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Anger, despair and bewilderment

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David Bond | 17:13 UK time, Friday, 3 December 2010

The atmosphere was one of anger but also despair and bewilderment. 

As the England 2018 chief executive Andy Anson gave the dreaded morning after the night before media conference at the Steigenberger Hotel it was clear he still couldn't quite believe what had happened at Thursday's Fifa World Cup vote.

To lose was one thing. But to be eliminated with only two votes was quite another - especially when one of those votes came from Englishman Geoff Thompson.

At least five executive committee members had said they would vote for England in the first round, many of them looking Prince William or Prime Minister David Cameron in the eye and telling them they were on board.

England 2018 believe four members of the executive committee would vote for them in the first round - especially after holding talks with Prince William or David Cameron.

The bid team believe them to be: Jack Warner of Trinidad and Tobago, Korea's Chung Jong Moon, Marios Lefkaritis of Cyprus and Ivory Coast's Jacques Anouma.

A fifth, Chuck Blazer of the United States , is understood to have had his vote promised to England by Warner.

Anson refused to use the word betrayal, but it was written all over his face as he said there was no point in bidding again unless the process was changed.

"When you have the best technical bid, fantastic inspection visits, the best economic report, and, from what people told us, the best presentation, it's quite hard to stomach that all that seemed to count for absolutely nothing," said the England 2018 chief.

Anson also said he had been told that Fifa president Sepp Blatter had spoken to executive committee members of the "evil of the media" just before the vote.

"I think that was unhelpful - the last thing those guys hear before they go and tick the box is the evil of the media," added Anson. "That is not helpful and actually inaccurate.

"I was told by someone who was in the room that that's the last thing they were told by Blatter. There was a final sum up before they voted and I think it was at the beginning of that. That's not helpful to our cause."

Chief executive of England's 2018 bid Andy Anson talks to the assembled press. Photo: PA

With so much anger already aimed at the British media over the Sunday Times allegations which resulted in two members being banned and Monday's BBC Panorama programme, this was a devastating blow.

It reflected once again Blatter's power. Many were writing the Fifa chief off before this vote, suggesting his power was on the wane.

But he has shown that by securing the 2018 vote for Russia he is still very much in the ascendancy although Qatar's 2022 victory suggests Blatter cut a deal with his would be successor Mohamed Bin Hammam, the president of the Asian Football Confederation.

If Blatter's intention had been to remind the executive committee members of his wish to deliver on his promise to Russia then it worked.

I spoke briefly to Japanese executive committee member Junji Ogura, who confirmed that the media played its part - although he added it hadn't affected him.

Ogura had done a deal with Holland and Belgium and despite rating England's bid highly had to vote for the Low Countries' bid to give his Japanese bid for 2022 a chance of victory. He was one of the few to admit that to Thompson and is seen as an honourable man by England's bid team.

Confederation of African Football president Issa Hayatou, one of the three men named in the Panorama programme on Monday, also voted for England.

Once the recriminations die down the focus will switch to longer lasting change.

Fifa will now be urged to widen the vote and make it transparent.

There will also be questions over why the technical aspects of each bid seemed to be disregarded by members.

England 2018 deputy chairman Brian Mawhinney said there was a rumour that just three of the 22 voters read the bid books.

Fifa's desire to take football to new territories must be seen as laudable but the process by which these decisions are made is likely to come under enormous scrutiny - especially by those vanquished countries.

Whatever changes come in will be of little comfort to England, with 2030 the next chance for them to host the tournament.

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  • Comment number 1.

    We never had a chance, can we get out of fifa?

  • Comment number 2.

    I can totally sympathise if it is true that only 3 of the delegates read the bid books.

    I once worked up a full proposal for a UK RDA on behalf of a small SME to win what, for that company, would be a seriously major contract.

    We got right the way down to the last presentation and lost.

    I didn't mind the loss, what I went ballistic internally about was the feedback, which was like this:
    1. The first excuse was that we weren't a big enough company - which was the first criterion at the PQQ stage after about 2 hours work. Instead of which I did about 30 days of totally focussed work scoping, writing, honing and preparing the bid documents, presentation etc etc.
    2. The second was based on an assertion which said they hadn't listened to a word I said in the presentation as what I had said directly conflicted with their assertions.

    I realised afterwards that the whole thing had been a charade and that 'the fish had already been sold'.

    But it cost the firm quite a bit of at-risk money and effectively handed over 15 years of experience for nothing to the contracting body, who developed a reputation of that kind of thing. You know, getting 6 serious bidders to reveal their expertise and then go with their own boys and girls.........

    It's why I lost faith in public sector tendering.

  • Comment number 3.

    Although it is now "past history" for 2018, it is probably true that when it comes to the tournament itself, most countries will be at a very similar standard in terms of stadia and other football related matters and at the end of the day will deliver a good torunament in those terms - as did South Africa this year. So the selection will usually depend upon FIFA policy which is chiefly to extend their own influence (and secondly that of the game) - it follows that, provided a suitable country applies to hold the tournament, it is likely to go to "new" footballing nation or one that is expanding.

    However the sour grapes from many in the England camp will surely ensure that the World Cup never comes back here.

  • Comment number 4.

    Ah well, I think its about time the British media went to town on Fifa! Blatter thinks England not hosting will pull the media attention away from Fifa... though luck buddy, your decision is going to backfire.

  • Comment number 5.

    monsterev

    ^What he said.

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  • Comment number 7.

    If FIFA want to expand the legacy of football and give it to an eastern European country and one in the Middle East, then fair enough. I suspect that was the agenda all along.

    But I would have had far more respect for them if they had said that at the outset and not wasted the time and money of all the losing bidders instead of allegedly making false promises etc.

    It does seem that each bid was never going to be judged on merit, so no matter what the losing bidders promised or came up with it was going to those nations that won.

    So much time and money wasted for many countries that need every euro/dollar/pound they have right now.

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  • Comment number 9.

    Blatter has always had it in for English Football and he obviously revelled in the opportunity to embarass the FA.

    Add in the fact that our media had rightly IMO exposed the gravy train mentaility of some of the committee then England never had a chance.

    It's a shame and wrong that one man carries so much power, especially when you consider the money spent in these tough economic times.

    If FIFA had been straight up from the start that they were only considering bids from "new" countries then that would have helped and maybe encouraged some other bids as well.

  • Comment number 10.

    We have to come away from this as not looking like sore losers and also accept that our media have had plenty of time to investigate FIFA delegates but left it to crucial moments of England's world cup bid and should hang their heads in shame (including the BBC).

    What is more laughable and damaging to FIFA is awarding the 2022 bid to Qatar and only giving the Australians one vote. It clearly shows that their is something underhand going on when a country who hasn't given qualified for the world cup gets the right to host one.

    If I was in the English FA I would tirelessly campaign for a change to FIFA and for the current FIFA hierarchy to step down on the understanding that it is pointless bidding under the current regime, if not we need to play the game although not falling into the error of offering bribes, but building bridges with other FAs.

    If England should qualify for these world cups it will be interesting to see if English fans have forgiven and attend these events in numbers, especially considering the human rights issues in these countries and FIFA may come to realise that they can't bank on English fans backing and attending World Cups have we have in the past.

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  • Comment number 12.

    I think it will be even longer than 2030 before England get the WC again. Even with badly needed changes in the voting system, it is unlikely that England will succeed. Because...

    The 2030 WC cannot be in the middle east or wherever it ends up in 2026 (under current rules-and let us asssume that either the US or Australia get the 2026 WC) So from Europe:Spain will bid again, and maybe even Netherlands/Belgium. There could also be bids from Italy, France, Turkey and a possible joint bid from Scandinavia. This could be the competition from within Europe.
    Japan, South Korea, and probably China could be the Asian bids (maybe even India if they improve on the commonwealths, and football becomes more popular).
    There could be a bid from an African land, say Egypt or Angola (they have the money).
    And maybe Argentina, Colombia or Venezuela would fancy a chance.
    Then Mexico could bid, and maybe even the US(if they don`t get it in 2026-read the same for Australia).

    So I think that it would be even more difficult next time around. The stadia will be less new, maybe the Premier League not as globally popular, and English players maybe not good enough even.

    As for the voting...

    Each confederation should choose one country and get behind that bid, then let each of the heads of the FAs not from that confederation vote for their choice (understand?). These votes would then be added to points `scored` from the FIFA technical/economic reports for each bid, thus giving a final score, from which the winning bid can be decided. And scrap the sharing around lark. Just give it to the best allround bid that gets the best score. Simple.
    England should have got it!

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  • Comment number 14.

    What a waste of funds that could have been better spent elsewhere on the game. Doomed from the off when nobody likes you as a footballing nation. Not helped one jot by putting up a prince, a lord and an old Etonian to front the presentation, although by that time few were going to change their intended votes. Forget it.

  • Comment number 15.

    My comment was removed, so much for freedom of speech ......

  • Comment number 16.

    no-one likes us, we don't care, we are England, super England

  • Comment number 17.

    no-one likes us, we don't care, we are England, super England.

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  • Comment number 20.

    At least the moderators are getting paid tonight.

    Please don't try to defend the fact that the media had a huge impact in the final outcome.

    When South africa got the bid the BBC had a field day for 6 years, economy, unstable people, crime etc.

    Did FIFA want BBC for another 7, I think not, but giving it to Russia, I think they got it.

    BBC also took on FIFA itself, the one body in the world who answers to no-one, but hands out the right to host the most sought after tournament in the world.

    Panorama, allegations of this and that...

    Do you really think England had a chance. Me, nope.

    Not to mention that English clubs are in huge debt, administration, being mismanaged, all the things FIFA are against.

    All the BBC does is moan and groan, that is the biggest reason why I read the blogs, even when they are giving out a good review(of the SA world cup), they always end it with the negatives.

    So ta to BBC, paid for by the people they betrayed.

    One thing that cannot be overlooked(totally on another note), FIFA want to bring the WC to parts of the world where it has never been, hence South Africa, but to a country that has not even brought football to it's own people, Qatar, is a bit rediculous. Russia can have it, but Q! OMG.

  • Comment number 21.

    I don't really have an issue with Russia getting it because they have a decent league and have produced a number of fine players in recent years. Their stadiums are pretty good any they have plenty of time to bring their infrastructure etc up to scratch but Quatar (that great footballing nation!) I'm not so sure about.

    Their league is rubbish - it's where ex-stars go there for one final pay-off and the temperature is going to be about 2,000 degrees! Sigh, I guess money talks and that's one thing Quatar has plenty of...

  • Comment number 22.

    "At least five executive committee members had said they would vote for England in the first round, many of them looking Prince William or Prime Minister David Cameron in the eye and telling them they were on board.

    "England 2018 believe four members of the executive committee would vote for them in the first round - especially after holding talks with Prince William or David Cameron."

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    Honestly - what have Prince William and David Cameron got to do with football? Or even logistics, for that matter? The delegates probably listened to Prince William for five minutes, thought "Who is this guy, and why the hell have they sent him to talk to me, he knows sweet FA about football" and then said "Yeah, yeah, you have our support" just to get rid of him. Prince William may be big news in the News of The World, but in terms of international football he is a nobody.

    Bottom line is, most other countries simply don't like England. That's not corruption, guys, it's just plain old preferring-someone-else. And the ill grace with which the English bid team have taken their defeat will further cement the international image of England as overbearing, passive-aggressive and arrogant.

    Congratulations to Russia.

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  • Comment number 24.

    I can't understand why my post is taking so long to moderate - I basically said the same as everyone else.

    Is it because I is Welsh?

  • Comment number 25.

    I'd like the media to start taking FIFA apart piece by piece to identify every payment, influence, gift, holiday, that these guys received, and forensically inspect the way it was taken.

  • Comment number 26.

    Of course England were never going to get the WC ,we already had the Olympics!! no chance of getting the WC as well and how much money was spent creating this stupid bid? money that could have/should have gone to grass roots football.

    They should have used common sense but at least they know how an artiste feels when they are refused funding for a really worthwhile project hurts doesn't it?

    JP

  • Comment number 27.

    Why has nobody mentioned that Holland/Belgium got 4 votes in the 1st round then managed to only get 2 votes in the 2nd round?

    How can someone vote for a bid then change their mind?? Surely that's worse than 'giving your word' to a bid party.

    Hypocrisy rules again!!

  • Comment number 28.

    Apparently pointing out the obvious breaks house rules lol BBC you really need to look in the mirror

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  • Comment number 30.

    I am sorry to be a spoil sport in all this sorrowful navel gazing. But Russia has a population of 142 million and has never staged the World Cup. The UK with a population of 62 million had it in 1996. I realise it is difficult for some to accept that we are just small island in the North Atlantic and a former colonial power, but that is the case. It is even quite right that the Netherlands/ Belgium with no previous staged events should be in advance of us.

    As to the quality of the bid, it is quite understandable the delegates put that at a low priority. South Africa with little previous infrastructure did well. Countries are very unlikely to permit such a prominent event go wrong and staged inspections soon show up any problems.

    I doubt the delegates gave any regard to the UK media coverage. UK media is known world-wide for its intrusive and biased coverage of events - look at the comments that were made about the South African event before it was staged. Who cares?

  • Comment number 31.

    When I was 21 I applied for a commission as an officer with the Royal Marines. I was sent an application pack with all the information. The whole process took me 2 years to complete.

    Firstly, I had to do about 18 months of intensive physical training to get through the Potential Officers Course - 3 days of excrutiating physical fitness examination including a 30 mile yomp. I passed and moved on to the next stage - the Admiralty Interview Board which is 3 days of psychological evaluation, leadership skills testing, essay writing, exams and so on.

    There were over 10,000 candidates that year for 60 places. When I left the AIB I was told that I was in the top 200 and had an excellent chance.

    A month later I got a rejection letter and later found out that I was rejected because:

    1) None of my family had any links with the Military
    2) I hadn't gone to the right schools/universities

    Why then did I bother spending 2 years of my life trying to get in when I HAD NO CHANCE FROM THE OUTSET?

    I have never been so disgusted again in my life ...

    UNTIL THE 2018 FIFA WORLD CUP VOTING

    disgraceful - CARTEL

  • Comment number 32.

    Re. 25 cyberleech - be careful what you ask for - the truth might hurt England even more!!

  • Comment number 33.

    Time to let BBC and The Sunday Times off the hook...

    There may be another view on this where the English bid amounted to emotional blackmail. There was too much focus on deprivation, poverty and hardship in a country that is supposed to be a rich footballing FIFA member.

    They also failed to focus on national identity like Spain, Holland and Belgium did with the final presentation predominantly showing foreign countries, foreign footballers, foreign managers and foreign owned clubs.

    And while I wish Prince William well at his wedding and have empathy for David Beckham's grandfather story they really weren't relevant to our bid.

    The only surprise is that David Cameron didn't get enough votes to win this time but failed to wangle a result in his favour!

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  • Comment number 35.

    Just how much money was put into the bid? How many great clubs, in turmoil, could have been bailed out of HM's tax claims? with the bid money.

    Time to look after your own, and don't say you could have done this with the money made from a WC, because you would not have.

  • Comment number 36.

    I Think it is about time the English realized they are just not liked by the rest of Europe

  • Comment number 37.

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  • Comment number 38.

    Forget the process, forget the result, at the end of the day Jack Rodwell will hoist the trophy in Moscow as England's captain in 2018. Oh, and he'll still be a Blue, sorry Citeh, SAF et al!

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  • Comment number 41.

    It's hard not to sound bitter, but I am really annoyed that having the best technical bid counted for nothing. I could have just about accepted the World Cup going to Russia had the 2022 one not gone to Qatar. It was at that point that I realised that Fifa couldn't give a stuff who was the best, it was all about the money.

    Football - bringing people together (as long has you have $40bn to spend on new stadiums 60 miles apart in the middle of the desert).

  • Comment number 42.

    The FIFA World Cup has already been devalued in terms of entertainment and underlying politics way before this farce. Club over country and too much football injuring star players.

    The English FA should be most concerned about getting their own house in order first. Even though the Premier league is the envy of my many other nations in terms of profile & financial success it still fails to produce a successful national team (look at Germany).

    Chasing the expansion of the game in South Africa has left a legacy of large stadiums with limited attendance (similar to that of Portugal in the Euro's).

    In both Russia & Qatar the are huge amounts of money to be made through tax breaks and TV rights as attendance of football tourists will continue to decline in the current economic environment. The Americans had a large presence in South Africa this is unlikely to be the case in Russia or the Middle East whatever assurances are received not sure England will definitely qualify for either tournament unless things improve at home.

    But then why would most England fans go to Qatar for an alcohol free tournament?

  • Comment number 43.

    One thing that I forgot. All this noise about the media costing us the world cup, nonsense. No, this FIFA bunch, let us not forget they want their tourney to be tax free in the host country act as though they are above the law of any land. Bring us gifts, shower us with money, but lo and behold you who darest question our decisions and investigate us!
    And in FIFA's defence, well, they did change their moniker from the utterly laughable "For the Good of the Game". HA HA, it is now I believe, "For the game". How appropriate. And the spoils that go with it!

  • Comment number 44.

    At 32, getting at 25.

    By that stage most of the FIFA today will be dead and gone.

    Blatter is only looking at his own legacy... bring football to the world.

    By 2030 or so, looking at todays financials, it will all be money, the the WC will be in England one year, China the next and maybe the USA every now and then, if AL'Q don't take them out first.

  • Comment number 45.

    not enough moderators tonight?

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  • Comment number 47.

    I think it's time to see what Robbo says about this lot, Cheers

  • Comment number 48.

    Re 26

    Of course England were never going to get the WC ,we already had the Olympics!! no chance of getting the WC as well and how much money was spent creating this stupid bid? money that could have/should have gone to grass roots football.

    They should have used common sense but at least they know how an artiste feels when they are refused funding for a really worthwhile project hurts doesn't it?

    JP
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    Russia have the winter olympics in 2014, care to explain....?

  • Comment number 49.

    No. 22 G_K___

    Prince William is the president of the FA to be fair to him. If he hadn't have been there I'd have been worried

  • Comment number 50.

    The British Media hypes everything about England. This bid was neck to neck with the Russian bid but the Executive Committee members will never forget what the British Media did to their colleagues. It was pay back time. How can someone like JAck Warner vote against England? The British Media will never accept its responsibility for us losing this bid but as usual will go on the offensive against FIFA. Remember FIFA rules football not the British Media.

  • Comment number 51.

    I remember Qatar appearing in the first FIFA computer game, perhaps it was a sign. It is disappointing not to have the WC coming here but saw the guy from the Times on the news today and he made a very good point that has been echoed by some here. When it became clear that FIFA officials were suspect in relation to bribes why didn't we take the moral highground and withdraw our bid pending a reform of the procedure?

    The answer could arguably be that we (the FA & bid team) recognised the danger of corruption but still thought we could manipulate the system to our advantage (eg. handbags as someone mentioned). It's been pointed out that we had the best technical bid, although I don't mind losing out to Russia, but the fury that we never stood a chance is baffling. What was your first clue? If some FIFA officials have been suspended it builds a case to argue that maybe there were others smart or lucky enough not to incriminate themselves. I don't assert this myself but it is interesting to think about.

    We hear time and again about the economic benefits to a county of a World Cup but I'd be happy just to see a decent competition that doesn't send me to sleep, and barring one or two incidents that last WC was the dullest I can remember by a large margain. I agree that the power needs to be taken from the hands of these 22 individuals, maybe then we might see a WC about football first and fastbucks second.

  • Comment number 52.

    As a person who has been watching footbal since 1974, English Championship and later, Premier League, German and Italian League, World Cups are something else. Brazil and Germany are always my favourite team to win.

    England never took part in the World Cup until 1958 which itself can answer a lot questions.

    The 1966 World Cup was a lucky victory for England. The jury was still out on that English goal and finally it has been solved with a tit for tat in the last World Cup. England has never showed any consistency after that or before that. I mean any football competition. 1972 ,1976, 1980 European championships to name a few. Why is it England never sends a team to the Olympics or do they fail to qualify

    Somebody or something is always to blame for that. For example, 1970- The Mexican heat. Gerd Mueller. 1974 -Polish goalkeepers and like Brian Clough said : xxxxxxxxxxx who kept England out. 1978 - The Italians. And I can go on and on.

    The funny thing is there is no lack of talent. If England wants to claim that it is the home of football, then it has to show it with their talent.

    It is no use saying we won in 1966 because that is gone to the history books. What is point of reading it over and over again or seeing it over and over again?

    I can conclude one thing about English football especially the present situation. It is a very entertaining programme every year from September to May.

  • Comment number 53.

    @30

    I agree that Russia have a strong claim. But England didn't host the World Cup in 1996; that was the European Championship. An event that Holland/Belgium also hosted, in the year 2000.

    @26
    Brazil might disagree with you there

  • Comment number 54.

    I think it's safe to say that everyone is in favour of a complete overhaul of FIFA to ensure that all of their decisions (such as the votes on hosting tournaments, the laws of the game, and the use of technology) are open and transparent.

    FIFA do not answer to fans or governments, so we have to use their motivations to affect change.

    There is only one way to achieve this: Boycott their official sponsors, and make it as loud and clear as you can why they are being boycotted. This is the only way we fans can force change in FIFA, and save the game we all love.

  • Comment number 55.

    Oh dear, my orginal post broke the house rules. Well I am sure that this won't.
    Wonderful darling and oh so gracious Mr. Jack Warner and his ever so honourable colleagues who fulfill their duties without any recourse or question delivered the 100% correct result in\\with Russia and Qatar rightfully and clearly obviously winning the right to host the honourable FIFA world cup.
    Hoorah for them. Any thought of bribery, deceit and backhanders should be banished.
    Will that do?

  • Comment number 56.

    Good to see the haters out in force as usual. Can't imagine going onto a blog from another country to crow about them not getting a sporting event, but I guess this sort of thing attracts a specific segment of the populace.

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  • Comment number 58.

    So, to recap:

    it's an old boy's network with an opaque operating model. That's enough about Cameron and Windsor - what about that other lot..?

  • Comment number 59.

    Post #2 has summed it up very succinclty. This was a done deal months in advance. You can best the best but at the end of the day the hidden agenda wins.

    I have no doubt Russia will do a grand job but they set criteria and this is what the final decision should be based upon. England and Australia won fair and square.

    Qatar have no reasonable basis to apply for the event. Based on the way they have acquire gold medals in athletics I expect to see their 2022 squad made up of a majority of players from Europe, Africa and South America. Let us see were they live out their retirement.

    A sad day for sport in general.

  • Comment number 60.

    Blatter is a small man in a small country orchestrating mostly other small leagues in world a status. For goodness sake this is the tail wagging the dog big time. How on earth can the biggest football nations in the world stand by and watch as a world cup is handed to Qatar !!!!

  • Comment number 61.

    FIFA shoots itself in the foot again. Really, this organisation is so far removed from modern standards it should be no surprise that quality of the packages had nothing to do with the decisions.

    It is 100% political and 3rd world political at best. I don't think that anyone begrudges Rusia a World Cup......but it is the manner of the voting...1 vote.

    Unfortunately, England have paid the price for it's high and mighty attitude. If change is required, it will have to come from within FIFA. At the moment England don't want to be part of it....sorry, that's the only way with FIFA.

    Personally I believe England are right to be upset. FIFA is a "how to win friends and influence people" organisation.....not the English strong suit.

    Ultimately, what FIFA represents is what's happens on the pitch......diving, cheating, referee baiting, blatant disregard for the facts (lack of technology) and should be reformed.

    I would like to see this go further, take it to the next level....withdraw from FIFA (I think that the US and Australia would support us too) and let's see what happens to Blatter's monopoly.

    As a side issue, the British Media do require some government regulation, they can be blamed in some part for this situation. There is freedom of speech and then there is "don't you know when to keep your big mouth shut"!

  • Comment number 62.

    The World Cup is now the football equivalent of the Eurovision Song Contest

  • Comment number 63.

    It would be so naive & ingenuous to think England had a chance after what the media did. You crucify someone you're at his mercy & later go to beg for his help. Common sense should tell you he wouldn't help you even if he says it, lol.
    If the Sunday times & Panorama were sensible, they would have made known their revelations today, a day after the voting & still made money off it or wait for 8 years & make SO MUCH MONEY off the world cup. Every country goes into it for benefits so if you pay to have it, it's not so bad & P.S Everyone or almost everyone in this world today is corrupt whether financially, morally, lies. Impropriety is corruption. The BBC & Sunday Times can't claim indifference, if so, lets investigate them too, lol. Politics & corruption is everywhere, it's how you handle it that matters. Lets not fool ourselves.

  • Comment number 64.

    We are accused that our own arrogance cost us the bid, and then our collective reaction is an outstandingly arrogant claim that its a fix cause there couldn't possibly be another winner than England. We also have the audacity to tell the FIFA voters they are all currupt just days before the vote, & still expect to win. Despite Russia having a fair & legitimate claim to hosting the World Cup we will probably always choose to believe they bribed their way there instead of thinking there could possibly have been the tiniest weakness in our own bid.

    So yes our bid was flawed by our own arrogance & selfish ambition, and when 2 of the other more succesful bids were joint ones, we chose to go it alone & revel in our own glory.

    Whether or not there's been a sudden shift to favour only new football frontiers...we should have not only have anticipated it, but wanted it & built our bid around it. Anyone heard of WALES, SCOTLAND or NORTHERN IRELAND, these are virtually undiscovered countries that are actually quite nearby & could easily have been been included in a bid. As far as FIFA are concerned these would be the new frontiers to the world cup stage that they desire. The fact we choose to exclude them made it all the easier for FIFA to exclude us. We could even team up with the ROI, why not?

    Scotland, Wales & Ireland are equally capable as England of holding a first class World Cup. In all seriousness, what can England do that they can't? Stadiums would be state of the art, passionate capacity crowds, safe, good transport etc. Everything required in a bid would be first class. I really can't see there being a down side in being part of a joint UK bid, except for us Englishmen having to accepting that we do actually need help.

    My first reaction was with a joint bid they could host the semi finals, and with the final at Wembley...but even I spotted my own smug English arrogance. If we were really serious about wanting to not being despised by FIFA & our neighbours..then how about hosting a World Cup & having the final NOT in England. We are are the United Kingdom right? all equal?

    This would also mean automatic World Cup final qualification for all of us, which even we'd jump at the chance to get.

    Its not like our neighbours aren't ready anyway.

    As a Wolves fan, the best day of my life was winning promotion at Cardiff, which for the majority of English people is actually closer than Wembley anyway. Its right next to Bristol...which was one of our 15 stadiums in our bid, proposed to rebuilt to host just 40,000. Would it have killed us to go a few miles over the border to include Cardiff's Millenium Stadium in our bid. Its already fantastic, & a 74,500 capacity. It seems terribly short sighted not to have done so.

    The bottom line is I'd like to see the World Cup in England in my lifetime (I was born 2 months afer the last one in 1966), and even if it mean't an Anglo/French bid I'd be on board to see it happen.

  • Comment number 65.

    @30 England did take part in 1950 and 54 but those are also best forgotten as is the fact that England were I believe the only team to win a WC by playing all their matches at one ground - their own "home" ground.

  • Comment number 66.

    I think UK football should break away from FIFA. Now! Create a new governing body with the US, Australia and with anyone else who would be interested in joining this. Think big and bold. FIFA stands up like an old rickety shed in your back garden; you want to dismantle it but for sentimental reasons you decide to keep it. Transparency, accountability, openness and criteria is what is required now in the world but you will never get that from FIFA.

  • Comment number 67.

    it makes me laugh here we are in one of the most serious recession in history and you have people like prince Andrew and beckham and football managers crying like little children because they weren't picked it really is a joke and to make it even more of a joke it doesn't start until 2018 we could all be dead by then through a nuclear war. we seem to think more of football then helping those that are starving to death look at the situation in India when our lot went over there only the rich could afford to go to the stadium while most of the poor starved.england land of intellectual twits and morons.

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    RE: 27

    tactical voting?
    I assume that Russia told a couple of supporters to vote Holland/Belgium, to knock England out early, so England could not get second preference from Holland
    or spain if it came to it.

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  • Comment number 71.

    England didn't get chosen. I'm personally relieved as there are certain parts of the UK which would probably never hear the end of it.
    YOU LOST. NOW GET OVER IT! and stop acting like a spoilt child as though you were the end and be all of everything.

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  • Comment number 74.

    As #1 said, let's just get out of FIFA.

  • Comment number 75.

    I understand that a world cup can bring money,prosperity and inclusion into a country,however surely it is primarly a football competition and not a charity.England has the best facilities,capabilites and stature between all the bids to host the most succsesfull world cup,and afterall we did invent the beautiful game,yet we have only host the competition once, and we have the likes of Qatar,who lurk below 100 in the fifa rankings, hosting a world cup when really they are already rich from oil.Totally beyond me how we failed to at least compete for the bid, and how Qatar,who havent contributed much to football get the bid.Total bias and politcal decisions from fifa yet again.I bet platini is laughing his head off.

  • Comment number 76.

    Only 3 voters read the bid books.

    And how many voters in the election read the manifestos? Who runs the country is a much more important issue, yet I bet the % was lower!

    And people are shocked by this?

    We all know now that Japan has admitted they did a deal with Holland/Belgium, it is roumoured that spain did a deal with quatar, and of course we all know what Triesman said, turned out what he thought was the way it went but hey that's a conspiracy theory right?

    Simple fact is FIFA don't give a fig about the "technical aspects" or the "economic aspect" each memeber does whats best for itself, and despite us jumping through hoops for people like Warner he got what he could out of us and then voted for someone who gave him more!

    Was always going to happen, what does it take for people in this country to have their eyes opened?

    Did anyone actually think we would win? Did they believe the media who siad we had a shout at winning in South Africa too?

    Seriously, some people beggar belief!

    WAKE UP!

  • Comment number 77.

    Unfortunately there is too much money is top class football,therefore it is open to Corruption, National Pride, Media Coverage etc.

    I watched the previous World Cup Final at Wembly with pride. So uncomplcated was the whole World Cup competition !

    Now it is all a bit of a circus with all the media coverage.

    In fact the final voting procedure reminded me of the Eurovision Song Contest results.

    Thank goodness that the British tax payer will not have to foot the bill for the enevitable security for this event. I am sad that it will not return in my lifetime in the UK.

  • Comment number 78.

    The government cries over missing the 2018 football bid. It needs to get real and realise aslong as they make cuts, restrict the country from progressing no one will ever want to come to the uk. Rather than crying like babies for football they need to help this country and lead by example. Yes David cameron and nick clegg this means make the cuts in your own homes first before you try ruining other peoples lives!!!!!

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  • Comment number 80.

    "Why is it England never sends a team to the Olympics or do they fail to qualify "
    ________________________

    Really? Been watching since 1974 and you haven't figured that bit out yet?

    Kinda puts the rest of your "opinions" in perspective don't it?

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  • Comment number 82.

    @52 - your comments ring true.

    The Premier League is in a bizarre love triangle with the FA and FIFA. The Premier League is so sexy and appealing that there is no love left for the others.

    Their desires are so sated in the PL that they won't get breathless again. Come on - the world went global 40 yrs ago - we need a football re-boot to synch everything together if everyone is going to benefit.....

  • Comment number 83.

    I can't believe that the excuse for us not hosting the world cup is because of the sunday times and a 30 minute panorama programme! All the positives from our bid can't be undone on just those things alone. The real issues are that the English F.A are useless when it comes to getting other national F.A's onside and that FIFA will be all to happy to award us a world cup when a host country can't deliver- were there favourites as a plan B. With the money that Russia and Qatar have this will be unlikely.
    English fans will go wherever the world cup is to be hosted as long as they qualify and FIFA know this. Why don't UEFA just get behind one European bid and stop wasting everyones time and money. England and the premiere league can have a huge amount of influence on UEFA with all the money thats in our game rather than FIFA who are clearly not bothered.
    How many times do we have to bid to get a world cup FIFA?

  • Comment number 84.

    I sit on the executive committee and can assure you the English bid was faultless. The problem is the culture unfortunately. Better luck next time.

  • Comment number 85.

    I would like to hear the reasoning behind each vote for Qatar, over a country like Austrailia who has come so far in such a short time in the world of football. Surely a Country like Austrailia cannot be ousted by Q! I just can't reason why? What more can a Country do? Maybe we'll see a WC in Zimbabwe soon, Bob(Mugabe) can print as much money as FIFA want or need. Would like to see that bid?

  • Comment number 86.

    An extraordinary number of posts excluded here. I had one excluded yesterday on another 'blog', but on this topic supposedly because it was 'defamatory'. I'm pretty sure it wasnt....it just seems that the BBC , or at least whoever moderates their on line stuff, is paranoid about anything which suggests that everything about the bidding/selection process was not 'squeaky clean'. When you think of the Panorama programme that really is extraordinary in itself.

    However, lets just say this..the decision to award 2018 to Russia can be justified though the speed /ease with which they won must raise eyebrows given all the technical criticisms of the bid. However, the decision to award 2022 to Qatar is absurd , indeed absurd to a degree which raises the most serious doubts/concerns about FIFA..and, indeed raises questions about the credibility of the World Cup as a competition. It is seriously proposed to hold a major sporting event in summer in a counrty where day time temperatures at that time of year regularly top 50c and which totally lacks a true football culture or pedigree. No amount of blathering about air conditioned stadia and evening games can disguiise that fact

  • Comment number 87.

    @ NonEnglish

    Your comments are disgusting, very few teams have won the greatest tournament on earth. We are the home of football and have the best stadia, the most passionate fans, the best players here etc.

    In other words...which part of Scotland are you from?

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  • Comment number 89.

    You English people are funny lots. When something favours you, your press hails and when it does not, you condemn and even try to destroy.

    Foe me, I believe that no single Country should hold football in the jugular, Russia and Qatar are also qualified to have the football festival tasted by their citizens.

    Qatar to me presented the most ambitious plan of all. To dismantle the stadia and ship to poor nations really betters the England plan where your clubs are already fighting to have each of the stadia.

  • Comment number 90.

    I thought of the option to withdraw from FIFA as a response but then thought about it a little more.

    If England withdraw from FIFA then not only would then be unable to feature in international football matches but I would imagine the clubs would be unable to feature in FIFA competitions such as the Champions League and Europa League. That in turn would probably see an exodus of players from the Premier League (possibly the Football League also). Would the Premier League still sell to television audiences?

    FIFA does pretty much control world football. The only way that we can all hope for change is to have a host of football associations join England in a revolt. Is that really going to happen? I'd be surprised to be honest.

    England could be at risk of isolating themselves, which may be just fine with real passion and attendances based on fan loyalty to the clubs not the FA or England per say.

    Would boycotting the events damage FIFA? Well, it is possible but with so many football fans around the world willing to pay up and go I suspect that tickets would be sold regardless, it would though still be a strong statement of intent.

  • Comment number 91.

    does anybody remember euro 96?..the spain england game? booing the spanish national anthem. newspapers going on about the spanish armada 400 years before, insulting the spanish nation..yes I remember it well.also we can have the 10th busiest airport in the world closed for 2 days because of a snowflake...theres a few reasons why we didnt get the world cup..I could mention about 100 more.

  • Comment number 92.

    How much exactly did that bid cost to put together?

    Maybe next time we should do it the easy way and divide the cost 24 ways

  • Comment number 93.

    How can people claim that no one likes the English?

    In the last ten years over a million people have insisted on coming to live amongst us. Surely they must be happy with their welcome?

  • Comment number 94.

    When can we look forward to The FA announcing that England will withdraw from the next batch of WC Qualifiers then, if there nose is so out of joint by the decision to award it elsewhere?

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  • Comment number 96.

    If Russia had a decent bid I think I could live with the philosophy of promoting football in new territory, but their bid was rubbish.

    As for Qatar, that is just an appalling choice that undermines any credibility that FIFA had left on this issue.

    You have to have a balance - yes, promote football, but also reward those that follow it properly with a passion.

  • Comment number 97.

    @87 THE BEST PLAYERS ARE IN ENGLAND? TELL THAT TO THE GERMAN SIDE THAT BEAT US 4-1 IN SOUTH AFRICA.

  • Comment number 98.

    For all those complaining that 'no one likes England' etc and so we didn't have a chance - how come we got the Olympics in 2012, then?

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