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Ian Myatt Ian Myatt | 15:30 UK time, Wednesday, 19 August 2009

It was a proud day last November when we finally integrated all our local radio stations into the BBC iPlayer. However, as the more observant will have noticed, the audio remained in the same format, Realmedia.

300_lr_online_1.jpgAlthough our UK wide national stations have been using Flash-based streams for some time it has taken a significant amount of re-engineering behind the scenes to expand use of this technology to all of our nations and local radio stations.

In December we introduced MP3 format to the on demand programmes from our nations stations (Radio Scotland, Nan Gaidheal, Wales, Cymru, Ulster and Foyle), and as of today I am pleased announce that we have extended this to all 40 of our English local radio stations.

So now, when you listen to on demand programmes from any of our radio stations there will be no need for any additional software providing Flash is already installed on your machine.

The improvements don't stop there, in the autumn we will be upgrading all of our live radio streams to the AAC format, and for WiFi radio users we'll also be offering streams in Windows Media.

One of the major problems we have still to overcome is the quality of our source audio for the streams. By their nature, local radio stations are, well, local and thus the emphasis has always been placed on distribution to the local transmitter. As a result we don't currently have high quality feeds of all of our stations in a centralised location and instead the audio used for the streams aggregated through a variety of different methods with varying degrees of quality. Sorting this out will be one of our next challenges!

Watch this space for further developments.

Ian Myatt is Executive Product Manager, Nations & English Regions

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  • Comment number 1.

    It's great to hear that moving the local live radio streams away from Real Player is still on the cards. I was going to listen to the Leeds game last night on BBC Radio Leeds, but I just gave up after the little iPlayer pop-up told me "To play BBC Leeds please first install Real Player." (I refuse to install that circa-1996 spyware on my computer).

    One other thing, if the all the live streams are going to be upgraded to AAC, does that mean we might see BBC radio stations listed in the 'Radio' section on iTunes, and maybe even a 'BBC Radio' iPhone app?

  • Comment number 2.

    Can you address the plan for these new streams regarding geolocking? Will listeners abroad need to stay with the real streams and/or wait for the wma streams? Would be great to hear for both national and regional stations if you know.

  • Comment number 3.

    80kbit/s mp3

    You may as well have saved yourself the trouble,absolutely shocking my BBC licence fee cannot give me at least 128k,while you decide to stick 192k on a chat station called BBC 7?

  • Comment number 4.

    Have you experimented with HTML5 audio yet?

    http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/audio.html

  • Comment number 5.

    AAC streaming is great news. It beggars belief that both streaming formats offered by the BBC at the moment are proprietary. Will it apply to Radio Scotland though, which at the moment doesn't even have a WMA stream?

    I'm also curious about whether the choice of AAC for internet streaming has an element of future-proofing in it, given that DAB+ uses a modified version of this format.

  • Comment number 6.

    Compare the sound

    The shocking BBC local 80k MP3 stream


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p003zwf9/Jazzie_B_14_08_2009/

    Against this 128k aac stream for Craig Charles similar music show on 6 Music

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00m5r9n/The_Craig_Charles_Funk_and_Soul_Show_15_08_2009/

  • Comment number 7.

    #1 nathanjmassey: thanks for your vote of support. It's worth noting that we often have to blank football commentary on our radio streams due to rights reasons. We're continually working to try to offer as much as possible, but don't get your hopes up too much. As for iTunes and the iPhone, we're keen to make content available on as many platforms as possible so will explore the possibilities.

    #2 jsteinhu: you'll be pleased to know that for both MP3 and Windows formats will be available internationally

    #3 rangersman[QPR]: Fair point. As mentioned towards the end of my post, we need to work on improving the quality of our feeds. At present 80kbps is the best we can offer but we're really hoping to resolve this in the future.

    #4 Thanks kaihendry, i'm sure some of my colleagues have so I'll take a look into it. I suspect there may be some issues around browser support.

    #5 Kurisu: I can confirm that Radio Scotland will have both AAC and WMA live streams available soon. I hope we can be more flexible with our formats in the future.

  • Comment number 8.

    I think this is great news for BBC Local Radio. However can someone please confirm that it is just the on demand and NOT the live streams - its something thats confusing my parents...

    Also, is there a set date for upgrading the live streams to AAC, MP3 and/or WMA? Will it be in the next month, or will it be closer to December?

  • Comment number 9.

    until you upgrade to minimum 128k mp3 like bbc nations or 128k aac national radio, i will not be tuned into bbc local and i ask anyone reading this to do likewise.

  • Comment number 10.

    FRGHart-Glos: At present this is just our on demand programmes but we hope to have the live streams in AAC and WMA by the end of September. Hope that helps.

  • Comment number 11.

    Aren't all local stations available via DAB? Could the streams not be encoded from the same signal DAB uses? Or maybe even the NICAM signal sent to the transmitter?

    While it's great to see this progress for radio, I'd like to see some regional TV coverage on iPlayer. If I miss South Today, I can't catch up at the moment. It's disappointing; will this be changed at all?

    Re: rangersman[QPR] Not listening to these streams isn't going to change anything sooner. You've already been told that the plans are in place, what makes you think they can be brought forward? The only person missing out is yourself.

  • Comment number 12.

    @ smiler_jerg

    Well I have missed out till now and will continue to miss out on a service never been available in decent quality online so cannot see what I am missing out on?

    I suggest you head to www.shoutcast.com where lots of oldies streams I use are at 128k and above.
    My anger is all I get for my licence fee is eastenders,about time BBC sorted audio out,only recently they have been playing catch up. Go to www.digitalradiotech.co.uk for an education!

  • Comment number 13.

    @smiler_jerg: Good thought, although at present only about half of the local stations are currently available on DAB and are only distributed to the local transmitter(s) rather than collated centrally. It's certainly something we're taking into account for future solutions.

    The addition of our regional news programmes such as South Today onto iPlayer is a long held aspiration of ours. There are still a few technical challenges to overcome but I'm hopeful we'll have them there by the end of the year.

    In the meantime, the latest episode is available for you to watch here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/southtoday/ (windows/real only)

  • Comment number 14.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 15.

    Has this been co-ordinated with the internet radio manufacturers?
    Looks like it has not.
    James Cridland is only just out of the door.

  • Comment number 16.

    Any news on when the direct stream links (RealAudio, WMA or MP3 ... or even AAC) will be restored for Local Radio On Demand? The decision (or accident) that removed them at the start of September without warning and the lack of solid information afterwards has removed a highly used facility for thousands of internet radio device users.

  • Comment number 17.

    @PaulWebster

    Unfortunately we have had an issue with the delivery of the Windows Media on demand files. As you have identified, this has lead to a short gap in availability of local radio programming on internet radios and similar devices that were dependent on Real Media.

    We are talking to the manufacturers and will be providing details of the streams as soon as they become available, hopefully by the end of next week.

    Clearly this is not an ideal situation and I would like to take this opportunity to apologise for any inconvenience this has caused.

  • Comment number 18.

    @ianmyatt
    thanks for the reply Ian.
    Roll-on next week ;)

  • Comment number 19.

    @ianmyatt

    Could you not have added WMA without removing RealAudio at all, thus avoiding this unfortunate situation?

    The national stations have on-demand in RealAudio, why be different? Or is this foreshadowing a change of national on-demand from RA to WMA?

  • Comment number 20.

    I notice the BBC Local listen live BBC streams have launched today but you have not revealed the bit rate!!!

    I note they do not sound as good as Radio 2 aac stream so perhaps you are embarrassed to publish it

  • Comment number 21.

    http://wmlive.bbc.co.uk/wms/england/lrlondon?.wma

    I note all the BBC local stations have now launched on windows media player at 48k mono!!!! By the way it is 2009 not 1959

  • Comment number 22.

    It's all gone very quiet... literally! I just don't understand how this could have been allowed to happen - OK so it's not something the BBC HAVE to do but they did do it and as a result many people came to rely on it - now I have technology around my house which is next to useless for our purposes.

    Very disappointed!

  • Comment number 23.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 24.

    So..
    I used to be able to listen to BBC local radio on my Phone (and hence in my car) via realmedia, and my parents could use it to listen to local radio after they moved down south, top keep in touch with their local radio and sports... (via and intenet radio)

    Now.. I can't ...
    and they can't ...
    nice one BBC...
    Fingers right on the button there... now only the limited (but trendy) iphone users can listen to it... (how likely is that!!!)

    And before you say it I have an N96 with iPlayer, and funily enough the iplayer content is not available via the iPlayer app...

    Well done guys ... really well done.

    NOT

  • Comment number 25.

    It was so dreadful the sound quality via real player you are better off with silence now!!!!!


    http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/playing_programmes/radio_players

    This needs updating!!!!

  • Comment number 26.

  • Comment number 27.

    Thank you for your comments and feedback. We are working to resolve the issues you raise. Here are some more specific details:
    Formats
    We are migrating to AAC family codecs as the primary technology for PC/MAC/Linux and other connected devices that support it, with WMA available for those that don’t. Due to a number of constraints we had to switch our local radio Realmedia streams off in order to introduce the new formats.
    Bitrates
    I can confirm the current bitrates of the live AAC streams are 128kbps for the nations stations and 80kbps for the local radio stations. The WMA streams are dual rate at 48kbps and 64kbps dependent on available bandwidth.
    As mentioned previously, 80kbps for local radio is the best we can derive from our current source audio. This is something we hope to improve in the future.
    Internet Radios
    We are aware of the issues with connecting to the wma streams on some internet radios and are in contact with the manufacturers to resolve this situation.
    I have asked for the iPlayer help pages to be updated to reflect the current position.

  • Comment number 28.

    I struggle to believe that you cannot go above 80k and have not made inroads into providing a 128k stereo stream minimum for BBC Local radio,it is 2009 and many years you have had to join up into providing decent audio.
    If you can provide 900k for HD tv i fail to understand your problem here.
    Why dont you be honest and have been advised not to go above the quality used for dab so you are not seen to backtrack?

  • Comment number 29.

    I am now somewhat confused by all these recent, suggested, proposed and planned changes.

    I listen from outside the UK to BBC Radios 3, 4 and 7, and sometimes Radio Kent, on my Reciva-enabled internet radios (NOT on my computer!), and sometimes not just the live stream, but also on-demand. So far, I have seen (or rather, heard) a reduction in the bit rate, introduction of WMA steams on the national stations, which take far longer to buffer than the Real streams, and no more Radio Kent Real stream.

    What's next?

    Will the national stations also lose Real streams (despite Mr. Cridland's statement to the contrary)?

    What about these forthcoming AAC streams at 128kbps - will these be available abroad, and listenable to on Reciva radios?

    Will on-demand still be available, with the pause/rewind/fastforward features the Real streams facilitates on Reciva-enabled devices?

  • Comment number 30.

    So have you now moved 6 Music all I get is this error message
    rtsp://rmlive.bbc.co.uk/bbc-rbs/rmlive/farm/live24/bbc_ami/6music/6music_nb_int_live.ra?BBC-UID=04294a84c46f9ca4aa08ed5270107211e02b77c0a050c164645f69169f8ed007&SSO2-
    tride on a couple of PC's same thing I live in Spain!

  • Comment number 31.

    Well, looks like I typed too soon. Now the National station Real streams have stopped.

    All that is left for Reciva radio users (and other internet radio devices) are the WMA streams, which take 20-30 seconds to buffer compared to the one or two seconds taken by the Real streams.

    WHY, OH WHY have the Real streams been stopped, esecially before the WMA buffering problem has been fixed?
    WHY, OH WHY has there been no warning to listeners?
    WHY, OH WHY have internet radio providers like Reciva not been informed?
    WHY, OH WHY has the service to internet radio device users been degraded yet again?
    WHY, OH WHY?

  • Comment number 32.

    Well 6 music is back except it now cuts out every 10mins instead or 25mins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WHY Because they lack the knowledge

  • Comment number 33.

    ianmyatt

    1/ why have a blog when you struggle to comment and keep people informed.

    2/ Do you own a hi-fi so you can connect your pc to one and hear how crap 48k wma mono streams sound
    also how 80k aac streams sound so inferior to james cridlands 128 aac national station streams he set up?

  • Comment number 34.

    How do we get the play again option or have we lost that outside the UK!!!

  • Comment number 35.

    Another question on behalf of internet radio users.
    I used to be able to get Real stream information from Real player on the PC for Radio Lancashire's online cricket commentary and add that to My Streams on the Reciva website. I now find that the commentary is not made available in Real format. Will this be restored, or has it gome for good?

  • Comment number 36.

    I'm anxiously waiting for a reply from you to questions/comments 31, 33 and 34. What's the point of having these proud blogs announcing so-called improvements when you cannot deal with resulting complaints and queries?

  • Comment number 37.

    Gumrat - have you asked Reciva these questions?

  • Comment number 38.

    Passing the buck again,why dont the BBC ask themselves some questions like their failure to provide decent local 128k aac bbc streams when they provide HD for TV that requires far more bitrate.

  • Comment number 39.

    @dogmatrix1: I don't look after the national stations but have passed on your questions to one of my colleagues. I have had confirmation that the live wma stream of Radio Kent is now available on Reciva devices, all being well on demand wma should follow this week

    @RobAlora: I can confirm that the listen again option will be available outside the UK

  • Comment number 40.

    Can you check that iPlayer is not using the new local radio WMA live streams when in "lower bandwidth" mode as mentioned here

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbiplayer/F7331803?thread=6947395

    and get it fixed, please?

  • Comment number 41.

    @NickReynolds, 35
    My query is with the BBC. They are the ones who switched from Real to WMA without alerting their internet radio and dial-up customers and without ensuring the system worked properly. Reciva has reacted quickly to get the WMA streams working, once they were told by customers (not by the BBC) what was going on. WMA doesn't function properly on my internet radios. I listen from abroad, mostly to on-demand programmes, which used to work well in Real and now are in a complete mess (whether that is a Reciva or BBC problem, I don't know). Also, a really useful function of the Real on-demand system is the FF, Pause and RW, which I don't believe is available via WMA files - it's certainly not a facility of podcasts or programme streams via Reciva or when listening on line via WMA at the moment.

  • Comment number 42.

    Yep Newly launched for BBC i Player purposes I bring you DQ = Dire Quality brought to us by the wonderful BBC who expect everyone to pay same amount for licence fee and prioritize how they think we the listeners should receive it.


    BBC 1 TV Loads of BBC local 128k streams can be made out of the HD they give songs of praise

    BBC radio 3 192k AAC
    BBC LOndon 48k wma Mono

    What the bloody hell is going on with my licence fee?

  • Comment number 43.

    If the bbc is going to include important information in these blogs as comments is there no way it can improve the layout.

    Maybe having some sort of sticky comment at the top &/or bottom of the comment list. If such a facility is not available maybe use a direct edit facility to create a similar type of effect.

    This thread is not too bad it has less than 50 comments, some blogs are likely to attract a lot more, it is then hard to find bbc comment, especially if comments come from anyone in addition to the blogs poster, this includes a comment from NickReynolds At least the iPlayer MessageBoard identifies bbc posters by the name, typeface and mousover.

  • Comment number 44.

    Hi, as it will be October tomorrow and it mentions somewhere in here that everything was due to be sorted by then, could someone please tell me when I, as a user of an N95 8GB who was more than happy with the Real streams and who is paying a premium for a data plan, will I be able to listen to BBC Local Radio on my phone again. Thank you.

  • Comment number 45.

    I and others who I work with live outside the transmission area for our local station. We commute back through the transmission area and listen on our phones for advance travel info. We can no longer do this. We can however pick up rival commercial stations. Which we are doing.

    Surely there is an engineer in the BBC , who BTW is being paid out of license fees, who can sort this mess out.

  • Comment number 46.

    The BBC will never have Local radio as long as it refuses to employ local
    presenters, ie people who actually grew up in the town not moved there a few years ago, or came from university, how do I know this ? Having lived in a village within a mile from the M1 I offered to work for both Radio Nottingham Radio Derby,Radio Leicester, being refused I did some research
    using the Web and found that most of the BBC local Presenters are imported from around the country in fact local accents were not required.
    LISTEN TO YOUR LOCAL RADIO AND SEE IF YOU CAN PLACE THE ACCENT . After a short time you will and the betting is not much of what you hear will be from your town.

  • Comment number 47.

    #46. At 7:28pm on 01 Oct 2009, newsdogg wrote:

    "LISTEN TO YOUR LOCAL RADIO AND SEE IF YOU CAN PLACE THE ACCENT . After a short time you will and the betting is not much of what you hear will be from your town."

    I don't hear a local accent in the street never mind on my local radio - BBC or ILR!

  • Comment number 48.

    In James Cridlands words,if only Ian Myatt could show the same backbone?

    You are aware that I was being forced to adopt 80kbps AAC HE v2
    streams for BBC internet radio, by others who worked within the
    corporation. And you also know that I rejected this, and (eventually!)
    delivered 128kbps AAC streams for BBC internet radio within Flash; and
    128kbps Windows Media streams for people on wifi radios; and managed
    to remove the dependency on Real Networks software, to make BBC audio
    streams available to a far wider audience.

  • Comment number 49.

    Until recently, I used to be able to listen to Local Radio Stations Listen again service (typically Suffolk & Cambridgeshire) on a dial up connection (48Kbps) using the Real Media Replay Feeds. Now these have ceased I not longer can use the 'Use Low Bandwidth' link at the page bottom. The Flash feed 'use normal version' just freezes up. When are the BBC going to re instate a 'Low bandwith' option for the Local Radio Replay, as they have with the live streams in wma format or reinstate Real media whilst a solution is developed. The live wma (48kbps) stream incidentally suffers more from 'drop outs' more than the Real streams did. Remember there are times & places where people do no have access to wideband services. The Voice announcement on the Low Bandwidth Live stream for local Radio station keeps promising progress but I see none. NOT ALL of us seek the ultimate quality just some form of usable service, even if we depended on Real Player.

  • Comment number 50.

    In view of the lack of answers to this Real problem, I’m posting this message that I received today courtesy of a kind Local Radio employee which has obviously been forwarded from the iPlayer team – or as I now refer to them The Chuckle Brothers. The observant amongst you will notice the language used and how they now appear to be distancing themselves from the whole problem. And yes it is a disgrace.

    "BBC iPlayer Help pages are available here - http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/

    Some of the results are below.
    http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/streaming_programmes/local_radio_streams

    http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/streaming_programmes/real_wma_streams

    http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/playing_programmes/local_radio_real_media


    We have never promoted availability of local radio streams on mobile phones. Having said this it is somewhat rewarding that a number of users identified ways to access the streams on real enabled mobile devices.

    Our new WMA streams are available to any devices that support windows media. Although we don't directly support any specific mobile devices, our new wma streams are available through a third party application on the iPhone.

    In the meantime we are exploring more official ways by which we can support mobile streaming.

    We've already seen online consumption of our streams increase by 15% since moving to the new formats - so despite the valid concerns of a number of users it seems the net result is looking very positive."

  • Comment number 51.

    Internet BBC Radio 3 on demand has stopped working for the past two weeks - for me on Roberts WM201 using Reciva. There are just old programs there. Radio 4 and Radio 7 continue to operate normally. Can someone fix the link please.

  • Comment number 52.

    6th October its over a Month now and we still havent got Listen again function on Local Radio outside the UK!!!

  • Comment number 53.

    @Panther23 and @Angel-Tess8: I understand your frustration around support for mobile, thank you for bringing it to our attention. A range of handsets do support the windows media codec (check with your manufacturer), but I accept this not a universal solution. We are exploring alternative options to make our content more accessible on mobiles.

    @dowsecj: I'll ask our engineers to look into the "drop out" problems you are encountering with the Windows feeds.

    @Geoffsaver: Will ask my colleagues to take a look at the Radio 3 problems you've raised.

    @RobAlora: That's a fair comment and I share your frustration.

  • Comment number 54.

    People on this thread may be interested in this post on the Radio Labs blog.

  • Comment number 55.

    Dont really answer much for me

  • Comment number 56.

    Thanks Nick, you beat me to it.

    I have now been advised that our wma listen again files should be available by the end of this month.

    Apologies for the continued delay.

  • Comment number 57.

    Nick... Thanks very useful link to the Radio Labs Blog.
    Answers all my questions. Pity the info wasn't briefed out in advance either via a 'news' tab on iPlayer or to those who registered for iPlayer emails. It would have saved a lot of time. I noticed it was written well after the streams were ceased on Local Radio.
    Now for the impossible question... how long will these formats remain, as I've no intention of buying internet streaming devices until I know the BBC won't keep fiddling and making them incompatible.

  • Comment number 58.

    dowsecj - you could try asking that question on the Radio Labs blog. But since it's an "impossible" question it may be difficult to answer.

  • Comment number 59.

    So know cant listen to 6 Music with the hew iplayer just keeps cutting out every couple of mins!!!!

  • Comment number 60.

    The WMA streams lag way behind the flash wrapped AAC streams. Please can we have direct access to the AAC streams so that we can play them on our internet radios?

    I'd be interested to know why you chose WMA for internet streams too.

    Thanks

    K

  • Comment number 61.

    It now appears you have finally upgraded the BBC local live streams to 128k aac.

    So what is preventing you from giving us the same on listen again? Instead of 80k mp3 streams? Now you are are getting a better live stream what is preventing a 128k listen again like bbc national & Nations?
    Been away from the bbc radio set up for a few weeks,cheesed off with lack of info,so been making do with decent streams around the world and youtube but if BBC get their act together I will come back.

  • Comment number 62.

    I use a Roberts Stream 202 WiFi radio, which uses the Wifi Frontier portal.
    Since the change from Real Audio the portal has not updated BBC Local Radio Listen Again programs. It is still loading the last of the .ram files from the last week in August.
    Roberts are saying that the BBC made the changes weeks early without informing them and it is a work in progress,what ever that means?
    Does anyone have any idea when the new files will become available via the Wifi Frontier portal.
    Apart from the inconvenience, what are the copyright issues surrounding programs that can be 'listened to again' over 2 months later?

  • Comment number 63.

    @RadioFan300

    Follow the link in comment 54 above to the RadioLabs blog for the latest info. The BBC expect to start producing listen-again in WMA format sometime next month, so WiFi Frontier will update their portal after that.

  • Comment number 64.

    no feedback here as per usual

  • Comment number 65.

    Hi all,
    I was sincerely hoping to be in a position to announce the availability of WMA for Local Radio listen again content this week but unfortunately our development team have hit another set back which has lead to even further delay.
    I appreciate this is incredibly frustrating to anyone with an internet radio wishing to access local radio programmes on demand.
    The team are still aiming to get it up and running before the end of November and I will update this blog post as soon as there is further development.
    Regarding the quality of AAC streams for BBC Local radio; as mentioned previously we are restricted to the quality of the source feeds available at the location of our encoding infrastructure. We are working to resolve this and will improve the public facing streams as soon as it is possible to do so. The nations stations (e.g. Radio Scotland) are already streamed at 128kbps but the vast majority of local radio will unfortunately remain at 80kbps until the source distribution is improved. In the meantime we have been trying to increase the quality of streams at existing bitrates by tweaking the way in which they are processed.

  • Comment number 66.

    When you right click on live local feeds it says 128kbits aac? Only on listen again does it remain pegged back at 80k mp3 ???

  • Comment number 67.

    keep this at the top of
    the pile,may get some answers then

  • Comment number 68.

    Looks like it is working - hurrah
    BBC Local Radio On Demand content now available again to Reciva users.

  • Comment number 69.

    Thanks Paul,

    Yes we finally managed to start making the WMA files accessible last week which means that on demand content should now be filtering through to Internet Radio devices.

    Also, as rangersman[QPR] points out, our engineers are making some progress on the bitrate front too.

  • Comment number 70.

    Still painfully slow though Mr Myatt,If I want to listen to any shows from BBC Local it is still 80k MP3?
    I now as from yesterday have a new Amplifier http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/set_territory.php?TID=1&Redirect=/summary.php?PID=373 I think it deserves the best treatment & 80k MP3 certainly is not.

  • Comment number 71.

    I'm sorry to report that the BBC is letting down their audience. We live in belgium and have the unhappy opportunity to get cricket on Radio 4 (LW) every time the english are loosing somewhere. If we want to receive Radio 4 FM we have to listen via the internet. Sadly enough the BBC can not fulfill this task because they have changed to Flash, but when we start iPlayer (radio) we get sound for exactly 2 seconds and then the message that 'this service is unavailable'. Why ?
    We also have a WiFi radio which seemingly will not be able to receive BBC anymore after March 2010.

    Many thanks to the BBC from all the exPats.

  • Comment number 72.

    March 2010 is when the BBC will switch off RealAudio streams for live and listen-again for the national stations. Radio 4 FM is available live as a Windows Media Audio stream

    http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4.asx

    now and beyond March 2010, if your PC and/or WiFi radio can play that format. R4 FM programmes will also be provided in WMA for listen-again.

  • Comment number 73.

    Whats the latest state of play?

  • Comment number 74.

    well then? when are you getting rid of the 80k mp3 listen again format on bbc local?

  • Comment number 75.

    This post needs deleting,no updates on it and a new post made about BBC Local radio

  • Comment number 76.

    Does Ian Myatt still work for the BBC?

  • Comment number 77.

    http://www.telos-systems.com/techtalk/aacpaper_2/AAC_3.PDF

    AAC+ on BBC local listen again,still not available

  • Comment number 78.

    Dear santa can you bring me a decent audio stream for BBC Listen again on BBC Local stations?

  • Comment number 79.

    What has happened to the BBC local radio live and on-demand links on the Reciva portal. I now have an internet radio that is only of use as a doorstop. Are these links to be restored so that a very expensive piece of kit is able to be used. I live away from the Radio Norfolk reception area and now no longer have access to their programmes. Please sort this out I do not pay my licence fee for this poor service.

  • Comment number 80.

    Ross revenge...hardly worth commenting. BBC refuse to answer to their listeners. Still mediocre 80k on listen again local. I want my licence fee refunded!!!!!

  • Comment number 81.

    It seems that the BBC local stations are now available on the Reciva portal as 48K WMA streams but on the listen again the pause and fast forward functions do not work. As I have an AE internet radio I now do not know if this problem belongs to Reciva,the BBC, or AE who no longer support this radio which may need a firmware update to fix it.

  • Comment number 82.

    2010 and BBC local radio still sounding pants at 80k mp3 on listen again,meanwhile National & nations are 128aac+plus on listen again.

  • Comment number 83.

    any updates?

  • Comment number 84.

    I'm currently living in south east asia, how can I listen the BBC internet radio? Can you tell me what software need to be downloaded?

    Sincerely,
    Mike
    SAP Tutorial

  • Comment number 85.

    Disgrace this aint been addressed. MP3 80k is not acceptable for Hi-Fi listening on BBC local listen again. 128aac+ on replay like the nationals.

  • Comment number 86.

    These changes are set to render my Reciva based internet radios fit for the bin. I rely on these for the BBC listen again service, and have one in the kitchen bedroom and living room. It is not simply that the pause/rewind/forward buttons do not work which causes me concern; when listening to an on demand show, as soon as you turn the set off it reverts to the beginning again when you switch it back on. This is a DISASTER. Come on BBC, sort this out, there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of us with such sets out there, and you are not serving the public by taking away this facility.

  • Comment number 87.

    86. At 4:15pm on 25 Feb 2010, Langers wrote:

    "These changes are set to render my Reciva based internet radios fit for the bin. ..//.. This is a DISASTER. Come on BBC, sort this out, there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of us with such sets out there, and you are not serving the public by taking away this facility."

    I hope that the BBC listen to your complaint, it will also set a precedent for scrapping not only the intend switch over to DAB but the television DSO - well the same rational applies, many hundreds of thousands of analogue only (that is, unable to accept an AV input from a DVB STB) receivers that will be fit for only the scrap bin...

  • Comment number 88.

    I have a Reciva radio and one of the reasons for buying was the listen again function. What is the BBC going to do about making this work again? We are supposed to own the BBC it is OUR BBC we keep being reminded so come on sort this out.

  • Comment number 89.

    #88. At 8:45pm on 24 Mar 2010, RossRevenge wrote:

    "I have a Reciva radio and one of the reasons for buying was the listen again function. What is the BBC going to do about making this work again? We are supposed to own the BBC it is OUR BBC we keep being reminded so come on sort this out. "

    Good question, I still have a 405 line B&W TV, what are the BBC going to do about making that work again, I also have an old AM/LW classic car radio that hasn't been able to pick on Radio 2 for some years, will the BBC make it work again...

  • Comment number 90.

    "I have a Reciva radio and one of the reasons for buying was the listen again function. What is the BBC going to do about making this work again? We are supposed to own the BBC it is OUR BBC we keep being reminded so come on sort this out. "

    Good question, I still have a 405 line B&W TV, what are the BBC going to do about making that work again, I also have an old AM/LW classic car radio that hasn't been able to pick on Radio 2 for some years, will the BBC make it work again...

    You taking the !!! This radio is only 2 years old.

  • Comment number 91.

    90. At 8:15pm on 25 Mar 2010, RossRevenge wrote:

    "You taking the !!! This radio is only 2 years old."

    Hmm, trying to remain polite, but two years ago the BBC were already moving away from Real audio streams, the writing was already on the wall...

    As for taking the proverbial, no I wasn't, there hasn't been a time in the last 100 years were technology hasn't moved on, formats move on, trouble these days is that last months format is this months deprecated format and next months history lesson.

  • Comment number 92.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 93.

    any development to hearing bbc local on deman in same quality as the national stations?

  • Comment number 94.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 95.

    I see all the improvements the bbc are making but they continue to only give 80k online for on demand local shows...pretty poor really how long this is taking.

  • Comment number 96.

    Any updates as despite new BBC I Player,still getting 80k mp3 on listen again for local radio

  • Comment number 97.

    Appears no intention of giving a decent bit rate for BBC Local listen again & my licence fee considered more beneficial elsewhere,just wish someone from the BBC would say this here.

  • Comment number 98.

    any updates on the progress of my query?

  • Comment number 99.

    bump

  • Comment number 100.

    bump waiting response

 

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