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Liverpool cup win also personal triumph for Dalglish

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Chris Bevan | 08:09 UK time, Monday, 27 February 2012

Wembley

Speaking in the bowels of Wembley Stadium in the aftermath of Liverpool's thrilling Carling Cup victory over Cardiff City, Reds boss Kenny Dalglish spelt out how the club's first trophy in six years was important to "an awful lot of people".

And he put it down to "the work of everyone, not just me".

What Dalglish did not elaborate on was exactly what it meant to him personally. For that, we will have to remember his reaction to Anthony Gerrard's missed penalty that settled a topsy-turvy shoot-out at the end of an extraordinary game.

Dalglish was clearly visibly moved as he celebrated his first trophy in English football since he won the 1995 Premier League title with Blackburn.

Kenny Dalglish with the Carling Cup

Kenny Dalglish has Liverpool winning trophies again - but he knows his team must be deadlier in front of goal. Photo: Getty

But when quizzed about his reaction afterwards he typically preferred to play things down - or at least tried to. "I might have been emotional but you need to go to Specsavers," he said. "There wasn't a tear in my eye."

To most observers it appeared otherwise, and you could understand it too.
Already a Liverpool legend after a glittering first spell with the club as player then manager, Dalglish has been back in charge at the club he loves for less than 14 months.

He now has silverware to show for it in his first full season since returning, to add to the six major trophies he collected in his first stint as Anfield boss between 1985 and 1991.

Beating Cardiff also means Dalglish joins Joe Mercer, Bill Nicholson, Don Revie, Sir Alex Ferguson, George Graham and Jose Mourinho as the only managers to have won the full set of English league title, FA Cup and League Cup titles. No mean feat.

But his only acknowledgement of the short time he has taken to put a smile back on the faces of Liverpool fans came when he was praising his players.

One of his summer signings, Stewart Downing, was voted man of the match at Wembley and Dalglish said with a grin: "I think people were spoilt for choice. The most important thing is that we have won the game and we don't need to sit and go through every individual performance. But seven players have come in this season and for them to walk away with a trophy means they can be very proud of their achievement."

So too can Dalglish, although his team remains a work in progress - the 42 shots they had on Cardiff's goal on Sunday summed up a season of frustration and failure to convert chances that has undermined their hopes of a title challenge.

They have too often stuttered rather than strutted their stuff like the Liverpool of old, but Dalglish has still underlined how he sees this cup win as the start of a period of sustained success rather than a one-off triumph.

Is that justified? It certainly worked for Liverpool in 2001, when they followed another hard-earned shoot-out win over a second-tier side in the League Cup final - on that occasion Birmingham City - by winning the FA Cup and Uefa Cup in the same season.

And on top of that treble, it is often forgotten that beating the Blues provided the catalyst for another achievement too - qualification for the Champions League for the first time. Liverpool would only miss out on it once in the next nine seasons but they have not taken part since 2009-10.

In a season that will now be remembered for silverware as well as the Luis Suarez saga - and still holds hope of more glory in the FA Cup - you sense that Dalglish would rather secure a Champions League spot than repeat their Wembley triumph in May.

It will be easier said than done though. Because of the lack of a cutting edge in front of goal, a top-four finish this time around will be a big ask - the Reds are currently seven points behind fourth-placed Arsenal, albeit with a game in hand.

But, if there is more to come, Dalglish knows Liverpool's best hope of managing it is by sharing Sunday's glory, even if he could bask in it on his own if he so wished.

"Although we have won something today, that is not us finished," were Dalglish's most telling words in his post-match press conference. He could easily have been speaking in the singular, but that would undermine the team effort he is trying to promote.

"We don't want to stop here, we want to keep going," he added. "And our best chance we have of doing that is to continue to do what we do best, which is to stick together."

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  • Comment number 1.

    100 million well spent :-O

  • Comment number 2.

    Andy Carroll almost found his level against a Championship team and then got substituted.

    Liverpool won't get near any league title anytime soon.

    Hard luck on Cardiff

  • Comment number 3.

    Still a mid-table club with a superiority complex. Dalglish won't change that.

  • Comment number 4.

    I think this is a fair blog. Cant believe any of us Liverpool fans are getting carried away with this one piece of silverware, great tho it is to win one. Ask Man utd, Chelsea or Arsenal however how theyre going to feel at the end of the season without anything? (though Chelsea are still in FAC-just).

    I also dont think any of us believe this is the finished article for LFC or a team good enough to challenge for a top 4 place-we're not and to be honest Id be surprised if we made 5th or 6th. This team and squad is a work in progress but to be picking up trophies with it is not bad, not bad at all. Yes it wasnt a great performance and to be honest we were lucky they were worse from 12 yrds than we were but on the balance of play we deserved it-hardly a stunning acolade against a championship side!

    We need to step up to the next level next season now with some quality buys in the summer-there is no way that the likes of Downing, Henderson, Carroll and Adam are top 4 place players-there is no team in the top 4 who would have them in their first team. We desperately need a striker and some creativity in MF-since his comeback from injury Gerrard has once again looked a different class from his team mates incl Suarez. There is no doubt Suarez has been an exciting buy but he def isnt a goalscorer, or, if he was he left his scoring boots in Holland. The racism case was a massive blow for this club both for what it represented and how the club handled it. He may go in the summer.

    We need the sort of players we had here 3 years ago-Mascherano, Alonso and Torres-all at their peak but you cut yr cloth as they say and with no champions Lge we just arent going to attract those sort of players. Id love us to get 4th spot but I believe it would need a miracle and a capitulation by Chelsea/Arsenal on a graphic scale. It could happen but then the other side of the equation needs us to be beating teams and scoring. Can it happen? The odds are against us.

  • Comment number 5.

    "I think people were spoilt for choice. The most important thing is that we have won the game and we don't need to sit and go through every individual performance.."
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    Yes they were: woroking out which of his buys are the worst!

  • Comment number 6.

    Onwards and upwards for Liverpool now. This is the start of a procession of trophies for them now.

    After all with amazing signings like Downing, Adam, Carroll and Henderson success is almost a formality.

    Let me just make sure i've switched my sarcasm-ometer off.

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  • Comment number 10.

    4.
    At 10:50 27th Feb 2012, Redfootball wrote:

    Ask Man utd, Chelsea or Arsenal however how theyre going to feel at the end of the season without anything?
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    And most will reply that a top-4 spot is preferable to the Carling Cup.

    I doubt last year's Carling Cup winners look back on it as a springboard to sustained success. Why should it be any different with you lot?

  • Comment number 11.

    'And most will reply that a top-4 spot is preferable to the Carling Cup.'

    Would that be because they don;t know what a false dichotomy is?

    'I doubt last year's Carling Cup winners look back on it as a springboard to sustained success. Why should it be any different with you lot?'

    I'm pretty sure that Birmingham were in a markedly different situation to us.

  • Comment number 12.

    I enjoyed the game, a good advert for championship football.

  • Comment number 13.

    Congratulations to Liverpool yesterday, first trophy for a while so you can see why the scousers will celebrate. That said, if they finish outside the top 4 it's still another poor season and they're still nowhere near good to challenge for the title, despite spending over £100 million.

  • Comment number 14.

    What a result! Kenny gave a massive sigh of relief when that last penalty was missed, imagine what the headlines would have been if Cardiff had prevailed?

    Not a convincing performance by Liverpool by any means, but a 'wins a win' and after the last few weeks, Kenny needed something, otherwise he could have been looking for the last train out of Lime Street!

    Credit must go to Cardiff, all week they had been treated like 'lambs to the slaughter', but they performed above their pay grade and took the glory; even if Liverpool took the trophy!

  • Comment number 15.

    Wow.

    LFC looked better once carroll and henderson were taken off!

    LFC play ok against brighton and cardiff and suddenly they are held in the esteem of multiple world cup winners!

    They are still very much a work in progress. Replacements are needed for adam, carroll, hendo and downing!

    Gerrard has very little impact in games to what he used to have.

    Liverpool are 7th and just 4 points better off after 25 league games. If they've improved sufficiently since spending £110mil on 7 players, then I think Homer Simpson should be president of Iran!

  • Comment number 16.

    Well that was a tense match! well done to both teams and in the lottery that is penalties I'm glad Liverpool lucked out (other teams win games on luck week-in week-out so i have no qualms on celebrating a fortunate win) , a few brief points I would like to make:

    Firstly, we really need to address the lack of urgency from Adam, i know he is being deployed as a holding midfielder but as a player heralded as a gifted passer he made (and makes) too few decisive passes. he doesn't have any pace and his challenges are suspect and usually late!

    Secondly, if Henderson is being groomed for a central midfield birth by being placed on the wing it isn't working. i have been much more impressed by shelvey thus far this season.

    lastly, and i was screaming this along with a lot of other LFC fans yesterday, we need to flood the oppositions box, how many shots came from outside the area yesterday?! get men in box! play the ball around the feet, more confusion, closer range, more bodies and more goals! (3 own goals from Brighton is testament to this).

    I am no football manager but surely this is common footballing sense?!

  • Comment number 17.

    Magnificent achievement for Dalglish and the players.

    The club has been turned around in the last year thanks to the new owners.

    The future is bright for Liverpool and they can face the rest of this season with confidence.

    Next season they will go on to bigger and better things and challenge for the title.

    I have no doubt the years ahead will be littered with silverware at Liverpool.

  • Comment number 18.

    one off.

    that's the answer to the question...

  • Comment number 19.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 20.

    @Adam

    Maybe most won't. Doesn't alter the fact that United and probably one of Arsenal and Chelsea are going to finish in the Top 4. And - most likely - you won't. That finish will bring more TV revenue and an increased likelihood of signing top-quality players from the continent. Sounds preferable to a third-rate trophy to me.

    As for the 'markedly different situation' ... I dunno ... Oversized, Championship-standard centre-forward ... uninspiring Glasweigan manager ... boring football. All sounds pretty familiar to me.

  • Comment number 21.

    #11
    Birmingham were in a different situation but this is Liverpool we're talking about, 'First is first, second is nowhere' etc. Whilst winning a trophy will please the fans, they're more than likely going to have to sit back and watch others play at the top table in the Champions League next season whilst they take a back seat in the Europa League. Surely finishing 6th or 7th and winning what's become a largely reserve cup is not good enough for Liverpool, should that happen?

  • Comment number 22.

    Well, the haters are out in force today aren't they?

    I don't see any Citeh fans hating, just the also-rans in the league. Marvellous.

    We give you 6 years to catch up on our overall trophy haul, yet we're still there, at the top.

  • Comment number 23.

    As a Liverpool fan I am obviously very pleased with the cup win yesterday, however, massive praise has to go to Cardiff for the way they played and the way they defended. I think the fact that Liverpool had 42 shots on goal but only scored twice sums up our season!! Defensivley I think we are sound we have a settled back four with good back up when someone is injured or suspended.

    The problem lies as an attacking force where it just isn't clicking yet. Hopefully with Gerrard, Suarez and Carroll getting more minutes on the pitch with each other they will start to gel. Suarez isn't like a Owen or Torres who plays on the last man and this is something that Liverpool have had over the last number of years.

    I think most realistic Liverpool fans will agree that the current squad isn't good enough to finish in the top four and like a couple of the other contributors have said I think a 6th place finish is the most realistic, however, with a couple of good summer signings I think next season we can challenge for a top four place.

    It amazes me how some fans of other clubs like to have a pop for celebrating the Carling cup victory as I'm sure they would be celebrating if it was there club winning on Sunday.

  • Comment number 24.

    "Credit must go to Cardiff, all week they had been treated like 'lambs to the slaughter', but they performed above their pay grade and took the glory"

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    I don't think Cardiff did play above their pay grade. Simple fact is that Liverpool are no better than Cardiff

  • Comment number 25.

    Well done Dalglish and Liverpool on picking up the trophy. No doubt a bit closer than they would have hoped but they all count. If they can pick up their league form and follow this up with the FA Cup it could be a great year for them. Quite sad that there's yet more evidence of people saying that money is more important than picking up a trophy!

  • Comment number 26.

    Very good performance from Downing. Skrtel and Agger dealt with Gestede with ease.

    Apart from that, very disjointed and sloppy attacking play from Liverpool for most of the game, despite the space afforded to them by Cardiff who went with two strikers. Generally, without Bellamy, they lack real potency, cohesiveness and urgency in their play.

    A 'win is a win', especially in a Cup final. Its up to them now to use it as a springboard, if possible, for the remainder of the season.

    Cardiff backline did really well. A pity that their midfield didn't do a great job in easing the pressure on the defence by retaining the ball more (which they are capable of, especially when McPhail is around), especially as Liverpool weren't playing with a genuine defensive midfielder to stop them. With the benefit of hindsight, I don't think going with two strikers was the right move, both defensively and in terms of possession. Don't know the full story with McPhail's health problems but they could have done with him in the middle.

  • Comment number 27.

    23.
    At 11:19 27th Feb 2012, DJM9 wrote:

    It amazes me how some fans of other clubs like to have a pop for celebrating the Carling cup victory as I'm sure they would be celebrating if it was there club winning on Sunday.

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    Just youtube the 2009 celebrations of a certain team to see what it meant to the players and the fans, wasn't so mickey mouse then was it. Hypocrites

  • Comment number 28.

    A trophy is a trophy and all those 'fans' who seek to denigrate the success in the competition are either looking through green eyes or know nothing about the players they support all of whom are in the game for success. If they think that 'success' is finishing 4th to ultimately struggle in the Champions League group stages then fine, enjoy it and have fun dusting empty shelves in the trophy room and see how long your star players stick around.

    What yesterday's game does show however is that sadly Andy Carroll is a disgrace to the famous number 9 shirt of Liverpool. He showed not one single spark of a striker, always behind the ball, too static and never attacked the six yard area. With his lack of pace and movement, the players around him struggle as he is either in the way or absent from a passing move. Henderson has a loooong way to go and is about the most anonymous player in the EPL, Downing was good and possibly shaved MOM vote and Skrtel immense. This Liverpool side has the backbone of a good one but there are a few fringe players who need their P45s in the Summer

    Finally, I think you will find the only people who are 'talking up' Liverpool are those who only want to knock them down. This trophy but a small step, the 'haters' just show how worried they are that their lofty position might just be challenged sometime soon!

  • Comment number 29.

    @22

    Totally agree - all the bile and bitterness is coming form United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs fans, and that's because they are all going to finish the season without a trophy.

    And let's just look at Chelsea and Arsenal - both clubs booing their own team and manager. Spurs always boo their own team with things are less than perfect.

    Also murmurrings of discontent at United with Thursday night football.

    At Anfield? Yup - we're celebrating baby :o)

  • Comment number 30.

    22.
    At 11:17 27th Feb 2012, whatwillbewillbe wrote:

    I don't see any Citeh fans hating, just the also-rans in the league. Marvellous.

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    If being two points off the leaders with 12 games remaining makes us 'also-rans' in the league, what does that make you lot?

  • Comment number 31.

    Yes,Liverpool found it hard to win the cup against a brave but lower team but they did their homework to get to the final,let's not forget.A cup win lifts the spirits and gives confidence but that is all.LFC had time in their hands this season (no Europe) while in the past they were too much involved in the CL and they did not do well in the cups.There is still a long way and probably different level of players have to come in.And an academic question:Liverpool missed the 2010 Uefa cup final spot only just.What would have been the situation if it would have been otherwise?

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  • Comment number 33.

    I still think liverpool can get a top 4 finish but they need to start scoring alot more goals. gotta feel for cardiff and credit them for making it a great final. I can't see this being the catalyst for kennys team to win more trophies but it's a step in the right direction.

  • Comment number 34.

    29.
    At 11:23 27th Feb 2012, dogeared wrote:

    Also murmurrings of discontent at United with Thursday night football.

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    What 'murmurings of discontent'? Going out of the CL was a blow at the time but I think you'll find most United fans are quite enjoying our little run in Europe's second competition. 68,000 in OT last Thursday.

  • Comment number 35.

    It's appropriate that what has become a Mickey Mouse club with a Mickey Mouse manager wins the Mickey Mouse Cup.

    Excellent game though.........a real advert for the Championship, although Carroll still looked out of his depth.

  • Comment number 36.

    It amazes me how some fans of other clubs like to have a pop for celebrating the Carling cup victory as I'm sure they would be celebrating if it was there club winning on Sunday.

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    No ones having a pop, a win's a win and every fan would celebrate. I would hope though that my team wouldn't use the Carling Cup (a tournament for largely reserve players) as the be all and end all of a season. For the money spent and the size and history of the club, winning the Carling Cup but finishing 6th would be a poor season for Liverpool.

    Winning a trophy is good of course, there aren't many to go round but it is the least cared about one hence the largely reserve selections from the majority of teams. If Liverpool could swap it for a place in the Champions League, I dare say they would.

  • Comment number 37.

    Seems to be an awful lot of Manure fans commenting on this. What, more interested in us than your own club???? YNWA

  • Comment number 38.

    I guess it doesn't matter how you win a competition - it's the winning that counts, so congratulations to Liverpool and their long-suffering fans. Naturally they enjoyed the bulk of the possession and did most of the attacking .... but .... all this talk of a future avalanche of trophies .... per-lease! In spite of their domination L'pool again found it hard to hit the back of the net; Kuyt's winner relied on a fortuitous sequence of events; there wouldn't have been extra time had Miller not skied his late sitter, and they can consider themselves extremely fortunate to win a penalty shoot-out having fluffed their first 2 kicks. Yes, their name is on the trophy .... enjoy ..... but they scraped past a Championship team (who did themselves proud by the way) and are where they deserve to be in the Premiership, and I saw nothing yesterday to suggest any change soon

  • Comment number 39.

    lfc are the most successful league cup winners ever.

    When Utd win it, it's definitely Mickey Mouse.

    When LFC win it, their fans come out with Mickey Mouse defensive comments when nobody has even said to them it's a Mickey Mouse cup.

    It does however, gloss over the massive gaping crevasse in their 'alleged' improvement!

  • Comment number 40.

    I think LFC could win this trophy for years to come as the big boys don't really prioritise it.
    By the way, why the Sun protest yesterday? Are we expected to take moral lectures from people who booed someone just for reporting racial harrassment?

  • Comment number 41.

    we all follow utd
    @21
    Whilst winning a trophy will please the fans, they're more than likely going to have to sit back and watch others play at the top table in the Champions League next season whilst they take a back seat in the Europa League.
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    Do i have to remind you Utd are in the Europa League. The one reason for that is they were not good enough to be competetive in Champions League.


    I am not a Liverpool supporter.

    A premiership team wins a domestic trophy, one of only three that a club can win in England, where every team competes for it and people still deride the achievement.

    As for finishing fourth in the premiership, is that really success for any club. Ok people will say the route into Champions League but unless the club can be competetive in the competition it means zero.

    Champions League will get a club extra spending money. Utd earnt that this season but exiting at the group stage when the conditions are there to almost gaurantee qualification does not say much for the club.

  • Comment number 42.

    @40

    maybe they were booing someone who changed their story more times Ryan did the dirty on his brother

  • Comment number 43.

    Putting the Carling Cup into perspective:

    1. Champions League
    2. Premier league
    3. Finishing in top 4 of Premier League
    4. World Club Championship
    5. FA Cup
    6. UEFA Cup
    7. European Super Cup
    8. Carling Cup
    9. Charity Shield

    While not that important if you make it to the final you want to win so congrats to LFC on winning the 8th most important trophy of the season. A few may disagree with my priorities and I can understand why some would switch 1&2 around. Personally we're going for no. 2 & 6 on the list with 3 the back up option but in all honestly if we went out of UEFA Cup I wouldn't be that bothered unless we lost in the final. If we failed to at least achieve no. 3 I'd be devestated because it is the very least requirement if you want to be considered a big club.

  • Comment number 44.

    41.
    At 11:38 27th Feb 2012, Londoner in exile returns wrote:

    Ok people will say the route into Champions League but unless the club can be competetive in the competition it means zero.
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    What absolute twaddle. I suppose you think this season that the competition's been completely meaningless for every club bar Madrid and Barca?

    As I pointed out earlier, it brings in TV money, prize/progression money, and massively increases your chances of signing decent players. How you come to the conclusion that that 'means zero' is beyond comprehension.

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  • Comment number 46.

    #40 Stuart, round of applause, great observation.

  • Comment number 47.

    If the Carling cup is a second rate competition what is the Europa league United fans?

    English dominance in Europe is waning (for the time being) which means that domestic competition will become more important, its not our fault Dalglish realised that first.

    i am the fist to admit there are some players in our squad that pretty terrible atm, but LFC is in the middle of a massive overhaul and yet we have still won a trophy! united tried to do their own revamp yet look who they rely on when Norwich ran them ragged!

    Rival fans that claim they wouldn't celebrate a Carling Cup need to think about what their own team will win this season...

  • Comment number 48.

    @2&5 - what a bitter little person you are. If your team had taken the cup seriously and got to the final I'm sure you wouldn't complain. Don't forget we beat Chelsea and City on route to Wembley

  • Comment number 49.

    Amuses me the Mancs point out we struggled to beat Cardiff, yet they lost to Crystal Palace at Home, the team Cardiff beat in the Semi final! Our summer signings were fine! Much better than Ashley Young for a start!

  • Comment number 50.

    4.At 10:50 27th Feb 2012, Redfootball wrote:
    I think this is a fair blog. Cant believe any of us Liverpool fans are getting carried away with this one piece of silverware, great tho it is to win one. Ask Man utd, Chelsea or Arsenal however how theyre going to feel at the end of the season without anything? (though Chelsea are still in FAC-just).

    We desperately need a striker and some creativity in MF-since his comeback from injury Gerrard has once again looked a different class from his team mates incl Suarez


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    two things,

    1.) united can still win the premier league, 2 points behind and they still have to play chelsea and arsenal, oh and united.

    2.) please explain how gerrard has been 'different class'. Hes been average (like the last 2+ years) and was average yesterday with another performance filled with poor hollywood passing and a sense of invisibility about him.

  • Comment number 51.

    @36

    First of all of course we'd rather win the champions league but as I said at the minute we aren't even good enough to qualify for that and possibly won't be for another couple of seasons.

    I don't think any realistic Liverpool fan is using the Carling cup as the be all and end all of the season hopefully the fact that the players have tasted victory in a Wembley final it might spur them on and give them that extra confidence needed for the rest of the season as we are still in the FA cup and are an outside bet for 4th place.

    Secondly you referred to the Carling cup as a tournament largely for reserve players. If you look at the teams Stoke, Chelsea & Man City put out against us they were hardly reserve teams.

    All I suggested initially was that I find it hypocritical that some fans call the Carling cup Mickey Mouse yet if their team was winning on penalties then they would be celebrating.

  • Comment number 52.

    Racemanracer, you suggest that Liverpool are only a championship standard team. In the absence of any rational explanation for this claim I presume you base it on the fact that yesterday they scraped an unconvincing win against a championshiip team.

    No Crystal Palace fan over the age of 5 applied this same logic to reach the conclusion that Palace are a better team than Man United. You are of course, very welcome to hold any opinion you wish on the subject no matter how flawed your logic. However I would suggest that you carefully consider before posting such irrational conclusions on a public forum as you only make yourself appear either very young or......

    If you can provide evidence to support your opinion eg Liverpool's inability to compete against premiership teams I stand to be corrected

  • Comment number 53.

    #47

    The Carling Cup is a 8th rated competition. Europa League/Uefa Cup is a 6th rated competition. A European Mickey Mouse cup if you like.....

  • Comment number 54.

    @45

    read the report....the biggest fairy tale of all

    5 times, 10 times, bad word, very bad word....which was it? they all came out of his mouth.

    anyway, this derails the discussion.

    Major honours for LFC - 41

    Not bad for a club in decline.

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  • Comment number 56.

    Both teams played their part in a good match yesterday. Pity the t.v. camera work didn't match it. How many times were we looking at a replay or close up of someones head while the game was underway. Too much technical equipment now, gone backwards 5 years in coverage of games.

  • Comment number 57.

    Londoner in exile returns wrote:
    we all follow utd
    @21
    Whilst winning a trophy will please the fans, they're more than likely going to have to sit back and watch others play at the top table in the Champions League next season whilst they take a back seat in the Europa League.
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    Do i have to remind you Utd are in the Europa League.

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    No You Don't!

    The 2nd occasion in 2 decades

    LFC didn't even qualify for Europa, let alone get demoted into it

    Their fans try to claim that defeats to spurs and villa last season were the direct result of the club not wanting to be in Europa - it looks like they'll be in it next year! Is this a change to last years master plan?

  • Comment number 58.

    @40 - Your boys took it seriously enough..doh

  • Comment number 59.

    #41
    No, but then the reaction to going into the Europa League was more of being 'punished' than getting a second chance. Whilst we'll give it a go now we're in it, it's not where big clubs want to be and we won't be there again next season.

    When the Champions League rolls around next season though and England's elite are playing in it, I doubt Liverpool fans will console themselves with watching re-runs of them drawing with Cardiff. And I doubt their owners will take kindly to the millions of £'s they're missing out on.

    Like you've said and i've said, winning a trophy is always good. But whichever way it's looked at and whoever wins it, it is only the Carling Cup. Rightly or wrongly, most clubs simpy could not care less about winning it and getting top 4, staying in the Premier League or getting promoted will always be preferable than winning it.

  • Comment number 60.

    @55 - Reserves?? Haha of course City had the reserves out treacle, keep spouting rubbish as it's making you look great

  • Comment number 61.

    #54

    LFC - One major honour in 6 years

    MUFC - NINE major honours in 6 years, and we're accused of being in decline!? (((shakes head)))

  • Comment number 62.

    No hard grapes then ? It may only be the Carling cup but after beating Chelsea & Man City on the way Liverpool deserved their chance & took it in the end.Yes it wasnt vintage Liverpool & yes there is still work to be done, but how many years did it take Sir Alex to turn Utd around ? City,Utd & Chelsea have all spent big in the past & none of them are unbeatable now, as Ajax proved last week, so well done the Reds & Kenny lets keep it going !!

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  • Comment number 64.

    When is Kenny Dalglish going to realise that he made a mistake signing Andy Carroll and replace him with someone who has the ability to score goals and make Liverpool a serious Premier League winning team?

  • Comment number 65.

    So, out come the haters because Liverpool won a 'Mickey Mouse Cup'...aside from disrespecting Cardiff who showed if they get promotion will probably make a decent premiership team...who knocked out Fergies' boys?...erm...some championship side...when Utd were all bigging up how they were going to win CL...the Europa Cup was another 'Mickey Mouse Cup'...erm...

    As it sits at the moment, with the squad we have, unless certain players stand up and be counted, no, we won't make 4th place...not this term anyway, but, as they say...'Wasn't built in a day'...or something like that

    Mr. Dalglish knows what he's doing...the board have given him time, and he'll use it wisely.

    So, to all the haters...we won something...is your team going to win anything?

    Thanks and respects to Cardiff...you made it a proper game, and a proper cup final

  • Comment number 66.

    49.
    At 11:46 27th Feb 2012, martinus34 wrote:

    Our summer signings were fine! Much better than Ashley Young for a start!

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    Teehee. Stewart '0 goals and 0 assists in the league' Downing has been better than Ashley Young?

    What merry japes.

  • Comment number 67.

    At least Cardiff got to the final which is more to be said for some premiership teams. The 2 Cardiff centre backs played out of their skin yesterday which showed as Downing was MOM but the the CB didn't let Suarez or Carroll have much time for the shot.
    It's a cup and it's a start and at least our season isn't over yet. We are still in the FA cup and top 4 is a real possibility taking into account we have no hard games left to play.

  • Comment number 68.

    racemanracer, how many times are you going to comment on a blog article about Liverpool? Could be chatting about your own team on a Manchester United forum but nope, more concerned with Liverpool. The concern is noted, it really is, but you should be more concerned with your geriatric team and manager and that you have to put up with the noisy (and rich) neighbours - neighbours of course by ground location, not supporters.

  • Comment number 69.

    It's sad that people need to score points in this way. It was a tough final sure, but I seem to remember LFC knocking out one or two big teams on the way.

    If you can't be gracious that's a shame for you.

  • Comment number 70.

    Mr. Dalglish knows what he's doing...the board have given him time, and he'll use it wisely.

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    Henderson, Downing and Carroll wisely?

  • Comment number 71.

    64.
    At 12:00 27th Feb 2012, Harada wrote:
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    I think Liverpool should always start Kuyt as a striker, at least until the end of the season.

  • Comment number 72.

    47. At 11:45 27th Feb 2012, Hau5fly wrote:
    If the Carling cup is a second rate competition what is the Europa league United fans?

    English dominance in Europe is waning (for the time being) which means that domestic competition will become more important, its not our fault Dalglish realised that first.

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    He realised that domestic cup competitions (lfc never had a shot at the title) is more important in the season's LFC aren't in europe

    I must admit that I have underrated him. Displaying such foresight shows he's not just another has been manager who was in management wilderness for a decade. It leads me to believe that most of his signings have been RUBBISH with an ulterior motive that may never be revealed

  • Comment number 73.

    Downing is a better player than Young and will prove to be a better signing. Ask Villa fans who they miss the most! Some players need time. Mancs claimed Lucas and Skrtel were poor both now have proved to be excellent signings.
    You lot spent over 50 mill in the summer and got one average player (Jones) and two poor players (Young and De Gea), who I might add is a particularly horrific signing.

  • Comment number 74.

    Anyway on a postive note this is actually a good result.

    The fact is if Kenny had finished the season empty handed he probably would have got the boot after his admitted bad handling of the whole Suarez situation. This way, LFC will in all likelyhood finish 6th, again spend big money in the summer but not on Grade A players since they aren't in th CL. More money will be wasted, stadium will not commence because they won't have the funds and the cycle of small club syndrome will continue. Kenny not suited to modern day management as you can see from his ramblings this season. The soap opara has just received a new chapter and will be written into oblivion aka Brookside.

    Calm down, calm down..... :-D

  • Comment number 75.

    @ We all follow United

    i said 'he will'...not that he had :)

  • Comment number 76.

    What Liverpool fans fail to understand is the take away the fact this was a "final" and all you have is another poor display against lower oppostion. To be match for 120 minutes by a 6th placed Championship side and only win thanks to a few mm of post is hardely the big a deal, It once again showed Liverpools poor attacking abilities, for all the praise Suarez get 6 league goals is not good enough and I wont even mention Carroll. As for the Mickey Mouse comments, Liverpool "fans" need to remember that it was them that 1st introduced the comment in 1977 when Everton made the final and Liverpool used the comment to belittle Everton's achievements, so I would keep quite and take if I was a Liverpool fan. But I doubt most of you were around in 1977 and supporting Liverpool.

  • Comment number 77.

    #48
    If any of my teams had taken the CC seriously I'd be wondering why they were playing in England!

    No doubt you deserved to beat both Chelsea and ManC but most neutrals might plump for the underdog in the final and you were very poor. The only one of his buys that had a deent game was Downing.

    Should Andy Carroll should be playing for a club like Liverpool? Woeful to watch.

  • Comment number 78.

    Accordingly to Arsene Wenger, 4th place is as good as a trophy. Let's be honest, it isn't. A trophy is what LFC won yesterday. Not the most important trophy, but a trophy all the same. What Arsenal will achieve at best this season is finishing 20 points off the leaders. Then, failing in next year's Champions League again.

    Only one team wins the Champions League so who cares whether you beat Madrid and go out, beat Inter and go out, beat Bayern and go out. If you don't win it, what was the achievement and glory in getting there?

    The only advantage of playing in the Champions League is money for the owners, which just goes into the players' pockets anyway. And if anyone says Champions League football attracts the best players, I'd like to point out that Cesc and Nasri LEFT Arsenal last summer. Van Persie will be gone this time around.

    Don't believe my theory? Take a look at the English clubs' records in the Champions League this season. If the best players were really attracted then Napoli wouldnt have humiliated Chelsea, Milan Arsenal and the two Manchester clubs fell at the first hurdle.

  • Comment number 79.

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  • Comment number 80.

    @martinus34

    Do you watch football?

    Are you aware that Kenny tried to weigh in at the last minute and outbid United for Jones, but it was too late?

    Have you seen some of the saves that De Gea has made in recent weeks? Reina could only dream of having such agility.

    Young started the season like a freight train then got unlucky with injury. He is now working his way back to his best. Allow me to repeat that Downing has ZERO league assists and ZERO league goals. In 1,749 minutes of league football. That is atrocious. How you can say he's better than Young is beyond me.

  • Comment number 81.

    "Only one team wins the Champions League so who cares whether you beat Madrid and go out, beat Inter and go out, beat Bayern and go out. If you don't win it, what was the achievement and glory in getting there?"
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    Yes and taking 120 minutes and penos to beat a 6th placed Championship team gives you plenty of glory. ¬____¬

  • Comment number 82.

    People or indeed teams that regard the League Cup as a "mickey mouse cup" are deluded.The chances of your team (unless your a top team) winning the F.A Cup are very slim.If i was a fan of any club who won the league cup id be elated. It might not be as prestigious as the F.A Cup, but it`s certainly worth something,and should never be regarded as a "mickey mouse cup" by anyone.

  • Comment number 83.

    @Rob04

    'If any of my teams had taken the CC seriously I'd be wondering why they were playing in England!'...how many do you support? If one team you 'support' plays badly, do you 'support' another team the following week? And what if the teams you 'support' meet...who do you 'support'?

  • Comment number 84.

    Thought Cardiff City's midfield passing game was better than opponent's and were more let down by lack of quality and self-belief of CF and Miller did not have his shooting boots on. Miller is not a support forword so Cardiff's lack of quality in that area showed. LFC was unlucky with some chances but overall, for the money spent they look like a resurgent team but not ready to challenge for title. It down to lack of midfield creativity (improved but still not fast enough and some how doesn't keep the ball well enough), probably need another young wide player if Bellamy can't start regularly.

    I would not have selected the CF and Miller as shooters (they did not look confident during the game having missed some chances, unlike midfield, defenders or even the keeper who had great game). Certainly would not have selected A. Gerrard. Looked liked his mind was clouded by the relationship aspect and not focused on the purpose for itself. After his bad clearance led to second goal, to put him as fifth shooter nevermind on the list, was flawed decision making by manager.

    Good to see Tom Heaton progressing in career and put in a good performance including a great penalty save.

    Overall think Cardiff City, the way they pass the ball and play would be a credit to the Premier League if they got promoted, which I hope they do. Teams like Swansea, Norwich City and QPR (when Faurlin was fit and minus Barton) have played some good midfield possession game, better than some established EPL teams and I can see Cardfiff City doing the same. As a Malaysian, I appreciated the team's performance as good advert to kit sponsor name and owners. Got to a showcase final and showed your stuff. Well done!

    LFC I think need to add a few more options and change style to challenge for title. They are closer now than a year ago though not convinced enough that the team has consistency in creating and taking chances and controlling the game.

  • Comment number 85.

    I think it's fair and correct to say that this trophy could be a springboard to a string of success for Liverpool not because this is the most impressive silverware they could have won this seasonl, but because it is a trophy won, a first step of his second journet on the silver brick road for Kenny Dalglish and it will engender a lot of confidence. Those likening it to Birmingham's win last season are being somewhate disingenuous, to be kind (idiotic, to be unkind) as the two teams are in vastly different situations. To Birmingham it was the height of their achievment in a season that saw them fighting relegation throughout, and it was probably their loftiest ambition. (As a Wolves fan, it wasn't easy seeing them lift the trophy even with their relegation impending). But for Liverpool, it is just the start, and they weill all as individuals and as a team have to dig deep to make sure of that, rather than accept it as a success. I find it quite amusing as a neutral to see how many Man U fans want to criticise. If Liverpool fans say"it's the start of something" Man U fans say they aren't goof enough to sustain it. If Liverpool fans say "it's an achievment" Man U fans ask if that's the best they can do. The fact of the matter is that all the teams in the League, through all its divisions, entered the competition, and Liverpool won it. For some teams it would be a major triumph (my own among them), for others a mere bauble (Man U, in their arrogance perhaps) and to others a worthwhile victory which could be the first of many (Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal would probably sit in this category). Everyone had the opportunity, Liverpool took it, so I congratulate them. I also congratulate Cardiff on playing the opponents and not the occasion, and in contributing to a thoroughly entertaining game of football. But please, as football fans, can't we appreciate and not hate, just for once?

  • Comment number 86.

    Racemanracer, So you're saying that Cardiff would be 7th in the Premiership if they were there?

    Liverpool have lost 6 games this season which is no worse than any other team outside the top 3. The closest thing to a championship team in the prem are the 3 teams that came up after last season. They are all below Liverpool having lost 9, 10 and 15 games. More flawed logic I'm afraid.

    As for Palace beating United's kids, there were a few kids playing that day. Did SAF mean to lose that game? Are these the much vaunted next generation of promising youngsters? What does your flawed logic tell you about United's future prospects ? Will united only be a mid-table championship team with these players? Sound ridiculous to me but seems to fit nicely with your paradigm.

  • Comment number 87.

    its not about you win a final, its winning it , and how you got there,
    stoke away, chelsea away, Man city(best team in the leauge) over two legs, which shows we as a club have the the historical knowledge to win big two leg games, very important in europe. which liverpool are back in again for certain now, which i add is the same competion Man U and Man city are in at the moment. :)
    Also liverpool are very high all the time, so that means are we capable of beating Barcelona, and trust me thats how liverpool are set up tactically to play. they will learn this style of football until it reaos rewards.
    I love Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd style of attacking flair, but I feel sorry for those fans at the same time, becuase you cant out flair Barcelona, as it keeps being proven every time those sides get taken to cleaners by them,
    So take a look around you, and see who is aiming and playing with a system that if the right players adapt to it, WILL WIN you the CHAMMPIONS LEAGUE, not just turn up and pretend to be great and get owned by Barcelona

  • Comment number 88.

    78 As a football fan, I love watching Champions League football and seeing my team in it, even if we don't win it. Do I feel as enthusiastic about Carling Cup? No. Don't get me wrong, I would definitely celebrate a League Cup final triumph. Football is a entertainment business and CL is top tier entertainment, regardless of chances of winning the damn thing.

  • Comment number 89.

    If a team, or that teams manager/board...whoever, chooses not to take a cup competition seriously...more fool them...denying their players a medal winning opportunity...their day out at Wembley...their 'Moment in the Spotlight'...yeah, cos nobody wants a 'Mickey Mouse Cup' in the trophy cabinet...do they?

  • Comment number 90.

    The comments here just show how many people wanted LFC to lose yesterday - they didn't want Cardiff to win, rather they wanted Liverpool to lose. Quite telling really.

    People also seem to have forgotten the teams Liverpool knocked out en route to the final (e.g. Chelsea and Man City) and the fact that they are still in the FA Cup.

    Most sensible Liverpool fans are NOT saying that this victory will be the "springboard" to them winning the league, the Champions League and everything else over the next season. They know that Liverpool played poorly yesterday and that Cardiff were unlucky. They also know that there is still a big gap between them and the top 2, so please don't start putting words in their mouths. Thank you.

  • Comment number 91.

    The only advantage of playing in the Champions League is money for the owners, which just goes into the players' pockets anyway. And if anyone says Champions League football attracts the best players, I'd like to point out that Cesc and Nasri LEFT Arsenal last summer. Van Persie will be gone this time around.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    It also means you're playing at the top table in European football, somewhere every club wants to be. Yes the money goes into players pockets, the new players the money allows you to sign. Cesc and Nasri did leave, to other clubs in the Champions League, and if RVP leaves it'll be to another team in the Champions League.

    Not being in the Champions League, and not really even threatening to be in the near future means a club can spend £100 million on, well Carroll, Henderson, Downing, Adam and Coates!

  • Comment number 92.

    Not sure why certain people keep commenting that 'Daglish paid £35m for Carroll'. Kenny selects the players but is in no way responsible for what's paid for players. The club paid big money for Carroll and Henderson because they are young and could be at the club for the next 10 years +.

  • Comment number 93.

    @Kanchelskis - Yes I am aware we tried signing Jones and on the evidence of what Ive seen so far I think we dodged a bullet especially since Agger and Skrtel combined cost less!
    Your seriously suggesting De Gea is better than Reina and your asking me if I watch football? Fergie will be in for a new number one this summer, mark my words.

    Downing has had a slow start but he will prove to be a great signing. Stats don't paint the whole picture! Ashley Young has never been more than average player.

  • Comment number 94.

    Can't remember Spurs, Man U and Birmingham fans acting like this whe they won it. Liverpool fans, any little sucess and they think the glory days are coming back.

  • Comment number 95.

    Mad Cow wrote:

    Only one team wins the Champions League so who cares whether you beat Madrid and go out, beat Inter and go out, beat Bayern and go out. If you don't win it, what was the achievement and glory in getting there?

    ** so I guess you only ever watch cup finals? You never ever watch games leading up to a final?

    I don't understand your logic that says qualifying for the CL isn't an achievement unless you win it!**


    The only advantage of playing in the Champions League is money for the owners

    ** and the prestige, global recognition, increased exposure for sponsors, attracting the better players, experience for the youngsters, fans get to see games (2nd time in history utd have played Ajax)...etc.....

    LIVERPOOL FANS ARE EITHER DELUDED OR IN DENIAL OR BOTH!

  • Comment number 96.

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  • Comment number 97.

    I was having a discussion with a “United” fan the other day who was arguing that United are England’s most successful club. He hadn’t been supporting them for too long but it was worthwhile giving him a little education into the fact that football did exist before 1992 and he was quite surprised by some of the information he was given.
    There is an old saying , “make hay while the sun shines”. In football, when you are on top, never is this more than fitting. Winning league championships, European cups, FA cups, league cups is imperative when you are looking to stack up your cabinet and put your dominance into perspective against your rivals achievements over that period. Manchester United have been living in the sun for the last two decades and whether you like it or not, they have managed to add trophies on a regular basis to claw back some of the ground they fell behind when Liverpool were dominant in the 70s and 80s. Some may argue that United have failed in one major aspect of the whole aim, namely failing to add the big one enough and 2 Champions leagues in Fergies 25 years is possibly testament to that.
    So, if the “make hay while the sun shines “adage is applied for when you are dominant, what happens when the sun has disappeared behind the cloud ? Liverpool’s cup win over Cardiff City yesterday was their 41st major trophy. Manchester United currently stand on 38. I am not counting European Super Cups, charity shields, world club championships in this for the obvious reason that they are just glorified friendlies and showpiece events to cement the games image around the respective countries, continents and world at large. I am talking major trophies where you go through the mill to win them, be it league championships, European trophies and domestic cups.
    When United won the European cup in 1968, they embarked on what I am describing as their period when the sun disappeared behind the clouds. They didn’t win another trophy until 1977 when they beat Liverpool in the FA cup final. They had been at the final the year before however they were beaten by Southampton. So 1977 was their first reason to celebrate since they won the European cup in 1968. They did win the 2nd division championship in 1975 however that had been preceeded by relegation the year before so hardly something to celebrate in actual fact ( though to be fair I imagine it was celebrated wildly elsewhere). United’s next foray into a final occurred in the FA cup final against Arsenal in 197

  • Comment number 98.

    OK it sounds like some of you are having trouble figuring this out, I'm looking at you 'cantona1968'...

    Winning something. is better. than winning nothing. I think that's as simple as i can make it.

    Of course for the more complex individual the whole scenario smacks of irony, United in a glut of bitterness set out to knock Liverpool of their perch, in doing so (which they have to a commendable extent) they have thus elevated themselves to a 'perch', and now everyone else wants to knock them off it united fans are having a little sulk.

    Football moves in cycles, united's time is turning to a close, it looks as though City will be the new big boys but heres hoping Liverpool can get a piece of the pie.

    yesterday was a good start.

  • Comment number 99.

    At 11:15 27th Feb 2012, dogeared wrote:
    1 - Magnificent achievement for Dalglish and the players.

    2 - The club has been turned around in the last year thanks to the new owners.

    3 - The future is bright for Liverpool and they can face the rest of this season with confidence.

    4 - Next season they will go on to bigger and better things and challenge for the title.

    5 - I have no doubt the years ahead will be littered with silverware at Liverpool.


    1 - You beat a championship side.
    2 - No it hasn't, you're still closer to relegation than the title points wise.
    3 - Really?
    4 - We hear that every year. How's that working out for you?
    5 - Littered with excuses you mean.

  • Comment number 100.

    Well done to Liverpool.

    People who are saying its Mickey Mouse are just a bit bitter. Yes it wouldn't be the first trophy I would choose but I was fuming when i paid £32 to go and watch my team in the Quarters put out an inexperienced team and disrespect Palace. Kudos to Kenny for realising its one of the trophies they had the best chance in and taking it seriously.

    People are getting carried away though. Things like "this will be the springboard we need to win the league". In harsh reality Liverpool, in terms of points, are currently nearer to getting relegated than winning the league this year. And I for one think kenny has spent quite poorly. Henderson has been dreadful, Carroll one dimensional and Adam didn't look any better than Whittingham yesterday.

    They need a goal scorer badly. Suarez creates but needs 5 chances to score 1 goal and the likes of Downing etc dont really chip in from midfield. I'd go far as to say Kuyt is liverpools best finisher and he struggles to start games.

 

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