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BBC Online's top level directories

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Erik Huggers Erik Huggers | 12:59 UK time, Monday, 29 March 2010

The thrust of our recent strategy submission to the Trust on BBC Online is that we need to do fewer things better. We know that the parts of BBC Online that our users really value are significant, coherent, regularly updated and provide a great marriage of content and technology. Products like News, CBBC and iPlayer all have these characteristics; we want much more of the site to have them in future.

A symptom of our previous, less focussed, approach is the number of top level directories - we have on BBC Online, some 400 (this does not include the many re-directs we set up to make it easy to promote sites in our broadcasts). A number of people have asked us to publish the list and anyone who is interested can access it at the end of the extended entry of this post or as a .txt file here.

I know some have questioned the importance of this number, among them the Guardian newspaper. However, tackling the symptom of a problem does provide a real incentive to change, and in meeting the tld challenge we are reviewing the entire site from top to bottom. As a result, we willl be making some tough decisions about what we want to commit to in future, and what not.

The review will, of course, go beyond top level directories and cover all parts of BBC Online. We'll look at every major section of the site and ask three questions: does it meet our public purposes; does it fit one of the BBC's five editorial priorities; how does it perform in terms of reach, quality, impact and value for money? The Trust is currently consulting on the proposed strategy for the BBC, which includes proposals about how BBC Online should develop in the future. Once the Trust has set the overall strategy for the BBC we will begin to make major changes to BBC Online in line with this.

Then there is the question of what to do with sites to which we no longer wish to commit resources. For some time now we have been mothballing older sites like bbc.co.uk/testthenation so that users understand that we are not keeping them up to date. That is fine for now, but the user experience on these sites will inevitably degrade over time, especially as we upgrade the infrastructure which powers BBC Online - due over the course of the next year. So for sites that we don't want to modernise or simply delete, there is a question about the best way to archive them for future generations and we are looking at the options now. If anyone has a solution to this, we'd be pleased to hear from them.

Erik Huggers is Director, BBC Future Media & Technology.

BBC Online's top level directories (re-directs have not been included):


http://www.bbc.co.uk/159/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/21cc/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/5livesportsextra/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/80faiths/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/abolition/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/actionline/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/africabeyond/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/explorerflash/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/alba/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/albanian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/amazingmrspritchard/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/amazon/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/animalrescuelive/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/annefrank/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/annualreport/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/antiques/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/apprentice/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arabic/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ashestoashes/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/asiannetwork/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/atlantic/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/atw/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/atwork/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/autumnwatch/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/a-z/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/azeri/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/backpage/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bang/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/barefacts/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfilms/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbchd/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcpartners/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/index.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcwildlifefund/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/beauty/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/beinghuman/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bengali/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bigcat/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bigfinish/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/biggerpicture/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bigscreens/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bigtoe/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blast/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bloom/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blueprint/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bonekickers/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bornsurvivors/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/borntowin/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/britain/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/britainfromabove/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/britishfashion/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/britishfilm/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/britishstylegenius/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/broadcastinghouse/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bulgarian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/burmese/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/casualty/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/celebdaq/closed.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/charityappeals/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/onlinesafety/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/chelsea/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/children/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/chinesefoodmadeeasy/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cityspace/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/clone/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/colinandcumberland/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/collective/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comeandhaveago/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedymap/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedyshuffle/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedysoup/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/communicate/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/composers/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/concertfordiana/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/connectinginacrisis/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/creativearchive/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crimewatch/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crimewatchroadshow/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/croatian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/czech/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dancingonwheels/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dannywallace/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/darwin/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/design/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/desktopmcenroe/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/digital/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/displayoptions/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dnaimages/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dropzone/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/earthexplorers/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastmidlandstoday/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/electricdreams/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/electricproms/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/endofstory/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/entertainment/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/eurovision/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/falconbeach/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fameacademy/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/familyhistory/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/faq/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedfactory/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/film/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/filmfestival/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/filmnetwork/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fmtchristmascard/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/focusonafricamagazine/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/footballacademy/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/french/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/gardening/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/genius/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/glastonbury/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/glow/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/greatbritishjourneys/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/greatlakes/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/greek/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidance/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hamlet/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hamptoncourt/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/handsonnature/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hardchristmas/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hardspell/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hausa/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/headroom/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/help/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/historyofthebbc/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/holiday/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/homearchive/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/homes/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/horneandcorden/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hungarian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ictcoach/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/indianfoodmadeeasy/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/indiapakistan/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/indonesia/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/informationandarchives/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/intheknow/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iraqcons/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/irish/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/joseph/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/journalism/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/juniorfootball/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/justthetwoofus/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kazakh/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/keyskills/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kyrgyz/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/labrats/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/labuk/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ladies/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lastchancetosee/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lastchoirstanding/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lastmanstanding/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lastmillionaire/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/latekickoff/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/later/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/latitude/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learning/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningdevelopment/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningoverview/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/letsdance/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lifegivers/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lifeonmars/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lifestyle/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lilyallen/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/littledorrit/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liveearth/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool08/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/localtv/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/longwaydown/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lookeast/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/looknorth/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/looknorthhull/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/looknorthnecumbria/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/looknorthyorkslincs/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/lottery/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/macedonian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/madeinengland/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/maria/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/massive/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediabank/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacenter/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/medialiteracy/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/merlin/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/midlandstoday/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mischief/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/missingmodel/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mistresses/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mountain/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/movelikemichaeljackson/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/movies/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/multicast/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/murdermostfamous/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mysciencefictionlife/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mystory/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nationonfilm/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/naturescalendar/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/naturesgreatevents/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/naturestop40/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nazer/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nepali/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsletters/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newtalent/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nohome/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northwesttonight/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/oceans/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/oliver/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/olympicsnewsletter/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/onlinesafety/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ontologies/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/opensource/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/openweekend/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/opstest/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/orchestras/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/otr/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/palin/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parentsoftheband/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pashto/index.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pdanews

http://www.bbc.co.uk/peoplesquiz/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/performingartsfund/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/personalaffairs/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/photography/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pinball/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/poetryseason/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pointswest/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/polish/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/politics97/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/portuguese/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/portugueseafrica/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/privacy/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/psychoville/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pudsey/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio7/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radiocymru/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radiofoyle/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radionangaidheal/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/raw/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/readingandleeds/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/realhustle/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/rednoseday/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/relationships/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/remembrance/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/robertburns/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/robinhood/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/romanian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/rugbyacademy/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/safeguardingtrust/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/safety/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schoolradio/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scissorhands/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/serbian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/signsoflife/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sing/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/singers/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sinhala/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sitcom/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/skillswise/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/slovak/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/slovene/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/solarsystem/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/solent/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/somali/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/soundstart/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southeasttoday/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southerncounties/index.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southtoday/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/speaker/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/spookscode9/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sportrelief/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sportsummit/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/spotlight/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/springwatch/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/stats/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/streetdoctor/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlydancefever/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/summerofbritishfilm/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sundaylife/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/supplying/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/swahili/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/switch/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tajik/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tamil/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tattonpark/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tellinglives/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/terms/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tess/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/testthenation/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/thai/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneandonly/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/thepassion/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/thewall/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/thread/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/thrillseeker/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tickets/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchwood/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tours/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelmon/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/trexxandflipside/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tribe/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/truthaboutcrime/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/turkce/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tvarchivetrial/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tvmoments/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tvpbitratetest/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/underdogshow/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/upstaged/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/uzbek/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/victorianchristmas/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/videogaiden/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/vietnamese/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/villagesos/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/virtualrevolution/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wannabes/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/webwise/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/whenwillibefamous/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/white/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/widgets/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wild/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wildaboutyourgarden/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wildlifefinder/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wma/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldclass/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/writersroom/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wrongdoor/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/youngmusician/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/yourcountryneedsyou/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/zombies/

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    You probably want to remove from that list…

    A lot of those directories relate to specific programmes. Redirects into would make a lot of sense for those.

  • Comment number 2.

    Please ensure that /journalism remains in place. Anyone hitting the delete button erroneously or deliberately will have my mother to deal with.

  • Comment number 3.

    RE; archiving/maintenance of older pages....Couldn't you use the Internet Archive/Way Back Machine (http://www.archive.org) to archive your old pages and for a short while on those sites you want to remove, just redirect visitors there, via a suitable information page?

  • Comment number 4.

    Don't forget /ukchina/simp, /zhongwen/simp, /zhongwen/trad.

    Here's a more compact and stylish set of TLDs for /programmes:
    http://web.archive.org/web/19970428154414/www.bbc.co.uk/index/progs.html

  • Comment number 5.

    I just had to look at the /zombies directory!
    I must have missed that documentary.

  • Comment number 6.

    It would be great if you could link to the original shows in iPlayer.

  • Comment number 7.

    There are a number of others that live on the news.bbc.co.uk domain, such as the following:
    /cbbcnews
    /democracylive
    /local
    /newsbeat
    /onthisday
    /sport
    + more.

    The BBC News Website has lived under http://news.bbc.co.uk/ since launch, but we have always used www.bbc.co.uk/news as the promotional URL.

  • Comment number 8.

    It must be a nightmare with big sites like the BBC deciding what to do with old pages. I remember poking around the site a few years ago and still finding a page hierarchy from a general election during the very early days of the BBC web site - simple hand written HTML etc!

    Surely, though, it's possible to come up with a defined standard for some form of shell or header that would show an old page from the modern era (if that's not an oxymoron!) to be in an "archive" condition. The problem then is what to do with all the external links which might no longer exist either.

    Is it not possible to use a BBC web crawler (a la Google) to keep an eye on these links and substitute a dead link placeholder when they disappear?

    That would seem to take care of most things...

  • Comment number 9.

    What's the problem with having an archive.bbc.co.uk/ server where old sites can go when they die?

    This would be a very clear signal that the site is no longer active, without the need to remove a very, very useful archive.

    Would make redirects very simple.

  • Comment number 10.

    As someone who doesn't always understand the jargon, I'd like to seek some clarification as to one of the 'top level directories' listed above - the Ouch! site. Does this mean the messageboard is closing as well?

  • Comment number 11.

    KizzyKazaer: No, this is just a complete list of all the sites that are www.bbc.co.uk/something and I think provides an idea of the scope of what the BBC is involved in. As far as I'm aware, nothing has been decided about what's not of 'public value', but you can be pretty sure Ouch! is safe. It caters to an important and commercially unrepresented minority - most likely one the rest of the media industry has little interest in providing content for.

  • Comment number 12.

    Ah, good old /dannywallace/. Now there was a waste of taxpayer's money that the Daily Mail would have loved to have got their teeth into.

    /bonekickers/ too :-) another one of the skeletons in the closet (no pun intended) that the beeb should breathe a sigh of relief over getting rid of... and burying in a dark hole never to be seen again... marked only with a pile of its rotting (rotten) scripts... laid in the shape of a sword.

  • Comment number 13.

    It's worth noting that regional news websites are already in the process of moving to /programmes, for instance /lookeast now redirects to http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj5w

    I think with some of the old programmes which have long been axed it may be best to create a page or two in the /programmes database, with the top level directory redirecting to this location, particularly for 'non-factual' programmes. For old other sites the hosting them on an archive sub-domain as suggested by Briantist would work fairly well.

    It would be nice when programme sites do get revamped if a bit of time could be spent on also updating the older content so that there is some continuity and preferably less duplicate content. For instance with the recently revamped Doctor Who website http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw (which uses/trials the new layout) there is still http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/s4/ for the previous series, and also http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/index.shtml for the first three series (which has since been recreated on the series 4 site). An example of three different page layouts with content duplication.

  • Comment number 14.

    I agree that programme based directories should redirect into /programmes.

    I also think that it makes sense for tv & radio station directories to be under /programmes. Surely the url /programmes/schedules/radio4/fm would be far more intuitive than /radio4/programmes/schedules/fm?

    It would also be nice to have a bit of consistency when picking what language urls are in. Why are the directories for Scots Gaelic and Welsh to be found at /alba and /cymru (urls in Scots Gaelic and Welsh respectively), when the directory for Irish is at /irish (url in English)?
    You should decide whether to use English urls or the language of directory consistently (and redirect from the other).

  • Comment number 15.

    Having read over a lot of the comments I'm actually feeling rather embarrassed about the sites I *used* to work on. I put quite a lot of effort into them ... ;) hey ho.

  • Comment number 16.

    Just to say that archiving strategy needs to be strategic as the BBC has discovered before on audio vision and and paper. The experts in so far as there are any are of course in The Archives. The point is the BBC is part of 'history' as well as being a WPB and filing cabinet. My view is this not a Management issue but a Trust issue.

  • Comment number 17.

    Seems to me that one of the biggest growth areas of BBC Online is the number of blogs. I count approximately 215 current ones. It will be interesting to see how the sequence of the three lenses (public purposes, editorial priorities, RQIV) will be applied to them.

    Somehow I can't help thinking there needs to be a fourth lens: connection and relevance to BBC programmes and content.

    Russ

  • Comment number 18.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 19.

    I rather like how bbc.co.uk has some dusty, untouched corners. They cost nothing to run, and it's fairly obvious that they're not being updated, but are of interest all the same. Sites like /election97 are an artifact of how the campaign was run, and if you know where to look you can find Radio 1's Glastonbury 99 pages.

    I rather like Briantist's idea of an archive.bbc.co.uk site - perhaps a creaky old server that's not taking up quite so many resources, where old pages can degrade gracefully.

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    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

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    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 22.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

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    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

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    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 25.

    In response to the BBC Trust's response (pages 39 to 42 refer), has the BBC Executive now submitted its final proposals for re-shaping BBC Online?

    Russ

  • Comment number 26.

    Russ - you may find this post from Erik Huggers in August of interest.

  • Comment number 27.

    Thanks, Nick, I had read that one, but I can't say I was much enlightened by its message. In fact, I was confused, and I await news of how the online product of 'Radio+Music' is to be further articulated. Eric Huggers notes that radio and music online remain highly fragmented, whereas the commenters on that blog seem to be of the view that any lack of coherence is a natural and perhaps desirable reflection of the online world and the way it works.

    I found Eric Huggers' comment about the audience not moving between websites (external or internal) as much as the BBC would like interesting, if only because I find it contrary to my personal behaviour. How does the BBC go about quantifying how much we 'move around'?

    Russ

  • Comment number 28.

    There are a number of alternative options available to you, including:
    * creating an archive and storing them in there (eg bbc.co.uk/archive)
    * leaving them alone as it is unlikely that they cause any real issues just being there.

    The BBC is claiming that this is a cost cutting exercise however it must be noted that the sites themselves take a little under 2 gigabytes, which in hard drive terms would cost a one off payment not much more than around 12p to retain forever (assuming a server has a 1 terabyte (1000 gigabytes) drive which can readily be purchased for around £60 then that would work out at 6 pence per gigabyte of storage).

    The BBC already has servers for its existing web pages, so in actual monetary terms there would be no charge at all to keep the archives on an existing drive.

    I have some 20 years previous experience with internet servers myself and find that the BBC is placing itself in an untenable position when the actual facts are clearly understood.

    The BBC claiming this is a cost cutting exercise is disingenuous in the extreme as it would actually cost more to get one of their team to do the removal work than it would cost to store it forever.

    As a final note, please see http://www.themindrobber.co.uk/deleted-doctor-who-episodes.html for a visual guide of the BBC and their costcutting - they systematically deleted a large number of tapes containing early Doctor Who episodes which are now unfortunately lost forever, again in the name of costcutting.

  • Comment number 29.

    I wish to ask that the BBC do not discard the websites.

    There are a number of alternative options available to them, including:
    * creating an archive and storing them in there (eg bbc.co.uk/archive)
    * leaving them alone as it is unlikely that they cause any real issues just being there.

    The BBC is claiming that this is a cost cutting exercise however it must be noted that the sites themselves take a little under 2 gigabytes, which in hard drive terms would cost a one off payment not much more than around 12p to retain forever (assuming a server has a 1 terabyte (1000 gigabytes) drive which can readily be purchased for around £60 then that would work out at 6 pence per gigabyte of storage).

    The BBC already has servers for its existing web pages, so in actual monetary terms there would be no charge at all to keep the archives on an existing drive.

    I have some 20 years previous experience with internet servers myself and find that the BBC is placing itself in an untenable position when the actual facts are clearly understood.

    The BBC claiming this is a cost cutting exercise is disingenuous in the extreme as it would actually cost more to get one of their team to do the removal work than it would cost to store it forever.

    As a final note, please consider another episode of the BBC and their costcutting - they systematically deleted a large number of tapes containing early Doctor Who episodes which are now unfortunately lost forever, again in the name of costcutting.

  • Comment number 30.

    I wish to ask that the BBC do not discard the websites.

    There are a number of alternative options available to them, including:
    * creating an archive and storing them in there (eg /archive)
    * leaving them alone as it is unlikely that they cause any real issues just being there.

    The BBC is claiming that this is a cost cutting exercise however it must be noted that the sites themselves take a little under 2 gigabytes, which in hard drive terms would cost a one off payment not much more than around 12p to retain forever (assuming a server has a 1 terabyte (1000 gigabytes) drive which can readily be purchased for around £60 then that would work out at 6 pence per gigabyte of storage).

    The BBC already has servers for its existing web pages, so in actual monetary terms there would be no charge at all to keep the archives on an existing drive.

    I have some 20 years previous experience with internet servers myself and find that the BBC is placing itself in an untenable position when the actual facts are clearly understood.

    The BBC claiming this is a cost cutting exercise is disingenuous in the extreme as it would actually cost more to get one of their team to do the removal work than it would cost to store it forever.

    As a final note, please consider another episode of the BBC and their costcutting - they systematically deleted a large number of tapes containing early Doctor Who episodes which are now unfortunately lost forever, again in the name of costcutting.

 

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