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Rebecca Denton, Online Exec | 20:15 UK time, Wednesday, 8 February 2012

 

The Second Scroll, Part One

 

 

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  • Comment number 1.

    new blog!!

  • Comment number 2.

    *dancing round room* What...oh...yeah...I got the first post!(first time)
    I see vampire and the 3 supernaturals. No idea what the other symbols are...

  • Comment number 3.

    "Oh my god thats human skin"

  • Comment number 4.

    oh and i think there is the house the baby was born in...

    Where is everyone?

  • Comment number 5.

    Saffz, 'its got a nipple on it!'

    Thank you Rebecca, you've been very busy!

  • Comment number 6.

    HI LOZZIE
    We know from regus the triangle has at least two meanings
    can mean africa , can also mean the trinity/ AS in supernatural trinity vampire/werewolf and ghost
    we also know that the shape with the cross inside means a house?
    now the two shapes: men or women? opposed?

    we also have the moon symbol and someone inside, laying down? with a line across the moon symbol

    a dead werewolf??? and the symbol of vampires

    doing all rthat from memory

    if any mistake begging to be corrected

  • Comment number 7.

    Hi Saint
    I was wondering what the 2 shapes are, could be the opposed forces (vampires and werewolves). The moon symbol with someone laying inside could be a dead werewolf, or a vampire with a stake in the heart?

    So so far we have supernatural trinity vampire/werewolf and ghost, and baby born in the house and vampires.
    Then we have what we are guessing to possibly be a dead werewolf, or a vampire with a stake in the heart?

  • Comment number 8.

    IT MUST BE WOMAN SEE THE SYMBOL OF A PREGNANT WOMAN

    it is same shape but with added baby inside a enlarged 'belly'
    so we have two women face to face/ a vampire and ... a dead woman with the symbol of the moon- the woman of the future visiting the household!

  • Comment number 9.

    Made it! I've been home sick for a few days, only reason I can keep up with the blogs..but I am sorry to say I have no insight into the scroll...makes my head hurt trying to figure it out.

  • Comment number 10.

    wonder if we will get all 3 parts seen as they were not shown and described on the episode

  • Comment number 11.

    Saint good thinking!! Im so shocked i didnt put that together. Well done saint!!

  • Comment number 12.

    Never mind this one, where is the missing bit?

  • Comment number 13.

    Top corner is it me or does that look like a ships sail? if so with the theories we have so far we have a dead vampire (staked), 2 women, a house, a trinity. = End of last series dead vampire, Nina & Annie, in the house of the Trinity (Ghost, Vampire & Werewolf) with the OO's coming from overseas. or is that just too obvious? at this stage of the game I don't think LT would give too much away whadda ya think?

  • Comment number 14.

    @lozzie
    I may be completely wrong

    I would like to know if you agree that the three tall shapes on the right side of Regus original two scrolls are 'men' shapes as opposed to 'women' shapes?

    by the way as scrolls go, Regus has not told Annie/dying George and Tom that there is a third scroll whereas Fergus and Cutler are aware of existence of said third scroll

    AND BY THE WAY, this scroll has never been seen so far in the serie
    so is it belonging to one of the four other dreams of the original Asian vampires?

    nice to know that TW is bowing to the celebrated Chinese vampires. By the way does that ring a bell: the two long white-haired Chinese vamps who befriended Dewi... Trouble in Chinatown to come-

  • Comment number 15.

    Woooaaaaaaah! Run that by me again slowly. Which symbol is the one for vampire please?

    Hello everyone.

  • Comment number 16.

    We deffinatly know the triangle is the trinity and the tomestone with the cross inside is the baby born in the house, the baby inside the moon is a human born under moon (meaning same or maybe different talents to warewolves) the one that looks like a two sided axe means vampires and the other symbol was supposed to have meant death..... thats all i got from the show :D i'll try and help xx

  • Comment number 17.

    reading too much intro the symbols guys. was the girl from the future eve or was that too obvious? and if she is then why is she traveling back timelord stylie to kill herself?

  • Comment number 18.

    p.s anybody else miss herrick??

  • Comment number 19.

    @manc the symbol for vamps is the symmetrical one, like a double axe

  • Comment number 20.

    Hello Bert! Welcome to the blog! Oh well done and thanks! *goes to write it down* Is there any importance in the placement of the symbols, do you think? -the order in which they appear on the scroll? A bit like runes (is it runes, not sure)

    Hello rodz - Sadly for me, reading too much into the symbols is jolly good fun IMHO.
    Was the girl from the future Eve? - we don't know - she is listed as The Woman in the credits.
    Why is she travelling back timelord stylie to kill herself? We don't know if she is and if she was, we still don't know. Maybe to stop all the vampires wiping out the werewolves in the future? Not sure. What do you think?

    Ah yes... will miss Herrick more than I ever thought I would.

    Well done to MissPandaBear who had a bet on there being Chinese Vampires in S4! And how we scoffed...

  • Comment number 21.

    so the triangle is trinity, as in the 3 supernaturals, and the axe-ish thing was vampires. i guess the tall one is the symbol for werewolf? cos it looks likes its got arms and a tail... so the thing with the crucifix in might be a ghost?

  • Comment number 22.

    Hi, never really posted on here, but here goes.... I think that "The Woman" must be Eve, the man who stabbed her said something about meeting her once and shaking her hand when he joined the recruitment drive for werewolves, maybe she becomes their poster girl? Just a thought....

  • Comment number 23.

    @manc
    well firstly as you know our dear mascot is Chinese so she would be so proud if her native land was somehow participative of the BH universe
    then Chinese vampires are well known!

    some tutorial regarding Chinese vamps
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiang_Shi

    pic
    http://glttan1975.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/hopping_vampire.jpg?w=450&h=582
    and more typical
    http://www.motorcitycomic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/blogjiang-shi.jpg

  • Comment number 24.

    Hi guys, first time posting but I regularly lurk these blogs and comments. That's not creepy at all is it?

    @MancVamp I think there is importance in the order they're placed since they did in episode one. The symbol for baby was over the symbol for moon and that meant baby of the werewolf.

    So what we have is House, Supernatural Trinity, Vampire and the symbol for Moon or Werewolf with a line through it.

    Does anyone remember the symbol for Baby? Without the "bump" bit with the baby inside, the symbol was a line with a tail on either end going in opposite directions. That long symbol we haven't seen before has two of those up against each other? So a couple? Maybe lovers? I'm not sure.

  • Comment number 25.

    Hi there everyone! I'm new to this so forgive me for any mistakes lol.
    Whether or not this is sad (my husband says yes) I've been keeeping note of the symbols in my notebook and this is what I think of the scroll above:-

    We know the pyramid is trinity (more likely to be that than Africa), so maybe the union of werewolf,vampire and ghost ie the 3 main characters......?

    The arch shape with a cross inside is the house the child was born into, and the double looking axe shape means vampire............
    ............
    so with this in mind and looking back on series one I think the 2 similar symbols are two men/women and to me it looks as if they're standing back to back(?)
    the moon symbol with a man/woman inside seems to be the death of werewolf (?) Iknow this doesn't answer any questions but thought I'd throw this out there and see what you all thought??

  • Comment number 26.

    I've been keeping notes of the symbols too, Catherine! We can be sad together.

  • Comment number 27.

    21 - Hello tony and welcome to the blog - I thought your comment about Dewi was sooo funny! :D Ok. The triange is the trinity - I get that - but is that ANY trinity, as in a ghost a werewolf and a vampire - or is it referring to a specific trinity? We've now established that there are 2 sets of trinity - but what if there are more?

    22 - Hello Em nice to see you - Yes, and I thought the same. For me, this is Big Eve - only problem is that niggling little problem with the credits - the actress is called The Woman. So we really don't know enough yet.

    Hello Min! Welcome to the blog - no, it's not creepy at all. I was a 'reader' of the blog for ages before I dared to comment for the first time. And no-one replied to my comment :( and then I had another go - and I seem to recall that RealMitchell and drunkath were very nice - but it is so much fun and always interesting to here a new point of view! I think my first comment was to tell people that Lorraine Kelly - who is a HUGE Being Human fan - was talking about Being Human on her show (Aidan Turner is also her secret crush).
    And she tweeted just before the start of S4 that she would be watching.
    *starts rocking and smoking pipe, knitting new shawl*

    But I digress - OK Min - I get that - but there are 5 symbols - am I missing somthing here - what is the symbol that looks like two Capital Ls with sticks on them?

  • Comment number 28.

    hey MancVamp, I've just read your comment about the two capital L's, looking back on series one at the start when the woman we presume is Eve puts the third piece of scroll in place, I think the L shapes represent man/woman (look at the symbol for human baby)...of course I could be wrong lol :)

  • Comment number 29.

    Manc! So nice to know my first comment would be replied to! :) It's actually that last symbol that I was musing on and thinking it might be a couple of people.

    And of course there's the mystery with what that Moon symbol with a person(?) in it means. I'm beginning to lean towards the idea that it might mean making a werewolf rather than death of. Perhaps Nina? Or George before he met Mitchell?

  • Comment number 30.

    27 *coughs* that should be 'hear' and not 'here' what happened there I'll never know... and yes I can spell triangle... *rolls eyes*

    25- Hello Catherine and welcome to the blog - hmm a man and a woman standing back-to-back- oh yes! That could be it! ROFL - your OH (other half) should go for a drink with some other OHs of bloggers on this Blog! Erm.. well perhaps not..... 'that awkward moment when...' heh heh

    So lovely to hear from readers and newbies of the Blog - talk to each other and make friends - we all did (that is the one use of 'we' that won't be contested I hope) you are the new generation of BH bloggers - enjoy. x

  • Comment number 31.

    All of these symbols are made up by the writers, right? i'm just wondering why they would make up the double meaning for the triangle if that isn't important. i can't get Africa to fit into any theory though. What do y'all think? Also, what are the OO's someone mentioned earlier? is that an idea of what the new supernatural thing is?

  • Comment number 32.

    Asian vampires would be using ideograms.
    Not runes.

    bUT AGAIN WE KNOW THE SYMBOL OF A PREGNANT WOMAN /werewolf, why would those symboles which are face to face and not the contrary be with one tail inside the other so more than face to face- could be a couple of werewolves, living 'under' the protection? of a vampire and the trinity symbol, hence there is a ghost together inside a house with a baby
    but the moon child/moonwerewolf is dead ...
    would say moon/werewolf is dead

    Annie/ G+N/ Mitchell/ Fuzzy/ Nina dead
    as for knowing when and if WW blood was dangerous, we do not know when Nina was attacked was it just before a change? did she partially change? hence the wear of protective helmets and vizors...

    we have questions for you, lOrd Toby

  • Comment number 33.

    29- :D Yes, it's the symbol of the inner circle within the outer circle at the bottom on the left that puzzles me most - what is it? And what concrete evidence do we have to support it.....

    Still not sure about the triangle - up to now we have:

    1. Africa (on what evidence)
    2. Ship (on what evidence)
    3. Trinity (ghost, werewolf, vampire - on what evidence)

    Perhaps as we go on we might be able to provide evidence.

    Dear Newbies: Lovely MikeyJGall was 1st Assistant director from the crew of the Being Human set (he has lovely feet and we have many pics to prove it!). On Sunday he came on the Blog to surprise us! But here is a pic he sent of filming on the boat for the ADDITIONAL content of the Stoker Boat Trip teaser:


    http://t.co/4pUn8LYn

    Oh, this is Mikey, by the way... :D

  • Comment number 34.

    Hello skraps and Welcome to the Blog. Yep - really good questions -

    Are all these symbols made up by Lord Toby, who is the creator of Being Human or are these symbols based on some ancient language? Good question - I have no idea.

    Africa - no we don't know how it fits in. Inch suggested that Leo, the old werewolf, had an Afican accent (and I agree, sounded like Botswana or Ivory Coast ... oh - never mind....)

    The OOs stands for 'The Old Ones' - they are Vampires that were made a very long time ago. Edgar Wydham was an Old One and Hal is an Old One. More Old Ones are on their way from South America.

    That reminds me - will there be a symbol for South America?

    Off to bed.

    Leaving:
    mugs of steaming hot chocolate for the night shift (and the Mods) freezing here.
    logs for the fire
    hot water bottles
    New shawls (knitted them myself)
    Fingerless gloves...

    x

  • Comment number 35.

    Trinity
    Vampire
    Connection somehow?
    House that they were born into
    Moon?

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  • Comment number 37.

    I think that there are five pieces to the completed scroll,

  • Comment number 38.

    I have been in the shadows of this amazing blog, but felt the time was right to show myself, and jump aboard!
    I can honestly say I have never felt the need to join in, as you all do such a great job at answering anything I may wonder upon. But I had to use this vehicle to pass on my thanks (understatement) to LT and the entire BH team/crew/talent, for giving us the best show on TV. And to also say that series 4 has me just as hooked as ever, and that the next 7 sundays are going to be amazing. So yeah, thankyou.
    I never for once doubted that the series couldnt cope with the losses of such key characters. As strong as they are/were, I believe the writing, the production, and the eye for acting talent was enough to convince me that BH had plenty of life (and death) left in it.
    I was a serious Mitchell fan though. And yes I (a 29 year old bloke) shed tears at his exit... but thats why I love the show. Im a mans man, and little moves me to tears like this show has. Last sunday, it got me again. As soon as I saw the ghost George, I had tears down my cheeks!
    But yeah, I was really only worried about the loss of Mitchell. I felt George and Nina had run their course, and while I would have liked a clip of ghost Nina waiting for George, I accept their time was up.
    "its just the end of my story"
    I love Annie. She is the glue that holds it together. And LC is such an amazing actress, I hope she gets meatier storylines this year. Last series I tired of her a little.
    And Michael Socha as Tom is just awesome. Funny, but striking too. He has that McNair attitude, no-nonsense, no fear. His constant reminders about "such a big arrrs, n all them rooms going spare n that.." were quality. I love the mix in emotions that BH gives us. Up and down like the big dipper!
    But for me, sunday was where I decided how big a hole Mitchell had left. And honestly, after the first 5 minutes, I rarely thought of him, except when his name was brought up by Griffin... and the main reason??
    Hal.
    As soon as he was on screen I was captivated, as I was by Mitchell - awesome writing, awesome acting. I think Im going to love Hal just as much as dear ol John Mitchell.
    The om

  • Comment number 39.

    Hello Ewan (or anyone) - is there a YT version of the intro to the scrolls vid?

    And just to be clear - the fragment we have here is from a different scroll to the one they had in the episode - is that right?

  • Comment number 40.

    Ran out of characters on my phone in my first post, but I was pretty much done anyhoo!
    But had to just say hello to you all, and keep up the amazing blogging!
    I dont think a show this size, not on the major channels, has as big a following as being human. Which tells you all you need to know.
    I even managed to get 4 of my friends who had never seen it to watch last weekend, and all of them are wanting to borrow my boxset to watch it from the start...
    See you another time, but before I go, Im sure that DM mentioned months ago that Hal finds love...? Or maybe it was AG and Cutler..? I may have dreamt it though, I even dream about Barry nowadays!
    Night all!

  • Comment number 41.

    Evening all! finally caught up to the new location!

    @Mitch_Hal - must agree with you re: Damien Moloney. Thought he was outstanding.

    Hal is so interesting and we've barely met him. Think DM will bring such life and nuance and depth to Hal, I'm really looking forward to the series and what Hal is/does/turns out to be....think there is much more to him than we've been led to believe....

    think the same about Future Girl - don't think she's Eve. Perhaps she is someone fighting for humanity/wolves and got hold of the scrolls.
    Perhaps Eve began this war, or escalated it to what it is in 2037, and Future Girl now knows Eve must die to stop the coming devastation of the world.....

    seems too....easy and conclusive....that Future Girl is Eve, and TW is an expert at misdirection. (thank goodness!)

    @ewan - thank you for the link. Did enjoy Dewi - hoping he returns in later episodes...

  • Comment number 42.

    Thanks Ewan, I couldn't find that clip on youtube earlier.

  • Comment number 43.

    @39

    Yes the fragment here is different from scrolls we saw in the episode.

  • Comment number 44.

    Actually thinking about it why would the vampires send such precious artefacts anywhere during an invasion,military logic would dictate that your protect valuable information to stop the enemy using it against you.
    That being said vampires do have rather a high opinion of themselves,their most important thing seems to be "whats in it for me ",this is what leads to their demise at a young age.
    To achieve "Old One " status in years requires brains as well as luck.

  • Comment number 45.

    @billybunter
    Regus mentionned 5 dreams and the scrolls- 2 with Regus and possibly the Regus ones + Eve new scrolls are reported as detailing the 'last one' dream
    Who knows, possibly all the dreams were recorded on human skin scrolls!
    @mancvamp
    we know the significance of the ideograms from what regus said in the episode- yes some of us took notes

    by the way
    @mistress denton
    @mods
    @bloggers

    good morning, what a good day yesterday: Dewi then the 1st scroll-
    We cannot rule out that the dreams - stuff of legends- record real future events just like they may be meaningless

  • Comment number 46.

    @saintixe56
    What i was referring to about the scrolls was that we have seen only three pieces in the episode and we have the above piece,which i think fits in at the top to the two pieces Regus had.The above piece was also missing from "the woman`s" three pieces.
    Hope this solves my previous entry.
    Is it me or does Caradoc`s photo remind you of anyone from the show (George),if its only me,i`m off to Specsavers,need sleep,not more black coffee.

  • Comment number 47.

    Ermm..... just a little note regus said that the pyramid was africa and the trinity yes? well the OO were coming from Sierra Leone.

  • Comment number 48.

    Had a 'couldn't be that' thought but anyway.

    The known are
    The Triangle = Trinity
    The Axe = Vampire
    the Tomb with the cross = Place of birth.

    What if the circles meaning Moon = werewolves circles Moon line intersected changes due to.
    and the interlocked thing I don't know how to describe means Ghost reflection of what once was.

    A child born to werewolves in the house of a Ghost, Vampire and Werewolf.

    but it wouldn't be that would it?

  • Comment number 49.

    @ewan and @billybunter

    we know from Regus the original vampires had five dreams and Regus scrolls are about the last final dream, right?
    what if ... yes it is an If but why not, the other four dreams had also been recorded ... on scrolls
    we have see the 2 first scrolls and the shape of the above scroll does not fit the original 2. It is a right angle but the shape does not match the rest. Sierra Leone is a good read, is it Africa, now that is yet undecided as far as triangle goes and do not forget the Regus scroll for the other trinity is three triangles inside a larger triangle so could be a real trinty opposed to the first one?
    Finally I am not convinced that the bit given to the Woman of the Future - ok from now on she will be FW is really the right missing it. There is quite a lot missing on the human skin department if you look at it

  • Comment number 50.

    Morning All! Morning Mods!

    38/40 Mitch_Hal That was a really moving comment for me and a really interesting perspective, welcome to the blog. A word of warning -if you lend that box set out - you'll never get it back! :D

    44 - billybunter - yes, that got me thinking too. And I totally agree that to reach OO status takes brains, not luck. It's a good point and one that is overlooked. If we are to meet OOs then they will be as sharp as their pointy fangs in the grey matter, I expect.

    Howlingblue and Ewan - sorry are we saying that the triangle is Africa or Trinity or both or we don't know - that is to say - Regus didn't know when he said Africa or Trinity. I don't think a symbol can stand for two things. I think it's Africa. But if it is Africa then it's upside-down. Or rather the map is upside-down. (the flat bit should be at the top)

    What was the 'couldn't be that' thought please Ewan?

  • Comment number 51.

    Are we here today? I've just had three blogs to catch up on. Driving me nuts. Have I missed the Ryan pics? ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  • Comment number 52.

    Morning Bloggers! Morning Mods! Morning Rebecca!

    Right, had a look at this scroll and here goes my tuppence worth - starting top left and working anti-clockwise:

    One of two things - either signifies a time when the OOs will come from South Africa OR the supernatural trinity. I don't think this option necessarily means ghost, ww and vampire but three supernaturals who represent Father, Son and Holy Ghost - that is God or more generally goodness.

    Next up, I think this sign represents a female and male (female to the left, male to the right).

    Then we have sign for the moon with sign for female superimposed on it - so woman of the moon - Eve perhaps?

    Then we have the house where the child was born

    And lastly vampires.

    So I think this scroll is telling of a time when there will be a supernatural trinity consisting of a male and female with the third member being a vampire (I think this is important becase the vampire will be going against the OOs). They will live in the house where the child saviour was born and the child will be a female ww.

    Rubbish?

  • Comment number 53.

    Manc I was saying the translation couldn't be simple as.

    In the house of a Ghost Vampire and Werewolves the child is born

  • Comment number 54.

    If we understood the reasoning behind the symbols we know the meaning of, it might help us to understand the ones we don't. The triangle and trinity is clear, house with baby is fine, but why are the vamps that double axe symbol?

  • Comment number 55.

    54 - The two brothers? Or Janus?

  • Comment number 56.

    Hello Sea, Saint and Sasha!

    Yes, good point Sea - why would a symbol for Vampire look like an axe? That reminds me of the Scottish Coroner - "...here comes the axe to chop off your head.." I loved him.
    Oh right Ewan - oh yes, totally agree on that one. I think the symbol of the two L shapes interlinked could stand for twins.

    Going to have a read of Ruby's story if I can find it!

    Sea, one of Ryan's pics is in my comment on Russell Tovey's tribute blog. Lovely pic.

  • Comment number 57.

    Sasha my point is that its odd that such specific information as where the OO were coming from is just dropped in a conversation. Then Regus indicates that the pyramid could be either Africa or Trinity both of which have a place in the plot. Could be just a mcguffin to mess with our collective heads.

  • Comment number 58.

    @sasha

    why rubbish? certainly not
    I think the point of the triangle is significant would say upside down is more likely to be Africa , but can see still the trinity angle now, the 'aspect as normal presentation' of the triangle , what is its significance???
    @howling blue
    you are brilliant, Africa - we were focusing on the shape of the continent and forgot the shape of the pyramid- fitting whith herrick comment on pharaohs in the pilot...

  • Comment number 59.

    significance of... the bites marks - relevant or not?
    relevant - bearing in mind they come by two teeth marks- would 2 bites mean 2 years/twenty years? - is it time or distance?

    Then there is the angle of the storyline, here at 45degrees
    + do we read from left to right or right to left??? And is it up to down or the opposite?
    as for the location of the nipple , is it also relevant or not?
    Nipple would be expected on skin scrolls but is location of nipple significant to storyline as symbol of the birth taking place??? Plus some bites have been 'actionned' twice!

  • Comment number 60.

    Reading from left to right, up to down and location sign being significant in terms of hierachy and tooth marks significant
    There was a trinity- for 2 years/2 bites under the guidance of a vampire/ vamp sign higher up than trinity, vampire father figure? then a year later/1 bite- as in the third year, - two werewolves loved each other, or gave birth/ nipple interference/ and a baby was born or was to be born in that house/to that trinity.
    Then a werewolf died? male? female? during a change? as we can see werewolf in the moon sign laying flat with a worrying vertical symbol through it (McNair? killed by knife) but could be George as it was during a change however unperfect it was…

  • Comment number 61.

    46 I don't think this fragment is meant to be the missing piece from the scroll in the episode. On the Intro to the Scrolls blog it says:

    "Last night we were introduced to a set of scrolls that foretold one of the five vampire legends - The War Child.

    Online, we will release a second set of scrolls, and it's up to you to decode and decipher the meaning. As the series rolls along - can you unpick the mystery?"

    One of the other dreams perhaps?

  • Comment number 62.

    Hello! Being an archaeologist, I've been intrigued by the symbols and was struck by the double axe one. It's quite an ancient symbol and has got quite a history (and controversy!). Might be entirely irrelevant but an interesting choice of symbol to represent vampires with! Here's a link to some background info:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_axe

  • Comment number 63.

    Was looking at episode again, specifically sequence with scrolls being decoded. He says that these are two pieces of a parchment that has been split into three. Well all I can say is it must be skin from the Incredible Hulk - it's huge.

    61 - Hi Sage. You're right - it isn't the third and missing part of the scroll we've seen. I (pathetically, I know) took a picture of the screen when the third part is put in place by Eve(?) and it isn't the same as the one on this blog entry.

  • Comment number 64.

    What symbols can i work out

    1. Vampires
    2. The house the baby was born into
    3. Supernaturals

    And i have no idea for the others

    "Information, Your funny"

  • Comment number 65.

    examples of "ideograms".
    The character set is broken into different categories ):

    Pictographic ideograms or pictograms -- characters that adhere most to the pictorial origins of the word-form surviving from Bronze-age, e.g. the characters for "human", "big", "mountain", "mouth" and "sun", which are easily recognisable as straightforward pictorial derivations ;

    Pictographic-phonetic compound ideograms -- the combination of pictograms or pictographic parts with the intended phonetic properties to create a new character that phonetically mimicks the intended sound of the new word, e.g. the character for "bark", which combines the pictogram "mouth" as the radical with the pictogram for "dog

  • Comment number 66.

    Good day everyone......

    A spoiler free review for E2....

    http://cultfix.co.uk/being-human-1955-review-16405.htm

  • Comment number 67.

    64 - Hi Saffz. That's Cutler to Dewi.

    In mythology vampires could fly. Maybe the vampire sign is just showing the vampire having spread it's wings?

    I think I may be losing the plot now!

  • Comment number 68.

    @timeandtide

    more sinister significance to the double axe, known as double francisca

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_Arms_of_the_French_State.svg
    was used by the Vichy state

    carrying on with explaining the significance of ideograms- thanks to wikipedia

    Inferential ideograms -- the combination of pictograms or pictographic parts to create a new character that pictorially mimicks the intended meaning of the new word, e.g. the character for "love", which combines the pictograms for "heart" as the radical with the pictogram for "receive"; the character for "sharp", which combines the pictogram "small" at the top with the pictogram for "big" at the bottom; or the character for "room", which combines the pictogram for "household" overarching the pictogram for "square";

  • Comment number 69.

    Referential ideograms -- characters that are developed with specific reference to particular entities or events in the "outside" world, whose meanings could not be simply and straightforwardly traced pictorially, phonetically, or inferentially through the internal meaning structure of the ideogram itself, e.g. the character for "clock", which combines the pictogram for "gold" (or "metal") with the pictogram for "children";

    Associative-transformative ideograms -- characters that are developed through the association, twisting, or wholesale transformation of the original referent meanings of the constituent ideograms, so that an extra layer of meaning is created over and above its constituent parts;

    and we have not started on 'sound' as the sound of the word and the sound one langage gives it!!!

  • Comment number 70.

    The two far eastern vampires that Dewi was with and Tom staked. They had long white hair indicating age? Wouldnt it be fun if they had been the original two. Impossible I know but that would take the wind out of the OO sails for sure. Loving the being human site by the way.

  • Comment number 71.

    last and final type of ideograms

    whoever in the cast was it who had to invent those scrolls must have had a fun time!

    plus spoiler free yep yep
    http://www.cultbox.co.uk/reviews/episodes/2948-being-human-series-4-episode-2-spoiler-free-review

  • Comment number 72.

  • Comment number 73.

    Hi blog! Been a while!

    One question: could Leo be from Trinidad?

  • Comment number 74.

    After a few seasons any show is likely to jump the shark. What I find impressive about being human is that it's decided to take it that much further. What they've pretty much done is set up the normal shark tank, placed 15 cars filled with catholic school children on either side, lined up a firing squad on each sideline, and strapped the show into an Evil Kenevil outfit... when the air date hit they slapped the now helmeted show on the arse, sent it on it's way, and ignited the cars... as the show left the initial ramp and slowly floated over the shark tank for a final insult a rpg was pulled and shot directly downwards into the tank, eviscerating the shark before the show landed short, flying into bits as it crushed hopes, dreams, and school children. Bravo BBC, bravo.

  • Comment number 75.

    49 - The triangle shape with the three smaller triangles inside means Death on the final scroll.

    For those saying that it might mean a child is born of werewolves in a house where a werewolf, vampire and ghost live I think that sounds too close to the story in the final scroll in the episode to be correct.

  • Comment number 76.

    Still musing on the two bottom symbols, the two interlocked one could stand for Friendship? (People close together). The Vampire symbol is over the Moon symbol with a person symbol within it, (maybe standing for a person being made a werewolf). George? He had only been a werewolf for six months when he met Mitchell.

    So a vampire is watching over a new werewolf in a house with a ghost (completing the Trinity)...and they're friends. Hmm. What do you think?

  • Comment number 77.

    Hello all!
    Loads of different opinions on what the symbols mean. Many people are saying the same thimgs for a couple, then there are a couple that could have multiple meanings. If only we could have a slight clue...

  • Comment number 78.

    I'm back. Ruby's chapter 22 was Awesome!

    Catching up now -

    62- timeandtide - that is genius - thanks for the link.
    So now we now that this double-axe symbol DOES exist in real life.
    And now this symbol is called labrys and could represent female or matriachal power
    Well, I'm sorry - but that means Annie..... Regus is just wrong if he said it means 'vampires'

    63 - Hi Sasha! @bbcbeinghuman have tweeted to say that this is the first of 8 (yep - eight) scrolls to be deciphered! And Abslom_Deek (from the crew of BH set) tweeted to say that he hopes we were taking notes on Sunday! Taking notes? ...writing a flamin' thesis here..............

    By the way, tonight Damien Molony (Hal) can be seen in the National Theatre play, 'Travelling Light' which will be streamed into cinemas up and down the country at 7pm - so check out your local cinema if you want to see it (but I know that many cinemas are already sold out!)

  • Comment number 79.

    ...... Rest assured we will guide you if you go too far wrong. But you're so tantalizingly close......

  • Comment number 80.

    Manc I was going to see Travelling light at my local cinema but I couldn't get there and there wasonly 2 seats left. I was VERY upset!! :(

    I have at last downloaded Lion by Eugene McGuinness (trailer music) it is brilliant. Thanks again Aqua.

  • Comment number 81.

    74 - BeingHumanisDead *KEELS OVER AND DIES LAUGHING*! Funniest comment EVER on this Blog! Bravo indeed! And Welcome to the Blog!
    73 - Hiya Fleem - no, don't think Leo is from Trinidad (Trinity in English) he doesn't have a Carribean accent - would be a nice idea though.

    Hello Min! Hello lozzie!

    Look perhaps we should just cheat and ask timeandtide to take the scolls down to her University department and work on them..... No? Oh well... just us then!

  • Comment number 82.

    78 - Eight scrolls - oh my head hurts. I have read so much about the Labrys this afternoon it just isn't funny Manc.

    78 - Hi Rebecca - right then, who is tantalizingly closest :-)

    80- I downloaded it last night too Lozzie. Great isn't it.

  • Comment number 83.

    Sasha, yeah ts great ive listened to it 5 time and i downloaded it about 10 mins ago.

    Rebecca, who is the closest or are you going to be mean and not tell us? Please tell us!!

  • Comment number 84.

    Leo is from Africa isnt he........??

    74@ Laughed out loud reading that.......

    Now could Pearl & Leo have been engaged/married before her death...maybe she is waiting for Leo before she passes through her door or possibly needs some kind of closure with Leo regarding their relationship........Maybe Leo was going to marry her before she died.....ooo ooo ooo Maybe Leo killed her by accident......I love playing the "what if" game...!!!

  • Comment number 85.

    82.
    83.

    As the runes are released, and the series progresses, you will learn more, and things will be more clear. Don't expect to have all the answers at once.

    And keep going! x

  • Comment number 86.

    85 - Was only joking - it's more fun trying to work it out - honest it is :-) And I'm sorry, but keep going? Some of us won't stop until the mystery is solved or our head blows off our shoulders, whichever comes first! x

  • Comment number 87.

    @sasha....

    ROFL!!! Brilliant. x

  • Comment number 88.

    86 - ROFL! If only Rebecca knew that this time you weren't joking! ahaha!

    85 - Hello Rebecca! *waving* be sure to EAT dinner! We don't want you wasting away! Hey - I said Runes! :D

    84 Hiya Caradoc - you are apparently the most famous Cardiff Blogger in the BH Universe at the mo! Yup. Ha! I love playing the 'what if' game toooo. Damn it - what was the timeline in the Hal and Leo prequel? Because Pearl is definitely - what - well let's say post first world war. Naa - think she was in the house when they got there - same as Annie was. But was hilarious!

  • Comment number 89.

    So what I could work out is vampire and trinity... And Bishop hat.

  • Comment number 90.

    the werewolf sign has a raised tail not a horizontal tail
    hence while the werewolf on the moon sign is a ww
    the dual symbol face to face/back to back
    could be either two 'brothers-in arms' or 'two brothers who look at each other as ennemies'

  • Comment number 91.

    88 - Hal and Leo prequel was 1955 Manc and I agree that she was probably *living* in the house above the barber shop before they got there. Have looked at fashions from the 50s and her clothes could be early 50s I think.

    Maybe it isn't a random thing in that Mitchell found George and then moved into PH with Annie too. Hal finds Leo and moves into house with Pearl. Maybe this is a theme that has run through the ages?

  • Comment number 92.

    Just a quick Being Human related tangent here. Did anyone just watch The Chase? Because there was a question towards the end and it was "Aiden Turner was an actor portraying a vampire in which BBC drama?" I felt very chuffed that I obviously got that one and that a Being Human question came up XD

  • Comment number 93.

    90 - Hi Saint. I thought the dual symbol might be female and male. If you look at the different pieces of scroll where it shows a pregnancy, the *bump* is always on the left hand side of the symbol - therefore the symbol which is *looking* to the right is a male? Oh I can't explain this, I wish I could put the symbols up
    -/
    /_

    is female and

    ..../-
    _/

    is male.

    OK Rebecca - head almost at lift off here!

  • Comment number 94.

    93 - ROFL at that post - oh I am sooooo in need of medical attention!

  • Comment number 95.

    @sasha
    got it the female sign is the taller one... taller??? but Nina was way smaller than George???
    OR IS IT tall werewolf sex irrelevant and small werewolf
    then love/as the breast then baby in the house and one ww died?
    and if you rotate the scroll to the left you see a rather crude scene depecting a WW sex act??? YES omg AND THEN THE NIPPLE AND THE BABY IN THE HOUSE!

  • Comment number 96.

    and our dead werewolf is to be read
    kill the moon child, kill the werewolf because you see a target teh werewolf is the target!

  • Comment number 97.

    Having looked at photographs of my mum when she was young, dressed up and ready to 'party' at local dances, I can say that Pearls' outfit and hairstyle are in keeping with the early 50's but also could be the late 40s as the post war styles not that different.
    How she met up with Leo and Hal I'm hoping will be revealed on Sunday.....loving that trio, Hal, Leo and Pearl: they've loved and cared for each other for 50 years....Hal saying gooodbye to them ( or one of them) is going to be heartbreaking.....*note to self....get a larger box of tissues for Sunday*

    Sorry...I have no interest in deciphering the scrolls...I want that sort of 'wow' to come from the series itself...but good luck to those of you who find that sort of thing interesting.

    What I do find interesting is the additional vids like the one on Dewi.....I'd also love to see some 'behind the scenes ' action if any of that is available Rebecca...no worries and no pressure!

  • Comment number 98.

    @dorina

    no problem
    agreeing with you
    looked at my mother wedding picture , parents got married in june '55 and aht is exactly the style og Mummy's dress, Hairstyle fitting too, if you wanted your hair long

    @mistress denton
    sequence goes
    there was a supernatural trinity/ (with a vampire as a father figure- at top of trinity?)
    two werewolves had sex/ and a baby was born to the household
    (and the vampires as top species decided to kill the child of the moon which was going to be a werewolf?)
    and

  • Comment number 99.

    Hello Dorina! *waving* I'd go for late 40s to very early 50s
    Thanks - I'm very much enjoying the scrolls game!
    It was nice to see Phil and Phil on the backstage vid on the Russell Tovey/George Tribute Blog! They haven't changed a bit! I wonder if that was our new Make-Up lady in the vid - Helen?

    Sasha - so that symbol represents 'a couple' or 'lovers'? hmmm twirls Sasha's moustache.... ?:^{

  • Comment number 100.

    So how goes the translations?

 

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