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Lewis Hamilton centre stage in F1's Indian adventure

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Andrew Benson | 14:49 UK time, Sunday, 30 October 2011

The Indian Grand Prix was not the thrilling spectacle Formula 1 wanted it to be but if that amazing country is to succumb to the sport's advances after this inaugural race at least it won't be under false pretences.

The packed grandstands - unusual for a first race in a new territory for F1 - witnessed a grand prix that encapsulated in many ways what F1 2011 has all been about.

Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel strolled to a comfortable victory, taking only as much out of his car and tyres as he needed to. Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso - the other two stand-out drivers of the year - followed him home. And Lewis Hamilton found himself embroiled in yet another contretemps with his nemesis, Felipe Massa.

Hamilton, as has been well documented, has not had a great year. There have been some fantastic highs but by and large he has performed well below his superlative best.

On the way, he has been involved in some high-profile incidents, many of which have been his fault. But his collision with Massa in India on Sunday was not one of them.

As Hamilton's McLaren edged alongside the Brazilian's Ferrari into Turn Five on lap 24, it looked as if the Englishman was poised to pull off one of the great overtaking moves for which he is rightly famous. Instead, Massa turned in as if Hamilton was not there, and their races were ruined on the spot.

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Hamilton has had so many penalties from race officials this year that it was perhaps no surprise that up in the commentary box Martin Brundle said he thought this might lead to another one.

But it became clear from replays that this time it was not Hamilton's fault.

He was virtually completely alongside Massa as they neared the brief braking zone and he was still halfway alongside when they collided despite - as he said afterwards - trying to pull out of the move when he realised Massa was not going to give way.

Massa could be seen looking in his mirrors a number of times, and made it clear after the race that he knew the McLaren was there. But he felt he was in the right because - as he put it - he "could not see" Hamilton as he turned in. As the stewards decided, though, Hamilton was far enough alongside to have a go - and Massa should have given him more room.

The only question you can ask about Hamilton's manoeuvre was why he chose to go for the move there.

The spot he chose is not, as Brundle and fellow commentator David Coulthard pointed out, exactly an easy passing place. With his speed advantage, and knowing that - because of their history this year - Massa was unlikely to be accommodating, it would have been less risky to try the move at the end of the long straight.

For Hamilton, the collision was especially bad news. While he had struggled in the first stint of the race, he was at this stage looking like he might have a shot at a podium finish.

On his second set of tyres, he was demonstrating good speed and, had he managed to pass Massa, he may well have been able to catch Alonso, too. That would have given him third place, assuming he, like the Spaniard, had been able to leapfrog Mark Webber's Red Bull at the second stops.

As it was, it was another weekend to forget for Hamilton, who was downcast after the race.

His father, Anthony, confirmed on Sunday what many in F1 have long suspected - that Hamilton simply wants 2011 to end and to move on to next season.

Hamilton seems to think he has identified the personal issues that have clearly affected him this year. He talked on Saturday about removing all unnecessary distractions and focusing completely on his job. For his own sake - as well as the global audience of millions for whom his aggressive, attacking style is so attractive - one has to hope it works.

The Hamilton-Massa incident provided a controversial distraction in an otherwise largely uneventful race, one of the least interesting of a year that, despite Vettel's domination, has so far generally delivered a fine spectacle.

That was a shame for the one grand prix with which F1 really wanted to make an impact. Nevertheless, while it remains to be seen whether India takes to the sport, the initial signs were good.

There were teething problems in terms of the organisation and track but these were nothing compared with the terrible problems around the Commonwealth Games last year. So despite the tight deadlines, India has now proved that it is more than capable of preparing for and hosting a major international sporting event.

The track was cleverly situated close enough to Delhi to make it accessible. And although the ticket prices were always going to be out of reach of the average Indian, they were clearly affordable to enough people to make attending the race an attractive proposition.

The result was virtually full grandstands - according to official figures, 95,000 people packed into the Buddh International Circuit on Sunday.

That is already a massive step forward from other 'new' races such as those in China, Turkey and, more recently, South Korea. In all those places - and others - F1 appears to have made virtually no impression at all, to the point that many within the sport privately question why the races exist.

Senior figures in F1 were unanimous in their praise for the work done by the Indian organisers. But that is to be expected - they are all desperate for this race to succeed in the world's second most populous country with one of the fastest growing economies.

Perhaps more telling was that the drivers were also effusive - not only about the flowing, challenging layout of the track, which Hamilton said was already one of his favourites, but also for the experience they had had there on what, for most of them, was their first visit.

"There was a big crowd and it was a big success for India," said HRT driver Narain Karthikeyan, the country's first F1 driver. "Having a high-profile event like this gives the country a boost. We are passionate people, we are happy with what we have and it is fantastic to have F1 here."

India has its share of problems - that is well known. Equally, though, if you spend any time there, it is difficult not to fall under its complicated, captivating spell.

After a debut that was unanimously hailed as a success, F1 is hoping that India will come to feel the same way about its new arrival.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    I was in bed watching the race and I after the collision I thought wouldn't it be good if Lewis did not get a penalty!! I just laughed when he didn't.

    I would love to know what Massa was thinking when he got news of his drive through.

  • Comment number 2.

    Just to say a HUGE THANK YOU to the BBC,the opening to the Grand Prix show today,EJ's shirt,the film of JK,EJ,DC was brilliant.
    The tribute to the two sadly lost driver/rider brought a tear to my eyes.VERY THOUGHTFULLY purt together.
    The track looks superb,race not great,the whole weekend,i saw fp1,2,3 and Quali,plus race.
    THANKYOU BBC.
    I am against Sky deal,but for now,just respect to those lost,respect to those that put the show on.
    How can the BBC give this up,it is beyond me.

  • Comment number 3.

    Cant believe that Massa got a penalty for that. Even Brundle and Coulthard that it should have been a penalty for Lewis. Can only think that the stewards felt that they were getting nowhere by continually blaming Lewis (although rightly !)

    For Brundle to suggest that all the incidents have been "6 and half a dozen" is an incredibly biased take on it! Finally I dont blame Massa for not talking to Lewis.... how many points has lewis' overzealous driving cost him? Massa is struggling to hold onto his drive and Lewis might have cost him it...

  • Comment number 4.

    Yet another desperate swipe at Hamilton eh Andrew? Was Massa's lunge at Hamilton really the 'centre stage' event of the weekend as your headline suggests? It's getting really tiresome now.
    You asked "The only question you can ask about Hamilton's manoeuvre was why he chose to go for the move there." - because he can, he's a racing driver and that's what real racing drivers do, they take the opportunity to pass their opponents when they can. He's a competitor, not a Sunday driver like some of the others.

  • Comment number 5.

    @ 3.At 15:31 30th Oct 2011, John wrote:

    Massa is struggling to hold onto his drive because he is underperforming and that is not Lewis Hamilton's fault. We need more RACING DRIVERS in F1, not processional Sunday drivers content to drive around for a couple of hours and pick up a fat cheque for the privilege.

  • Comment number 6.

    Credit where it's due... I was expecting anothr Hamilton hatchet job when I saw the blog title so I am pleasantly surprised.

    The incident remind me very much of the famous collicsion between Senna and Prost in Japan 1989. Massa new he was there, but after all that has gone on decided to close the door. Whether he misjugded or just didn't care I don't know, but it ruined both their races.

    His (Massa's) comments after the race were even weirder than his performance on track when he statred mumbling about how Lewis wasn't trying to speak to him and after the minute's silnece put his arm round himand said have a good race.... a comment Massa took as throwaway rathert than sincrere saying if he really wanted to talk he could.... yes Felipe, but maybe the minute's silence isn't the best place to expect him to do that especially when it is for such a sombre and poignant couple of events.

    Hamilton has issues right now that is for sure, but Massa has some too... namely how does he get a competitive drive once Ferrari dispense with him for a more obedient nuber 2 in the near future.

  • Comment number 7.

    The coverage of the Massa incident summed up the BBC's coverage of Hamilton this season in a nutshell. It was obvious without even a replay that Massa had blatantly driven in to him, yet 10 replays later the commentators were still seeing it as Hamilton's fault, and it took until after the race for any of them to mention Massa clearly looking for him.

  • Comment number 8.

    @5.
    At 15:37 30th Oct 2011, IYoung wrote:

    If Massa is having such a bad year and lewis is so good..... how come they end up battling over 5th/6th place all the time?

  • Comment number 9.

    Success has many friends and Lewis's experience is a strong indication of that. You know true love when you are in the Valley- Lewis may well be in one now but, I hope he comes through for his sake and those endeared to the sport because of him.

  • Comment number 10.

    As for the race? One huge yawn should cover it. On a track supposedly built for overtaking it was just another dull procession.

  • Comment number 11.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 12.

    It does seem to have been overlooked somewhat that Lewis tried to back out of the move - as shown by going from being alongside to barely halfway alongside (check the replay) - which would suggest he knew it wasn't going to work. At worst I would call that a racing incident, and can only think a penalty was given because Lewis had to stop and they wanted to make it honours even. I cannot see any logic to it otherwise.

    @4: Forgive me for saying so, but I wouldn't call sticking your car part-way down the inside of someone and hoping for the best "real racing". Sir Jackie Stewart has criticised Lewis in this regard, and I doubt anyone would seriously suggest he is not a "real racing driver". Lewis is a very talented driver and I'm confident he will overcome this, but he needs to exercise a bit more judgement if he is going to do so.

  • Comment number 13.

    As someone that isn't a member of the anti-Sky brigade, I'm glad to see that this blog hasn't been shut down before I was able to post on it.

    Anyway, another Vettel win, bit annoying as that limited the excitement. Still, good to see Jenson have a great start and a solid race afterwards. Not a great race from Lewis and I winced at ANOTHER clash between him and Massa, glad that my guy didn't get the drive through, not the greatest of races but at least he's still in the mixer for second place.

  • Comment number 14.

    Brundle is so desperate to blame Lewis for everything its a joke.

    He first argues that Massa turning in on Lewis is Lewis' fault then when Massa broke his suspension AGAIN, Brundle instantly blamed the contact with Lewis (trying to make the point that Massas race was affected so penalty for Lewis). The replay of Massa hitting the corner soon had him back tracking and tripping over his words.

    It was so clear that Brundle and DC were trying to build the case for Lewis to get a penalty.

  • Comment number 15.

    Also, I fail to see how there have been - at the front anyway - any "stand-out drivers of the year" other than Vettel. There simply have not been any challengers to Vettel at the front of the field, so pretending otherwise seems a very curious angle to me.

    If you look only at qualifying then maybe there's been a bit more competition, although there again the Red Bull underneath Vettel has been an imperious combination.

  • Comment number 16.

    @ 8.At 15:43 30th Oct 2011, John

    I don't remember suggesting that Lewis has had a good year...? Did anyone else?

    They don't appear to be battling over 5th/6th place ALL the time either. To illustrate my point look up how many passing attempts (successful or unsuccessful) both drivers have made during this season.
    Massa isn't good enough, end of story.
    Your point that Brundle and Coulthard thought Lewis should be penalised doesn't stand now either as after the race they agreed that Massa was clearly looking for Lewis in his mirrors and drove into him.

  • Comment number 17.

    13 sorry? you actually think he cares about being "in the mixer for 2nd place"?

    you are joking right?

  • Comment number 18.

    12 no offence, but that's absolute rubbish. Hamilton was halfway alongside Massa before either of them had started turning in and tried to back out once he saw that Massa was looking for him. if Jackie Stewart says otherwise then it's not surprising he retired 40 years ago or whatever it was.

  • Comment number 19.

    He looked like he was about to cry.

    Disaster.

  • Comment number 20.

    Benson wrote:
    "The only question you can ask about Hamilton's manoeuvre was why he chose to go for the move there.

    The spot he chose is not, as Brundle and fellow commentator David Coulthard pointed out, exactly an easy passing place. "
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    Benson IS THAT REALLY ALL YOU CAN COME UP WITH for your weekly dig at Hamilton???

    Lets face facts, Brundle is a less than average driver who has never won a race so of course Brundle would not see or go for the move there because he does not have the same ability or vision Lewis has.

    Lets not loose sight of the fact that Lewis had pulled a fantastic move on Massa and it was Massa turning in on him after checking his mirrors that caused the problem.

  • Comment number 21.

    Sorry but I fell asleep at lap 52....boring boring boring. What happened with Lewis, just one of them things, it's racing.

  • Comment number 22.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 23.

    @9 Very well put indeed!

    Personally I think Massa was trying to get a little bump and give Lewis another drive through. Looks like Massa is hoping that he will be given a little more grace by Ferarri with all the acidents , that have happend between Lewis and him.

    Again Button is showing his maturity and quality as a driver. Hopefully 2012 will be another step forward for him and he can yet again silence his ever reducing numbers of critics. ( Bar the village idiot here who has the Lewis blinkers on all the time ).

    Again another enjoyable blog , look forward to reading Jakes and Matins.

  • Comment number 24.

    See even dedicated RICH F1 fans (Rowan Atkinson) don`t want it going from the BBC see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15505342.stm 1:30 in

    Don`t forget to read and sign http://www.petition.co.uk/investigation-into-the-legality-of-the-recent-bbcsky-f1-deal/

  • Comment number 25.

    @ 8.At 15:43 30th Oct 2011, John

    No and I didn't either! Catch up whenever you like ;)

    Brundle and Coulthard agreed it was Hamiltons fault during the race.. they went onto slightly alter their view on it while in the presence of Martin Whitmarsh, hardly surprising.

    It amazes me that the Beeb get stick for being harsh on Lewis. i think they are incredibly lenient... any other driver (even jenson) would get panned for some of the rubbish Hamilton has produced this year. I like Hamilton as a driver, he is a huge asset to the sport... but he is just another overpaid, petulant english yobo who thinks he is bigger than the sport . He is the wayne rooney of F1.

  • Comment number 26.

    3 & 11... sorry, I WAS watching the race on BBC1 so I have no idea which version you guys watched; clearly wasn't the same as me... 'bout time justice was served... well done stewards.

  • Comment number 27.

    @20 - Brundle may have not won in F1 ( nearly got killed a few times ) but you would be an utter fool to over look his wins at Le Mans over the years , he is a bloody good sports car driver and is well qualified for the job he does.

  • Comment number 28.

    Massa can only blame himself, and rightly got the penalty as you can see he was looking in his mirror just before he turned in and he did it more than once, so the penalty was deserved.

    Question is with the history between Massa and Hamilton is did Massa do it on purpose then Massa should have the book thrown at him

  • Comment number 29.

    22. At 16:01 30th Oct 2011, fatClyde wrote:
    I think Ferrari have have told Massa to make life difficult for Hamilton at all costs. They admitted as much on the live radio coms a couple of races ago ! This has being going on all year. Today Massa moved to the right and allowed Lewis Hamilton plenty of room to make his pass and then, intentionally, turned into him. A drive through is not enough of a penalty.
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    I've said this before, you have to wonder if there is a connection between Massa being a definite number 2 driver in Alonso's pocket, and the tendency of the stewards to blame Lewis for any contact between them.

    Todays incident was as clear as day despite Brundles and DC's best efforts to blame Lewis as usual.

  • Comment number 30.

    No 7- you are so right! BBC bias against LH is unreal! Can't wait for some unbiased commentary from Sky! I hope LH does the right thing and support Sky in promoting thier shows with greater co-operation than the obligatory interviews BBC will get. ps Thanks to EJ for stepping up to the plate and agreeing with the stewards.

  • Comment number 31.

    A brief aside from the race itself. Saw the race on telly whilst here in India on ESPN (Sky). Coverage absolutely dire. Apart from the advert breaks, which I hate, the commentary was inane and there was nothing track-side or indeed anything of a 'show'. Recognise that it could improve but a radical improvement is required if it is to get anyway near the Beeb

  • Comment number 32.

    14. NO TO BBCs INSTITUTIONAL LEWISISM wrote:
    Brundle is so desperate to blame Lewis for everything its a joke.

    I have to disagree my take was that Brundle expected Hamilton to be penalised if any of them were to be 'as that is normally what happens' he said. I don`t think he blamed Hamilton at all I think as he said it was a driving incident (although in my opinion just before the both started to brake Hamilton was right beside him and Massa must have been able to see him) I think the Stewards called it right.
    But Brundle was just having a dig that Hamilton normally gets the blame.

  • Comment number 33.

    I gave up watching the F1 many races ago (not because of Sky, but I felt the excitement had lessened), and it sounds like it's still the same.

    I got bored of Vettel dominating - which isn't his fault, just makes it far less unpredictable for the viewer.

    What does disappoint me is how Massa has not regained his form before that Hungary episode - although Hamilton has scuppered some of his races this year, and he was immensely unfortunate in Germany last year to be driving for Ferrari - he was all but Hamilton's equal back then, and though it pains me to say it, as long as Hamilton stays on the track, it seems he has the beating of Massa every time.

  • Comment number 34.

    how many times his season has Massa done something like this and not got a penalty well all I can say is its about time ! I'm beginning to think the Marshall's are the three blind mice!

  • Comment number 35.

    Oh, and this was a terrible, terrible race.

    It is extremely disspiriting to the whole viewing public to see Vettel ease to win, after win, after win. There's a good reason F1 wasn't particularly popular, in these parts at least, during the Schumacher Ferrari years. In fact, they were incredibly dull times for the sport. McLaren and Ferrari need to sort it out, Red Bull are far too strong, and Vettel far too dominant to keep the racing interesting. The title has been decided, and seemingly no one is interested in 2nd place, and rightly so.

    That aside, it was still an awful race. There haven't been many races like this this year to be fair, but this was may have been the worse. Alongside possibly Turkey and Valencia? Memory is sketchy.

  • Comment number 36.

    Sorry, do I have to admit that it was Star Sports? Applolgies to ESPN (but are they by any chance related?

  • Comment number 37.

    The fact that the latest Massa vs Hamilton spat was the highlight, in fact the only highlight of another by the numbers procession says it all really. A new venue (hopefully it'll be ready properly for next year) promised something new, something different but ultimately it proved very disappointing.

    2 DRS zones and still no passing of note, although it didn't help that the circuit was so spanking brand new that drivers wanted to avoid going off line due to the circuit being far too green and dusty in parts.

    Hats off to Vettel, he is in a class of his own, leading the race from start to finish. Race commentary said that Button did keep it interesting, but to be fair, as soon as JB got within 3 seconds of the lead, Vettel just went up a gear and reeled off 3 best lap times in a row. In winning the race Vettel set another record of leading more race laps in a season, beating the previous best held by Nigel Mansell.

  • Comment number 38.

    What a silly and irrelevant title to this article!

    Massa deliberately rammed Hamilton but Hamilton was right to wedge his car into the inside to force Massa wide at the upcoming turn. Massa is just a loser - he can't take it out on his world champion team mate so he tries to take it out an other world champion instead. If you can't rise to required level then bring them down to your own level. Time for Massa to leave F1.

  • Comment number 39.

    My hero triumphed again! To some people who say he's no racer, it's the car etc, I'd say the mark of a true expert is that he makes it look easy.

    All this Hamilton bashing, or imagining it. I think some viewers are looking through the wrong coloured spectacles, (a bit like the political comments, 'its Labour's fault, no it's Conservatives' fault').

    I watched and listened today and thought the commentators tip toed around the subject of Hamilton doing any wrong. I didn't hear any anti LH bias from them. Massa did what he did and was penalized for it.

    Notice F1 is going where the money is - China and India. No wonder this drop in the North Sea doesn't matter. Billions of eyes to catch for the sponsors in Asia.

  • Comment number 40.

    As for Webber, a very good comment was made today about the fact he has lost the most amount of places out of all the drivers this year.

    If Vettel is winning you would expect to see webber finishing right be behind him in 2nd place, but we dont. How many poles has webber had this year? I think a red bull car in webbers hands is a waste.

  • Comment number 41.

    7. At 15:43 30th Oct 2011, TheTrawler wrote:
    The coverage of the Massa incident summed up the BBC's coverage of Hamilton this season in a nutshell. It was obvious without even a replay that Massa had blatantly driven in to him, yet 10 replays later the commentators were still seeing it as Hamilton's fault, and it took until after the race for any of them to mention Massa clearly looking for him.
    ------------------------------------
    Absolutely right and a perfect reply to post 27.

    Just remember being an experienced racing driver does not stop you from being biased.

    DC and Brundle are glowing examples of that!!!!

  • Comment number 42.

    Just be grateful Lewis is around for you (bbc red bull) to write about, two poor guys lost their lives in the past fortnight.
    Hamilton will come good, let him have his sulk & hopefully the real Lewis will be given the correct tools to get the job done next season. As for Massa, he was offered a sort of olive branch by Hamilton today but instead chose to ignore it, moan on etc etc.

  • Comment number 43.

    /agree with #38.

    The thing that worries me is that after watching further slow motion footage of the Hamilton/Massa incident it's clear that Massa's lunge at Hamilton was DELIBERATE.

    We've had enough deaths in motor sport recently and if Massa is allowed to continue then we might end up with more. He's clearly under pressure at Ferrari and should be stopped before he kills someone.

  • Comment number 44.

    Yes, Felipe looked into his mirrors but it was nevertheless clear to the experienced BBC commentry team that he had taken the racing line when Hamilton shunted him.

    On this occasion, Lewis Hamilton had the good grace to admit (post race) that he was trying to back out but STILL Felipe Massa was awarded a drive-through penalty! Going back to Monaco my feeling is that Lewis Hamilton then showed poor regard and (dis)respect towards Felipe Massa. It is clear to the careful observer that 'the powers that be' have carefully scripted Felipe Massa to be a 'No. 2'.

    Thinking himself safe in this knowledge Lewis Hamilton has calculated to dismiss him as a 'back-marker' and as someone who will yeild to his aggrssion nor else not put up too much of a fight wheel to wheel. Felipe, to his credit is no 'pushover' and therein lies the fundamental problem. To his credit, Hamilton seemed to me to turn a corner in Japan. He has since, and properly, been more mindful and respectful towards Felipe Massa - in truth they are both two of the best - and better able to acknowledge his own impetuousness and misplaced aggression and frustration. So why did the incident in India occur? If you ask me then 'the British Socio-economic Race Card' has no small part to play in this. White British middle class (I am one and, let's face it, the sport is largely organised and governed by a creed I know only too well) is desperate to broaden the appeal of F1 (and other sporting/cultural activities) accross racial divides and 'create social champions'. When their 'star boy' throws a 'funny turn' then it's all hands on deck to 'protect their hopes and their investment' in terms of the all the scurrying tribulations and obfuscations from the British media (and stewards) such as we have again witnessed today (for our entertainment delight!!!). Eddie Jordan plays his role with sychophantic aggression and even the likes of Martin Brundle is content to suspend his seasoned professional objectivity to 'follow the script' in terms of his post race descent from true integrity in terms of 'six of one and half a dozen of the other'. Meanwhile, Lewis Hamilton is being driven mad in the midst of this 'Hampton Court Maze' British social racial mind mix. Felipe Massa is otherwise being defamed and otherwise denied the proper opportunity to display his true racing talent. Unlike the U.K., Brasil is supposed to be 'colour -blind'. For my money Lewis would do well to sit down with Felipe to get a better perspective on the place where he stands. Felipe would also better understand his problems and frustrations and what it means to be a British poster boy of mixed race extraction. Next year? I say Ferrari team mates. I am otherwise sure that Santander and Fernando Alonso (yawn!!!) will have something else to say.

  • Comment number 45.

    Good point made by #43

  • Comment number 46.

    25.
    At 16:02 30th Oct 2011, John wrote:

    @ 8.At 15:43 30th Oct 2011, John

    No and I didn't either! Catch up whenever you like ;)

    Brundle and Coulthard agreed it was Hamiltons fault during the race.. they went onto slightly alter their view on it while in the presence of Martin Whitmarsh, hardly surprising.

    It amazes me that the Beeb get stick for being harsh on Lewis. i think they are incredibly lenient... any other driver (even jenson) would get panned for some of the rubbish Hamilton has produced this year. I like Hamilton as a driver, he is a huge asset to the sport... but he is just another overpaid, petulant english yobo who thinks he is bigger than the sport . He is the wayne rooney of F1.


    John; again this name calling of Hamilton being a ***petulant english yobo who thinks he is bigger than the sport***
    PLZ SHOW EVIDENCE OF THIS, DNT JUST COME OUT WITH RUBBISH

    Why ohh why people have a dislike for a hamilton i dont get, this weekend what did he do to paint him of those words, jesus ppl dnt alow your hatred to blind you please

  • Comment number 47.

    Massa and Hamilton clearly don't like each other.

    Hamilton for various reasons has often found himself out of position behind Massa, with greater speed than him.

    For Massa, it is an easier decision to just 'turn in' on Hamilton and blame 'crazy old Lewis' rather than yield and let the man you hate overtake you. He is not prepared to allow Hamilton through under any circumstances, even if it means a collision.

    Hamilton can't just stay behind Massa the whole race; he has to try the move, but unless you have a massive advantage there always has to be some degree of 'compliance' from the driver you are overtaking.

    Hamilton will never get that from Massa - he needs to stop getting himself in the situation where he is behind him to start with.

  • Comment number 48.

    I've got to laugh at 43...

    Seriously? Come one man you are having a laugh with that comment. At the very worst that was a racing accident. There is no doubt that Massa was ahead into the corner. It was maybe a bit too aggressive for the stewards liking, but dont we all love it when Hamilton produces ultra aggressive driving?

  • Comment number 49.

    Agree that Hamilton wasn't at fault. Masa probably saw red as Lewis was about to take him & decided he didn't want that. The stewards got it right. As for the crowd, India is a very poor country and I doubt all those seats were filled with paying customers. I reckon several thousand freebies were given out to entice people to watch but most Indians would need a month to earn the ticket price so it will be interesting to see how many are there next time. Although I do like the idea of a top F1 track in a new country.

  • Comment number 50.

    40. At 16:17 30th Oct 2011, Red_5 wrote:
    As for Webber, a very good comment was made today about the fact he has lost the most amount of places out of all the drivers this year.

    If Vettel is winning you would expect to see webber finishing right be behind him in 2nd place, but we dont. How many poles has webber had this year? I think a red bull car in webbers hands is a waste.
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    It never ceases to amaze me that this glaring trouncing Webber is getting at the hands of Vettel is completely ignored by the BBC but almost every article is focused on Hamilton and how bad his season is. I think EJ referred to Lewis who came second last time out and did nothing wrong today as having lost his mojo!!!!

  • Comment number 51.

    Hamilton this, Hamilton that. Why are these blogs always about Hamilton even when he finishes a staggeringly mediocre seventh. Are you obsessed with him or something?
    The guy is an arrogant, accident-prone bore most of the time. Button deserves much more attention; better driver and an altogether more pleasant and engaging personality.

  • Comment number 52.

    I agree with 44 in so far that Lewis and Fillipe should go grab a beer together and clear the air.

  • Comment number 53.

    I have taken time to review the comments, mainly on the Lewis/Felipe incident. My, my aren't we all just the most expert of pundits....NOT. If you have raced in motor sport for a living, comments like we had from MB and MC have validity. The rest of us are passionate observers and our comments should be viewed in context. My own view being the collision was a 'racing incident' and neither driver should have served any additional penalty. To disparage Felipe as a 'Sunday Driver' of today and MB as one from a previous (dangerous) age is the most laughable comment I've seen in a long time. However, it all goes to make up the wonderful spectacle that is Formula 1 and it would not be the same if such diverse views were not expressed. Congratulations to India for getting it almost right and remembered condolences to Dan and Marco who represent the spirit of all talented motor racing individuals and I wish I was a Sunday driver/rider just like them all.

  • Comment number 54.

    Great race from Buddh India, not bad fpr a 1st attempt, however I didnt like the pit lane exit right into a hairpin corner. Also a few corners had suspension breaking kerbs, maybe they can sort things out for next year. Sadly I fear this is my last season for Formula1, it is moving from free to air to pay subscription, and I cannot justify the extra £600 per year. Ah well as in life sometimes you have to say goodbye to love, and get on with things, I am sure I can find something to occupy the 20 weekends a year that Formula1 takes up.
    No to SKYTV

  • Comment number 55.

    i did not watch the race, but another lewis headline, lol how many is it this year, the BBC team who cover the formula for some reason dont like lewis, anyhting about lewis bang thats it lewis is in the wrong, especially eddie and david, in a way its good formula 1 is going to sky i cannot stand the bais towards vettel and the total lewis bashing, i hope sky dont do that as well, as for vettel what shall i say webber is not a higher class driver, vettl with the fastest car along with a b class driver is going to wipe the floor with him, vettel is very lucky here are few reasons.

    red bull i think would provide a race wining car for the next and the year after, red bull hold at least 0.2 second advantage, so his got a car more than capabale to win a race.

    than he would leave to go ferrari, when alonso in his prime now in two years time who knows alonso might be like webber, but vettel would be improving and coming slowly to his prime and if ferrari can give a race wining car he will dominate.
    And the bbc team eddie and DC can continue their bias remarks towards vettel

  • Comment number 56.

    48 John.

    I stand by what I said (backed up by others too). Any DELIBERATE attempt to crash into someone else in this sport should not be allowed - and prevented. Yes Lewis has had some unfortunate coming togethers this year, but not one of them was a DELIBERATE attempt to take another driver off the road (like Massa's was) - possibly resulting in serious injury - or death :(

  • Comment number 57.

    Today Lewis was at fault for the incident, he was half a car length behind in the entry to the corner, so massa had every right to take the racing line. Only i think that no penalty should have been awarded as massa's race was not directly affected by the incident, whereas Lewis had to pit. Similar reasoning to the incident in Singapore.

    I find it interesting how the Hamilton fans have been calling out for consistency by the stewards and yet when he is found to be wrongly innocent this has been ignored...

  • Comment number 58.

    38 and 43

    Thats how I also viewed it, massa made is one and only allowed defensive move just before the corner, Hamilton switched to the inside and Massa was clearly seen looking in his mirror and clearly knew hamilton was up the inside of him.

    Hamilton had to break earlier as had he braked late he would of gone into massa around the corner, Massa was later on the breaks and turned into him.

    From the replys is clear that Massa probably did it on Purpose and as such should have a harsher penalty i.e grid drop at the next race or even banned for a race considering the deaths we have seen over the last couple of weeks in F1

    To be fair with Brundle and Coultard they did say they where sitting on the fence and acknowledge the stewards had more views of the incident.

  • Comment number 59.

    At 16:24 30th Oct 2011, African_king wrote:

    African_king, I've already stated I am a fan of his driving. But I am sick of the hype around him when he is just another arrogant F1 driver. His attitude this year has been honking, he has caused so many avoidable accidents with his contemptous attitude. His attitude this year has been every bit the super inflated ego. He needs to get back to being the great f1 driver we know he can be and I am confident he will.

  • Comment number 60.

    48.
    At 16:25 30th Oct 2011, John wrote:

    I've got to laugh at 43...

    Seriously? Come one man you are having a laugh with that comment. At the very worst that was a racing accident. There is no doubt that Massa was ahead into the corner. It was maybe a bit too aggressive for the stewards liking, but dont we all love it when Hamilton produces ultra aggressive driving?


    John, are you denying that fact Massa upon seeing Hamilton in his line, then decided to turn it?
    and to those people saying Massa had the right to turn in his racing line, NO HE DIDNT BECAUSE THEY WAS A HALF A CAR IN THE LINE Which he had looked over and seen completely

  • Comment number 61.

    Just reading some quite entertaining posts
    Q. in quali 3 yesterday did'nt Massa wreck his cars suspension through careless driving?
    A. yes
    Then even after the Hamilton coming together, he does exactly the same thing. Some would question his ability....... would'nt they ??

  • Comment number 62.

    @John
    IT doesnt matter if you are a fan of his driving, it s peaople like you that paint him as the vilain when he is nothing of the sort,

    give me an example of attitude he displayed to paint him into the words you discribed him as??????

  • Comment number 63.

    60.African_King

    Actually is was more 2/3's along side at one point

  • Comment number 64.

    @ 51 Are you obsessed with him or something?
    The guy is an arrogant, accident-prone bore most of the time. Button deserves much more attention; better driver and an altogether more pleasant and engaging personality.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    you must a lewis hater, thats the correct term right; i dont agree with you his a bteer driver

    people are saying lewis is having the owrst season in formlua 1 even lewis has admitted himself, fine on the other hand button had his best season in formula 1
    lewis won two races button 3 lewis had more penalties and less podiums thats for sure compared to button, but thats lewis having the worst season in formula 1 and his just behind jenson in race wins, so imagine if lewis was on form you dummy,
    as far as personalities its your option who you like but dont need to blurt it out

  • Comment number 65.

    It is not the first time this season that 'not being able to see in the mirrors' been used as an excuse by more than one driver. Nowhere else to suggest this so why not here. The solution COULD lie in something we use every day (well some of us) and that is parking sensors.

    Adapt these as proximity sensors around the car and if a car comes up either side to overtake/pass then an audible noise can sound in the helmet of the driver. Say in todays instance a sound could have gone off on the left side of PM's helmet to warn him of a driver coming left enabling him to be aware in his mirrors is someone coming alongside him. Again if it was on the right then a sound delivered to the right side of the helmet. I'm sure with the technology in F1 this could be fine tuned to suit and tested.

    No more I didn't know he was there scenarios and it would certainly be of use in the rain. (Please send cheque for idea in the post Bernie!)

    As far as today goes it was inevitable that with LH having the quicker car and desperate to get passed and PM desperate not to let him then what happened was no surprise. There has been plenty of close wheel to wheel action this season without mishap, Alonso/Webber - Hamilton/Webber - Alonso-Vettel to name but a few however when these two get together it always seems to be more Touring Cars than F1.

    Still makes for good viewing for us neutrals and despite what any of us say on here what's happened has happened and no-one can change that.

    RIP Dan and Marco and thanks for all of the memories from a true motor racing fan of both 2 and 4 wheels.

  • Comment number 66.

    58. At 16:31 30th Oct 2011, Red_5 wrote:
    To be fair with Brundle and Coultard they did say they where sitting on the fence and acknowledge the stewards had more views of the incident.
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    I don't call presenting all the reasons why it's Lewis' fault sitting on the fence!!!!!

  • Comment number 67.

    20. You should really wake up and realise that Hamilton is no where near the same driver he was when he entered the sport. When he entered the sport he was a young, professional and glowing example as to what hard work and dedication can get you. In the last two years since splitting with his father as manager and gaining the 'celebrity' girlfriend his professionalism on and off the track have been affected. Still an immensely talented driver but only seems to have bad days these days rather than the good ones we were all used to when he first started and today when he was lapping 1.5 secs a lap slower than Button and also in Japan when he even admitted himself he was 'off the pace' are clear examples of this. Today's incident was just another example of Hamilton being sluggish and I agree with the commentators when they said that he could easily have not tried the move at that particular corner and attempt it next lap on the long straight or on the pit straight itself. Also to bad mouth Brundle and Coulthard who were at the top for many many years just comes across as ignorant.
    The sport will be all the better if we have a new Hamilton next year which he is promising. Lets just hope he can forget about these last baron seasons and come out fighting next year.

  • Comment number 68.

    "John, are you denying that fact Massa upon seeing Hamilton in his line, then decided to turn it?
    and to those people saying Massa had the right to turn in his racing line, NO HE DIDNT BECAUSE THEY WAS A HALF A CAR IN THE LINE Which he had looked over and seen completely"

    My take is that Massa saw Hamilton in his mirror coming up the inside. But you dont concede the corner until after the braking zone... he outbreaks Lewis and takes his normal line. Lewis tries to pull out, but just a little tto late. It was very close, another 10cm and it was lewis corner. I have to put it down to a racing accident tbh and I agree with MB and DC. To blame Massa or label him dangerous is wildly off the mark.

  • Comment number 69.

    Agree with 56.... 57, you must have access to better info than the stewards...

  • Comment number 70.

    This has been the most boring season for years.

    The championship was over before it began and the dry races have been snorefests.

    That's why Hamilton still gets all the attention; there has been so little happening at the front of the races that his incidents are the only thing left to talk about.

    Afterall there are only so many different ways you can say "Vettel started on pole and led from start to finish with little incident".

  • Comment number 71.

    African_king, I've already stated I am a fan of his driving. But I am sick of the hype around him when he is just another arrogant F1 driver. His attitude this year has been honking, he has caused so many avoidable accidents with his contemptous attitude. His attitude this year has been every bit the super inflated ego. He needs to get back to being the great f1 driver we know he can be and I am confident he will
    @ john the hype around him johnnny boy alonso thinks lewis is the fastest driver currently

    link below

    http://patronisef1.com/index.php/f1-news/2011-news/february-2011/4712-alonso-calls-hamilton-f1s-fastest-driver

  • Comment number 72.

    I am very surprised at Brundle and coultard, they seem to discredit lewis at every turn he takes. If he smiles, they say he is smirking, keeps quite, he is arrogant, I never see Mark webber smile., Schumi always cuts those two down to size, He does not give them the day or time so they turn their anger to Lewis. They are suppossed to be fair but they are difinetly either bullying lewis through the media or want him out of the F1. Look at football currently , there is racism creeping in again. Do we have to worry about brundle and coulthard as bullies or losers??????

  • Comment number 73.

    Hamiltons probably is the fastest, but it doesn't make hime the best driver. At the risk of stating the obvious.

  • Comment number 74.

    I'd say it wasn't Hamiltons fault, but, with the regs as they are it would be easy too put some blame on him.
    Isn't it time that with DRS and kers the overtaking rules need some review? Namely that the driver in front has a duty too be aware of a possible faster car coming alonside him and beating him into the line for a tight corner, as we saw today, the fact that the wheels weren't level or whatever only serves too allow a chopping move in the corner.
    With regard too the comments on here about the arrogance, etc of LH. Its the usual stuff, and being a tax exile certainly doesn't help. But, and there have been blogs on the bbc sport section about it, he has been one of the quietest, most subdued racers this year !

  • Comment number 75.

    Christ, another Lewis bashing blog by the BBC. I bet Sarah Holt is gutted she missed the opportunity for this one.
    Andrew your blog states that Lewis was "poised to pull off one of the great overtaking moves for which he is rightly famous" and "this time it was not Hamilton's fault" yet still can't avoid the temptation to revert to lazy BBC type.
    If this was about his lackof spped early on I could understand it but to note how good the move looked, concede it wasn't LH's fault and still produce another hatchet job is out of order.

    I keep thinking NO TO SKY but given the lack of BBC objectivity and appauling lack of balance perhaps it is better in Murdoch's hands.

  • Comment number 76.

    What i have a big problem with is people name calling Drivers they don't like just for no real reason.

    I am a himlton Fan, but you don't see me insulting other drivers for no reason, i call it as i see it and today everyone that calls themeselves fair know what Massa did deserved a drive thru or even more than just that
    But instead people come out and call Hamilton *arrogant petilant...* and all other sorts of rubbish, for what exactly??
    I SAY BEFORE YOU POST A COMMNET BE SURE TO WATCH THE INCIDENT IN QUESTION 1ST PLZ

  • Comment number 77.

    Re 69

    just watched the highlights above. still stick with original statement.

  • Comment number 78.

    agree with 72 anything lewis does seem unappropriate, im just stating my opinion
    formula 1 is a european sport and no black driver has a won world championship or has there been another balck driver before hamilton, lewis said it right " maybe its cause im black, its what ali g said"

  • Comment number 79.

    @ 73 fastest means the best just look at vettel his fast and has a wining car, if lewis had a wining car all he needs to do is just ride it home

  • Comment number 80.

    68.
    At 16:39 30th Oct 2011, John wrote:

    "John, are you denying that fact Massa upon seeing Hamilton in his line, then decided to turn it?
    and to those people saying Massa had the right to turn in his racing line, NO HE DIDNT BECAUSE THEY WAS A HALF A CAR IN THE LINE Which he had looked over and seen completely"

    My take is that Massa saw Hamilton in his mirror coming up the inside. But you dont concede the corner until after the braking zone... he outbreaks Lewis and takes his normal line. Lewis tries to pull out, but just a little tto late. It was very close, another 10cm and it was lewis corner. I have to put it down to a racing accident tbh and I agree with MB and DC. To blame Massa or label him dangerous is wildly off the mark.


    SO if this is the conclusion you came up with, why the name calling and blaming Hamilton??
    why not say this in a respectfull manner and we debate about it instead of your earlier comments filled with false accusations?
    wouldn't that have been much more pleasant :)
    (not that i agree with your take on the incident tho)

  • Comment number 81.

    @44

    "White British middle class (I am one and, let's face it, the sport is largely organised and governed by a creed I know only too well) is desperate to broaden the appeal of F1 (and other sporting/cultural activities) accross racial divides and 'create social champions'."

    What racist neo-liberal nonsense. You didn't create Lewis Hamilton. Lewis's talent won him the championship with car that wasn't the favourite to win. Bernie Ecclestone has more to gain from making Massa big in Brazil than any British pressure on Lewis. The truth is Massa is not as talented as the late great Senna and Lewis is far more comparable to his driving style and character. And ever since Lewis won the championship as the underdog Massa cannot accept the way his career has gone. This is added to by the anti-Lewis BBC agenda that started after Button joined McLaren. This is not new. It was debated most of the time on 606 forum. Well the BBC won't have anything to talk about soon. I hope Sky don't employ any of the dross commentating on the BBC at present. They know the only excitement they will generate is by having a go at Lewis.

  • Comment number 82.

    The same same old biased observation from Andrew and Martin. Where else should Lewis have made his legal move? in his bedroom. As for Martin brumble the least said about him the better, Massa is unprofessional little minded chap and should grow up.
    With the negative comments about the Indian grand prix. Please give them a break. They've pulled it off and deserve the praise. Off course many people were expecting failure. It didn't happen. If you want an exciting race, the short sighted chaps at F1 should bring in rules that will see the likes of Lewis not single handedly get punished for what they are paid to do and also engineers to develop cars to match red bull's pace.

  • Comment number 83.

    @79 then why is Hamilton so far behind Jenson?

    Jenson has driven with a maturity and calm that simply is not in Hamiltons locker (yet at least)

  • Comment number 84.

    Brasil, Thank you for picking up on the racial thing which is being disguised as lewis's fault at all times. take note that if that happened here in england, they would penalise lewis. If we investigate which stewards penalised lewis throughout the year, there will be no surprises there. Again I think racism is back in sports big time, for centuries we, have believed that no other nations were good at anything, but in the last century, we are nowhere near other races in sports. therefore hence the racial tactics are back.

  • Comment number 85.

    Hamilton/Massa contact,think Mr Herbert lost his nerve,myself thought it was 50/50.
    Sorry to say the Beebs coverage of F1 is turn into a farce what with the constant stream of cupid stunts ,gimmicks and musak with everything,not to mention the narcississtic Mr Jordan.One Top Gear is more than ample,thank you.Possibly SKY will not be so bad after all!

  • Comment number 86.

    remove the j and put the g you said it best @81

  • Comment number 87.

    #71. badfella0807 wrote:

    @ john the hype around him johnnny boy alonso thinks lewis is the fastest driver currently

    link below

    http://patronisef1.com/index.php/f1-news/2011-news/february-2011/4712-alonso-calls-hamilton-f1s-fastest-driver

    ----------

    This article was written before the season started?!!! Much more recently Alonso has, quite correctly, been singing Vettel's praises.

    Even then Alonso only said 'maybe' he was the fastest current driver (during close season). The article also indicates Alonso thought Schumacher would be his main competitor for the 2011 WDC.

    Wrong on both counts!

  • Comment number 88.

    Wow didn`t know so many Blind people watch F1

    I don`t know if I was watching a different race than some of you but on my T.V (from the trackside camera) it shown LH almost a full car length up the inside of Massa, then as the corner approached you could see LH brake early and well before Massa to prevent the inevitable.

    I think LH could see what was about to happen and TRIED to prevent it happening even though he had no obligation to do so as he was on the inside and clearly visible to Massa.

    Watch it again (from the trackside camera) and watch them both brake then look at the positions of the cars when they start to brake and you will see Massa was completely in the wrong.

    The steward were bang on with the incident and no I am not a LH fanboy and have agreed with a lot of the punishments he has received previously.

  • Comment number 89.

    re 64 badfella.

    You don't share my opinion, that's fine. No problem with that. But I do have a problem with you being gratuitously insulting just because you don't agree with me and think your statistics prove me wrong.
    My main point is that after every F1 race, these blogs focus on Hamilton first and foremost, when he has done very little this season to merit such attention.

  • Comment number 90.

    has to be said it was a pretty terrible race,once vettel got in front from the 1st lap, and it was over once jenson got in 2nd has he hasnt the speed to come close to vettel.very deserving world champ,have to hand it to him he has class

    on hamilton i think the main issue he has are these pirelli tyres,he cannot conserve them if he is going fast,they penalise aggressive driving which is a shame but they are,what they are,plus also how do they expect hamilton to jump massa in the 1st round of stops if they take a full second longer than jensons stop,are they trying to ruin his races on porpose or what,this continually happens race after race.i suspect he is not happy with the team

    i want to know how the heck does vettel get a blistering time,again and again it is crazy the tyres never degrade for him.in q3 he only needed 1 run to set up the temps in the tyre whereas hamilton and webber needed 2,is this normal or im i missing something. i hope they clean the track next year as the overtaking was all in the DRS zones.

    was there damage to hamiltons car as he was losing alot of time to the mercs(18 secs of nico),i dont know but hamilton has is the only friver to consistantly test and race vettel this year if had that other redbull massa would be a distant ,horrible memory

    massa realy needs to sort himself out.blaming kerbs in which no other driver has a problem with,scapegoating hamilton,i think this is his last season as a ferrari driver,unfortunatly.back before his accident was a better driver than button and webber,he would've wiped the floor with both

  • Comment number 91.

    @ 75 well said!

    Had there not been the latest Massa vs Hamilton coming together then you do wonder if the BBC would have even bothered with a blog after this race!

  • Comment number 92.

    77... would love to know which footage you saw and why the stewards, and most people here, didn't.

  • Comment number 93.

    Enough is a Enough. I have to admit I do support ferrari. These two need to sort themselves out, they should sit down and sort it. Massa has been off, but since the start off the second half Massa has improved. I think next year, if he sorts himself he could get some podiums and even a win. I think Lewis will win or challenge for the title next year.

  • Comment number 94.

    Oh Come-on Jenius99, I am white , grew up in apatheid fulled world. You know the truth deep down. No matter what you say, Lewis is a victim of circumstances.

  • Comment number 95.

    Another DULL DULL DULL race the Red Bulls dominance in Mr one Fingers hand evident from the first corner to the last ......DEAD DULL or what .......Credit were credits due he once again builds a lead before first round of pit stops then defends his lead till the end being able to match or beat anything thats thrown at him and when you are fundamentally driving a quicker car the victory is a forgone conclusion have been saying this for some time but i am hoping that Mclaren can sort them selves out for next season or i fear i will switch off like i did in the early 00s when schumi was strolling to title after title.As for the incident me thinks Massa has a large chip on his shoulder when it comes to Hamilton perhaps steming from the title decider in Brazil 08 ? Today he clearly knew he was coming up the inside and chose to shut the door thinking that as usual Hamilton would get the penalty so when he Massa got a drive through i had a very large smile on my face time to pack your bags Felipe

  • Comment number 96.

    83.
    At 16:51 30th Oct 2011, John wrote:

    @79 then why is Hamilton so far behind Jenson?

    Jenson has driven with a maturity and calm that simply is not in Hamiltons locker (yet at least)
    -------------

    Because by Hamilton own words, he is having a stinker of a season filled with self errors, team errors and incidents like today.

  • Comment number 97.

    87 true he said maybe, and yes it was in 2010 he also said that to vettel but he said the machinary helped him more, and yes lewis and alonso have been singing praise what do you think they would do just say he had the best car thats why vettl won ( thats what i think), if lewis did that he would be murdered by eddie and DC about respecting your opponenet and his bashing would continue

  • Comment number 98.

    POLL - Vote here on whether you think Massa deserved his drive through

    http://www.f1predictions.net/polls/results/index.php?pollnum=11

  • Comment number 99.

    @96

    hence he aint the best driver on the grid (this season anyway)

    His attitude has (IMHO) been his biggest downfall this year. He needs to take at look at Jensons professionalism and makes a few adjustments to his own.

  • Comment number 100.

    @98 no need to vote, it was clearly Massa trying to take out Lewis.

    With the loss of two racers recently what was he thinking!!!!

 

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