some are far off on the other side of the planet, which are benefiting from the dispute.

    We all work for our interest, and that is all well as long as our interest does not harm others'. When there is conflict of interests, we need to settle down sacrificing some of our interest. If both involved are mature and understand this, we can achieve some good out of these talks.

  • Comment number 42.

    Will talks they make a difference?
    Yes, if Pakistan and India keep talking – with more & more trust.
    Kashmir was a significant topic, and maybe it got a litle terse but the BIG topic was Mumbai.
    India gave Pakistan 3 new dossiers:
    1. first dossier focuses on the trial & investigation into 26/11. India named 8 people, including a “Major Iqbal” (which may be a pseudoname) and Hafiz Saeed, the leader of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD).
    “Major Iqbal” apparently is not the person referred to as “Major General Sahib” in the phone conversations between terrorists who attacked Mumbai & the planners. “Major Iqbal's” name is believed to have emerged from the questioning of US Citizen, David Coleman Headley, arrested in Chicago in September last year;
    2. second dossier is on Ilyas Kashmiri who served as mentor to David Headley; he is said to be one of the major architects of 26/11. Headley visited India several times between 2006 and 2009, and studied all 4 locations targeted in the Mumbai attacks. Headley was arrested, along with Tahawwur Rana. Both men have been formally accused of planning & executing 26/11.
    3. third dossier, India’s suspicions that the Pune bomb was a joint operation of the Indian Mujahideen and the Lashkar-e-Toiba.

    India once again asked Pakistan to follow up on those involved with the 26/11 attacks, particularly after the arrests of Tahawwur Rana and David Headley, but to me this seems more a matter for the United States of America which is holding both persons. I wonder why the United States is being so slow in releasing the facts, appraising both countries.

    As for Kashmir, this may be the media red herring distracting from American involvement in the Mumbai attacks. I wonder what’s going on with this Headley/Rana investigation.

    The Kashmir dispute can be resolved through tripartite negotiations (Pakistan, India and genuine Kashmiri leadership) because the relevant United Nations resolutions are already in place. The High Court Bar Association, Kashmir has already called upon Pakistan and India to take the necessary steps to implement UN resolutions on Kashmir.

  • Comment number 43.

    Not a chance. A complete waste of time. If India want to make peace they need to start by talking to the people in charge of Pakistan..ie the ISI & increasingly the Taliban. They can talk to the Pakistani government...make a deal...give each other kisses and garlands and swear peace for all eternity and I can guarantee within 48 hours there will be a major attack on Indian soil orchestrated by the ISI/Taliban axis. They`ll keep talking and soldiers at the border and innocents will keep dying!

  • Comment number 44.

    It is pretty obvious that Pakistan cannot be trusted until it finishes off the ISI. It is also said that the ISI is not in the control of the Pakistani government and never was. Pakistan is now a poodle for the US who also it seems at times cannot be trusted. Pakistanis as people are very friendly people but certain cultures within Pakistan do not like India but they won't tell you to your face. This problem has stemmed from issues before the partition and it was ignited further by the incompetent British who were unable to draw the line of border properly. People's hate of each other added further to this during the migration and it's not good.

    Here in the UK, certain hardcore Pakistanis do not like muslims who speak Punjabi and children with Pakistani origin are strongly encouraged to speak Urdu. I know some Pakistani's elders who are very fond of speaking Punjabi but they fear backlash from their community and have to speak Urdu, and I know this because i was told so by one Pakistani elder. i have also seen one Pakistani do service in a Sikh temple, that is how friendly and clean minded they are. People should learn to get on together and live in peace rather than see a patch of soil as something to be proud of. Kashmir's problem stems from the Mogul empire who raided Kashmir and started to convert Hindus to Islam. Once Maharaja Ranjit Singh was informed of this by some Hindu Brahmins who escaped Kashmir, he ordered his commander to lead an army to flush them out of Kashmir and bring stability into Kashmir. Also the ruler Maharaja Karan Singh handed over governance of Kashmir to India so why Pakistani terrorists are trying to exert their rule over the remaining Kashmir is beggar’s belief. So please stop boiling yourself in your arrogance and pride, stop behaving like mindless yobs and just get on with each other!!

  • Comment number 45.

    Pakistan with fewer ethnic groups has far more internal & vicious conflict than India with more ethnic & religious groups (including a large & thriving Muslim minority).
    The reason is that Pakistan is held together by ethnic pride and religion; India by national pride. Until Pakistan puts country above religion, they will always be inflict within and without - regardless of the Kashmir issue.
    Too much religion, like too little is a bad thing. Too much ethnic pride is a bad thing too. Both drove East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) away from Pakistan.
    As a person of Bangladeshi descent, I share culture with India, and religion with Pakistan. I hope for peace and the best for both peoples. Life's too short to fight with your brethren.

  • Comment number 46.


    The user systemF has brought a point. The problem is not with Islam but the people who dont understand Islam, India's occupation of Kashmir, Israel's occupation of Palestine, Russia's occupation of Chechnya and the list goes on is because all these regions have seen other muslim nations do well through freedom from their occupiers, so they dont like status they are in which has led them to struggle against the occupation.

    I know United States Government is not liked by many muslims, but it is the US governments policy of showing Afghans' in the 1980's a way to reach their goal through struggle/Jihad which has lead the world to this situation, where other occupied muslim nations have seen and copied armed struggle(The French did the same when the helped the United States fight for Independence from the British two centuries back). The British after the second world war knew that India needed independence they could have continued to occupy India by force but they did'nt because in the new cold war world they needed allies, or neutral countries who would'nt join the Soviet club so they made a wise move and moved out.

    Nations that think like the Post World War Britain and remain pragmatic and are not static succeed! Ideologies like occupied Kashmir or Palestine are eternaly our land and not for those living in that area dont need to look that far in history. Occupied Algeria is a free country so too is Nigeria, Malaysia, Indonesia and yes India too! It is time for Israel, India, Russia and any other nation which are occupying another to think twice and remain open to future events. We are all human and we all need equal respect and diginity.

    It would be clever for the Indian planners to start thinking of a free Kashmir and how they will deal with such a nation, as they too have lost Pakistan not that many decades back (my father was born an Indian and died a Pakistani!). Had the Indian Politicans thought and planned for a free Pakistan they would not have had so many problems as they face today!

  • Comment number 47.

    SystemF wrote:
    No. It's a similar situation as between Israel and the 'Palestinians'.

    Why is that? Is India occupying Pakistan? Does India refer Pakistanis as 'Pakistanis', retroactively and fictionally implying that they don't exist as a ethnic group? Has it recently and disproportionately bombed Islamabad back to the Stone Age using phosphorous weapons and without regard to loss of civillian lives? Is it blockading Lahore by land and sea?
    Not everything in the world can be mypocially viewed through the pro-Israeli (or pro-Arab) viewpoint of the Israel/Palestinian conflict.

  • Comment number 48.

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  • Comment number 49.

    Pakistan wants Kashmir.But even if the territory is given to it,the conflict between the two countries will not cease but enter a new phase.The terrorist outfits sponsored by Pakistan will then demand other areas of India such as Hyderabad or whatever area they fancy.This is the principal unspoken worry of the Indians.No wonder the current round of talks between the two countries will lead nowhere as before.

  • Comment number 50.

    Indian think tanks are playing vital role to destabilize both countries relations. These think tanks working on Israeal and American Agenda. This is just to show the whole world that Indian lobby is keen for good relations but not fully cooperate, India has their own interest when they got these talks again postponed, India also built dams on Pakistani water no action should taken by any country, recently they sent one representative for oberving the water flows, but in my opinion they just want in this meeting that how much we Pakistani effect with this and no cooperation in the same.

    If in future there is war between the two countries the main issue will be the 'WATER'.


  • Comment number 51.

    Agree with SystemF. Needn't look far than Chechnya, Kashmir, Thailand, Palestine, Philippines, Xinjiang etc. And all of this promoted by invisible Islamic aristocrats from the Middle East. Wonder why we never have a Jew-Hindu or a Christian-Buddhist problem.

  • Comment number 52.

    "Maybe if you read things written from another perspective, maybe one not so involved with Zionism as Sir Martin Gilbert is then maybe, just maybe you'll see that the idea of Islam vs The World is a complete load of bovine waste matter.
    Sir Martin Gilbert's appointment to the Chilcot enquiry has been widely criticised for the very reason that he is a Zionist historian who supported the war in Iraq as well as his unquestioning loyalty to the Zionist cause and the World Jewish Congress." - General_Jack_Ripper

    On the contrary, Martin Gilbert is a highly respected and credible historian who has written a number of books on a range of subjects, including, but not limited to, World War I, World War II, Winston Churchill and Israel. Is there any reason why a Jewish person or a Zionist can't be on the inquiry? As long as they're qualified to make inquisitions. Frankly, I'm more concerned that there isn't really anybody on the committee that has any first-hand military experience.

  • Comment number 53.

    I don't think this talk will make any progress in current and past situations because of the corruption and commission's plays that are happening in both of the countries. Politicians (in both countries) are getting high "percentages" to create disturbances and violence because someone else is taking advantage out of it.

  • Comment number 54.

    As long as Pakistan keeps nurturing various terrorists groups to fight their proxy wars with India there can be no sustainable peace. As long as the Americans keep their multi-billion dollar weapons industry busy by supplying arms to Pakistan's government which 'miraculously' lands up in the hands of known terrorist groups there can be no sustainable peace. If Pakistan really wants peace, it should stop state sponsored terrorism. If America really wants to go home, it should stop supplying these terrorists with arms.

    As far as India is concerned, these anti-social elements might succeed in creating small pockets of disturbances within its vast, diverse and unified borders. But nothing more than that. The country (unlike China) is racing into being a bonafide economic superpower. It will not waver from its destined course. It is too busy finding solutions to more important problems than attending to the finickiness of a bunch of disgruntled bearded maniacs operating from the streets of Islamabad.

    The rest of the world can stand by and watch while they try to sort out their own problems, unless they have more pressing issues in Afghanistan, Iraq and Karachi.

    Regarding Kashmir, please see India.

  • Comment number 55.

    No. Pakistan's national identity is based on anti India mindset and unrealistic notion that Kashmir belongs to them. This is historically wrong as Pakistan itself was born in 1947 whereas India as a geographical entity was there before that and for thousands of years and Kashmir was part of India since time immemorial. Hate India campaign is the basis of existence of Pakistan as a Nation. It is also diversionary tactic on the part of rulers of Pakistan from total failure as a stable Nation.

  • Comment number 56.

    In a word ................... NO

  • Comment number 57.

    Martin1983 #52

    So you see nothing wrong in appointing someone to the Iraq inquiry who was a vocal supporter of the Iraq war, has very close ties to groups who have been trying to get Iraq invaded for decades and who is so biased in favour of the Zionist version of history that he declares almost every historical person he writes about as being pro-Zionist even when there are numerous examples of their opposition to the Zionist cause ?

    I also question your statement that he is a respected and credible historian; Benny Morris has described the guy as propagandist as well as accusing him of over-inflating casualties of WWII to gain sympathy for the Zionist cause while Piers Brendon has accused him of misrepresenting Churchill on several occasions.
    These are just two of a great many criticisms against Sir Martin Gilbert and his interpretation of modern history.

  • Comment number 58.

    The mistrust runs very deep between both the coutries. Both countries cannot live with and without each other. No one in the Govt from both side is having courage to solve the lingering problems of water and Kashmir. To solve these problems they have to take the bitter pill and make some hard decision. The world history is moving forward and these countries still want to cut each other throat. No one is looking at the poverty, hunger and other common issues which can solve the problem of evry day life.

  • Comment number 59.

    Those talks can succeed to the same extend talks between Pakistan and Afghaistan re al-Qaida/Taliban terrorists being given safe haven in North-West Frontier Province -succeeded so far. NOT.

  • Comment number 60.

    SystemF - I think the conflict between India-Pakistan is certainly a factor with the disagreements between the two states, but i think your comments on the fundamental problem of Islam is rather short sighted and ignorant. It is true that PERVERSIONS of Islam are conflicting and violent, however, its dangerous to view Islamic militancy as an ambassador for the entire religion. I think with education, you will find true Islam to be peaceful and perhaps you will find better illustrations of lifestyle and belief than the decadent, hollow western culture that engulfs our world at this time. I also believe that the ethno-nationalists in the middle east are different from those terror groups in Kashmir, and although bound to the same beliefs, their aims are completely different. Having said that, I do agree with comments of a global terror network, I just don't believe that ALL terror groups are part of this.

  • Comment number 61.

    Nothing will happen unless the world community uses its influence to solve the problems. However, Western attitude towards global issued is not based on some sort of justice but economic interests. Strange it may look but why no one can intervene with India and Israel except for some superficial declaration.

  • Comment number 62.

    To understand Kashmir dispute one must go back to 1947 "Agreement of Partition" between British Government of Lord Mountbatten, Congress Party and Muslim League.
    Majority Muslim Provinces voted for Pakistan, majority Hindu Provinces voted for India and about 560 native states could join either Pakistan or India or stay independent.But it is India which took over by force not only Muslim Majority state Kashmir but also another 400 to 500 native
    states such as Hyderabad, Junagor, Mangrol, Manavader and many more and Portuguese enclave of Goa.Does the world know about Indias past agression? Is it called peace loving India? Is it not terrorism? Kashmir
    problem and Indias past terrorism has frustrated the Muslim world and specially the vast majority Muslims of the subcontinent for the past 63 years.Solution of Kashmir problem can heel all past and present wounds.

  • Comment number 63.

    Words are cheap. Actions are what counts!

  • Comment number 64.

    It is the same story again and again while the ground reality remain same and will remain so as long as both sides lack the political will to do something about it.

  • Comment number 65.

    It seems,the more we advance towards the future as humans the more uncivilised and inhumane we are becoming.The west involved in invading and raping Nations,India & Pakistan exchanging aggressive behaviour,Sino-US relations in danger of collapsing,Iran,US and Israel exchanging angry words,internal Indian problems with the Maoists,Syria,Lebanon in turmoil with Israel,Central and South American issues,African continent in disarray.What the heck is wrong with these so called civilised,pro democracy and libertarian Nations creating all these problems?.We are acting like spoiled,bratty kids.this needs to stop.

  • Comment number 66.

    Majority of Indians &Pakistanies want to live together in peace as they live anywhere in the world. I hav'nt heard any news ever of Indians Pakistanies rioting or fighting eachother in UK, Dubai, US or anyother place where they live as immigrants. Both countries share same history, culture, icons and heros(including bollywood movie heros).
    We need to find the stress factor then which brought ppl of sub-continent in purgatory of no-war-no-peace. This factor is strong armies on both sides. Which would loose all power &money if any peace prevailed also there's no way they can fight.
    Until &unless these armies control establishment, they wont allow sub-continent to be prosperous &peaceful.

  • Comment number 67.

    I recommend 3, 13, 23, 33, 43 - (or maybe not) but the BBC will not allow you to recommend anything you agree with

  • Comment number 68.

    I agree with SystemF (#4 & #16) Radical Islam IS the problem in this situation. The only reason Islamic nations have any kind of prosperity these days is because of the oil under the lands making them cash. If you took that away, they'd be nothing. Oil has a lot to answer for hasn't it?

  • Comment number 69.


    These talks never going to succeed because this is not a Jammu and Kashmir issue,
    this issue is deeply rooted in religious and political struggle. There was no solution to any religious conflict in the history of mankind . The mightiest will rule over the weakest and it is the law of nature. Pakistan is not a stable country and a stable country like India can not make genuine agreement with that country. Since Pakistan never going to honor it any way,Can India ever believe Pakistan? Look at US, what happened to them? Pakistan stabbed them from behind many times. Now US uses stick and carrot policy towards Pakistan, the only language 'they' can understand better.The ordinary people in Pakistan has nothing to do with this nature,their normal life affected by the wrong doings of power mongers in religious , political and military corridors.In India on the other hand no political leader is courageous enough to take responsibility. India lacks political leadership, the current class of political leaders represent a particular region or religion. They lacks leadership to address the issues nationally.Even if Pakistan has a real leader, he can not make a good lasting peace with India by dealing with politicians from other side. Ultimately common people in both countries pay the price with their lives. But I hope one day a mighty leader in Pakistan will meet a real leader in India and both of them will unite all estranged brothers and sisters of these great countries where people will love each other above religion and politics, till that day current bloodshed will continue.

  • Comment number 70.

    Used to enjoy posting a comment on HYS. This new format has made the simple difficult. Oh well, all in the constant name of progress.

  • Comment number 71.

    There are many problems that need to be solved simultaneous if we want any kind of solution to many global problems. First came the colonization and then arms race and world wars. Supply of arms by west to the two countries should be stopped. Giving noble prize to Obama and else won't help as its very base is that of a dynamite. A person like Gandhi may not have accepted the prise among other reasons he was also on non cooperation with west.

  • Comment number 72.

    44. At 1:47pm on 25 Feb 2010, bbcmani wrote:

    "... Here in the UK, certain hardcore Pakistanis do not like muslims who speak Punjabi and children with Pakistani origin are strongly encouraged to speak Urdu. ..."

    Wow! you have raised a truly fallacious thing out of nothing!
    for your kind kind information, Punjabi is still widely spoken in Pakistan and no body humble this fact.but Urdu is our National Language, a language of our nation and we all must able to speak it clearly.As a Pakistani I am so much proud of my National Language and I consider it the best gift i have been bestowed upon from my elders.In Pakistan, every person(Man/Women) is able to speak and understand Urdu which is unlikely the case in India where a vast majority of Indians (especially from South India, hate to speak Hindi langauge).
    I am studying in a Foreign University with some Indian collegues and some harldy could able to speak Hindi.a guy and a girl from Southern India don't even understand Hindi (Come on! its your Mother language, you should able to speak it!).

    So take my advice; better unite your own nation upon language issues before raising malicious concerns upon others.

    And about Kashmir; Please don't propogate your false Kashmiri Maharaja Stories and don't disguise people with this kind of lame stories which potrays Maharajas' as true warrior.We all know history very well and we know about these Maharajas' during British Rule over India.how they were acting during British rein.They ride on Elephants and Horses, they travel on Motor-carts but in reality they could hardly stand on their own feet when facing Britishers. The British rules used them as Tools to rule over us in past times.So don't be proud of them.

    My final thoughts;

    I am not claiming Kashimir, but I would try all my efforts to not to let entire Kashmir to be a part of India too! If this is happen then I would feel like, Fall of Palestine in the hands of Israel!

  • Comment number 73.

    In order for true peace, collaboration between both countries needs to be adhered to. Much like the European Union, where century old conflicts are now being subsided by economic gains, the South Asian countries need to resolve there past conflicts and unite for a single goal of prosperity. A union of three of the largest (population) countries in the world will begin a transition to combat the greater threat to World peace from China. Lets not forget our common past and hopefully our common future together.

  • Comment number 74.

    To the BBC's Have Your Stay staff:

    The new layout looks nice. Nevertheless, here are some comments:

    The oldest comments are now at the top. I think it was far easier to see the latest comments at the top instead.

    The option to "Recommend" a post was useful, not just to highlight an interesting post, but also as a way to quickly browse posts, looking only at those that were highly recommended. You may want to add a 'thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' option.

    Keep up the great work and thanks.

  • Comment number 75.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 76.

    "So you see nothing wrong in appointing someone to the Iraq inquiry who was a vocal supporter of the Iraq war, has very close ties to groups who have been trying to get Iraq invaded for decades and who is so biased in favour of the Zionist version of history that he declares almost every historical person he writes about as being pro-Zionist even when there are numerous examples of their opposition to the Zionist cause?" - General_Jack_Ripper

    He's not biased in favour of the "Zionist version of history," he writes about, er, history as it, er, actually happened. Do you seriously think that everybody with Zionist leanings is a historical revisionist? My real issue is that people are taking exception to Martin Gilbert being on the inquiry because of his religion and political leanings. Nobody is commenting on the religions or political backgrounds or activities or hobbies or vital measurements of the other people on the inquiry so why pick solely on Gilbert? In an inquiry, he would be putting his personal views to one side - why should you think him incapable of being impartial because you might think "he's Jewish, ergo, he'd support Israel because Israel supported the war?"

    But back on topic, if India and Pakistan can talk, get together and co-operate, then that's a very good start.

  • Comment number 77.

    51. At 2:23pm on 25 Feb 2010, rshahdeo wrote:

    Agree with SystemF. Needn't look far than Chechnya, Kashmir, Thailand, Palestine, Philippines, Xinjiang etc. And all of this promoted by invisible Islamic aristocrats from the Middle East. Wonder why we never have a Jew-Hindu or a Christian-Buddhist problem.


    And what about Africa (entire Africa)? What about Eastern Part of India? What about Georgia and Russia? ...

    Is Islam responsible for atrocities there???

  • Comment number 78.


    As I've already stated, Islam is the ONLY religion to be in conflict with every other major religion (and some lesser ones).

    Judaism
    Christianity
    Hinduism
    Buddhism
    Sikhism
    Baha'i

    Islam is also in conflict with itself. Sunni V's Shia.

    Not to mention the lesser known offshoots of Islam being persecuted by the dominant Shia/Sunni groups.

    And of course it's fighting against secularism too.

    So given that in mind, and the fact that dozens of countries are now either at war or are being terrorised by Islamic militants across the globe - why do we still treat the likes of India/Pakistan as being a separate conflict than Israel/'palestinians' or China and its troublesome province, or Islamists demanding their own state in the Philippines.

    It's a global conflict, you just have to open an atlas and join up the conflicts to see a very obvious pattern emerging.

  • Comment number 79.

    Mohammed Begum wrote:

    "Also they need to give Kashmir to Pakistan where it belongs."


    Can you please say why? Kashimir was never part of Pakistan. Pakistan may have wanted it... but that's the way it goes.

  • Comment number 80.

    The India Pakistan problem cannot be compared with the Israel Palestine problem but the reasons for its creation are quite similar to those of Israel the only difference is the populace of Pakistan had been living on the piece of land which became Pakistan unlike in the case of Israel so there is no point comparing them both. Pakistan and Indian dispute is unique to the world.

    It is not the matter of one country or the other one land or other the matter is independent lives. Kashmir was and is a Muslim majority area whose ruler was a Hindu and succumbed to the pressure and black mail by the Nehru government and ceded to India. Otherwise Kashmir was and still is more connected and geographically and culturally linked with ares constituting Pakistan. India would not have had direct road links to Kashmir had the Radcliffe commission deliberately awarded the Muslim majority district of Gurdaspur to India. There is no point arguing why not conduct the plebiscite promised by Nehru under UN supervision the world's largest democracy can afford a democratic referendum or plebiscite can't it!

  • Comment number 81.

    System F is just another Anglo Extremists and there is nothign different from him an an alqueda member actually there is no difference between any marine and an alqueda member,both are involved in mass killings without exception, both support oppressive regimes and currently the US has appropriated more land than hitlers invasions, and also support the expansion of war criminals Israel! the facts are there and Islam has been peaceful for thousands of years which is more than you can say about Christianity, and now we have System F condoning more violence towards his british muslims neighbours who have been quiet and hardworking for over 50 years, which again is more than can be said about benefit scrounging britain of today! im indian and would support true islam as i now true muslims!

  • Comment number 82.

    To understand Kashmir dispute one must go back to 1947 "Agreement of Partition" between British Government of Lord Mountbatten, Congress Party and Muslim League.
    Majority Muslim Provinces voted for Pakistan, majority Hindu Provinces voted for India...

    Nurul Khan
    ____________

    On Partition: More number of people were killed in partition itself than in any Hindu Muslims riots combined in the last 100 years.

    On Two Nation Theory: Ask Bangladesh to join you first.

    On Kashmir being a muslim state: Kashmir has 66% muslims and 34% people of other religion whereas Pakistan has 99% muslims. It is still not that much Muslim now. Plus we have more Muslims in India than Pakistan.

    On people choice/aspirations in Kashmir: Do it in Baluchistan first.

    My grandfather came from part of Punjab which is in Pakistan now. Definitely no one wants to leave place where he is living for many years. Would you offer a place to me and my family in your Pakistan to live. If you can not offer better don't beg.

  • Comment number 83.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 84.

    India and Pakistan people are smart but not pragmatic. They do not trust each other. They have common heritage, common language, common values, common culture, however they can not overcome the emotional scars of the Partition. I am convinced that Indian people with all their good intentions and mistrust of Pakistan seek Pakistan's dissolution. Looking at the plight of Indian Muslims, I believe most Pakistanis know that India has to be hurt so that it can stop its policy of Pakistan's destruction. Indian collusion with Israel and USA has deepened the suspicion.

    India being the bigger neighbor, has to take steps to lessen this frightening suspicion and mistrust. In my view India has to ease the suffering of Kashmiri people, India has to come clean on sharing of Water resources and make its intentions transparent of its huge presence in Afghanistan. If there is no progress on Kashmir there would never be peace with Pakistan

    Pakistan on its side must take steps to curb these free floating Militants. They can strike India anytime because there is a very large constituency of disenfranchised Indian minorities willing to lend logistic support. These people must not do the planning in Pakistan.

    It is in India's interest to seek peace with Pakistan. Pakistan on the other hand can live with this confrontation as long as it does not turn into a full scale war. Pakistan has other friends in the region, like China and Iran. India has no friends.

  • Comment number 85.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 86.

    Both countries is busy in rebuilding trust with each other fort the last 63 years, but nothing has been achieved which would have given relief to people across the borders. It is nothing more that a futile effort, as things will not move on, unless India accepts from core of her heart that Pakistan is next door neighbour. In the fast moving world where people have less time on any matter to discuss, Kashmir issue has taken such a long time which is beyond imagination and yet no one knows from where serious talks should begin?

    Let Pakistan and India both go to the Kashmiris and ask them what do they want?

    Kashmir issue needs third party mediation and unless world leaders will not take the issue of Kashmir seriously, people in both countries will keep on suffering for an indefinite period.

  • Comment number 87.

    faizanabdulkhaliq wrote:
    Quote:

    There is no point arguing why not conduct the plebiscite promised by Nehru under UN supervision the world's largest democracy can afford a democratic referendum or plebiscite can't it!
    --------------------------------------------

    I wonder why Pakistanis clamor for a plebiscite in Kashmir when their own country itself has had very little & sporadic opportunities to vote in the 60 years of its existence? Democracy appears to be a useful tool in the neighborhood to be used to one's advantage but sadly cannot work at home?

  • Comment number 88.

    Quote:
    77. At 4:24pm on 25 Feb 2010, haris wrote:

    And what about Africa (entire Africa)? What about Eastern Part of India? What about Georgia and Russia? ...

    Is Islam responsible for atrocities there???
    ------------------------------
    Nope, certainly not. But don't you see it is responsible for plenty. And did I forget to mention Sudan?
    Eastern India? Beautiful place & great people. You should visit sometime. Just avoid Assam, some idiots still bent on ruining the place.

  • Comment number 89.

    Considering the permanent brotherhood between India and Pakistan but separated due to forceful circumstances can possible be revived provided Pakistan understands itself well what shall deliver them the best without keeping any hidden Agenda in their minds. Since the intense thought process of many had caused the issue to take shape for manifesting it for valueless expansion, it shall require hard work on the part of the both to strike a solution keeping the minds of both parties wide open to consider each other’s point of view.

    As India's Foreign Secretary Ms. Nirupama Rao is a learned Diplomat so also the Leadership; it is expected that other elements are not allowed to disrupt the talk to undermine the Great initiative nonetheless the process is grave as well as complex. The Administration of J&K can never be put into risk but the other options can possibly be explored to bring both the divided parts come together so that deprived ones are free from meeting each other for overall good of us.

    (Dr.M.M.HAZARIKA,PhD)

  • Comment number 90.

    yes there talks can succeed anything is possible.

    "system f", to me you just sound like another "islamophobe",the one who blaims everything on islam and muslims, without educating its mind. IGNORANCE IS DUE TO LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, PICK UP A BOOK AND EDUCATE YOUR MIND :). Number one india has more muslims then pakistan, so if it was a problem of attacking another religon, hate to dissapoint you your wrong there!. EXTREMISTS HAVE NO RELIGON INSTEAD THEY USE RELIGON TO BACK UP THERE SICK ACTS! Now the palestine and isreali conflict has been going on for so long now, inorder to solve the problem we must look into the root cause and whats the root cause? THE FACT THAT ISREAL HAS OCCUPIED THE PALESTNIAN PEOPLE FOR WHAT 60 YEARS NOW?ON SOMETHING THATS THERE OWN! i don't know were your from but if ireland stole the uk, will the uk just sit back and watch it happen NO. I am not saying what hamas are doing is right BECAUSE IT IS SIC, hamas isreal? bad as each other!

  • Comment number 91.

    Post 75 – SystemF says “Well the Arab nations didn't know they had Oil until we told them. They didn't know how to extract it until we showed them. They didn't know how to refine it until we did it for them. If it wasn't for us, the likes of Saudi, the Gulf and Iran would be no better off than the likes of some barren African countries. The reason is religion, nothing else. It's about global domination by one religion over others. I believe the phrase is, "All lands under Allah".”

    Spewing Likudist bile again, I see. The only reason Israel has survives is because AIPAC influences Washington enough for American taxpayers to give it $3.5B in aid every year – yes that makes your beloved Israel both a failed state and a charity case.

    As for “All land under Allah”, the only nation on our planet which is expanding is, which? Can you guess? Here’s a clue. It begins with an “I”, ends with an “l”…

    I believe the phrase you are really looking for is Eretz Yisrael – that means Greater Israel. As Ben-Gurion said: “We must expel the Arabs and take their places”.

    Regarding India vs Kashmir, if you speak to people from Kashmir, it would seem they don’t want to be dominated by either nation, they want independence.

  • Comment number 92.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 93.

    "Spewing Likudist bile again, I see. The only reason Israel has survives is because AIPAC influences Washington enough for American taxpayers to give it $3.5B in aid every year – yes that makes your beloved Israel both a failed state and a charity case." - FruityMcTooty

    Well, the way I see it, Israel survived with little to no support from America between 1948-1967 and if America were to withdraw every last bit of support tomorrow, Israel would still manage to survive. It's able to give back more than what it gets.

    Right, now let's talk about India and Pakistan again. I'm getting tired of going into a forum to talk about various subjects ranging from the economy to entertainment to home affairs and then having to defend baseless criticisms of Israel in forums that have absolutely nothing to do with Israel whatsoever.

  • Comment number 94.

    No way. A country which sponsors and harbors 26/11 terrorists will be a dishonor to the memory of 26/11 victims and their families & friends. It will be same for the thousands & millions of Indians victim of this covert war being waged for nearly 3 decades now.

    Though I strongly disagree equating Islam with Terrorism, I do strongly recommend declaring Pakistan and all Pakistanis as Terrorist State and Terrorists. That is until and unless they get their act together.

    Also, as a follow on, I will recommend Indian Government to
    1. Break all diplomatic and other relations
    2. De-recognize Pakistan
    3. Abrogate all treaties [including Indus Water Sharing]
    4. Ban any and all products that are either produced or uses products during their production from Pakistan
    5. Ban any and all companies that either operate or have direct/indirect stakes in Pakistani companies

    I know it won't change their attitude and doings [anyways talking will also do no good], but the economic hardships and isolation will do the trick in a few years.

  • Comment number 95.

    The new HYS format is not a patch on the old one. Why the old software was scrapped in favour of the new beggars the imagination. One of the over paid hierarchs in the BBC must have a cunning motive to institute the change of format.

  • Comment number 96.

    One way, perhaps the only way, for peace to be achieved is for the majority of people in both countries to stop believing in religion.

  • Comment number 97.

    Hope the talks does succeed.
    All this nonsense hostilities has gone on for long time.
    Instead of blame game, both should have give and take attitude. Pakistan should stop interfering in Indias internal affairs likewise India should do the same.
    But the unfortunate part is politians on Indian side and military on Pakistan side wants this mistrust to go on as they get to benifit from armaments sale. Also the arms sellers like US, UK, Russia and China gets to benifits.

  • Comment number 98.

    It is hard for any talks to succeed. They can certainly not succeed at Secretary level. If at all they can only succeed at Political level.
    Both countries missed a chance during Vajpayee - Musharraf sumit. And Musharraf made it worse by his one upmanship with Indian media.
    What a shame that the erstwhile country, divided into two by Wily Britishers, is today fighting each other at the provocation and instigation of third parties who have their own axe to grind.

  • Comment number 99.

    I am a Pakistani born and raised in Pakistan but now living in the United States. After reading all of the comments I would like to agree with the Indian comments and think these talks are nothing more then a public show and will end up resolving nothing. I support and acknowledge India's success and how well they have done since their independence. The only way to bring peace in that area is to get rid of the corruption that has scared Pakistan. Each and every Pakistani politicians are fueled with corruption and greed and while they may be fighting "terrorism" they are actually not. The Pakistani population at least most of them are against terrorism.. but the uneducated minds influenced by corrupt and idiotic mullahs are ruining the country. International pressure should be put on Pakistan to get rid of illiteracy and these corrupt politicians and mullahs.. that is the only way peace will prevail in that area. Since the birth of Pakistan each and every leader has been corrupt one worse then the other.. They play the Islam card but they know nothing. They know and support extremist versions of Islam which is ruining the country. I can only hope one day the educated population of Pakistan gets a chance to voice their opinions and make a change and these corrupt politicians, extremists and militants/terrorists can be removed and dismantled.

  • Comment number 100.

    Response for
    "I am studying in a Foreign University with some Indian collegues and some harldy could able to speak Hindi.a guy and a girl from Southern India don't even understand Hindi (Come on! its your Mother language, you should able to speak it!)."

    Oh please...another Pakistani thinking they know everything they need to know about India. Buddy, India is too complex for you understand, so please stop trying. While Hindi 'is' the national language, no one is forced to use it, given the diversity of the Indian people. Do you even realize how ancient some of these languages are? What unites us? Hindu culture and it's inherent quality of being tolerant. While I being from western India have less in common with someone from South India compared to...surprise!!!....a Pakistani, trying saying anything anti-Indian and you will see how united we become.

    Urdu is your national language? you do that it came from India and has many Sanskrit and Devnagri influences, right? like your entire grammar for example. It's a beautiful language, so don't take offense.

    BTW...I did once meet a guy from Peshawar who was stumbling whilst 'attempting' to talk in what appeared to be Urdu. Still the national language, huh? Kinda reminded me of a south Indian.

    stop fighting idiots.

 

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