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Andrew Benson | 06:00 UK time, Wednesday, 4 May 2011

Rubens Barrichello is the latest driver to choose his five favourite all-time grands prix for our new-look classic Formula 1 series.

For those unfamiliar with the format, BBC Sport has asked all the F1 drivers to reveal their five favourite races and we are serialising their choices before every race this season to whet your appetites for the action to come. Highlights will be shown on this website and the red button on BBC television in the UK.

So far, we have had world champion Sebastian Vettel, F1 legend Michael Schumacher and Toro Rosso's Sebastien Buemi. Ahead of this weekend's Turkish Grand Prix, we have the most experienced F1 driver in history.

Barrichello's selection of races cover his life both before and during his F1 career. He has chosen three grands prix from his childhood, and two from his time in F1.

He gave his choices in chronological order, and his first is a particularly fascinating one.

It is an event that wraps up in one pretty much all the many aspects that make the sport such a compelling spectacle for millions of fans around the world - from the thrills of the world's greatest drivers battling for supremacy in the fastest cars, to the tragedy that inevitably occasionally visits an activity from which danger can never be fully removed.

The race in question is the 1978 Italian Grand Prix. It is notorious for a terrible crash at the start which eventually claimed the life of the legendary Ronnie Peterson, but also featured a thrilling fight for the lead between world champion elect Mario Andretti of Lotus (Peterson's team-mate) and Ferrari's Gilles Villeneuve. Brabham's Niki Lauda, who finished third on the road, was classified as the winner after Andretti and Villeneuve, first and second across the line, were penalised a minute for jumping the start.

This is Barrichello's reason for choosing that race: "The one that I remember from a very long time ago is the very first one I saw in Monza where Ronnie Peterson died in a big accident in 1978. It was the very first race that I saw on television, it's a very sad one but a classic one for me."

In chronological order, his other choices are as follows, in his own words:

1983 US Grand Prix, Long Beach

"It was the race when Keke Rosberg did a 360º spin and he kept on going for Williams. In my head it was just phenomenal."

1985 Portuguese Grand Prix, Estoril

"When Ayrton Senna won his first race in Portugal in 1985, it was also special for me. First of all because I had him as a mentor but also because he was just so fantastic in the way he drove every time he got into the car.

"Though he was to go on to win three championships, that day in Portugal he hadn't won a Formula 1 race before. It was so wet and everyone was crashing out, stopping and so on but Senna held on from pole to lead the race and it was so nice when he hung on to win in the Lotus.

2000 German Grand Prix, Hockenheim

"I love to watch my race in Hockenheim in 2000 when I took my first grand prix victory from the back of the grid.

"I had a problem with my car, it wasn't ready for qualifying, and then 20 minutes into the session it started to rain and I ended up qualifying back in 18th for Ferrari. I just wanted Saturday to go and for Sunday to come. I was sad because Hockenheim's a good race track and I knew I had a good chance of a podium.

"But I started the race just wishing the weekend to go and then all of a sudden on Sunday, I was overtaking, overtaking and overtaking. I saw my chance to win the race - and I did."

2008 British Grand Prix, Silverstone

"The other one that I love to watch is the British Grand Prix in the wet at Silverstone. We Brazilians do like the rain - and I've had a lot of practice in the wet in the Brazil right from my karting days.

"That race at Silverstone, I was soaked inside the car. When the Honda guys asked me what tyres I wanted, I said 'wet tyres'. Then they told me that others were going out on the intermediates and I said: 'They must be crazy because it's raining really heavily.' But that's how I got up (the order) during the race.

"I was a lap behind Lewis Hamilton's McLaren. He went on to win the race, but I took that back and I was going on. It felt so great to drive a car that was not that good but with better tyres than the others. I was able to overtake the others and finish on the podium."

With each driver, we choose one of their races to highlight and for Barrichello we have picked Monza 1978. That's because we have not shown it before, whereas all his other choices have featured in classic F1 over the last two years.

Usually, we would show the entire 'Grand Prix' highlights programme that was broadcast on the evening of the race. In this case, however, we have had to edit it because we felt some of the coverage of Peterson's crash was inappropriate.

As a result, the video starts with commentator Murray Walker summing up the events at the first start before reconvening for the second one.

The long highlights are embedded below. Underneath them are both short and long highlights of last year's Turkish Grand Prix, to further whet your appetites for this weekend's race.

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WATCH SHORT HIGHLIGHTS OF THE 2010 TURKISH GRAND PRIX WATCH LONG HIGHLIGHTS OF THE 2010 TURKISH GRAND PRIX

I'm sure you'll remember it was one of the most thrilling races of 2010. Red Bull team-mates Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber crashed while disputing the lead. That left McLaren team-mates Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button up front and they had their own little tussle, passing and re-passing before they were told to ease off, Hamilton going on to win.

We will be showing short highlights from the 1983 US Grand Prix West 1983, Portugal 1985, Germany 2000 and Great Britain 2008 as well as long highlights from Turkey 2010 on the red button on BBC digital television in the UK.

Satellite and cable viewers will be able to watch them from 1500 BST on Wednesday 4 May until 12 noon Saturday 7 May.

They will be on Freeview from 0940-1150 BST on Friday 6 May and 1010-1050 BST on Saturday 7 May. The shorter window on Saturday means there will only be time for US West 1983, Portugal 1985, Germany 2000 and Great Britain 2008.

We hope you enjoy them.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    1978 Great! however I think that the editing out the Peterson tragedy was itself 'inappropriate'. I'm sure there will be a split in the forum of those who feel that history should have been shown and others who feel it was right to remove the footage but what's don is done. As for '83 and '85 did you not just show shortened highlights of these races? Could you not have chosen to show one or both of these in their full highlights edition? Moan over. Thanks for the crumbs we get.

  • Comment number 2.

    Excellent choices, Rubens.

  • Comment number 3.

    Great choice I would of thought you would of picked one that you raced in.

  • Comment number 4.

    I've just watched the crash on youtube and believe the BBC has made the wrong decision in not showing the crash. Compared to other crashes, it appears no worse but more importantly, it clearly shows who is to blame - the starter who doesn't wait for all the cars to stop before changing the lights to green. Because the cars at the back were still rolling, it meant they all bunched up as they caught up with the leaders at the first bend. I also believe the viewers have missed out on watching James Hunt and other drivers, heroic attemps to pull Peterson from the flaming car. However, I do feel footage of Peterson being treated etc should be cut

  • Comment number 5.

    Yes, I think it was a bit daft not to show it. After all Ronnie didn't die in the crash. He suffered badly broken legs only succumbing to his injuries after emergency operations in hospital. Thats why his death was such a shock at the time.
    The reaction to the crash was very controversial with Hunt being extremely vocal over the driving of Ricardo Patrese and demanding he be banned.
    Yet whenever I watched the footage I felt the blame lay with Hunt himself although it was difficult to be 100% sure.

    The treatment of Patrese at the time though was incredibly unfair. I was very pleased he overcame this setback and went on to be such a successful driver in the sport.

    Good choices Rubens

  • Comment number 6.

    Good choices from Rubens, hopefully the nay sayers will pipe down this weekend!

    I haven't seen the 1978 Italian GP before, so I'm split on whether the choice to edit was a good one or not. However I trust the judgement that in the interests of tact, editing it was probably the correct decision, especially as anyone who wants to view the crash itself can find it on youtube.

    Good choice again Rubeno!

  • Comment number 7.

    Great choice Rubens. Nice to see a selection over a widespread timeframe. Never seen the Peterson crash but agree with Flash that it is part of the sport's history and should not be overlooked - especially as Rubens himself explains what affec it had on him. Dependin on its severity - like I say I haven't sen it - would not a strapline saying it contains potentially upsetting images etc not be enough? It was by the sound of things shown back in 1978 highlights.
    Anyway they are my thoughts and if there is any doubt then porbably best to play safe. Lovign this feature this year as it gives a nice insight in drivers pre-F1.

    While on the subject of Williams: The Chequered Flag: "Williams reshuffle after worst start" - Coughlan in; Michael out: http://tinyurl.com/4y5yrmu

  • Comment number 8.

    I agree with other posts that say we should show Peterson's crash. After all, as Andrew himself says in the blog, the event wraps up all aspects of the sport at the time, including the tragedy. Edit it out and pretend this great driver never competed in the race? The scenes themselves are harrowing but not graphic, and if ever you needed evidence of how far the sport has come, this is a prime example. Pleeeease have a rethink. It could be shown after the watershed perhaps, and/or preceded by a warning that some viewers might find the scenes disturbing.

  • Comment number 9.

    addendum: and thanks to Rubens for his choices too of course :-)

  • Comment number 10.

    It's arguable that Peterson's injuries, whilst serious, weren't even life-threatening if he'd received prompt medical attention. Hunt's quick action ensured he only sustained very minor burns. However, poor organisation meant that treament of his leg fractures was delayed (medical staff + the ambulance took forever to reach him and then get him to the hospital due to the crowds) and that allowed serious complications to develop that ultimately claimed his life.

    His death was not in vain though. The lessons learned led to much improved medical response times, particularly in relation to first lap pile-ups (ever wonder why there is a medical car lined up at the back of the grid on all F1 starts these days?).

  • Comment number 11.

    Rubens is one of the most popular drivers on the Grid and does great work for communities behind the scenes.his career seems to have taken off after leaving ferrari.I think his success at Brazil and silverstone must be his favourite races.Hope Williams can give him a car that he deserves.....Don't forget he did beat the stigg???

  • Comment number 12.

    Great choices from Rubens, agree that is was daft not to show Ronnie Peterson's crash considering you can watch it free on YouTube. I'm just pleased that this fantastic feature of the BBC's coverage has continued for this year. Thanks Andrew!

  • Comment number 13.

    Great to see someone choosing races from an earlier era.

    I agree with those that say the crash at the first start should have been included. From what I have seen before it wasn't overly graphic, although obviously shocking in terms of the fire, and knowing what would happen later. It serves as a reminder of an era where, although much improved since the 50's and 60's, the threat of death or major injury was so much higher than today. Indeed for those whose experience of F1 is fairly recent it may serve as an education of where the sport has come from, and I think it's important for people to appreciate just why such importance is placed on safety these days.

    Someone mentioned Patrese being unfairly treated. Hunt was the most vocal in blaming him, possibly because Hunt himself was thought by some to be at fault initially. There was support for his view though, and I seem to recall that Patrese was banned from the next race, although this was a knee-jerk reaction from the authorities rather than being based on actual evidence. Patrese was new to F1 at that time so it was easy to blame the new guy. I don't think the blame for the accident has ever really been proven. Some say Patrese, some say Hunt (who continued to bad-mouth Patrese for years), and some blame the starter. Certainly the starter failing to make sure all cars had come to a halt before starting the race would have been a contribution (and that certainly wouldn't occur these days), but cars still moving as the race started wasn't exactly rare in those days (I have seen a few clips of starts in the 60's and 70's where some cars are clearly still moving as the green flag is waved, or lights turn green). Most likely it was multiple factors and it was never possible to put the blame simply one person.

    Anyway, nice choice of races from Rubens. Hope other drivers keep up the standard by choosing some older races as well as ones that featured themselves.

  • Comment number 14.

    1978 Italian Grand Prix.Just exactly who are we 'protecting' by editing out the first start?Most viewers are aware of the history of deaths in F1.This was a start line accident which is historically relevant to any fan ,young or old,of F1.If a future driver chooses the 1986 British Grand prix as a favourite race,Is the 1st start going to be edited because Jacques Laffitte (like Ronnie) broke both his legs?Like #10 wrote , It was because of this crash that drivers received better attention after a crash at the start(Palletti sadly,In 82 did not though).So,wrong and patronising to new and old fans not to include the first start!The 60 second penalty passed down to messers Andretti and Villeneuve totally made a mockery of the result also, a 10 second stop and go would have been fairer and would have created a much closer finish.

  • Comment number 15.

    Ronnie is one of the true legends for me - I was sure he would have been champion if he had not been #2 to Mario.

    Rubens has made some wonderful choices, the best yet!

    On the idea of a 10 second stop go, I don't think it existed as a penalty in those days. But they could have been called in for a chat with the stewards (can't recall the exact flag, black with a white square?). Used very occasionally and a heck of a lot longer than 10 secs!
    But you have to remember that the jump start was adjudged by people on the pit wall in those days and it took time to collate and review the evidence. The sport was so much more raw in those days - we tend to forget the dangers are still there, mostly it seems from debris these days. A reminder of which was how close the loose wheel was to hitting people in the last race.

  • Comment number 16.

    While I do feel Peterson's death should be known for the sake of history, I can fully understand it's removal. As I sit here on a sunny Wednesday, seeing an accident that resulted in a death would make me uncomfortable. By mentioning it, if people want to see it, it is not hard to track down on Youtube etc.

    Anyway, great list from Ruby, I'm enjoying all the races from before I was born and from the time between my birth and starting to watch F1 (Suzuka 96). I'll definitely watch these when I get a free moment.

  • Comment number 17.

    Great choices by Rubens there :)

    No need to edit out Peterson's accident. If folk haven't seen it, they'll only go and check it out on YouTube. Daft move, and I almost never complain about anything here!

    But, once again, a great selection of races for us to enjoy. :)

  • Comment number 18.

    I agree that some of the Petersen coverage might need to be edited but the crash itself is an important part of F1 history.

    Petersen died (as other comments have said) as a result of deficiencies in the medical arrangements. His accident (amongst other tragedies) shaped the future of F1 in terms of medical provision and safety regulations.

    Complaint finished... well done Rubens for picking such a fine spread of races!

  • Comment number 19.

    I don't see what exactly is 'inappropriate' in showing a racing incident. If Peterson hadn't died as a result, would it have been shown....? Of course it would. But to suggest what elements of a race are 'appropriate' or not is a tad patronising, especially when (in this case) the actual incident has been a talking point for F1 fans for years. To not allow 'new' fans a chance to see what happened makes no sense to me, especially if (as other have pointed out) the 'notorious' incident is readily available to view on YouTube.

    All good race choices though, so thumbs up for Rubens.

  • Comment number 20.

    1985 Estoril & 1978 Monza...excellent!

  • Comment number 21.

    I am with those who say the crash should have been shown. The footage isn't graphic, the heroism of the drivers pulling Peterson from the wreckage should be shown and it is a major talking point in F1. The crash itself wouldn't have been fatal had the stewards not formed a ring around the crash preventing the F1 surgeon from reaching Peterson, had the ambulance arrived sooner and taken him to hospital quicker. Peterson died because marrow from his broken bones in his legs got into his blood causing him to die (don't know the technical term). As this cannot be seen in the footage I think it should have been shown, though if you really want to see it you can youtube it so maybe for those of a sensitive nature it is best to leave it out whilst those who want to see it can easily access it.

    As for where the blame lies, personally I would blame the starter. You can see the front row are not expecting the start and those lower down the grid got a jump start on those in front. Coupled with Peterson's poor start this meant the cars were bunched at the end of the straight meaning contact was inevitable. At the end of the day though, the two charged (a driver whose name escapes me and the starter) were both cleared so the authorities obviously don't hold any one person responsible.

    I would say to Rubens, great choice. Look at the discussion it has started!

  • Comment number 22.

    great choice once again, realy enjoyed buemis

  • Comment number 23.

    A good selection from Rubens spoilt by the editors. As other people have said, the Peterson accident is readily available to see elsewhere so why hide away from it?

    Whilst it is one of the darker moments in F1 history, it was an event that would help to shape the sport in the years ahead.

    If you didn't want to show the whole Monza programme, Portugal '85 should have been given the full treatment. That has only been shown in condensed format to date and would have given us an opportunity to see one of the sport's other great drivers winning his first Grand Prix.

  • Comment number 24.

    Good choices from a Driver who's proved over the years he's just in the sport because he loves Driving rather than being in it only to win or make money.

    Regarding Monza, as others have said, whilst i don't mind anything too gruesome being removed for the general public (eg, Bandini being burnt alive at Monaco) i think it is important to show actual crash footage because it gives us all a wake up call to just how brutal F1 used to be and how far we've come, and also the heroics of the Drivers at the time, in this case Hunt running towards the car to help. Its as important as showing footage from WWII..etc in driving home what happened.
    If the footage isn't shown, some younger fans may think all F1 crashes used to result in something like Turkey from last year with Webber & Vettel.

    Its also a shame Monza isn't being shown on the red button (assuming i've read the above correctly).

    Other than that, great choices and glad we've got them on the red button. Many Thanks

  • Comment number 25.

    Very good selection, Rubens drive from the back in Hockenhiem was excellent, I guess I'm perplexed at the editing decision, after watching the excellent BBC 4 documentary Grand Prix The Killing Years, which has far more horrific scenes (albeit in context and the point of the documentary), but this was viewable by anyone, anytime on iplayer for 30 days. It was an extremely sad documentary but it explained why Formula 1 needed to change so much during Jackie Stewards era. Given however the BBC were happy to show this documentary, editing the Peterson crash out makes little sense. For those of you that didn't see the documentary I cannot recommend it enough, it's heartbreaking and difficult to watch in places but it's really does help understand how we got to the safety measures which are taken for granted today. It also shows just how well respected amongst his peers Jim Clark was, it's rare to see any GP driver accept someone is just better than them, Clark was a rare driver, a pure genius behind the wheel.

  • Comment number 26.

    Andrew - Please can you explain why the bbc F1 team have conveniently left out another pivitol part in the the Turkish GP highlights - The part in question for the radio message between Lewis & his engineer about 'jenson gaining on Lewis and if Lewis slows down will jenson pass him'.

    This was another major talking point of the race and the bbc have edited it out!

    I think it was a major failure on the part of the beeb to just leave it out altogether.
    -So basically as far as Im concerned, this race edit by the beeb has failed to show the vital parts of this race.

    -Any explaination andrew?

  • Comment number 27.

    Hi Andrew,

    A few comments:

    1) Thanks again for this feature. It would be great if some of your historical knowledge could make its way into the BBC1 broadcasts. I know there are other people on the team who also have historical knowledge (most of the talent, Mark W, Mark H, Steve), but it rarely shows on screen.

    For example, could the team on site film the drivers talking about their Classic GP choices. You could then show that with snippets of the races in the qualifying/pre-race shows, with a "see the full footage online or on the red button" call to action.
    It could help drive traffic to this section of the site, and make those new viewers who are becoming interested in F1 for the first time more aware of its history.

    2) Thank you Rubens for some great choices. Nice that they are not all from his career.

    3) I can understand why you edited the Monza 1978 programme, but personally, I think you should have shown the whole programme (maybe with just minor cuts of the post-crash footage) with a slate and voiceover at the end explaining what happended to Ronnie Peterson. These thing happen in motor racing - thankfully less frequently now than previously, but it's a part of motor racing history.

    As has been mentioned, the excellent BBC4 documentary about F1 in the 60s and 70s showed some pretty harrowing scenes (although very much justified and in context.)

    Finally, to the person criticising Andrew/the BBC for editing the McLaren radio out of the Turkey highlights: as far as I can recall, those transmissions only came to light in the week after the race, so the BBC have not edited them out of the highlights programme they showed on the evening of last year's race.

  • Comment number 28.

    Can understand why the footage was edited, but really thats a slippery slope to be on. It's interesting to note that you cant get Seb Vettel to stop swearing on national television in the middle of the day (twice during after race forums so far this season), yet you choose to doctor an event from 1978 for fear of offending someone?

    Could we please have a bit of consistency?

  • Comment number 29.

    Thank you so much Rubens for putting on Britain 2008!

  • Comment number 30.

    Great choices from Rubens especially the Estoril race, and I have wonderful memories of his first win at Hockenheim.

    My problem with the 1978 Italian GP is not the editing of the race to cut out the first start but that Villeneuve and Andretti weren't pulled into the pits to serve their stop-go penalties for jumping the start, but it was added later!

  • Comment number 31.

    This is the bonus of the older drivers such as Schumacher and Barrichello, we get some really brilliant choices from them.

    I have to agree with the previous comments regarding Peterson's crash, why edit it out? There was a program on recently called "GP racing- the killer years" on BBC 4, which was promoted on the BBC F1 website, which showed the very graphic footage of Bandini trapped in his burning car and the footage of Roger Williamson as David Purley tried to save him. You'll say it was broadcast after the watershed but this was featured on the iplayer and so was available to be seen at anytime of the day so why was that any different?

    As harrowing as it is to know Peterson died from the injuries he sustained in that accident, it was sadly a landmark moment in F1 safety. Personally, I am disappointed it was edited out. I'm 22 and wasn't alive to watch it happen but I have seen it before. As an F1 fan I am aware of the colossal impact it had. I feel it needed to be left to show people who are new to the sport the tragedies that took place before we reached the point the sport is at now.

  • Comment number 32.

    That was a great choice Rubens!! But a difficult point re Ronnie - he wasn't killed in the crash but from a thrombosis/embolism later on. So personally I think it could have been shown but appreciate the sensivity. So great to watch some great racing!! RIP Ronnie ...

  • Comment number 33.

    Hi all,

    Thank you for your comments so far – I’ll respond to the two main points that have come up.

    On the subject of the decision to edit out the Peterson crash from the Monza ’78 highlights, I can completely understand the views of those of you who disagree with this. However, there is a very big difference between watching (illegally) a fatal crash you have actively sought out on the internet and coming across one perhaps unawares when you were expecting to watch some racing.

    It is true that James Hunt was heroic in pulling Peterson out of the burning car – the footage of which was part of the reason why we cut it – and it is also true that Peterson died from surgical complications arising from his injuries, which should in theory have been survivable.

    But the fact is he did die as a result of the accident and having watched it there is no doubt in my mind that people would have been offended. I would ask you to bear in mind that we have to consider all of our audience, not just a select few. The comparison with the BBC4 documentary about the 1960s and ‘70s is invalid – that was a documentary, broadcast after the watershed, about fatalities in grand prix racing. Anyone turning it on would have had no doubt what to expect – and even then some of the footage was pretty harrowing. This blog and accompanying videos are a completely different matter.

    Equally invalid, for obvious reasons, is the comparison between Sebastian Vettel's risque comments in the Forum recently and the Monza video. One was on live television, when we have no control over what comes out of a driver's mouth. The other is a choice to re-broadcast footage of an accident that led to a man's death, 33 years after the event. It's a completely different issue.

    As for our decision to “edit out” the McLaren radio transmissions from Turkey last year, when Lewis Hamilton asked his team whether Jenson Button would pass him if he slowed down, and was told no, we have done no such thing.

    Those comments were not part of the live broadcast of the race. They came to light only in the formula1.com edit of the race shown on the internet some days afterwards, and we have no access to them. I did, however, write extensively on the subject at the time: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2010/06/new_evidence_for_hamiltons_dis.html

  • Comment number 34.

    Watching on Satellite tonight, the coverage went straight from the 2010 Highlights to 1983 Long Beach. Please can we get 78 Italy on there too?




  • Comment number 35.

    I fail to see how you can argue against removing the clip of the crash, and the heroic actions of the other driver, entirely.
    Surely you could simply put up a graphic images warning and give a point in the video a user can skip to in order to avoid the clips...?
    There are people who were not around at the time of the accident, as above comments elaborated on, the youngerviewers may not apreciate what the sport was like back then. Indeed, I only have any sort of (limited) understanding because of good old Youtube.
    I fail to see how you can argue against removing the clip of the crash, and the heroic actions of the other driver, entirely.
    Surely you could simply put up a graphic images warning and give a point in the video a user can skip to in order to avoid the clips...?
    There are people who were not around at the time of the accident, as above comments elaborated on, the youngerviewers may not apreciate what the sport was like back then. Indeed, I only have any sort of (limited) understanding because of good old Youtube.

  • Comment number 36.

    Firstly, excellent choices from Rubens (knew he would deliver on this feature)

    Andrew,
    I have to agree with almost all the previous comments (except your own).
    I was not born in 1978 and until today had no idea about the Peterson / the crash or the amazing selfless bravery of James Hunt on that day. Youtube is wonderful historical tool in times like these (sad that the BBC is forcing fans to use it for these reasons).

    You also refer to the "GP racing- the killer years" documentary on BBC 4 being shown after the watershed. I would also like to add “The Deadliest Crash: the Le Mans 1955 Disaster” from 16-Jan-2011 to this list (also shown post watershed).

    I am currently watching Classic GP on freesat & guess what the time is… (yep it’s post watershed). Can I also please point out that we are not asking for the full race, we are asking for the full highlights program that the BBC edited and considered fit for evening broadcast in 1978.

    Please can you explain:
    a) Why Italy 1978 is not being shown on Freesat at all at the moment?
    b) Why an already edited program which was deemed ok for broadcast in 1978 is not appropriate anymore.
    c) Since the Freesat coverage broadcasts all through the night why can't you show the full program then? (i.e. after the watershed)

    I also notice that this accident was the reason that Rubens remembers & chose this race in the first place.

    I would love to support you & the BBC in this decision but I cannot. Whist this was a big accident it is not graphic. From the pictures I have seen, all the concern was about Vittorio Brambilla (not Peterson) as his injuries appeared far worse, but he survived and raced again the next year.

    Pease reconsider this decision, if only for post watershed broadcasting.

  • Comment number 37.

    At last, a driver who is aware that F1 existed before 1990! Can't comment on the editing of the 1978 Italian Grand Prix, as I've yet to watch the footage, but I just wanted to comment on the choices that Rubens has made. I'm looking forward to watching some real classic Grand Prix. Thanks Rubinho!

  • Comment number 38.

    Why the hell would you edit the Peterson crash. For god's sake. What about 'The Deadliest Crash like Ninja Hedgehog said. Just warn people at the start of the video that some scenes may upset people. It's that simple.

  • Comment number 39.

    Huge appreciation for Rubens for selecting a race before the 1980's. Apart from Webber and Nico Rosberg, I doubt we will see another race prior to the 1980's with this format....so enjoy this one as much as possible.

  • Comment number 40.

    Eager anticipation, an almost full broadcast of a 1978 race. Unless of course you watch on Freesat (that was so promoted by the BBC). Why has this oganisation that has stood up for-free-to view broadcasting for so many years now taken to favour Sky and cable subscribers. Will Monza 78 be shown on Freeview on Friday 6th?

  • Comment number 41.

    And yes, I think the decision to edit Italy 1978 is a misguided decision. Hopefully you can address the situation and listen to the punters.

  • Comment number 42.

    Andrew, have you asked all of the drivers for their chosen races already? Just wondering if I should bother to build any hope for further classic F1 races before 1979?

  • Comment number 43.

    To everyone complaining about the editing of '78 Monza GP:

    Firstly read Andrew's comment above and explains why it was left out, secondly read Rubens reasons for choosing the race and the crash was no a part of it.

    What this blog does is gives us highlights of past grand prix's chosen by drivers, it is not a tool to look at F1 history which can be done on better suited web sites or in books. I can't see why you are all so upset, if you really want to see the footage it is freely available on youtube, so just watch it there & don't blame the BBC for their choices.

  • Comment number 44.

    "Highlights of past grand prix's" I think not if the main event of the race is cut entirely.

    "secondly read Rubens reasons for choosing the race and the crash was no a part of it."
    Actually, I think you will find Rubens said:
    "The one that I remember from a very long time ago is the very first one I saw in Monza where Ronnie Peterson died in a big accident in 1978. It was the very first race that I saw on television, it's a very sad one but a classic one for me."
    It is the ONLY EVENT of the race he even mentioned, far from not mentioning it at all...

    If there is a fear that people may be offended by a video, place a warning on it so they know not to watch it, simple.

    Also, in my previous post on here, the first line is supposed to read "how you can argue FOR" rather than "how you can argue against".

  • Comment number 45.

    I read the quotation wrong, fair enough. Even if it was an event in the race, IMO being the first one he watched on tv is why he put it in his selection.

    I can't see why it was cut out either, I have seen dead bodies and even a man getting shot on BBC news at 6 in the evening with no warnings! But my main point was simply ment to be - why all the uproar when the footage is available elsewhere, anyone interested in watching it can simply see it on another site.

  • Comment number 46.

    Just had something very interesting pointed out to me on the subject of Peterson's accident - footage of it was used, very much pre-watershed, in the build up to the 2010 Monza GP, along with several other fatal crashes: Senna, Von Trips & Rindt.
    The clip can be found here on youtube http://youtu.be/ehmIHyXCEWM

    Why was it ok to show these crashes then but not on this particular highlight video.

    I'm not saying that I think the editing of Peterson's accident in this instance was right or wrong, just that a little consistency would be nice.

  • Comment number 47.

    There seems to be an enormous sense of entitlement coming from the majority of people who comment on this blog. It's astonishing.

    What amazes me is that people are complaining that footage of a man being severely injured in a car crash was edited out from a video on the BBC website. The BBC can't control who watches this video and, as the parents out there will attest, kids are only going to be attracted by a strapline warning of disturbing images. I wouldn't want my son to see it. /I/ don't want to see it, no matter if it's part of F1's history.

    From the BBCs point of view, it's the correct decision. Stop complaining.

    No one is being "forced" to hunt the footage down on Youtube - that's a decision you've made yourself, don't blame others.

    @46

    The difference is that those are very short clips that do not focus on the man inside the car. The footage edited is extended coverage of the crash and efforts to get the man out of it.

  • Comment number 48.

    Andrew: your defence of the edit is fair enough I suppose, but it makes the inclusion of Barrichello's reasons for picking the race completely redundant: "The one that I remember from a very long time ago is the very first one I saw in Monza where Ronnie Peterson died in a big accident in 1978. It was the very first race that I saw on television, it's a very sad one but a classic one for me."

    To the uninitiated viewer (which I am not), there's no connection between Barrichello's reason for this choice, and the resulting footage. One other thing occurs to me - if you've expended the time and effort in editing the highlights programme, why not offer the edit and unedited versions on this blog, with a "WARNING: GRAPHIC FOOTAGE" on the unedited version?

  • Comment number 49.

    "Look at the rain! Look at the rain! Look at the rain!!"

    Great stuff this time round!

  • Comment number 50.

    Italy '78: First real historical(from my perspective) Grand Prix selection this season.

    With Peterson's crash well I'm not sure how I would have felt at the time, probably just stunned at such an accident. I certainly can't judge who's at fault because for better or worse, the Beeb have cut the highlights.

    As for the race itself, well I can't believe the stewards made the decision they did regarding Andretti and Villeneuve. Either you bung the drivers in the pits for a stop go or you save the decision till after the race.

    Would have been an impressive win for a fading Lauda though and fun to see Murray describing a young Bernie as one of the slyest operators in F1 at the time!

  • Comment number 51.

    Have to agree with 95% of the comments on here, the decision to edit out the Italy'78 crash footage is ill-judged. People are interested in the Classic F1 entries for the historical aspect of the sport, and the '78 Italian Grand Prix is an (unfortunate and tragic) historical event for F1 enthusiasts due to the events the BBC won't show !! It's patronising in the extreme and the pre/post watershed argument is completely redundant.

    In addition, what possible reason can there be for missing out this race on the red button ? Who is actually watching the reruns of last year's GP ? anyone into the sport enough (who else will be watching the Classic entries ?) will probably already have the highlights on DVD.

    The format this year is deeply flawed - what happens now that the two most experienced drivers have done their bit, back to highlights for the past 3 to 5 years ? What's wrong with asking F1 figures from the past ? Mansell, Piquet, Watson, Lauda etc would probably all have very interesting contributions..

    You can't keep all the people happy all the time but it seems pretty obvious what the majority of "Classic F1" fans want to see from the regular postings on this section, there are still plenty of races to show from the archives over 10 years old, and that's not including showing full highlights after short ones have been previously shown.

    I'm sure we are all grateful to the BBC for providing this service, but let's see the content the majority of us want, otherwise I'm sure many others like me will simply not be interested in seeing re-runs of GPs from the previous few years.

  • Comment number 52.

    It is a while since I signed in to post a comment, but here goes!

    Firstly, well done Rubens. Good choices, and your Hockenheim drive I still remember from the time. One of the great wins for anyone starting at the back.

    Secondly, I do not mean to offend anyone, but do people realise how morbid their combined posts make this article?
    I have been watching F1 avidly since the early 80's. I have seen a lot of nasty crashes and I have seen most of the fatal accidents at some point over the years. Anyone interested in F1, whether young or old will quickly become aware through the extensive written coverage that there is of F1, how dangerous a sport it has been over the years. The legacy's of those that have sadly lost their lives to this sport are never forgotten by anyone who enjoys F1, and the actions taken to avoid repeat occurances and the improvements in safety over the years are amazing. We don't need the actual footage to be aware of the incident. If the BBC choose not to show Petersons accident, then fair play to them. I suspect it was done to ensure that this article was a family friendly and enjoyable one rather than a traumatiser.
    As mentioned, regardless of legality, it is easy enough to find all the historical and often frightening clips you so desire elsewhere.

    Regarding 'The Killing Years' documentary, it was excellent, disturbing and very interesting. However, I do seem to recall watching it at lunchtime so I feel the watershed argument is a bit out of place.

    Again, I don't mean to offend anyone, I have read all posts up to the point where Andrew adds a comment and I think its a real shame that very few are posting positively about their memories or views on Rubens selection, and instead are dwelling on the exclusion of footage that was not part of the race (as it was aborted and restarted) and ultimately resulted in a fatal accident. I would also guess that Rubens did not choose this race because of the crash.

    Here's to a good race tomorrow!! Can't wait

  • Comment number 53.

    Rubens chose it for the right reasons. If you want the crash go to youtube!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4bKDHTbVww&feature=feedf

  • Comment number 54.

    Andrew,
    Most of this blog has been about the Monza 78 highlights. Here is point to be made:
    Freeview - Monza 78 NOT SHOWN
    Freesat - Monza 78 NOT SHOWN

    I know there is talk of F1 on Pay-tv, but I didn't think it already applied to the full broadcast of Classic GP.

 

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