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F1 Mole | 20:07 UK time, Saturday, 26 September 2009

Lewis Hamilton was the fastest man in qualifying for the Singapore Grand Prix - whether that be on the grid, or once the weights of the cars are taken into account.

The top 10 drivers in qualifying are not allowed to refuel before the race, so their pace is dictated by the amount of fuel on board, which also defines when they will come in for their first pit stop.

Once the weight of fuel in the cars is published, it is therefore possible to calculate a fuel-adjusted grid, and work out who is theoretically in best shape for the race.

Taking that into account, BBC Sport's fuel-adjusted grid, with projected first pit stops, looks like this:

1 Lewis Hamilton (lap 17)
2 Nico Rosberg +0.553secs (lap 16)
3 Sebastian Vettel +0.617 (lap 14)
4 Mark Webber +1.023 (lap 15)
5 Rubens Barrichello +1.097 (lap 16)
6 Fernando Alonso +1.243 (lap 17)
7 Timo Glock +1.289 (lap 17)
8 Robert Kubica +1.511 (lap 19)
9 Nick Heidfeld +1.752 (lap 14)
10 Heikki Kovalainen +1.759 (lap 19)

Two things immediately stand out from that. The first is that the grid order has changed less after making this calculation for Singapore than it has at almost any race this year. The second is how big the gaps are between the drivers.

The lack of change in the order is a reflection of the fact that all the drivers in the top 10 have chosen remarkably similar strategies - with only five laps' difference between the drivers running longest (Glock and Kovalainen) and shortest (Vettel and Heidfeld).

hamilton595ap.jpgHamilton lit up the Marina Bay circuit despite his misgivings about the track

The big gaps between the drivers will at least partly be due to the length of the Singapore track, as well as the difficulty in putting together a perfect lap on such a bumpy, tricky circuit.

But they also emphasise what a superb performance Hamilton and McLaren have produced, and just what good shape they are in for the race. It's hard to see him losing from here, all things being equal.

The world champion is running quite long - lap 17 - to his first stop and yet he has a margin of more than 0.5secs on the next fastest driver, Rosberg, who jumps ahead of Vettel's Red Bull on fuel-adjusted times.

That is quite an achievement for Rosberg and Williams, and it underlines the pace they showed in the second qualifying, when the German put in a stonking lap to be fastest of all.

And the fuel-adjusted times do not make great reading for Vettel. He drops to third, will almost certainly lose places off the start because he is on the side of the grid that has less grip because it is off the racing line, and he is stopping early - lap 14.

Jenson Button, by contrast, will be encouraged. He has qualified only 12th, but his fuel load means he will be stopping on lap 26, so he may still have a shot at a strong points finish despite his lowly grid spot.

And a dark horse in the top 10? How about BMW's Kubica, who is ahead of team-mate Heidfeld on fuel-adjusted times, is starting on the clean side of the grid in ninth and has more fuel on board than anyone in front of him.

In a race when the safety car is expected to make an appearance at some point, these sorts of things can make a difference.


  • 1. At 8:33pm on 26 Sep 2009, anubisrich wrote:

    Outstanding from Hamilton, pulverising Heikki.

    His concentration needs to be up there, no repeats of the last race, and he should hose up.

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  • 2. At 8:35pm on 26 Sep 2009, Paddy Murphy wrote:

    It's incredible to see Hamilton fuel adjusted 0.5 seconds quicker than the rest of the field, he's really on form this weekend. Heikki on the other hand really needs to pull his finger out or his McLaren seat could be going to the man who qualified P3, P2 fuel adjusted. If he can get 4th or higher from where he is, then it'll be a good weekend for him, anything lower and a replacement will be almost certainly lined up for next season come Monday, if it's not already!

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  • 3. At 8:38pm on 26 Sep 2009, joe strummer wrote:

    The times are a bit distorted I reckon because nobody managed to get a second lap in after Barrichello crashed. Vettel for example was on a flyer, and some of the other drivers might have made errors on their laps. Should be interesting though, although I fear with Hamilton and kers there won't be too much passing up the front.

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  • 4. At 8:44pm on 26 Sep 2009, dundeemanufan wrote:

    I think although Hamilton probably was the fastest, Barrichello's crash prevents us from really seeing the true gap as I reckon every other car could have/ would have improved on their previous laps, with Rosberg and Vettell possibly in pole position.
    Remember Rosberg was unlucky not to win here last year and he is obviously good around the place.

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  • 5. At 8:48pm on 26 Sep 2009, Mark Blow wrote:

    how does the fuel adjusted grid take into the fact that the session was aborted before everyone hadn't completed their final qualifying laps and as such, there's no guarantee that Hamilton would have been the fastest.

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  • 6. At 8:50pm on 26 Sep 2009, me wrote:

    Alonso to pit on lap 17.

    What odds Grosjean slams it into the wall lap 19 anyone... ;-)

    And did everybody else notice the funny look on DC's face when EJ commented how crashing had helped Rubens in qualifying.. hehe!

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  • 7. At 8:51pm on 26 Sep 2009, megajc2222 wrote:

    hamilton will cruise to victory. would have been intresting to see how fast vettel's second lap was because it looked like a very quick one and if he had got pole it would make the race more intresting

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  • 8. At 9:02pm on 26 Sep 2009, jayxtreme wrote:

    Don'tcha love the banter between EJ and DC live on air? :)

    On Topic

    Great stuff from Lewis... the final flying laps from Vettel and others would have been interesting... but I do believe Hami had another flying lap on his tyres (he saved a fresh set in Q1)

    Great quali and looks to be a good race!


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  • 9. At 9:04pm on 26 Sep 2009, robefc wrote:

    I'm a hamilton fan but I'm disappointed there's no mention in the article that he was the only driver to get a lap on new soft tyres (because he saved a set in Q1).

    It's the decisive fact in the relative times because of Rubens crashing...

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  • 10. At 9:05pm on 26 Sep 2009, TonyTango wrote:

    And how much faster would Hamilton's second lap been? He felt that there were a couple more tenths.

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  • 11. At 9:13pm on 26 Sep 2009, MMMoff wrote:

    I agree it would have been nice to see the last flying lap (Not least backing Rosberg at 70 to 1 for pole!) but Hamilton has shown here just as Valencia that it is very suited to his car and driving style. At the end of the day it was the same for everyone.

    Awesome to see he has the extra fuel too. Let's hope he just disappears into the distance and its a nice safe race with 20 finishers :o)

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  • 12. At 9:22pm on 26 Sep 2009, MMMoff wrote:

    As an additional note of course he didn't NEED to qualify first. The KERS would almost certainly be sufficient to be leading at the end of the first lap starting anywhere in the top 3. Its generally considered to be worth 2 places on the start/finish straight.

    So the pole was really just the icing on the cake.

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  • 13. At 9:22pm on 26 Sep 2009, salti wrote:

    "how does the fuel adjusted grid take into the fact that the session was aborted before everyone hadn't completed their final qualifying laps and as such, there's no guarantee that Hamilton would have been the fastest."

    But everyone else would have been in the same situation, all out for a final flying lap. Hamilton's grid place was well deserved, the fuel adjusted grid here shows that he actually gained an extra 2 tenths advantage ahead of his nearest rival once fuel has been taken into account.

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  • 14. At 9:22pm on 26 Sep 2009, FastBBBB wrote:

    Rosberg was unfortunate.

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  • 15. At 9:34pm on 26 Sep 2009, Daydream Procrastinator wrote:

    I don't think we can draw full conclusions about true pace from these times, because of Barrichello's accident late on, which meant everyone had to abort their laps when many of them would probably have gone quicker. Therefore to laud this as a brilliant performance by Hamilton is probably overstating it a little. However this is not to say that he doesn't deserve his pole, equally it doesn't mean that he isn't in the best position to win this race. One more thing though - to say that all the strategies are remarkably similar is just plain wrong. Five laps' difference between the first and last stoppers in the top 10 is just about what one would expect at a circuit as long as Singapore. The real explanation for the large spread of lap times is that nobody was able to improve on their original 'banker' laps because of Rubens' crash.

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  • 16. At 9:42pm on 26 Sep 2009, zebra85 wrote:

    It's worth bearing in mind that Hamilton saved an extra lap of fuel over Vettel when Barrichello crashed, because Lewis hadn't started his second hot lap yet, whereas Vettel was a good half way round his. Not sure where Rosberg was on the circuit but Hamilton looks very good for the race.

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  • 17. At 9:42pm on 26 Sep 2009, superdaveangel wrote:

    Totally agree with The_Jacobian @15. The lap times were mostly void as they were all ramped up after coming in for new tyres and it never really happened. Great for Lewis though. But the race is gonna be strange as the safety car is bound to come out at some point. It's gonna a be a good one!

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  • 18. At 9:43pm on 26 Sep 2009, me wrote:

    # 11 - mmmoff...'Let's hope he just disappears into the distance and its a nice safe race with 20 finishers'

    Oh I do hope so, I could do with a couple of hours sleep after Sunday lunch...

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  • 19. At 9:43pm on 26 Sep 2009, Darkman wrote:

    It really is a topsy turvy show this year. Who would want to predict this?

    Shame we didn't see Vettel or Rosberg's pace on new tyres. Rosbergs Q2 lap looked awesome.

    Should be a cracker. I just hope the safety car doesn't affect the outcome.

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  • 20. At 9:47pm on 26 Sep 2009, DiceManCometh wrote:

    Can that much be read into the results, the lack of a second run must have had a big effect. Kovalainen is not 1.7s slower than Hamilton and would have closed this up. How many other drivers made critical mistakes on their first lap, with there second lap destroyed by a massive mistake from Barichello?

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  • 21. At 9:50pm on 26 Sep 2009, craig-woollard wrote:

    What happened to Heikki's quali pace? Only 2 laps more fuel than Lewis but still 1.8s off the pace. I can see a Red Bull domination coming on here...

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  • 22. At 9:51pm on 26 Sep 2009, megajc2222 wrote:

    11) mmoff we want a close race not a nice sunday stroll for lewis

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  • 23. At 9:59pm on 26 Sep 2009, Dennis wrote:

    I dont think its acurate to take these times and see them as real pace. Only hamilton and rosberg set a time on new tyres, the others were on scrubs for their first run as far as i understand. I think Vettel would have been on pole with a clear lap at the end

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  • 24. At 10:05pm on 26 Sep 2009, Carlonso wrote:

    REF 6

    Barrichello was very lucky to finish 5th. Had he not crashed he could well have found himself lower down the order, and with his 5 place penalty he could have found himself behind Button in 12th.

    Very lucky indeed....

    Rosberg was robbed of pole - he for me has, pound for pound, been the most impressive driver this season.

    I hope he wins.

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  • 25. At 10:07pm on 26 Sep 2009, Gulam786 wrote:

    Lewis Hamilton deserved the pole, he was the best driver out there.

    And i will tell you that he will win the singapore race. Thers no questions about that!!!!!!!!

    Come on Lewis your the best, keep up the good work and wish you luck!!

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  • 26. At 10:09pm on 26 Sep 2009, Stargazer wrote:

    As far as I can see, Lewis Hamilton was more than half a second clear of Nico Rosberg and more than a second clear of Mark Webber in 4th, having looked fast all through. Yes, someone might have pulled out a real flyer in the closing seconds, but he was still pretty damned fast :-)! Numbers like that don't broke much argument.

    Even if someone had pulled out a brilliant last lap, who is to say that Lewis Hamilton would not have gone faster still? If you put all your eggs in one basket in qualifying you know that any incident can ruin your lap, so you don't cry about how unfair reality is when your gamble does not come off.

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  • 27. At 10:13pm on 26 Sep 2009, megajc2222 wrote:

    i have to agree carlonso apart from the last race he has been very fast and has scored points consistently

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  • 28. At 10:27pm on 26 Sep 2009, domtv09 wrote:

    Tomorrow is going to give us one boring race...

    The first 14laps of the last years race was really boring, it only got exciting when piquet crashed :)

    This is the first race i've watched since i started in 2003 where i have not been looking forward to the race.

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  • 29. At 10:27pm on 26 Sep 2009, domtv09 wrote:

    All the F1 websites have been saying Thunder storms and rain, but it isn't coming :(

    I hope it chucks it down tomorrow :)

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  • 30. At 10:30pm on 26 Sep 2009, sassy-sez wrote:

    Eddie couldn't possibly have been suggesting that Rubens crashed on purpose could he? ;-) DC's face really was a picture. Hamilton is looking good for tomorrow but it would be nice to see Rosberg win

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  • 31. At 10:31pm on 26 Sep 2009, Paddy Nesbitt wrote:

    Well it should be a good race tomorrow and I hope Button can get something from this weekend - even if it's only one point, it all helps. Good luck fella

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  • 32. At 10:32pm on 26 Sep 2009, Stargazer wrote:

    If it rains we'll have 61 laps behind the Safety Car. This circuit is dangerous enough in perfect conditions; with rain it will become suicidal.

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  • 33. At 10:49pm on 26 Sep 2009, Rick wrote:

    I think regardless on if Q3 was finished Hamilton would have been on pole, and with the only KERS car on the front rows, he should be round the first corner first, and heavier fuel than his main rivals for victory (Rosberg, Red Bull's) so it's his race to lose.

    Kovalainen clearly would have been closer to Hamilton if he completed his final lap, bit of a shame, hope he can get himself up the grid tomorrow.

    As for Rubens crashing on purpose...this could be his final season, played second fiddle to Schumi for how many years? Unlucky at the first half of the season, clearly has good pace to win this championship, I believe he has just been pushing so hard to get everything out of the car that he went a step too far, if it wasn't for the Piquet incident no one would think anything of it, and they shouldn't.

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  • 34. At 10:55pm on 26 Sep 2009, PhilGW54 wrote:

    just a thought, won't the repairs to Ruben's car break 'parc ferme' rules resulting in a start from the pit lane?

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  • 35. At 11:12pm on 26 Sep 2009, alan1970 wrote:

    Jenson starting at P12, fueled for 26 laps - therefore a very short stint on the least preferred "option" tyre (i.e. 2 stopping) and a circuit that is almost certainly guaranteed to have a SC - would in my opinion, give him a good shout at a podium 3rd place; ahead of a lesser fueled Rubens in a damaged car (provided JB keeps his head at the start and the pursuant few laps).

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  • 36. At 11:15pm on 26 Sep 2009, tpott55 wrote:

    Hamilton looking good for the win, Heikki and the other drivers were unfortunate in the fact that the didn't get to do another flier.

    And yeah DC's look when EJ was commenting on the crash was great, seemed to be the only one of the three to make the connection though me sitting at home was expecting a bit of banter at that point.

    Another point too, as much as i like Jake it was great watching Bernie work his magic,k thank god EJ was there to clean up...

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  • 37. At 11:23pm on 26 Sep 2009, smifffies wrote:

    It's Lewis's to lose, Nico Rosberg did really well here last year and was quick and held off Lewis to take second, the Red Bulls looked quick but really on the edge with Mark Webber crashing in practise, so we might see another trying to hard from Vettel as get another Monaco end to his race. Rubens could get another 5 place penalty for yet another gearbox as Ross said in interview, it looked lunched from the accident as it looked to be a heavy side impact to rear. Jenson looks good for more points from 12th (11th is Rubens gets another penalty) with lots of fuel, as there have been 3 accidents just in practise & qually you just know it's not gonna be a trouble free race even excluding the possibility of rain!!! Can't wait to see the fun and hope Jenson pulls one out of the bag, safety car on lap 13 might be helpful :-)

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  • 38. At 11:46pm on 26 Sep 2009, smifffies wrote:

    @ PhilGW54

    exerpt from fia regs 2009 on parc ferme conditions:

    "Should a car require an engine change between qualifying and the race, then the driver concerned will be required to start from the back of the grid. Modifications to other parts or suspension set-up will require the driver to start from the pit lane."

    So in my reading of the rules yes Rubens should have to start from pitlane

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  • 39. At 11:53pm on 26 Sep 2009, MMMoff wrote:

    megajc2222 - Boring will do me just fine. Rosberg was the "true" winner last year so I decided to pick him for an easy points finish on Friday, alongside the *cough* considerable patriotic bet that Hamilton, based on Valencia form would walk this.

    If you believe the betting exchanges we will all be asleep by lap 20. Hehe.

    The only real pressure aside from Button of course is Grosjean. If he has a crash it could get very exciting not least for the BBC commentators!

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  • 40. At 11:59pm on 26 Sep 2009, RogerNeild wrote:

    Gone are the days of total team/driver domination thankfully. As Button clings to his ever diminishing lead I am sure some statistician could tell us (and what year and by whom) the lowest number of points that were earned to win the world championship.
    Button must surely be heading for a new (low) record.

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  • 41. At 00:05am on 27 Sep 2009, me wrote:

    Re Rubens... Ross was saying his new gearbox was trashed. Will that be another 5 place drop next race too? Or just 10 places this time? Or doesn't it count if he crashes - should have done it while he still had the old one in the car in that case! heyho, maybe he thought he had ;-)

    And #38 re pit lane - bit ambiguous that. Does 'modifications' mean 'changes to the setup', or rebuilding what was there in the first place, just as it was? My memory is that if the car is ready in time for the parade lap it's OK, but then my memory is also awful!

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  • 42. At 00:09am on 27 Sep 2009, bigfish786 wrote:

    since watching quali this afternoon, i've been looking all over the tinternet, to see if anyone else had mentioned the fact that rubens car will need a hell of a lot of work, i would have thought he would have had to drop another 10 places on the grid for having this work done. or start from the pit lane.
    if i'm wrong, will someone please explain why, ??
    or if this is a loophole in the rules, it needs sorting out, as we are all too aware of some teams willingness to bend the rules too far!

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  • 43. At 01:46am on 27 Sep 2009, jamesallensmells wrote:

    I'm backing Rosberg on this one, its about time he had some good luck!

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  • 44. At 02:21am on 27 Sep 2009, 30_Gilles27 wrote:

    This is probably the dodgiest fuel adjusted grid of the season due to the fact each driver only got one run. I believe Rosberg and Vettel are actually closer to Hamilton than the numbers suggest as both were on significantly faster laps than their previous attempts. Hamilton may well have improved his time as well with another attempt but I think the gap between the 3 of them would have been smaller than it ended up being.

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  • 45. At 02:40am on 27 Sep 2009, i_amracketchap wrote:

    I'm for Lewis Hamilton and am hoping mother nature brings rain to wet the track. Lewis has the know how to sizzle on a wet track. No other driver can do it better. Furthermore he's matured as a true sportsman to handle his last lap crash in the recent Hungarian GP both mentally and professionally. A podium is a sure thing for him. Go Lewis go!

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  • 46. At 03:24am on 27 Sep 2009, alunfennell wrote:

    Regarding Post 45.

    Sebastian Vettel has proven to be a master in wet conditions even getting his first win in a wet Italian Grand Prix of 2008, If you are on basing your comment on the rain soaked conditions of the Belgium in 2008 when Hamilton fought off the Ferrari's ? Hamilton lost it a few times but for the fact both Ferrari drivers could not keep there cars on the track Hamilton was luck to win !

    If it rains today we will see Vettel and Webber giving Hamilton a run for his money and most likly falling behind when the preasure of the Red Bulls gets to much ....

    Prediction Hamilton to win if it stays Dry, Vettel & Webber a ONE TWO if its wet with Hamilton Crashing out

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  • 47. At 06:01am on 27 Sep 2009, Rhyst3r wrote:

    Isn't this just showing the Mclaren bosses that Rosberg would be a lot better 2nd driver than Kovalinen? I really want Rosberg to do well today becasue he's been in F1 for what 4 years and it hasn't really formed into anything solid like a win. I'm not saying he can win today but if he's in a Mclaren next year...

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  • 48. At 07:07am on 27 Sep 2009, tootsie323 wrote:

    Rain on a bumpy circuit with no run-off in the event of a spin / loss of traction could make for a very interesting evening in Singapore... assuming that reflected glare does not make driving impossible.

    Several people (including the blogger!) appear to be quite optimistic about Jenson from 12th. I'm sure that the Brawn has the pace around here but overtaking is difficult full-stop and opportunities - despite the track mods made - will be severely limited. I'm not convinced whether a safety car will play to his benefit either. I hope I'm wrong, though!

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  • 49. At 08:08am on 27 Sep 2009, jayxtreme wrote:

    @ Rhyst3r on post #47

    Don't you think Raikkonen would be better for McLaren?.. I can see why Rosberg would be fantastic, but I think Kimi and Lewis would be a formidable partnership for a WCC next year :)


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  • 50. At 08:27am on 27 Sep 2009, roccotanski wrote:

    As an insider, i have a bit more info than most, and no-one has spotted that the lap times posted for Q are all based on their first run in Q3, and Hamilton was the ONLY car to use NEW OPTION tyres on that run. All others in the top end used SCRUBBED option. Further back, Hei, Kub, and Kov used NEW PRIME, which is a slower tyre by ~0.2s.
    So Hamilton benefited most from RB crash. Vettel was on a quick lap which would have pipped Ham, Ros was furthest around a quick lap which would not have improved his time by much. Obviously we dont know what Ham would have done on that new set.

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  • 51. At 08:30am on 27 Sep 2009, Guyzaa wrote:

    Lewis did not complete a final flying lap and so saved a couple of Kilos.

    A thought on Brawn and what will happen next year. Looking at them objectively they have a depth of talent which is spread evenly throughout the team. Jenson is a highly regarded driver with exceptional skills perhaps exceeding Rubens, Rubens is a racer perhaps better than Jenson, Brawn is a tactical Genius and Team manager par excellence, and a designer second only to Newey. With the exception of Brawn none are the very best in the same way as hamilton/alonso/Kimi are, but they are better than or as good as most of the others.

    I hope Brawn remains the same next season because it is very nearly the perfect team, and given the personalities elsewher, probably THE best that can be achieved in the real world.....

    Just a thought!


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  • 52. At 08:58am on 27 Sep 2009, pete_in_halstead wrote:

    Surprised that no-one has pointed out another benefit (for him) from Rubens crashing. Vettel in 2nd rather than possibly first. Rubens has to be worrying not only about overtaking Jenson in the Championship, but also fending off Vettel. Given he had to take a 5 place penalty, and given that the Brawn was not performing in Q2/Q3, it's hard to see how Q3 could have finished much better for Mr Barrichello.

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  • 53. At 09:25am on 27 Sep 2009, gr8jonny6 wrote:

    i reckon Hamilton has done extremely well this weekend. However, Guyzaa had pointed out quite a significant point. Hamilton had done his on the super soft which was much quicker than the other tyre. Rosberg and Vettel were on fliers so it wouldnt necessarily have put hamilton on pole had the rest of quali 3 been finished. thanks barrichello!
    it could have been worse for Barrichello though. the others could have put in better lap times on their first run. I'm thinking heiki, and he could have been struggling in 8/9th before he even took his penalty leaving him behind Button and possibly losing more ground. I think it will leave quite a fascinating race!

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  • 54. At 10:00am on 27 Sep 2009, Nadaliator wrote:

    Ruben's gearbox was changed before quali started so his car wasn't under parc ferme conditions.

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  • 55. At 10:15am on 27 Sep 2009, wossat wrote:

    please, please, please - can someone tell me the significance of the strange logo on the ferrari which looks like a barcode!

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  • 56. At 10:23am on 27 Sep 2009, Stargazer wrote:

    #41 Telnolies: His "new" gearbox was actually another old one. Brawn put in a used gearbox and are saving the new one for the next race.

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  • 57. At 10:51am on 27 Sep 2009, cordas wrote:

    @41 - Rubens car didn't go into park ferme otherwise it would be turning up on the grid in mangled form surely it should be starting from the pit lane.

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  • 58. At 11:15am on 27 Sep 2009, woefulwabbit wrote:

    #55 wossat -

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  • 59. At 11:16am on 27 Sep 2009, Jarman26 wrote:

    @ posts # 37 & 38

    I'm sure DC said in the commentary that Brawn would have to work on the car Sunday morning at 1000 local time after Parc Fermé opens back up. If that's correct then it's going to be a busy morning for the boys in the garage.

    I think that Hamilton should win though, KERS off the line will be enough to get him out of any trouble on the starting grid. It's up to him then to keep it on the island. Will be interesting though to see what the other positions turn out to be.

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  • 60. At 11:18am on 27 Sep 2009, Carlonso wrote:

    REF 47 & 49

    I'd rather see Rosberg as Number 1 at Williams than playing second fiddle to Hamilton at Maclaren.I just hope Williams build a more competitive car so he can really show off his talents for next season....and above all he needs a competitive team-mate...the same too for Hamilton - that's why Raikkonen would be the perfect partner for him - unflustered,metronomic, no personality, damn quick...perfect for Maclaren's ethos.

    REF 51

    I agree. It is no coincidence that the top 2 teams this season are the most harmonious and the sum of its parts are greater than the rest (with the exception, ironically, of BMW - Kubica/ Heidfeld is a good partnership, though Alonso/Kubica would be intriguing...)

    As Formula 1 has, in effect, become the Truman Show with Bernie as the Ring Master - the Red Bulls will outscore the Brawns enough to keep us believing it's still a 4 horse race...

    ...and as much as I respect Lewis' abilities, if the race turns out like Hungary....yawn...

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  • 61. At 11:28am on 27 Sep 2009, Gregz0r wrote:

    Tell you one thing - I can't wait until we get back to having bona-fide pole positions once again from next season, and no-more 'glory' poles laps on vapours. I wonder how the top tens this year would have looked, if only Q2 counted for the grids?
    Nico's Q2 lap will get forgotten in th course of history, but it should have been one of those truly classic laps, that deserved to be counted for something.
    Looking good for Lewis today. Don't screw this one up lad!

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  • 62. At 11:29am on 27 Sep 2009, Stargazer wrote:

    Carlonso, he won't go to McLaren (note the correct spelling) because they are going for a second point-scoring driver. If, as is assumed, Kimi Raikkonnen is in the team next season you won't see a "Number 1" and "Number 2", you'll just see them going flat out for the constructor's championship. Renault have been badly bitten by the need to have a hopeless #2 to their superstar and they have regreted it. McLaren have run out of patience with Heikki Kovalinen and not before time! Brawn and Red Bull are running away with the constructors championship because they have two points-scoring drivers and no "#1, #2" treatment.

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  • 63. At 11:35am on 27 Sep 2009, Stargazer wrote:

    Incidentally, I find it a little annoying that no one is giving Mark Webber any credit for a quite stunning season. The guy was a cripple last winter and there must have been some doubt that he would even be ready to race. To come back so well and have such a superb season has been a tremendous result.

    First images from the circuit show a mixture of white clouds and blue sky. Just beginning to get dark.

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  • 64. At 11:43am on 27 Sep 2009, Scarlet wrote:

    Post #46 alunfennell.

    Are you forgetting Lewis excelling at a wet Silverstone in '08 a minute ahead of Heidfeld in second place?
    I believe that's enough proof that Lewis works well in wet conditions.
    Belgium both Lewis and Kimi were on dry tyres in the rain, so that's hardly proof. :D

    But on the Singapore race - if it rains there will be no way it can go ahead. The glare from the floodlights and the rain would make it impossible to drive.
    But still I hope to see Nico + Lewis on the podium. :D

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  • 65. At 12:04pm on 27 Sep 2009, strawballs61 wrote:

    Ref post 60 I too think Raikkonen would be a good team mate to Hamilton because I don't think he would get flustered or bad tempered if he get's beat by his much younger and less experienced team mate

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  • 66. At 12:20pm on 27 Sep 2009, mesmerizing commenter wrote:

    All this about singapore race fixing...but I havnt seen anyone mention the fact that hamilton won last year by one place. If he had lost last year right now disqualification of Alonson singapore 2008 would mean hamilton having to go round to Massa'a house and take the championship trophy off him!!
    Can you image that situation? The sport has got off lightly and should take this much more seriously. Especially with Alonso saying all last year that he will do anything to help Massa.

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  • 67. At 3:21pm on 27 Sep 2009, peter wrote:

    It was like watching paint dry ,I turned it off after and hour of complete boredom.

    I think F1 has lost me for the moment

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  • 68. At 4:52pm on 27 Sep 2009, me wrote:

    Best bit of the race was the grid girls - were they hot, or just sizzling!

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  • 69. At 9:44pm on 27 Sep 2009, Nadaliator wrote:

    A great drive by Alonso today, a well deserved podium and a refection of a truly great driver.

    Hats off to Jens today could've been so bad.

    Well done to LH, I thought he'd win and for once got my prediction right.

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  • 70. At 9:48pm on 27 Sep 2009, Nadaliator wrote:


    How very ITV of you...

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