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Ben Dirs | 08:01 UK time, Sunday, 19 February 2012

In Munich

There are lots of good people in British boxing, I promise you, although at the moment it might not seem that way. So people will ask me, having seen two British boxers brawling at a post-fight press conference in Munich, "what do you see in that sport?" And, for once, I worry I won't know what to say.

If our German hosts thought us Brits lacked class before the fight itself - Vitali Klitschko beat Dereck Chisora on points, by the way - then by the time they left the Olympiahalle they must have thought good old Blighty had embarked on some grand experiment in Darwinism in reverse.

David Haye(right) punches Dereck Chisora

Dereck Chisora (left) and David Haye came to blows in Munich's Olympiahalle. Photo: Reuters

"This behaviour is unacceptable," said Vitali's younger brother Wladimir, in whose face Chisora had spat water earlier that evening. "Saying you are going to shoot someone? This is embarrassing, disgusting. This is a criminal case."

I regret to report that Wladimir's ears had not deceived him and that dear old Dereck - quirky old 'Del Boy', with his penchant for antique phone boxes and parking meters - had indeed threatened to shoot David Haye.
Chisora's soaring rhetoric - repeated on at least four occasions - followed a five-minute melee which was accompanied by the sound of shattering glass and saw Haye launch at one of Chisora's entourage with a video camera tripod.

Throw in both trainers, two very large Ukrainian world champions lurking in the wings, unwitting journalists - some of them women - heavy television equipment, all in a fairly small room, and you can imagine the chaos. Chisora's weigh-in slap of Vitali suddenly seemed playful in comparison.

As to who started what, it is difficult to say. Certainly Haye's hackles were raised when the Klitschkos' manager, Bernd Boente, informed him - with some relish, I should say - that any hopes he had of fighting either Klitschko were doomed. But it was when Chisora joined in the Haye-baiting that it all went off.

Before the fight - by which I mean the actual one, Vitali v Chisora - rumours abounded that Klitschko's promoters were unhappy with Haye's presence in Munich, the former heavyweight world champion having been invited as a summariser by Frank Warren's fledgling television arm BoxNation.

In addition, Don Charles, Chisora's trainer, was angered by comments made by Haye's trainer Adam Booth, who told BBC Sport on Friday that he did not expect Charles' man to last into the middle rounds.

Throw in the madness of Chisora, which seemingly knows no bounds - he had publicly threatened to "slap" Haye on numerous previous occasions - and it was a case of tick-tock, tick-tock, take cover, bombs away.

As for Chisora's repeated accusation that Haye deliberately struck him with a bottle or a glass, that is one detail that may be impossible to verify. Unfortunately for Chisora, his shooting threat was seen and heard by hundreds. Many of them with cameras. And that means hundreds will translate to millions.

The real disappointment of this rather tawdry tale is that Chisora had gone a long way towards redeeming himself in the fight we had come to see. In fact, my headline was written: "Chisora all heart after all".

Chisora, with only 17 fights behind him, demonstrated tremendous bravery over 12 rounds against the vastly more experienced champion, although the judges were right to award the fight to 45-fight veteran Vitali by wide margins.

Indeed, you could say the 28-year-old Chisora had already won a personal battle of sorts with Haye, having given a better account of himself against Vitali than his rival did against Wladimir in Hamburg last July.

Chisora's promoter Warren was not over-egging it too much when he suggested his man had given Vitali his hardest fight since Lennox Lewis beat him way back in 2003, so wholehearted had been Chisora's display.

But one minute Charles is up on the dais telling the press how proud he is of his fighter, the next Chisora is trading blows with Haye. Having been so upset by Chisora's pre-fight behaviour, it is very likely Charles could walk away. If there is anything left to walk away from.

For Chisora can expect heavy sanctions, from a variety of boxing organisations and perhaps even the law.

As for Haye, he is in grave danger of being remembered for all the wrong reasons, and that would be a shame. Divorced from the nonsense, he is erudite and eloquent. He is also, lest we forget, a former two-weight world champion who, had he chosen to stay down there, had the potential to be one of the few genuinely great cruiserweights.

But how many will remember that stirring win against Jean-Marc Mormeck in Paris in 2007 when millions have heard you compare a fight to a "gang rape" - as he did before meeting Audley Harrison in 2010 - and seen you attack someone with a tripod on TV?

Before the fight proper some accused me of spouting sanctimonious claptrap regarding Chisora's weigh-in slap: "This is just how boxing is, hard men doing dangerous things, time you learned to live with it."

While there are those who imagine the boxing world to be a hive of villainy, that is not how boxing is. For, beneath the tips of treacherous, unpredictable icebergs, the mass of boxing is made up of sound, solid folk.

To love boxing is to love the edge, the danger, the shenanigans - what some might affectionately call "the nonsense". But what happened in Munich on Saturday went so far beyond "the nonsense" as to be almost indecipherable. Whether it actually was boxing or not is almost incidental. It can't be good for the sport.

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Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    I don't like boxing so you may curse me out for even being on this part of the website at all but they are both apocalyptic eegits. That is all.

  • Comment number 2.

    The fight was good, but the other behaviour has shamed us. The Kiltschkos show us how to behave.

    Very disappointing

  • Comment number 3.

    I just watched this on you tube and it was extremely embarrassing, the British boxers akin to a pair of brawling drunks on a Saturday night while the champion looked on amused at their antics. Idiots, I'm afraid. They will almost certainly be banned for some time, and rightly so.

  • Comment number 4.

    Boxing just hit a new low, ban them both.

    Revoke their licenses and don't give them what they both want, the limelight, the tv time, a fight with each other. If they burn or shoot each other, who cares!

    Good riddance to the two of them.

  • Comment number 5.

    i would love to see a Haye vs Chisora for the chance to face Vitali at the end of it, but i doubt Haye will agree to it, so thats a shame. Awful scenes last night that have tarnished British Boxing though, Chisora for all the heart he showed during the fight (the proper one) should and probably will have the book shown at him, firstly for starting the fight (it was him who approached Haye, not the other way around) but more so for his shooting and burning comments, totally uncalled for and i fear he might have meant them aswell.

  • Comment number 6.

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  • Comment number 7.

    An embarrassment to British Boxing, all of Frank Warren's doing.

  • Comment number 8.

    They're just trying to hype things up to ensure a big purse. Pathetic.

  • Comment number 9.

    Disgrace to the UK and boxing, leave it to the ring if they want to fight that bad or just leave the sport and grow up.

    Congratulations to Vitali for the win.

  • Comment number 10.

    got to say Hye V Chisora fills me with much more excitement then harrison V haye i bothered to go watch, would be the best britsh heavyweight fight for years!

  • Comment number 11.

    They should both be stripped of their licenses, total embarassment - the klitschko's are coming out of this with dignity, and they should move on and leave these two for dust!!!!

  • Comment number 12.

    That was an excellent blog, Ben: sober, rational and summarising the whole sad scene (especially when observed by a boxing fan, which I am) - well done!

  • Comment number 13.

    Is it just me or did Vitali look beatable last night?

  • Comment number 14.

    You couldn't make it up. Pure embarrassment from both of them.

    Also it turns out that Germans do have a sense of humour "how's your toe David?"

  • Comment number 15.

    why oh why are we being sucked in by this. it is all clearly stage managed. Sky have no interest and neither America = no box office = no money. The happy slapping between Chisora and Haye is a set up to generate interest. Both of them surrounded by security yet for 2 minutes they are allowed to go off. If you watch you can even see the officials laughing. Will more people watch? of course. 24hrs ago very few people new Chisora, today headline on all the back pages. Better news was seeing Eubank Jnr winning again, with class.

  • Comment number 16.

    I sincerely hope that the BBC never invite David Haye to any of their family orientated shows from henceforth - Question of Sport, Sport Relief, SPOTY, etc. etc.

    That was absolutely disgraceful and there is no doubt that the authorities will hand them both lengthy bans for their shameful antics - wonder if Chisora will get into trouble with the police (Haye too - clearly see him breaking the bottle over Chisora on the videos circulating on the internet).

  • Comment number 17.

    Unfortunately boxing is unable to promote itself at the Heavyweight limit, so antics like this are the only way to sell tickets. If Jerry Springer did boxing, this is what it would look like.

    What is even worse for British heavyweight boxing is the news that Tyson Fury gave up the British and Commonwealth titles ..... to fight Martin Rogan! One small step for man, one giant leap backwards for boxing.

  • Comment number 18.

    We'll see what the German police have to say about the matter, but I reckon they should both be banned for a fair while, which is disappointing as it leaves our heavyweight prospects in the hands of Tyson Fury. What happened to leaving it in the ring. (or even just ensuring there is a ring for the fight.)

  • Comment number 19.

    An absolute disgrace to the sport. I no longer have any faith in our heavyweights if this is the best on offer. I just hope there is someone out there who can return our respect to the division last seen in Lenox Lewis.

  • Comment number 20.

    That was a disgrace, it part of the fight game, the build up or anything.Chisora is short of a few screws, but Haye after his toe excuse against Wlad has little right to shout the odds.Vitali Klitscho is total class both in and out of the Ring.Fit, powerful an intellectual and that is why he is Champion.

  • Comment number 21.

    I meant not part of the fight game

  • Comment number 22.

    It was a disgrace. Such a bad example for up and coming boxers.

    Although I don't agree with your blog comment about 'As for Chisora's repeated accusation that Haye struck him with a bottle or a glass, that is one detail that may be impossible to verify.' You can clearly see on the main photo BBC Sport has that Haye has a bottle in his fist and the 'splash' over Chisoras face is clearly from the bottle breaking. I appreciate this photo may not have been available when you wrote this.

    On the video, you can see Adam Booth being struck by the tripod Haye threw, hence his cuts.

    The boxing board should do more to ensure this sort of thing doesn't happen, i.e. don't invite fighters into press conferences that have no business being there. But my guess it was a set-up for some big pay days to come.

    Heavyweight boxing is appalling now, the lower weight divisions are much better to watch.

  • Comment number 23.

    Chisora is good for the heavyweight division...he is young, he has a good chin, and he fights with balls, and his antics are just gonna make people wanna watch him more...i hope he get to fight Haye next and who knows?
    Chisora slapped Vitali at the weigh-in and Vitali kept his composure which surprised me but he then SPITS directly in the face of Wladimir and I saw it in his face that he wanted to tear him to shreds but I guess because his brother was going to deal with Chisora, he held back. They are better men than I am too

    Forget Chisora. David Haye is a total embarrassment, Is he retired? What does he not understand about the Klit saying they are not interested in him? What was he doing at the press conference.

    Forget Chisora punish Hate, Chisora has brought excitement to the boxing. Don't fine him, Boxing is dying anyway, people wanting to see heavy sanctions are not boxing fans, they are part time arm chair fans.

    MMA, UFC are the future

  • Comment number 24.

    We've had plenty of reasons to be embarrassed by our various sporting stars over the years, but this has to be the lowest of the low. Chisora's heart in the ring had almost made up for his disgraceful pre-fight antics, but his comments in the post-fight brawl should be dealt with in the strongest way possible, not only by the WBC, but by the German police. As for David Haye, the less said about this embarrassment, the better... A sad, sad day for the sport, end of...

  • Comment number 25.

    Most people will find my view uncomfortable (and I expect will passionately refute it), but these two despicable thugs are sadly a reflection of where British society is dangerously heading. Yes they are a minority and the vast amount of people in the UK are fantastic. However, there are too many yobs, chavs, uneducated idiots running around to sit back and comfortably say that this is a problem caused by a minority of mis-fits. Be warned.

  • Comment number 26.

    My gob is well and truly smacked.

    Unbelievable.

  • Comment number 27.

    I hate to be so cynical but this has all the hallmarks of a PR wheeze. I love boxing but lets be honest for a moment, boxing is not a sport that attracts a lot of viewers outside of the super fights. The only time boxing makes the makes the back-pages is when either a British boxer wins a belt (and that's not even a grantee) or when something like this happens.
    The old adage that 'any publicity is good publicity' rings a little to loudly this morning. Had this little stunt not happened there would probably have only been a few small articles dedicated to a british fighter showing heart but ultimately being outclassed. However, this morning, boxing is not only splashed across the back pages but the front as well. With the threat of sanctions and charges hanging in the air this is a story that will run on for a while adding to the column inches, bad boy reputations and grudge match hype that will only come to increase the purse should a fight involving any of these men ever happen.
    I don't want to point the finger but there is probably a certain promoter out there this morning rubbing his greasy palms with glee at all the free coverage.

  • Comment number 28.

    Just another indication of the total breakdown of our society in the UK and loss of the values that we used to hold in this country; we are seeing it elsewhere all the time - other sports, no sportsmanship, rubbish media, riots, stabbings, get rich/get celebrity quick, something for nothing, fiddling benefits, nanny state, bankers bonuses, human rights that bear no real relationship to all of our rights, all that matters is making money, no pride in being British and so on. There are complex political and social reasons for this going back to when Thatcher came to power (and continued apace by Blair). Sure, there is probably still just a majority who turn up every day, take their seat in the boat and try rowing us forward - but the rest just don't really care and 'facts is facts' - it's all there for us to see every day! Unless something really changes, really quickly, my grandchildrens' children will be facing something out of your worst sci-fi movie!

  • Comment number 29.

    Chisora has been detained by the German Police at the Airport now, so you can imagine he has all kinds of trouble waiting from the BBBC back home.

  • Comment number 30.

    Its funny how people love and will pay to watch organised violence as part of so called sport or accept state sponsored killing and violence, but condemn it when two people are having a genuine brawl rather than over a plastic belt? You all feed off this stuff and make a living writing about it, you are part of the problem too. You just wrap it up n fancy words, but ultimately boxing is two people trying to hurt each other till one cannot take it anymore - simple. Look at the state of Ali, yet no ones condemns his manager or trainer or himself for going on too long. You are all comlpicit.

  • Comment number 31.

    I hope the BBC and the police do no take those words seriously, it is part of the boxing. I am referring to Chisora saying he will shoot haye, burn haye, I am not condoning it in any way shape pr form, just saying people say this during fights
    Remember Tyson wanting to 'Eat you unborn children'? Ali refering to Joe frazer as a m**** prior to them fighting, or even with a picture os dilapidated klitko heads are some of many examples

    Haye for me is to blame for this, and Chisora would be fined for his spit and slap anyway. Suspend Haye for 1 year because he is clearly not retired and the DRAW a line under this
    David price VS Chisora would be a nice fight, and I hate saying it but I think his bravery would be too much for Price, I don't think that fight happens

  • Comment number 32.

    anyone would think it was a WWE storyline...its all a bit of a joke. i think its all set up to garner attention for the two fighters personally. its just a shame that i think haye and chisora are a pair of idiots. the Klitschko's, from what i have seen of them in the ring and on the news/doing promo,/etc, are professional, decent guys, and deserve the plaudits they get. if toe-boy and slappy could take a leaf out of thier books, i think they would probably be doing better for themselves.

  • Comment number 33.

    Honour, integrity, discipline....absent. Shame.

  • Comment number 34.

    I went to a fight the other day and a press conference broke out

  • Comment number 35.

    "It can't be good for the sport."

    It might be a sad reflection on the public, but personally I think that it will actually drum up a lot of interest in the sport.

    It's hardly going to start make people think that Boxing is violent is it? Its boxing!

    They are both a total embarrassment to the country, but the truth is that their actions reflect a large minority of the people in the UK today. There's reports of Footballers get charged with brawling, pretty much every week too.

  • Comment number 36.

    Only confirms my expectations of boxing in the UK - rock bottom. Are these people sane?

  • Comment number 37.

    I wish Haye would just go away, why does he feel he has any chance against the Klitschkos or even Chisora for that matter? Chisora looked at least brave if not showing potential beyond Haye's heavyweight attempts at this level. Chisora did the wrong thing by being at first, cheeky at most by joining along with the toe comments but then goes up to Haye and starts a brawl, it's inexplicable. Haye is the problem for me, none of this would have happened without him, I can understand Chisora maybe being a bit aggrieved to Haye as it was his fight and he certainly put up a better show than Haye. I do not love boxing and the most mind boggling thing for me is the way a challenger can be beaten soundly by a world champion yet they still have the biggest say against fighting another champion, in their next fight, it confuses me dearly, surely it shows over ambition and arrogance as to your own ability, why not get back to the lower levels first and give yourself a thorough going over to find out if one can actually beat not just fight for a purse with a champion? Hatton springs to mind also but maybe far more extreme was Hatton's situation going from great to great with only a minor fight in-between, in comparison, it wasn't minor for Hatton though. I am tired of that and it seems unprofessional to me as boxing surely is more than just belief as it is a sport not a foolhardy pub brawl after some draught lager. It is about technique and strategy, Haye has not asked any questions of his strategy in the fight against Wladamir, he blamed it on his toe for goodness sake.

  • Comment number 38.

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  • Comment number 39.

    Awful scenes. Chisora could have left this whole fight and people would have largely forgotten about the pre-fight slap. Now, because of both himself and Haye, they have tarnished British boxing.

    I love Haye, but that was very disappointing. He had no right to be there, and threw the first punches.

    Time for Tyson Fury and David Price to step up and bring british boxing back into the limelight for the right reasons

  • Comment number 40.

    UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL neither man has come out with any integrity.

    The most likelihood is both men will be banned from entering Germany in future so chances of fighting Klitschko's has diminished

  • Comment number 41.

    Full marks to both the Klitschkos - phenomenal athletes and gentlemen both under extreme provocation, they're a credit to boxing. As for the Brits, they shame themselves and they shame our nation. I hope both the boxing authorities and the law come down on both of them like a ton of bricks - I never want to see either of them polluting my TV screen again.

  • Comment number 42.

    Whilst there is embarrassment at 2 British Boys brawling like a couple of Millwall and West Ham fans I feel that this is what Heavyweight boxing needs. It has been asleep for far too long.

    All we need now is HERBIE HIDE to come out of retirement. Watch the sparks really fly then. :-D

  • Comment number 43.

    What is the most surprising, is that for more than two minutes, people at the table had been asking for security to intervene and to drive Mr Haye out of the room.
    What followed is a direct consequence of no answer to that. When the brawl started, there were so few security that it was a joke.

    Then, Haye and Chisora are a disgrace anyway.

    When you see the behavior of the Klitshkos, you see where the bravery is.

  • Comment number 44.

    Losers - the pair of 'em. Complete lack of class. Embarassing.

  • Comment number 45.

    Who care's really all of this happened because if Dereck Chisora didn't pull off all of these ridiculous stunts no one would remember him. David Haye is an embarressment to himself, if he didn't retire people would be more willing to put him in a match being an "active" boxer but he's not, don't retire if you still want to fight, i don't believe for a moment that the Klitschko camp won't fight him because they know it's a gaurenteed win and a nice little pay packet too.

  • Comment number 46.

    Personally these two thugs do ot deserved the oxygen of media attention. There was a fighter who embodied all of the characteristics of a great fighter and a gentleman.
    Klichenko, who at 40 defeated a younger and hungrier opponent. who has carried himself with grace throughout. and through out his career has justified his place as champion...he is one of those fighers where it will only be appreciaed how good he was after he retires
    And as for 'ducking' Haye...why would he need to fight him, Haye is a retired fighter who had a very poor outing in his last fight and who has not behaved in any way that would induce Klitchko to risk himself when there are other fighters out there who would raise an equal sum of money

  • Comment number 47.

    Razz, on last night's performance Vitali would've been knocked out by Haye. There's no way they want to fight David after last night.

  • Comment number 48.

    Just watched it on you tube and agree with some previous posts, just looks like part of the plan to sell a future fight to me. Pathetic.

    I can't help feeling incidents like this are nails in the coffin of boxing as a credible sport. True champions like the Klitschkos are being cheated as their sport falls apart. RIP boxing.

  • Comment number 49.

    Nothing wrong with a few punches being thrown in a press conference if you ask me. Remember when the greatest heavyweight of all, Larry Holmes, attacked Gerry Cooney at ringside after Holmes had just stopped Leon Spinks? Holmes and Cooney made $10 US dollars for that fight.

    Forget all Chisora's gangster threats. It's all heat of the moment stuff. The real disgrace in this is Bernd Boente, a man who takes every step to ensure the Klitschko brothers fight in their own backyard on terms which don't give their opponents a chance from the start.

    Vitali looked very beatable last night. Boente won't give Haye a chance to fight Vitali, not because of Haye's behaviour, but because Haye has a genuine chance of knocking Vitali out. Haye and Chisora are fighters with a fighters instinct and this sort of carry on will happen from time to time. Boente is the real disgrace here.

  • Comment number 50.

    re #33 except from the proper champions. Their stock rises whilst that of Haye and Chisora plumbs new depths

    Ben's blog makes a good point that David Haye may end up beng remembered for the hype rather than the skills he DID bring to the ring.

    Pity for haye to effectively hijack the press conference (though of course the Klitchko's manager goaded him) - I think Vitali will fight Haye in due course (and beat him soundly too). Haye is a clever manpulator of the media and Chisora may have got sucked into it all but doesn't have the experience to cope better with it. Pity because it seems he put up a sound performance in his proper job - boxing

  • Comment number 51.

    Many people are saying that this is an embarassment to British Boxing and in many ways it is, but it's the Heavyweight division that has the problem.

    There are many good, decent and respectful fighters in Britain at all weights and they deserve our respect fot the way they handle themselves. let's not tar them with the same brush as a pair of Handbag Fighters in Munich.

  • Comment number 52.

    Is this WWE in disguise?

  • Comment number 53.

    As a UK citizen who has lived in Germany for 11 years, I was unfortunate enough to see the press conference on local TV. Irrespective of who is to blame or who did what first, both Haye and Chisora should be banned from boxing for the rest of their days without delay. Sadly for the sport, it's unlikely to happen.

    There is merit in what has been said by #28 and #30, just above, about boxing and society in general. Germans have a general respect for and curiosity about many things British but sitting with several friends last night, I could see that a little of that was lost. I then spent at least 2 hours trying to reason with some of those friends but in the end, any British bias I have (I still have plenty) couldn't make up for what we had just witnessed.

    If this was some kind of stunt as some may believe, no one I was with saw it that way. If a fight is promoted well it surely doesn't require anything like the nonsense of last night. As boxing fans, the consensus was that we will not entertain any fight involving Haye or Chisora and my German mates stated that all British boxing followers should do likewise. If Haye & Chisora are all we have at the heavyweight division then we'd be better off without them and show that press conference to those up and coming as an example of how not to conduct themselves as sportsmen.

  • Comment number 54.

    I didn't mind David Haye doing this at one stage when he had a fight to sell - as he knew this was a way of getting bums on seats. I do think it is actually embarrassing the whole country at the moment though. Sometimes sport goes beyond it's confines into the wider perceptions of you as a nation. At the moment, th whole world could be forgiven for thinking the english were absolutely idiots.

  • Comment number 55.

    What a pair of numptys.

  • Comment number 56.

    I think that the decision to avoid British fighters is made a lot simpler with the lack of any real challengers out there. By the time that any are ready to fight for a world title, Vitali and Wladimir will probably be long gone. I hope that they stick to that remark as well - neither Chisora or Haye deserve another shot at a world title.

    Am I correct in saying that Haye is still "retired"? Why is he calling out boxers when he doesn't even have a license? Also, he can only use the credit he built up at cruiser weight for so long before people start remembering him solely for the insults and thuggery. Yes, boxing is a sport where the aim is to knock the other guy senseless but using glass bottles and tripods sounds more like a felony.

    Well done Chisora for proving me wrong and reaching the final bell. It is just a shame that the slapping/spitting/brawling has overruled this completely.

  • Comment number 57.

    I can't say how much I respect Derek Chisora for even going near a boxing ring containing Vitali Klitschko (how many of us, honestly, would last 20 seconds?). Unfortunately, that is completely overshadowed by how much I revile him for his stupid, boorish thuggery before and after the fight. Doubly so when it was done with the Union Jack prominently displayed.

    I principally blame the promoters and their greed for bigger and bigger purses, which translates to more TV money, which means publicity at any cost. Chisora's obviously a 'character' to put it politely, but a sensible manager and promoter could mould and channel that into his fighting, and give us a gutsy fighter that we could all get behind. Instead, they let the desire for money win the day.

    Strip Chisora and Haye of their licences for 2 years, ban their managers for the same time, and make Frank Warren give his fee from his next 6 fights to charity. Until we get tough with these cynical, manipulative money grabbers they will continue to ruin sport.

  • Comment number 58.

    Lets get one thing straight........this incident has shamed ENGLISH boxing. When have you ever seen a Irish, Scottish or Welsh boxer behaving like that........Poor advertisment and typical behaviour from two useless so-called boxers.

  • Comment number 59.

    There's plenty of good British boxers around at the moment, it's only at heavyweight that they're embarrassing themselves. Rather than following the Chisora circus, I spent last night watching the promising Kid Galahad and Chris Eubank Jr win their fights in Rotherham. If anyone asks what the point in British boxing is right now, just tell them to look beyond the big-money, big-idiocy of heavyweight.

  • Comment number 60.

    Hehe... actually this Munich melee may not be the dumbest that David Haye has ever done. Quite the opposite in fact.

    As regards Klitchkos, in truth I feel they are ready to be plucked really. Both of them. Vitaly in particular is an old man and very cautious and easily tiring if strong and experienced man who doesn't like to get hit at all. But obviously it's not for Chisora or even David Haye to do it.


    Also, Ben how can you rate Chisora's performance over that of David? The end result is the same. That's the criterion by which each fight is measured -- the end result, win or loss. The margin of victory is even higher this time round for Vitaly. Yes Chisora spent the bout going forward, pressing on but David Haye got the same result by staying on the backfoot and not being hit that much at all.

  • Comment number 61.

    @ 59
    Yep..

  • Comment number 62.

    It is interesting to see a number of people arguing that this was a stage-managed brawl intended to drum up support for the sport. I must admit that that makes me even more worried: If two idiots behave like that, particularly in contrast to the Klitchkos, I'd just write them off as morons. Now if the sport is run by people that think such boorish behaviour is the best way to promote the sport then I'm really worried! That way lies WWF and worse.

    Thanks to Ben for a impressively balanced blog.

  • Comment number 63.

    The real problem are the Klitschko's who use a poor heavy-weight division as a 'cash cow'. They are good stand up heavy-weights and no more, lets hope that the young guns start to establish themselves soon for the sake of the division

  • Comment number 64.

    This makes me very sad and embarrassed, but I'm not in the least bit surprised. Not because of boxing, which is supposed to be about honour and respect, but because of UK society in general. A couple of other posters have already made the same point.

    We are forced to tolerate this and other types of loutish behaviour up and down the country every single day. There have always been yobs, but now they are a protected species supported by armies of charities, NGOs, human rights lawyers, and council 'equality managers' (or whatever) - essentially being glorified and enriched at the expense of ordinary decent folk and to the detriment of everyone's standard of living.

    People who try to challenge loutish behaviour do so at great personal risk and with no support from the authorities. Therefore people now just turn a blind eye and the problem gets worse and worse.

    Much has been said about the German view that we lack class and these events serve to re-enforce that. Well I'm ashamed to say that the Germans are absolutely right - see for yourself the next time you get on a bus.

    We need to sort this out. National pride breeds sporting success, not the other way around.

    Fix our society to fix our sports.

  • Comment number 65.

    How can you say "As for Chisora's repeated accusation that Haye struck him with a bottle or a glass, that is one detail that may be impossible to verify"

    Have a look at the photo attached to your own blog.....clearly David Haye hitting him with a bottle?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment number 66.

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  • Comment number 67.

    Oh dear, and I used to like David Haye, overlooking his trash talking trying to persuade myself he was only trying to build hype. Why couldn't he just have retired gracefully? This was a new depth; hitting an opponent with a bottle and then his manager with the tripod.
    Chisora just gives the appearance of a mentally unstable, classless, gang-member.
    Their fight would sell - one can only hope the British board remove their licences so it never happens.

  • Comment number 68.

    David Haye has not lost his bottle, after all.

  • Comment number 69.

    This is a complete embarrassment for British boxing and professional boxing in general. Both of these men should be banned from professional boxing for life (time for the boxing councils to step up and do their job professionally). They should also be treat like normal human beings and charged by the German Police authority. To say this was like a brawl in a pub on a Saturday night also is embarrassing to both men as most brawls on a Saturday night consist of the people involved being intoxicated with alcohol levels to not know what their doing. Neither of these men were intoxicated with alcohol and only their own testosterone. After both men are banned from boxing for life they are most likely going to look into a mirror, blame each other, one is likely to be end up dead as the other hires a hitman to do the deed and the other in prison for life imprisonment, History in the making for all the wrong reasons.

  • Comment number 70.

    What a damn shame. Chisora fought his heart out and seemed pretty gracious afterwards, I thought maybe he'd turned a corner. He's a bloody idiot and I can't say I have any sympathy for whatever punishment he's given. David Haye is an embarrassment as well, he had no business even being there. He clearly wanted to kick off against the Klitschkos but they're too long in the tooth to listen to his nonsense. Sadly, Chisora's a lot younger and stupid than them, so he took the bait. In the end, British boxing looks like rubbish. Once again, I remind you that people were criticising the infinitely more classy and more talented Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton for absolutely vapid reasons before they both retired - if only we'd recognised just how good we had it with them around.

  • Comment number 71.

    I did not watch the fight but am surprised to read that Chisora made a good go of it in the ring so fair play to him, something Haye had no intention of doing against Wlad.

    As for the post fight brawl, well if that doesn't sell their next fight I don't know what will. IMO Haye must've seen enough of a performance from Chisora to stoke up a fight with him... there's gonna be a "bad blood", "home fight" build up that will attract enough money for both of them to have a good pay day. We have seen it before!!!

    As for getting all wound up about being embarassed at being British etc, just get a grip. David Haye and Chisora have never represented Britain in my eyes, so I'm not bothered.

  • Comment number 72.

    64

    The UK is less violent than Germany especially in relation to drug and gun related crime!!! The Germans are obviously a lot better at the smoke and mirrors game

  • Comment number 73.

    I would sign a petition right now to the boxing federation to ask that a haye vs chisora fight match ever happens. To allow them to earn big bucks from being worse than football holigans would be a further disgrace to our nation. I can tell you from experience as an expat that everyone already beleive we are a lager lout society and our sporting ambassadors just proved it!

  • Comment number 74.

    Got to say watching the video, chisora was on the back foot and thepicked up a bottle! he woulda stabbedhaye if he coulda, the mans a thug haye is a complete reject, and all thats left to be said is i hope they both fight and prove whose knuckles drag the floor hardest!

  • Comment number 75.

    Every sport has its talented morons. Its a shame but it is true. Unfortunately boxing only has one man on a team, so there's no good character next to him. But lets not forget the way the Klitschkos carry themselves. Unless I'm mistaken they behave like true sportsman. I guess its a frustration of people who are undoubtedly talented like Chisora, but will never, ever be the best (cough, cough, Joey Barton, cough).

  • Comment number 76.

    I'd like to add my voice to those who've said that incidents like these serve only to bring boxing a step closer to the all-out ludicrous fiction you get week in, week out in the WWF.

  • Comment number 77.

    Vitali Klitschko was an everpresent professional in a room full of halfwit oxygen theives.

  • Comment number 78.

    Say what you want about this (and the behaviour was a disgrace from both of them) but how much excitement has this generated? Haye v Chisora will happen and it will be a far more interesting affair now than it would have been otherwise. Interesting to see how quickly Frank Warren jumped on the opportunity to try and set it up and draw Klitschko's manager into it. Even more interesting to see him come out today and condemn the two clowns (and that's what they've shown themselves to be) in question for their antics, especially considering David Haye was there by Frank Warren's invitation. He knew something was going to happen; he was counting on it.

  • Comment number 79.

    @75 barton isnt even talented every goal has come from a sloppy barton touch / pass against qpr!

  • Comment number 80.

    Also to add to my post @ 71.. when it comes down to it, David Haye is an outright Fraudster. He is trying to make his millions without risking any harm, and isn't bothered that it's so obvious. (Why the hell is he picking a fight with Chisora in the first place??) Chisora may be a thug outside the ring, but he was willing to try inside the ring.

  • Comment number 81.

    I'd be very surprised if anyone currently complaining won't be tuning in to watch Haye-Chisora in a boxing ring, despite the fact both haven't performed well in the last year and neither are particularly liked. Promotional work is already very much out of the way ...
    And it's not all that bad is it? Call me 'on my own', or at least in some minority exclusive to the clinically insane, but anything that brings a bit of drama to sport without killing someone, however crass, at least ensures the sports pages (the only part my typically inward life is concerned with) are rather bloody interesting.
    Well done David and Derek, you did Queen and country proud.

  • Comment number 82.

    It's awesome. How much interest is there going to be if they fight each other now. Everyone saying oh what a disgrace... but you will still be watching if the fight takes place. I don't like either fighters... but after all this what a fight it would be

  • Comment number 83.

    @78 come off it its not a warren trap and even if it was can you blame him chisora is second rate, brave , but 2nd rate all the same. haye runs his mouth at any1 who apposes his ideals he wont win against chisora because hes done no fight in him he showed that last night and he showed it against wladmir!

  • Comment number 84.

    david haye is a disgrace, he quite clearly bottled chisora and he should get arrested for assault! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWrNGUeW2i8&feature=related

  • Comment number 85.

    Sorry this vid has swearing! apologies!

  • Comment number 86.

    @82 you have a point me old china. he it will be a battle of the losers , a ueropa league bout if you like!

  • Comment number 87.

    firstly how can you call it a pr stunt?

    Im mean im as cynical as the next, but they both could have their licences revoked. is it really worth getting arrested, and losing your job over a unlikely pay day, whilst risking your heakth and adam booths health????


    Plus vitali actually had a broken/damaged left hand, and still schooled a very game chisora, who is a great fghter. Vitali wont be injured next time.

  • Comment number 88.

    Nice 81, someone else agrees with me. I'm sure the likes of Frank Warren and Adam Booth like what happened as well (only they can't say it in public)

  • Comment number 89.

    #72

    I have never read such misleading drivel in my life. The UK is a lot more violent and sick than Germany.

  • Comment number 90.

    HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all the queen and country proud stuff is a bit far, im not proud but i am excited!!

  • Comment number 91.

    Firstly, great blog once again. All true and coincides with my thoughts.

    About some of the comments now.

    Vitali looked beatable? He was never in any danger, controlled the fight from start to finish and clearly (and profesionally) stuck to a plan to keep the fight going (commercial revenue). You could see what his right hand was doing to Chisora and Vitali held back despite the provocations.

    Haye? Why should Vitali or Wladimir fight him? He doesn't hold any belt, his HW pedigree is unproven and the appeal he holds for the boxing public is very suspect.

    Chisora fought very courageously. As some of the German commentators pointed out, he should have won the Helenius fight and has nothing to be ashamed of from a boxing performance point of view. Outside the actual fight though, the man is despicable. Spitting at Wladimir was stupid, trying to rile up Vitali after the judges' verdict equally so. Chisora clearly needs to get his head examined.

    Staged PR? The only people who think this is staged or in any way relates to pro wrestling must have not watched the fight and scenes following it and definately don't know anything about pro wrestling. The WWE is a very professional enterprise and you will never see such scenes there, there is too much on the line for anyone to act this way. Last night we saw two men who are aware of just how far down the pecking order they have fallen and their flawed characters do not allow them to assimilate this. Wlad is right, it's a criminal case, no matter who thought what while uttering whatever. A grown man should know there are consequences.

  • Comment number 92.

    It's boxing for gods sake, you know, a sport where 2 people punch each other for up to 36 minutes.

    The amount of hand-wringing, 'holier than thou' reporting on anything of a sporting nature is starting to get particularly tedious.

  • Comment number 93.

    @ 92 if you don't appreciate boxing why comment here? Are you a Liverpool fan in disguise?

  • Comment number 94.

    @ 93 hahahaha seems so callyismagic seems to have seen something we havent.

  • Comment number 95.

    also ben dirs on haye and chisora? seems a fanciful take on the hit u.s show queer eye doesnt it :)

  • Comment number 96.

    @92

    So if you can't settle things in the ring as a sport then its okay to settle with a few fists and bottle. You need your brains tested

    --------------------------

    Bottom line is both Haye and Chisora are even bigger losers after the post match actions.

    If this was Mike Tyson starting a fight out of the ring there would be calls to get him banned and never step foot into the UK for his thuggery behaviour and that is what both Haye and Chisora just showed last night - they acted like too thugs and don't represent Britain

  • Comment number 97.

    Hang on, hang on... as much as I dislike Chisora, he seems to be being unfairly blamed for all this. Haye is quite clearly seen to throw the first punch - whilst holding a bottle I might add. Saying that it's impossible to prove Haye "glassed" him is clearly not true as the photo that accompanies this article proves. Although the bottle is held within a clenched fist, Haye IS clearly holding a bottle as he throws a punch at Chisora. A fight is always started by the first punch being thrown. Haye threw that first punch. Before levelling nearly all the blame at Chisora, lets look at Hayes behaviour, because that's why a bit of shouting ended up in a mass brawl.

  • Comment number 98.

    How on earth can people seriously say that they are 'excited' about the prospect of Haye fighting Chisora. Chisora has lost more fights already in his career than Haye will ever do, Haye is right in calling him a 'loser' and appart from getting a decent pay-off there is no point in Haye fighting somebody of Chisora's standard once again to prove to you idiots that he is a far more capable fighter than the public give him credit for, afterall he has been a champion at two distinctly different weight classes, which is a massive feat. The Klitschko's know that he is there only true threat in this division, thus why they will manipulate anything to avoid fighting him.
    Whilst it has been said that Chisora put in a better performance than Haye ultimately that means absolutely nothing, they both lost. Furthermore giving Chisora plaudits for being beaten for 8/12 rounds is in my opinion strange as Haye did that, and better, with a broken toe whist not being at his best. It makes me laugh when people say that he used his toe as an excuse as most of you wouldnt go into work, to sit at a desk, with that kind of injury, and Haye knew full well if he pulled out of the fight, which he should have done, he would have never had the chance to fight a Klitschko again.

  • Comment number 99.

    haye is principally to blame for goading and taunting chisora and for hijacking his press conference. why was haye even there, and why did he use it to start demanding vitali fight him next and stirring things up? i thought haye was meant to be retired anyway, or so he insisted before and after losing to wladimir! but chisora completely lost the plot,when he should have just ignored haye and risen above the bait. first the slap against vitai then the spitting at Wladimir, now the full on brawl. chisora is definitely unhinged in imho and haye showed his true colours last night -nothing but a thug at bottom. there have always been out of ring incidents in boxing but this takes the belt!

  • Comment number 100.

    @Codsall1000
    are you david haye?

 

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