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Series 5 of Being Human Announced!

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Rebecca Denton, Online Exec | 10:35 UK time, Monday, 2 April 2012

 

Being Human

Series 4 of Being Human has taken us from the deepest pain, to the hysterically funny.  From old friendships as tight and solid as they come, to new, nervous relationships – gently manoeuvring around the familiar floors of Honolulu Heights – finding their feet, their rooms, their tough new boots.

It’s fair to say, this season was a massive challenge creatively for Toby Whithouse, Phil Trethowan,  Laura Cotton and the writing team.  Sending off the original beloved cast while keeping the series moving forward was quite the task – and gauging from the response to Hal, Alex and Tom I think ... job done.

And so we leave them.  Hal beginning withdrawal - tied to a chair, swearing, determined, and sweating (calm down, Rebecca).  Tom, man’s best friend, standing patiently by his new family – equally determined.  And Alex – our new Ghost in her big black boots.

We cannot sign off without a word about the people who make Being Human the wonderful show it is – you.  There is nothing better than working for a show where the fans are a genuine family who care deeply for this crazy world, mythology and its future (and your job!). So thank you. Thank you from the bottom of all of our hearts – we promise not to let you down!

The trinity lives on! Being Human lives on! Long live Being Human!

Until next year.  Or, the next blog entry... WATCH THIS SPACE.

Big love,

Blog Mistress Rebecca & the BH Team.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    Good news everyone and this time it's official.

  • Comment number 2.

    The question is will 180 seconds pass before anyone else posts?

  • Comment number 3.

    Woohoo!

  • Comment number 4.

    Blimey! I can't believe that we have got a new Blog Post! *faints*
    Massive THANK YOU to Rebecca!

    Honestly Ewan.. how do you do it!

    That is a FAB pic of the Supernatural Trinity! Lovely!

  • Comment number 5.

    Is it weird but sometimes I see Hal and Alex looking a bit like brother and sister in appearance?

  • Comment number 6.

    Aww, thanks Blog Misstress Rebecca and the rest of the BH team! Big love right back at you all and thanks again for all the hard work and no doubt sleepless nights. Very much appreciated!

    Ooooo errr - Watch This Space indeed. x

  • Comment number 7.

    For some reason I think Damien and Kate would be perfect for Twelfth Night.

  • Comment number 8.

    Aww.. *wipes tear* That was a lovely message from Rebecca - I'm a bit choked now! She signed herself off as Blog Mistress...

  • Comment number 9.

    Well, well, well. You pop in for a sneaky look during lunch and what awaits you but a shiny new blog! *Is it just me who gets far too excited about these thing?

    Big love right back at ya Mistress Rebecca & the BH team x.

    Watch this space - as if we'd be looking anywhere else!

    (Slopes back off to work)

  • Comment number 10.

    Yipeeee! Thanks Rebecca and everyone involved in bringing BH to us! Oooh, "watch this space" - does that mean we'll be seeing the first Alexcasts soonish? We can't wait!

    5). @ Ewan - they do a little - thank goodness they never kissed *shudder*

  • Comment number 11.

    Its official YAYYY,

    Cannot wait, its gona be a long year but worth the wait.

    "Everyone else either ran away or got proper dead"

  • Comment number 12.

    Sorry, reposting so that this comment does not get lost and unanswered on old blog!
    Please, anyone, chip in, because I feel I really need to resolve this!

    Hi Jo, Manc, Saint.
    Re: doors

    Are you saying, Jo, that you think that Annie never had her door when she died, that her first door is the one in S1E5?
    This to me is new thinking as I don't really understand therefore where these MwSaR come from? Or where they encounter the soul (vamp or ghost-with-UFB)

    Having read the 3 books, you see a door appear for a human character, and we see this with other human characters in the show (Sean, Adam's dad).

    Here is what I always believed:
    Everyone human gets a door, werewolves, humans, and those that have been bitten by vamps and turned also get doors. The difference is that vamps pass through their door and then meet the MwSaR and get ejected through the door, sent back to their body, which is now sustained by vampire-magic (or whatever you choose to believe here). This is the 'waking up process' Interestingly, when we see that vamp wake up in S1E5, (I forget his name) we don't SEE his spirit re-enter his body from a door. I think there are some things even supernaturals cannot see, things that are too personal, or too ... meaningful.

    Ghosts like Annie and Alex get expelled but their bodies are 'proper dead' so they can't go back to them. They are now ghosts, rather than simply 'souls' as George was when we last saw him. I think even werewolves with UFB (Nina for instance, who had a tiny baby to look after - that's UFB if ever there was!) get a free pass to Purgatory, without the MwSaR showing up, because ... well, maybe as Kirby says, it'd be too confusing!

    I got the impression, with Sasha, that either her door had turned up but she had not been able to open it (it was locked/jammed/busy) or it just never showed up. For this reason, her soul/spirit was able to 'reanimate' her dead body. However, since there was no vampire blood-magic involved, her dead body did what all dead bodies do and that was rot. She wasn't a zombie in the classic sense though, as she was not under anyone's control, she seemed to have all her human wits about her, and her soul was in tact. It wasn't until her dead body was unable to sustain even a semblance of life, that it 'gave up the ghost' (pun intended!) and she died again, freeing her spirit to cross over.

    I am puzzled therefore that Emrys did not appear to get a door at all. If he had no door, could he not have done what Sasha did and re-enter his body? Become Zombie-Emrys?

    So, anyway, back to what you were saying, Jo.
    In your understanding, what happens to spirits with UFB? Where are these MwSaR? Accepting this idea means a radical re-think for me on BH AL-theory!
    :S

  • Comment number 13.

    and it started

    DVDs ordered

    BH blog mansion opened, all refurbished , under new management indeed.

    Open sign at the door, vacancy sign flashing in the night.

    We have none long months before it all starts again in January 2013...

    The Hobbit will have staretd its own epic journey from the 14th december 2012.

    Sherlock season three.

    Feeling like climbing on that good old faithful chariot, going west to the Gold Mine fields of California...

    The Wild Wild Blog begins!

  • Comment number 14.

    7). As Viola and Sebastian - I could picture that

    8). I know, Manc! We love you too Rebecca *sniff*. I'm glad we get to keep you for at least another year.

    9). @woome - I think we're all overexcited - I really didn't expect to get a new blog until summer at the earliest.

  • Comment number 15.

    @topo

    grant me a few minutes and I get back at you

    RL big calling but will get back to you

    cross on my heart and panda promise

  • Comment number 16.

    A lovely new blog and i would like to say thank-you to my fellow bloggers for making me feel welcome on this blog!
    It is like an extended family and I have *met* some lovely people here and on twitter and all because of our shared passion for this fabulous show!

    Thank-you Rebecca for your lovely message and good to know we are seen as family!
    I like that
    Its nice
    Awww!

  • Comment number 17.

    7. Ewan - yes, you're right, I wonder if that was intentional in the casting of Alex - that they look like brother and sister.

    (Ewan, you subscribe to SFX, don't you? When they have the nominations for best Blog - can you let me know, please? We always miss puting in a nomination - and I think it's got to be from the fans - so we never have a chance to win. It would be nice to nominate Rebecca and the BH team this year for all their hard work).

  • Comment number 18.

    11). @Saffz - that is Cutler Nick Cutler to Mr Snow in ep 8. It's about the whereabouts often OOs' welcoming vampiric community (currently residing in hooverbags throughout Barry)

    13). LOL!

    Grr 120...70...15...and post

  • Comment number 19.

    Well, look at that, new blog ^^ shiny

    @Mistress Rebecca right back at you and the BH-team. Lovely show, awesome blog, and a bick jaba-daba-doo for official series 5 anouncement ;)

  • Comment number 20.

    18 - Yeahhh

    Reaalllllyyyy cant wait for series 5, sad to see Annie go though, but im VERY sure Alex will grow on me and ill really like her.

  • Comment number 21.

    11. Safffz - That is Cutler Nick Culter talking to Mr Snow! Yesss... Get in... Manc knew a quote!

    Is it an easter egg that Mr Snow was called Mr Snow after Snowy - or is that just a coincidence?

    16. :D And hopefully one day you'll have fun meeting up with them in RL, Emma. x

  • Comment number 22.

    5 -Ewan
    Yes, I think thats one of the reasons I don't want a Hal/Alex romance - they look too similar. I thinks its the hair.

    Anyway must get back to work.

  • Comment number 23.

    16@ Emma_e - it is a lovely community. We bicker at times - just like all families- but for the most part, we get on well. Long may it continue

    18 @me whoops! I meant "committee" not "community"

    20 @Saffz Yay!!! I've been rubbish at the quotes so far this year! I think I'll like Alex - she'll be a fun character to get to know.

    Well, the boxes of many colours seem to be telling me to get back to work! *Se* you all later!

  • Comment number 24.

    @21Manc Oooh I do hope so! looking forward to meeting BH peeps in RL!

    Would be so exciting, do hope that happens this year....

  • Comment number 25.

    21 - I was thinking that :)

    23 - Alex will be great, once you get past the scottish accent i cant really understand that much.

  • Comment number 26.

    12 - Topo - might have to do this in bits.. first paragraph.. I guess Aqua is right - Annie must never have had a door when her head was cracked open at the bottom of the stairs. That means we (well me most certainly) assumed that she had a door but that she didn't go through it because of her UFB. But we don't know that, we never saw it. So Annie's first door must have been at the end of S1 Ep5.

    For me, I felt at the time that Annie's unfinished business with Owen was resolved - hence the door - and all that happened was that Mitchell got staked by Herrick - which led to... more UFB for Annie. At the time I thought she CHOSE not to go through the door - but hey - it could quite easily have been that the door would NOT have opened - after all - it didn't swing open - everyone else's door swung open. Nobody else turned the handle to open their door, the doors just opened for them. But Annie's didn't.

  • Comment number 27.

    23@me again *see* not *se* butterfingers!

    Bye all!

  • Comment number 28.

    OK Topo– I’ll try and explain my view again.

    When a living being dies they see the terrible things, the MWSaR, and then they get their door if they are ready to move on. (Of course none of this happens in real world time) Those who are deemed to still have things to do will not get a door until they have done what is necessary. This is what I meant when I said that the MWSaR are separate to the door.

    WW get a door as living beings but vampires don’t. When a human is recruited by a vampire they die, we know they see the MWSaR but their bodies reawaken as a different species. They are dead, no longer human, so when they are destroyed they have nowhere to go.

    Everyone gets one door and Annie refused hers – or just messed about until it had gone – and that was what made her unique, as Mitchell and Sykes said. No one else we’ve seen even questioned the need to go through their door.

    Sasha should have got a door straight away but Mitchell mucked that up for her so she ended up back in her decaying body and stuck there until the flesh died before she got her door. Maybe, technically, she should have been a ghost but a zombie made a better story and anyway, she had to teach Annie and Nina their lesson of the week before she could go...

    Of course all this is TW’s world not anyone else’s and can be subverted as he sees fit – it also has to provide good plot and character over and above complete and utter consistency...

  • Comment number 29.

    12 - Topo the paragraph starting with "Every human gets a door" Yes, that's what I thought too. Especially the bit about Vampires. When you say, "werewolves get a door" you do mean a the point where they die, don't you? Not at the point where they are turned into Werewolves? Because my understanding of werewolves is that they are NOT dead - just supernatural and very different from vampires, ghosts and zombies. Just asking...

  • Comment number 30.

    Oh Rebecca! Thank you! The writers, cast and crew of BH are terrific. They've done a fantastic job with this series and I, for one, have totally bought in to our new regular cast. Well done all of you!

  • Comment number 31.

    sorry bout reposting but I'm not sure if anybody read that on the old blog:

    about spirits/ghosts and doors: from the description on the show I've never been quite sure wether ghost saw there door before they became ghosts or not. They did see the men with sticks and rope, but would they have needed a door for that? Embrys sure had very little time to see anything between breathing his last and standing next to Annie, but time may not run linear in the AL. Then there was Saul who saw the Men with sticks and rope and his corridor, but he may never have become a ghost anyway since they only sent him back to drag Annie through his door.
    I think that spirits without unfinished bussines don't need a door to enter AL, they just die and pop up over there. Those like George or Leo who want to say goodbye to someone in this live get a door, but pass right through, and those like Annie and Alex end up in AL but have unfinished bussines so they get the chance to resolve that by being sent back or being allowed to go back to this world.

    Plus: vampires don't get doors when they are recruited, do they? At least we never saw any. They may just get sent to AL without a door, then they get bounced back into their body, and when they are proper dead they go right back to Purgatory because they don't get to be ghosts.

    Did that make any sense..at all? ô.o

  • Comment number 32.

    12 - Topo - the paragraph starting with"Ghosts like Annie and Alex" Yes, I also thought that - but why isn't Emrys the same as that? Is it because he didn't mention the MwSaR? Is that the key bit that was missing for you? If Lord Toby says werewolves can't be ghosts well, then they can't and that's why Nina never came back as a ghost no matter how much unfinished business she had. And interestingly - when Nina came round in hospital after Herrick had stabbed her, she never mentioned any MwSaR and yet her life was in the balance there.

    I can see Aqua's answer - but not caught up yet.

  • Comment number 33.

    Amazing this talk of doors - how we'd assumed different things. I had always assumed the door we saw Annie get in S1 was her very first door.

    And that ww get a door when they (the ww) die.

  • Comment number 34.

    12 - Topo the paragraph starting with "I got the impression" (about Sasha/zombie) that's a neat explanaton about the door being locked/jammed/busy and I'm happy with that.

    For me, I'm just going with this - Emrys died - saw the MwSaR but a lot was going on at the time and we never saw him talking about it. Besides, Emrys' UNB wasn't something 'nice', was it? So he might have been a bit worried about that!

  • Comment number 35.

    29 Manc
    Yeah, I meant like with George when he died, not when he was attacked. He was just in hospital for a bit, so no door *grins*

    28 Aqua-Jo
    Okay. I like what you are saying. I'm going to digest it for a bit. Think I like this idea about the MwSaR appearing to the soul as it dies, but before it vacates the body ... I suppose. Kind of not real-time, like you say. But I just want to query your suggestion that vamps go nowhere when they die. Vamps have human souls! I'm so sure of this, I've detailed it in previous blog. They have their human souls, but they also have their vampire 'soul', creating a genuine dichotomy of their nature. I am sure of this or else how could either Mitchell or Hal contemplate 'being human', if they were JUST monsters? I mean, Mitchell was able to love, care, form friendships, laugh ..love, this was the human in him. It was also the human in him which lied to cover his vampire deeds, which tore himself apart after he had visited his corridor in Purgatory to save Annie in S3. Same with Hal: it is human Hal who gets excited at the thought of sorting matches, and valuing antiques on Antiques Roadshow, but Vamp Hal who locks girls in dungeons and rips out their hearts.
    I have theorised elsewhere that if the vamp dies, like Lauren, in a state of human remorse, then the vamp can get their shot at redemption and Heaven in Purgatory. Toby was clear that Lauren went 'to a better place'. This strongly implies that vamps - maybe not all - do get an AL.

    Then there is the notion that ghosts who have not had their door and who have no anchorage to bind themselves to (a building/person etc) may just fade away. Is that it for that soul then? I am guessing yes. Hal talks about it in S4E1 with regards to Pearl and uses the phrase 'float away like smoke on the wind' which makes me think of the way vamps die. Which made me wonder if this is what vamps believe happens to them when they are staked.

    Yet we have Mitchell's corridor in S3.
    And it *is* his corridor, not Lia's, isn't it?

    Am I over analysing this? :S
    Please, anyone else, please jump in with your ideas, I'm really interested to hear whether my thoughts matched yours, or if you have a different interpretation.

  • Comment number 36.

    I think that wws only get a door when they actually die - not when the are *turned*. At that point they are still mostly human. George and Leo both got their doors when their human body died.

    As for Annie - I didn't see pilot so not sure but assumed that her first door was in S1, like you Sea.

  • Comment number 37.

    @aqua
    I get vampires do not get to be ghosts, just like werewolves because they are different species hbut werewolves get doors because they are alive-alive. Whereas vamps are un-dead, not proper dead. Which is why they still have a 'working physiology' such as eating and having a shy bladder a la Mitchell. But dead they are.
    Where I beg to differ is when you say when they are 'destroyed' they have no where to go, yet we know thanks to TW Mitchell is there for A. So there is another entrance to the 'lights' or the AL we do not know about except we know some people- friends were waiting for our Annie and she had such a happy smile.
    My cue is we need to know what is the 'afterlife of a vampire' in some sort of way...

  • Comment number 38.

    Well Topo I agree with you on the vampires having a soul - even before LT said about Lauren going to a better place, I though she was going *somewhere*. She said something like ' here it comes....Oh My' as if she could see her *light*. You see a difference in the way some vamps die when they are staked - some just implode - I think these are the vamps that have no chance of an afterlife as they have no good to their soul. Vamps like Lauren and Mitchell, well we see them die - they don't go to dust immediately. I think that's the difference and these vamps have a shot at their corridor. Well that imho is how it works anyway.

  • Comment number 39.

    @topo
    how to make a vampire probably gives the answer to what happens when a vampire is unmade-staked-turne dinto dust. Vampires willingly for the first brothers then via 'recruitment' sell their souls to the devil. While un-dead, this soul they keep on a temporary loan basis shall we say, but a 'diabolical' part is added. Your dichotomy idea is spot on. once staked the diabolical element which is- who knows- set in the left side of the chest goes back to its master- taking with him as slave/prisoner the human soul. The devil deserve sto get its due. the human soul which was the target from the beginning. The only way this soul can be saved is through love or any positive genuine human feeling for said soul. Lauren begged to be saved, but it was Mitchell who did the deed.

    Yet something else must happen in the nether regions where the devil rules. I expect loads of small print and rather some unpleasant moments. I have some ideas but there are not canon, well until TW goes there can't say it is canon

  • Comment number 40.

    28 Aqua - yes, I'm happy with that.

    But when you said:

    "When a human is recruited by a vampire they die, we know they see the MWSaR but their bodies reawaken as a different species. They are dead, no longer human, so when they are destroyed they have nowhere to go " (my italics)....

    That's a bit hazy for me (the bit I put in italics). They have to go somewhere (for me). Not sure where.

    Look, let's take Cutler as an example. He was a nice guy, happily married, loved his wife, he was a solicitor doing his best for his clients... And then one day a prison door opens and he meets Hal. And the only reason that Hal has taken an interest in Cutler is that the Vampires need a new Legal Man on their team because Hal has (er.. actually WILL - note the mix-up with the dates) kill the guy that they have got now.

    What had Cutler ever done wrong as a human? Surely, his humanity deserved a door? But no. So, he dies.. sees the MwSaR and returns as a vampire. And then he 'proper dies'. But Cutler was made to do those terrible things.. his life path was ripped away from him - it's not fair Aqua! Not fair, I tell you! (can't believe I am writing an 'in defense of Cutler comment' - that's what this Blog does to you...)

  • Comment number 41.

    I think Vampires get to have an afterlife providing they have been staked through an act of love, thats why I am certain Mitchell was on the other side waiting for Annie along with George and Nina when she passed on.

  • Comment number 42.

    @39 Saint
    Aw, yes, I like your ideas. No canon for the devil-aspect, but I do like this. It would fit with the fact that some vamps do die in a state of 'humanity' (like Lauren, Mitchell) and therefore, their human soul is lost to 'the devil' and they get their shot at heaven.

    I always thought that what made Mitchell especially important to Herrick was his goodness and nobleness of spirit - the complete opposite to the human Herrick had been. I think what made Herrick decide to turn him into a vampire was not that H had spotted his pretty eyes, or the luxuriant curls, the ripped body, the muscular arms *sigh!* *Ahem!* Where was I? Oh, er, yes, H had a convo with M whereby M offered himself to spare his men, and H just loved the idea of corrupting such an inherently good and noble soul. Up until then, H had possibly only met truly corrupt vamps like Seth and Hetty, in whom there was n humanity. I think he wondered, 'What will happen if this noble-hearted boy is turned into a vampire?' I think it was part of his sick game.

  • Comment number 43.

    another thing which is relevant to this discussion is what happened to detective nancy
    we saw her bitten then about dead and a lot of us thought she had been turned
    but was not.
    yet we saw that white smoke going upward from her body
    was it her soul???
    was she almost turned but did the men with sticks etc considered up as fit for an AL?

  • Comment number 44.

    Started reading the blog... got about halfway through then i started scanning it.
    Anyway, THANK YOU very much Rebecca for this fab blog, and a big thank you to all the BH team for this wonderful show, im already looking forward to S5!!!!

  • Comment number 45.

    @topo

    that is where I am not so sure. Oh I am sure M offered his neck to save his men but humanly there was a part of him thrilled to become immortal and who would blame him
    somehow when he mentions choice and lack of choice and biting in human neck and being disgusted by their willingness, it rings a bell... in him.
    I hope we are hoing to see HAL not spiralling downward, afterall we kow he can be a mean baddie and Herrick is but a kid in evil to him. Rather saving a vampire soul the hard way, getting the Devil to open just atad his closed fist would be interesting.
    Now, I ahve this idea - fair enough, not canon that by killing Herrick hrough some love, Mitchell has allowed a very ugly soul to escape Hll and deserved punishment. JW in a november interview was not ruling a comeback... jsut so you know anything goes

  • Comment number 46.

    @43 Yeah, Nancy. Was so SURE she'd show up during S4! Loved her and her very biteable neck and her natty line in jackets. She would have made an interesting addition to S4, even if it was so that she got staked later on.

    Not sure about this white smoke though, Saint. Would have to rewatch to check that.

  • Comment number 47.

    31 Opo - yes it does make sense and some really good points raised there IMO

    Opo - you said:
    "Plus: vampires don't get doors when they are recruited, do they? At least we never saw any. They may just get sent to AL without a door, then they get bounced back into their body, and when they are proper dead they go right back to Purgatory because they don't get to be ghosts".

    No they don't get doors when they are recruited - but we do know that they see the MwSaR and then end up back in their bodies as vampires. But - and this is a big but - why do they have to go to Purgatory? Will they be 'judged' as their human selves until they were made vampires? Which seems fair to me... and the rest forgiven - not their fault they were made vampires they didn't ask for it - well, in the case of Cutler.
    Hal is a different kettle of fish altogether

    (Opo 'a different kettle of fish' is an idomatic expression in English - it means 'altogether different but with more added stress' - you probably knew that - sorry if you did)

  • Comment number 48.

    We may all have to agree to disagree on vampires and where they go!

    Not sure I believe in souls at all, too rooted in conventional theology for me but I’m not arguing with anyone else’s BH beliefs. After all, it’s all open to each person’s interpretation until we can tie TW to a chair and ask him all these questions...

    I do think what TW said about who was waiting for Annie was extremely clever and non-specific!! Can be interpreted many, many ways...

    You can’t doubt my allegiance with the shark camp but I firmly believe that vampires have no afterlife. They just disappear. They aren’t human, never will be however much they want to be or try to be. They don’t get human forgiveness or human happy ever after. They don’t even get eternal torment.

    Herrick, Cutler, Fergus - my favourite characters – are gone, no trace left. Life’s not fair so why should death be?

    That's sounds a bit dismal! Enjoying the debate but probably should do a bit of real work. It keeps me in shoes...

  • Comment number 49.

    @45 I expect he offered himself to save his men before he fully understood what was on offer. After all, if he had really understood who and what H was, he would have realised there was little he could have done to stop H killing his men anyway. (Perhaps M saved his men by signalling with a whistle for his men following behind to retreat, thus keeping them out of the vampires' path?)

  • Comment number 50.

    41 - Hello Anxious Badger! (what a great name) and welcome to the Blog.
    For me Mitchell was waiting for Annie in the AL. And I hope that Cutler is now hugging Mrs Cutler as we speak - and that's saying a lot - because I really REALLY didn't like Cutler one tiny bit - until Ep7.. then I still didn't like him but just felt sorry for him.

  • Comment number 51.

    hate this laptop! going back to convo.

    What happens to vampires after the staking,
    what happens to the human body after the recruitment,
    is the devil 'real' and what do we call 'devil'... after all can be loads of things,

    and if good vampires are allowed back to the corridor through an act of love- staked because they deserved human love- then bad vampires can get to the corridors because they despite not deserving it got staked by love!

    then we can imagine like a comeback a la kirby
    but they would be body less , really body less , totally invisible because they sort of jump the queue of the corridor station?

  • Comment number 52.

    @Manc 47
    But Mitchell's corridor was filled with his vampire misdeeds, so if you accept that vamps like M that die with human conscience, they get a corridor ... and get to face up to their vamp crimes :( Pretty miserable Purgatory, but that is the point, isn't it?

    Hi aqua.
    Yeah, guess we'll have to disagree on vamps and the AL. I think Toby was deliberately ambiguous with his answer about Annie's heaven. Yet he'd been pretty clear with regards Lauren, so I'll take my inspiration from that.

    However, I've loved having this discussion about when doors appear to people. I'm really looking at the BH-AL Theology in a different way now. And, yes, if I'm honest, it is the aspect of BH that interests me most as it is very different to anything I've seen covered in any other books/TV shows, really sets BH apart. That and the fact that BH vamps do have humanity, can be human, do have souls, unlike, for instance, Buffy-vamps, where it is clear they are just demons cloaked in human form.

  • Comment number 53.

    really doing my best @Topo.
    Herrick staked escapes Hell , is behind a door in his human corridor, does a Kirby but is body less... could he -he would, the man is pitiless- inhabit the body of any anonymous poor comatose person. Said poor soul would go to/cross his/her door while Herrick-sex irrelevant-soul could inhabit a human body and what... take revenge on HH? but the fab four are on the other side… so? .... nurofens!!!!

  • Comment number 54.

    47-@MancVamp
    (I knew that ideom but thank you very much for being so thoughtful, most Germans wouldn't know it. :) I appreciate the gesture)

    I've also been wondering: Where exactly are the MwSaR? Are they in the AL? In some place between our world and the next? Because even ghosts who do not crossover right away and vampires who go back to their bodies see them but I don't think the vampires see the corridors.

    But - and this is a big but - why do they have to go to Purgatory? Will they be 'judged' as their human selves until they were made vampires? Which seems fair to me... and the rest forgiven - not their fault they were made vampires they didn't ask for it - well, in the case of Cutler.

    Good point there. Should people like Cutler who became vampires without giving their consent be held fully respoinsible for the deads they commited as vampires? Or should AL only look at their human live and judge accordingly? Maybe they could treat it as a case of diminished responsibility given that the vampire state is very like an addiction, so they would be under the influence of blood/their drug when they commit those crimes. Thus they would be held responsible for their complete time on earth but they would not be judged unfairly.

    this took forever to write X/ guess it will be outdated allready XD

  • Comment number 55.

    @aqua
    I am not happy with bad people being not ‘rewarded’ their deeds. It is the absence of punishment that I do not like. You are good a la Cutler before being recruited through no fault of the decent human you are; then you kill because an evil vampire gene has been imprinted in your DNA, not your choice then you end up staked and … and that is it! That is dismal. Because if Evil is not punished then what justification do you have for being good. Being good for being good is just meaningless,; nothing means nothing. No Evil, No Good, nothing: all is limbo.
    Life is not fair, death is not fair. Hence why bother with decency and that is where if you want decency, you have some order, you get good and bad and rewards and punishment. you can have limbo and total unfairness but then you are back to the bacteria status and you are not human.
    Not you aqua. Not you, naturally. IT IS A FIGURE OF SPEECH!

  • Comment number 56.

    I think some vamps retain aspects of their humanity. OK there are those only out for themselves and are bad through and through - this can be said of humans too. We then have vamps like Mitchell - he rescues Annie with no gain for himself; he befriends Bernie, he stakes Lauren. These are acts of kindness that set him apart from a vamp like, lets say, Fergus who even admists to thinning out his own *herd* from time to time. These are the sorts of things imo that may make the difference between a vamp *getting a door* and a chance to face their misdeeds in purgatory and gain forgiveness. Vamps like Fergus just implode and that's it for them, I think.

  • Comment number 57.

    I think if Herrick is correct and being *turned* merely liberates a person, then who is to say that Cutler would have remained a decent human had he lived? Possiblity Cutler the vampire was just being the Cutler that he wanted to be in life but he never dated because he knew there would be a price to pay?

  • Comment number 58.

    (blog acting up for anybody else or is it just me? Not really loading, not showing my boxquote...hm...it's possesed XD)

  • Comment number 59.

    58 - Yeah, I was having problems with it earlier - green box, pink box, comments box there but no *post comment* tab. It's being a tad temperamental today.

  • Comment number 60.

    Just realized I got dead and deed confused in my earlier post XD so it's fully responsible for the deeds which of couse mostly involves dead people but well... ^^''

    @sasha
    Good, so it's not just me ^^...well, actually not good at all, the blog being temperamental...o.o

  • Comment number 61.

    @57 Well, if you are an evil human, becoming a vampire really will 'liberate' you as a person, as it did Herrick. It gave him the means to dispatch enemies, and a new and thrilling reason for doing so! it also gave him plenty of friends in considerably high places, and a chance to insinuate himself within their hierarchy and rise to the top (Head of Vampires in Bristol, he was proud of that!).

    I wondered what Cutler had done to come to Hal's attention. Had he defended a human against a vampire (and won?) Had he unknowingly defended a vampire against the system and won? Had he defended a human whom most people thought was guilty, but Cutler had managed to get him off? Or perhaps a human against a big corporation, not expected to win, and did? Or maybe he had proved himself vulnerable to bribe-taking ...?
    I think, from what we saw of Cutler and his wife, he was not a bad person, but perhaps he was good at defending bad people. Lawyers often have to contend with some tricky moral situations, maybe Cutler, though not a bad man, had already started to blur the lines between his moral self and his duties as a lawyer. Or perhaps, a bit like H and M, Hal wanted to turn this particular lawyer because of his high moral position and his goodness, he wanted to take a sick satisfaction in corrupting a good, honourable man.

  • Comment number 62.

    *whispers* sorry - just got to move my car... sorry... *backs out of blog*

  • Comment number 63.

    *Waves at our blogmistress as she rides off into the sunset* So long Rebecca, and see you around! Best of luck with your new project, and hope you'll keep dropping in from time to time.

    @Topo, love your observation that bad humans make evil vampires and evil vampires take pleasure in recruiting formerly good guys. Cutler does seem to fit that mold, a good guy with the seeds of his own corruption within him. It was interesting to read that both AG and TW saw him as an irredeemable baddie, because to viewers he always held out the promise of something more. That makes TW and AG our evil geniuses, doesn't it?

  • Comment number 64.

    63 Rebecca,didn't mean to imply you wouldn't be back next year, just hasta luego! X

  • Comment number 65.

    Good Afternoon Bloggers, Mods and Rebecca!

    Hope we're all well today!

    What a nice surprise to see a lovely new blog and all the lovely regulars popping in to say hello.

    Blog Mistress Rebecca and the BH team. You have spoiled us so much this series and i can only hope for more of the same for series 5.

    *on hands and knees* 'We're not worthy, we're not worthy'

  • Comment number 66.

    61 - I don't think Cutler was necessarily a good person Topo. He was quite happily willing to kill baby Eve just to get noticed and I didn't get the impression that was a change in him because he was *vamped*. Think there was a good chance he was bad and that's what Hal saw in him all those years ago. After all, Hal was disappointed that Cutler wouldn't kill his wife - he obviously expected him to. So, for me anyway, Cutler wasn't a particularly nice man before being turned.

  • Comment number 67.

    Good afternoon @BigBadDog How's it going? :)

  • Comment number 68.

    Hi BBD - didn't spot you there! How you doing?

  • Comment number 69.

    I think it's a lot easier to imagine what happens to a vamp if he only dies once. But Herrick died twice. He was brought back by Cara and Daisy. But back from where? If there's no vamp afterlife, where was Herrick hanging out? How can there be vamp heirs if vamps don't have an afterlife?

    Just saying...

  • Comment number 70.

    @67 0positiv. Hi *waves* it's going wickedly well thanks! And you?

    @68 sasha. Hi lovely *waves like a crazy person* I've been hiding! How are you?

  • Comment number 71.

    69-@sea
    Oo oh..I didn't even think of that. So if he wasn't in AL his spirit was hanging out within his ripped-to-shreds remains...must have been fun ô.o
    But if he was in AL why did he go there when he was not proper dead?

  • Comment number 72.

    Very lively discussion going on here today!

    Have to say I agree with (Jo, was it?) MwSaR are something people see when they die, don't think they are actually there. Then they are brought back to reality and they either get a door or the don't. ( Must be very scary if you wake up without someone there to explain it to you)

    I think Cutler, as someone said would have done anything to get noticed, whether it was good or bad..as a human or a vampire. I mean he was prepared to destroy the vampires future(including his) by killing baby Eve, that shows how desperate he was to get into the history books.

    Where was the place Annie went between S2 and 3, where she made all her online broadcasts from?..an empty room, endlessly waiting to find out what her fate is...sounds like hell to me..maybe that's where all the bad people go?

    (now imagining likes of Herrick, Seth etc sat on uncomfortable plastic chairs in a waiting room, looking up expectantly every time someone walks in...Are they here for me? no, goes back to staring at the floor....)

  • Comment number 73.

    Hi Fleem and BBD! Fancy us getting a new blog! That Rebecca is grand.

  • Comment number 74.

    70 - *Waving like a crazy person right back at ya!* I'm good thanks. So you've been hiding then? Thought perhaps you'd been completely sucked in by the dark side :-O

  • Comment number 75.

    70-@BigBadDog I'm fine, appart from bringing on a headache by thinking too much about BH version of AL XD

  • Comment number 76.

    @73 Hi Sea. She is indeed grand!

    @74 No sasha, the darkside is being sucked in by me! I'm going to break it! LOL. I took leave of absence from the blog when it all got a bit nasty. Me and subtlety don't go hand in hand so, best i didn't say anything at all!

  • Comment number 77.

    72 - Do you mean you don't think there actually are MWSaRs? Figment of the deceased's imaginiation? Why would they appear the same to everyone if they don't exist. Surely different people would see different things - someone might see clowns - somebody else daleks?

  • Comment number 78.

    Dinner time, might be back on later,
    cu everyone ^^

  • Comment number 79.

    76 - Isn't that from a song BBD. You say it best, when you say nothing at all...//// hahahahahahaha. Only kidding just couldn't resist! :-D

  • Comment number 80.

    Sasha (and others - sorry not to name all!) - I agree with you about Cutler, although we don't know enough to be sure there was something that made Hal notice him and I doubt it was his charity work with fluffy kittens!

    Hal probably made him crueller and stoked the desire for revenge and to be noticed but it must have been there all alone. He just didn't like the messy stuff!

  • Comment number 81.

    @79 sasha. You are right, i was taking the Ronan Keating approach to blog hate! LOL

    As much as Cutler was a sad figure possibly deserving of our sympathy his personality be it human or vampire was ambitious regardless of the cost and it was his undoing in the end!

    Maybe the Men with Sticks and Rope are the ones who pull you off the ceiling when you have an out of body experience. The ethereal coping mechanism of the brain when we die. Surely though, if they were imagined they wouldn't always appear the same? They seem to be a universal truth in BH so they must have some grounds in reality/afterlife!

  • Comment number 82.

    77 Hi sasha, no I didn't mean they don't exist , I just don't think they are physically there when people die..more that they are something that appear in people's minds

  • Comment number 83.

    Yeah, I like the idea that what attracted Hal to Cutler was that he was eager to prove himself, to blur morality when it came to his clients just to win, to be a winner, to make a name for himself. Perhaps his love for his wife was the one 'good' thing anchoring him to 'the side of the angels'. If that was so, he was probably on a route to losing her love anyway, if he was behaving in a morally ambiguous manner with regard to his cases.
    I like that Hal chose him as he noticed this 'potential'. And then got rid of the wife, as he knew and understood she was the only part of his humanity that really remained to him, as a human, and as a vampire.

  • Comment number 84.

    @81 basically, what we're saying is ... Cutler was a proper Slytherin!

  • Comment number 85.

    @84 topomostro. Hahaha, yeah that pretty much sums him up!

  • Comment number 86.

    Dearest Mistress Rebecca. I think I may cry. Thank you for your hard work. Thank you Auntie Beeb for keeping us all happy. Thank you BH casting department for your choice of actors, you know how to please a crowd. Lastly thankyou LT and your talented writers long may you reign. XXXXXXXXXX

  • Comment number 87.

    85 - Didnt know you sang, i was just now listening to your Soundcloud.

  • Comment number 88.

    Hi everyone!

    Wow, a fancy new blog, even after a week of Series 4 ending. Rebecca you really do spoil us! Felt slightly emotional reading that, couldn't have summed Series 4 up better if I tried.

    Right, I'm going to sit back and lurk now, while you people discuss doors!

  • Comment number 89.

    Dearest Blog Mistress Rebecca & the BH Team.

    Thank you for all your hard work (on the show & this wonderful blog) But pretty please don't leave it to long till the next blog post ;)


    Anyhoooo - how is everybody today?

  • Comment number 90.

    that actually choked me up a bit!

  • Comment number 91.

    Hello Bloggers all. Really Missed Alex Hal and Tom last night 8-(. Do we have to wait another year *whines*. Nice to see familiar names here.

  • Comment number 92.

    @87 Hi Saffz, erm yeah that was me! I hope your ears didn't bleed!

  • Comment number 93.

    the Cutler discussion leads me to wonder if there is such a thing, no as a good vampire but if vampires are not recruited on the basis of their potential personnality.

    vampires recruit only as vampires people who have it in them like they were sensing a kindred spirit.
    Hettie recruits Herrick because his evil persona -selling a child to a madam is plain wrong.
    Herrick in turn kills Mitchell because of his heart-brealing, orphan-making potential
    Hal is turned because he can be - if he wants it to be so - a sadistic commander

    But having a potential does not mean you realize the potential; you can fight it. Being the son of an underworld grandee does not mean you end up a maffioso. Mitchell was never fully the orphan maker but in the BT20 he showed he had it, he gave in to it. Hal has given into it a lot. Can he recover is the question?

  • Comment number 94.

    Who knows? vampires only recruit people who have the potential to become violent vampires, werewolves scratch only who has it in him/her to welcome the 'wolf' as for ghosts...

    no free will. all sort of pre-ordained
    whatever you do, you are doomed in one way or another
    a sinister black vision of the world where there is no end and no joy
    life is not fair, death is not fair and destiny is not fair
    one wonders what is the use of living?

  • Comment number 95.

    92 - Nope, i liked it :)

  • Comment number 96.

    @95 Aww thanks Saffz! Much appreciated!

  • Comment number 97.

    91 - Well not quite a year howlingblue. This time next year, we'll just have started our next wait for nearly a year! :-D

    82 - Ah, I get your drift now. Always a bit slow on a Monday, me :-)

  • Comment number 98.

    I'm so excited! Can't wait for next year. I wish the series 4 DVD would be available to order/preorder in the US soon...I could watch these episodes over and over.
    Thank you for such an amazing season, for staying true to the heart of the show and making me fall completely in love with new characters. See you next year!

  • Comment number 99.

    Wow new blog, and deep deep deep discussions....hello all.

    I agree with those of you who say there must be something that made Hal notice Cutler, and that Cutler'd probably do anything to prove himself, and get noticed by the world.

    But was it pure revenge when he tried to kill baby Eve? Somehow I doubt that, why get himself burned so horribly. Maybe after all the humiliation this was his turning point and the realisation he couldn't go on being a vampire - after all he knew he'd sign his own death as well by killing the baby.

    As for door or no doors and AL or no AL for vampires....it's nice to think there's something good for the bit of humanity that's left in them, after a spot of being punished for their wrongs.

    But then I'm not much of an afterlife believer personally, so what do I know? I love stories and happy endings though :).

  • Comment number 100.

    Hellooooooooo! And look what's new, a blog! Yippee! :)

    Thank you so very much, Miss Rebecca and all the rest of the fantabulous BH crew. Hopefully there will be more in-between series blogs over the next year.

    I've finally bought S1 - 3 on boxset. Yes, I know, I'm very late but at least I've got it now!

    Also, Plan news! For it to work I need to overcome a lot of obstacles and I've just destroyed no. 2. So... I will most probably be able to reveal what it is near the beginning of May. Be patient my comrades, it (I hope) will be worth the wait.

 

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