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Andrew Benson | 09:07 UK time, Tuesday, 2 June 2009

The Turkish Grand Prix has had only a short history but the four races hosted by the Istanbul Park track have provided plenty of drama.

As a preview for this weekend's race, where Brawn's Jenson Button is chasing a sixth win in seven grands prix this year, our pick for our classic Formula 1 series is the inaugural event in 2005.

This was the only race in Turkey not won by Ferrari's Felipe Massa, who triumphed in the succeeding three grands prix at a track that, despite its novelty, is already a firm favourite among the drivers.

Designed, like so many of the new generation of modern F1 tracks, by Bernie Ecclestone's favoured architect Hermann Tilke, Istanbul Park stands alone in terms of quality.

To a large extent this is to do with the land that was chosen to build it on. While the tracks in China and, to a lesser extent Malaysia and Bahrain, are on largely flat land, Turkey's makes the most of the hilly terrain on the eastern side of the Bosphorus.

In that, it follows the grand tradition of great F1 tracks such as Spa-Francorchamps and the old Nurburgring.

While no-one in their right mind would class Istanbul Park in that company, its twists and undulations still provide a demanding challenge for today's grand prix cars and their drivers.

And its crowning glory is the stupendous Turn Eight, a 165mph left-hander with four apexes that puts the drivers' neck muscles through perhaps their stiffest test of the entire season.

It has also proved to be a key corner in the races held in Turkey so far. The highlights are linked below, and available on the red button from 0830 BST on Wednesday morning, although space restrictions on Freeview because of the French Open mean it will only be available on satellite and cable.

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Watch short highlights of the 2006 Turkish Grand Prix
Watch short highlights of the 2007 Turkish Grand Prix
Watch short highlights of the 2008 Turkish Grand Prix

In 2005, McLaren's Juan Pablo Montoya appeared to be cruising to a comfortable second place behind his dominant team-mate Kimi Raikkonen when he ran into trouble at the corner with two laps to go.

At the end of the previous lap, the Colombian had been hit from behind while lapping the Jordan of Tiago Monteiro. Obviously, it is a backmarker's duty to keep out of the way of the front-runners, but in this incident Montoya had not helped himself by cutting back in front of the Jordan in the braking area.

The two cars cannoned off the track and while Montoya was able to rejoin without losing a place, he now had the Renault of world championship leader Fernando Alonso breathing down his neck.

And, turning into Turn Eight for the first time since the collision, Montoya found his car, damaged in the collision with Monteiro, did not have the downforce it had previously.

On the limit at 160mph-plus is hardly the best moment to discover this - and Montoya ran off the track, allowing a grateful Alonso through into second place, thus limiting the damage Raikkonen, his closest rival, was able to do to the Renault man's already substantial championship lead.

Turn Eight was to be a feature in the outcome again in 2007 and 2008. In 2007, Lewis Hamilton appeared on course for third place behind a Ferrari one-two when his McLaren's front left tyre exploded through the corner in the late stages of the race, demoting the Englishman to an eventual fifth and team-mate Alonso to third.

Initially, this looked like bad luck, but it turned out that Hamilton's oversteer-biased driving style was to blame - it asks more of the front tyres, particularly the loaded-up outside one, than other drivers, and his style, combined with the demands of Turn Eight, had overworked it.

This characteristic also hampered Hamilton's hopes of beating Massa last year. Now alive to the problem, if unable to solve it, McLaren had to put Hamilton on an unfavourable three-stop strategy to ensure his tyres lasted.

It livened up the early stages of the race, with Hamilton, lighter on fuel, challenging Massa, and even passing him at one stage. But it was an illusion, and he had to settle for a valiant second.

Whether this problem afflicts Hamilton again this year remains to be seen. Either way, it is likely to be a side issue, as McLaren, lacking downforce, are not expected to be contenders in Turkey this weekend.

The battle for victory is likely to be fought out between Brawn, Red Bull and Ferrari - but will that fabulous corner have a part to play again?


  • Comment number 1.

    Sorry Andrew, but there really needs to be a change of tack with these countries that have only hosted F1 for a few years.

    It's a great feature, but is being ruined by these sort of races like Malaysia, Bahrain, Turkey, Signapore, Abu Dhabi, etc. where there haven't been any "classic" races.

    The answer has already been suggested, throw in some races from countries that are no longer on the calendar when it comes to these races - US, Canada, Mexico, Austria, France, Argentina............

  • Comment number 2.

    Good point goldMarkL1. How are these venues decided anyway? Is it based on where Ecclestone fancies having a holiday by any chance?

  • Comment number 3.

    Never has the phrase 'ungrateful sods' been more appropriate. Would you prefer nothing like this from the Beeb? You all sound like broken records.

    If you all knew what you were talking about, your business would have paid for the F1 rights. Leave them alone, what is the point in doing such a feature if you just ignore the race that you are talking about?

  • Comment number 4.

    "It has also proved to be a key corner in the races held in Turkey so far. The highlights are linked below, and available on the red button from 0830 BST on Wednesday morning, although space restrictions on Freeview because of the French Open mean it will only be available on satellite and cable."

    Sorry Andrew, could you clarify this? As far as I know, the French Open begins at 10:00 AM at the very earliest. Does this mean that between 08:30-10:00AM, Freeview users will be able to see the highlights? Or are you just going to fill the time with a 'Not Available' message?

  • Comment number 5.

    I agree with safcfan89 - the whole point of this article is to discuss highlights of the Turkish Grand Prix not highlights of races no longer on the Grand Prix calendar....

  • Comment number 6.

    #3 and #5, it's not ungratefulness, it's common sense.

    The name of the feature is 'Classic F1'. The clips from this week are not in any way 'classic', because there has never been a classic race in Turkey.

  • Comment number 7.

    I would be curious though Andrew, when a race such as this crops up where there is strong evidence to suggest there is no 'classic' why we can't dig out a few old Grand Prix Highlights Shows from the Beeb in the 80's or 90's where F1 went to Countries that are no longer on the Calendar? (You could even chuck in a couple of Turksish (or Bahrain..etc) GP's along with the now 'unused' circuits for the viewer to make a choice?).

    France, Canada, USA, Argentina, South Africa, Mexico, San Marino, Netherlands, Portugal, Austria for example?

    If the Beeb have the tapes and the rights, might be good to use them.

    Anyway, as i've stated before, keep up the fantastic coverage and website. Absolutely loving it. Classic BBC Quality.

    (PS - I wouldn't class myself as an 'ungrateful sod', its the Beebs ability to make its coverage interactive that allows the viewer to express their comments on this forum. Infact from the comments i've seen, and posted myself, they should be blushing with satisfaction and pride.
    I'm also aware of the various rights that will restrict what GP's the beeb can show so know that their hands are tied on occasion).

    Keep up the good work.


  • Comment number 8.

    "Would you prefer nothing like this from the Beeb?" - posted by safcfan89 in #3.

    No, and in post #1, I said "It's a great feature", but you can't call any races so far in either Bahrain, China or Turkey 'classics'.

    What are the choices going to be for Singapore and Abu Dhabi?

  • Comment number 9.

    Agree with goldMarkL1 . The theme of having a "preview" to a GP by showing "classics" from that country only, is absolutley and inherently flawed,Andrew knows it, the BBC knows it, yet I have no idea why the BBC continue to stubbornly ignore the people who are paying for them. Have a vote, I bet you 99.9% would rather see genuine, all time rare classics from legendary venues, something the BBC must have by the truck load, yet we have to put up with stuff that was shown a few years ago that is still fresh in the minds of all but toddlers. Some of the most famous races that enthusiasts still talk about will never be shown because of this ridiculous adopted theme. We have waited ages for somebody to get the rights to rebroadcast old races, the BBC now have it, but they are justing throwing the opportunity down the pan!

  • Comment number 10.

    Hi all,

    I understand the point that those of you who are questioning this feature in relation to these newer races are making, but I'm afraid to follow it would be to negate one of the main reasons we introduced this feature in the first place.

    We wanted to build excitement and anticipation ahead of the forthcoming race - not just among those of you who are familiar with F1, but also among those of you who are not. If, therefore, we were to simply re-run classic grands prix from other venues ahead of China, Turkey, Bahrain etc, its relevance would be greatly reduced.

    Having said that, we were always aware of this as a potential problem, and we have been planning for what to do in races where there really is no history - such as Valencia, Singapore and Abu Dhabi.

    This is our plan:

    Valencia has taken over the title of European Grand Prix, so for that race we will pick five great races that have run under that title in the past, wherever they may have been held.

    For Singapore, we are going to pick five great races from venues that are no longer on the calendar.

    And for Abu Dhabi, we are going to pick five classic title deciders.

    What are those choices going to be? All in good time, people...

    Hopefully, that is a compromise will satisfy almost everyone.


  • Comment number 11.

    Any answer to my question on Freeview, Andrew? I'd like to know whether I should wait for tomorrow or not before watching the highlights.

    Thanks :-)

  • Comment number 12.

    Actually that sounds like an excellent compromise to me.

  • Comment number 13.

    Our people have scoured the Freeview schedules, and I'm afraid it looks like there is not going to be room this week(end). It's all French Open and Sports News, I'm afraid.

  • Comment number 14.

    Thanks for that clarification Andrew.

    I think the disappointment is that what you could describe as 'real classic' races are not necessarily being overlooked, but perhaps bypassed as a result of the way this feature works.

    As Senna27 noted in #9, the BBC's vaults must be full of real classic races. Are there no plans to show old Grand Prix shows on BBC3 or BBC4, even overnight?

    I guess it shows how good the BBC's coverage has been, when the biggest niggle is something as trivial as this. :)

  • Comment number 15.

    Ok, thanks for the quick response Andrew. It's a shame, though.

    Actually I have another question (if you would be kind enough), concerning Freeview on the race weekend itself.

    At the previous race weekend in Monaco, on the Saturday for Practice 3 and Qualifying, I was able to use the red button to get the Radio 5 live coverage on my TV, however on Sunday during the race I was not. Was this intended? From my perspective it is infuriating to have to drag the radio out of the kitchen and mute the TV coverage, just because of the inconsistency.

    So, I was wondering whether this trend would continue, or will I be able to use the radio coverage via the red button (like in Australia + Malaysia)?


  • Comment number 16.

    Great compromise for choosing and yet again more great coverage...

    I look forward most of all to the championship deciding highlights at the end of the season.

    As I fear the championship this year will of long been decided before we get to Abu Dhabi.


  • Comment number 17.

    I think Freddy's asked a good question. There have been a couple of instances where alternative commentary on the red button has been sporadic. I think you had some technical issues in Bahrain, but some of us really rely on it.

    (alternatively just put David Croft on TV instead of the insufferable Jonathan Legard)

  • Comment number 18.


    I like the feature and the way it builds anticipation before the big event, and the classic race idea is outstanding, but it has definitely been hamstrung by some very new races early in the season. I love Istanbul as a circuit, but compared to the legendary races you showed from Monaco and Spain, this feels like a rather meagre offering. That's not really a criticism, just an observation that the reaction's understandable. (Personally, as you're a race short of the normal 5, I'd have loved to watch Lewis Hamilton's awesome drive to 2nd in GP2 to make up the numbers.)

    I'm dying to see the Valencia, Singapore and Abu Dhabi selections now - will the title deciders include races which have already appeared? I can think of several very strong candidates straight away.

    It's a huge disappointment that the normally excellent coverage of the weekend prior to qualifying will be entirely inaccessible on Freeview because of the tennis. If the Beeb has too much sport (what a miracle!), why not make a proper commitment and put the tennis on BBC2, or show Practice on BBC3 or BBC4, which are entirely unused during the day?

  • Comment number 19.

    Great blog Andrew, I always look forward to this feature.

    I think the plan that you described earlier is a really good idea and look forward to those weeks.

    I think this weekends race will be a battle between Button and Massa, now that Ferrari seem to have sorted out their problems including the lack of downforce they stand a good chance if they put their KERS to good use on the straights.

  • Comment number 20.

    MrNeutron - BBC3 and 4 - or at least the bandwidth for same is in use during the day for CBBC and CBeebies.

    So far as the coverage goes... well I think one has to be prepared to compromise a bit the Beeb is supposed to be all things to all viewers - as that's not practical they have to share the coverage out a bit.

    Whilst we may not get as much coverage on the freeview red button as we'd like, the best bit about the free practice coverage is the R5L commentary anyway the actual on track stuff isn't particular exciting.

    To be fair I'm less bothered as I have a high speed, unlimited broadband connection... but my better half has far more interest in tennis than in F1...

  • Comment number 21.

    I agree with MrNeutron's comment that Hamilton's GP2 race should have been choice #5 given the great drive it was.

  • Comment number 22.

    For those of you interested, you will be able to watch the Turkish GP highlights on the red button on Satellite and Cable from 4-30pm this evening and this will be available to watch all of Wednesday, Thursday and up until 1pm on Friday.

    FreddyOfGreggs and AlexisV, as we have limited bandwidth on the red button for Freeview for the extra content (there are only 2 channels and these are shared with other parts of the BBC) unfortunately that means you won't be able to get the 5 Live commentary option all of the time when other events are on, like the French Open etc.

    And, as a few of you rightly say Hamilton's drive was awesome, but unfortunately we don't have the tapes of (or the rights for) the GP2 races.

  • Comment number 23.


  • Comment number 24.

    Think that silences the people boasting the fact the drivers couldn't control Turn Eight.

    If anything the drivers took to Turn Eight in their stride just like they would any other corner. One of the highlights of Kliens career this one, strong race for the young Austrian in a great Year for RBR.

    Okay People may say Montoya failed to control Turn Eight but that was on one occasion where he'd sustained critical damage from a sleepy Jordan.

    I know this has been highlighted but Grand Prix's like this can't really be known as 'great races'. I disagree with some statements however, even though I don't want to see highlights from Singapore, Turkey etc etc races which others have mentioned haven't hosted too many races either.

    Switzerland and Sweden have hardly had any races, the pacific grand prix was just two races and San Marino was never any good? C'mon, did anyone ever enjoy a San Marino F1 Race? Answer: No

  • Comment number 25.

    Just a suggestion but could the end of season title decider's be older than five years old as pretty much all of them would have already been shown on the website. As quite a lot of people posting on this part of this great site are older than 13 it would be nice to see some real classic title decider's from the 70's 80's and 90's.

    PS My first GP i got to visit was Silverstone 1963, proper racing cars, proper racing drivers. If you compare the 1963 race with the 2008 race it equates to Lewis Hamilton in 2008 being 2 seconds a lap slower than Jim Clark in 1963. To be honest i do not think that the drivers of today could cope with the extra distance of the 1960's (up to 50% longer) races as apart from a few they all seemed all in at the end of most of the current races. And thats with all the technical advances of todays F1 cars.
    Just my tuppence worth from the old git F1 fan

  • Comment number 26.

    Re. 'title deciders' archive choice, I'd like to suggest Mexico '64 & '67, Watkins Glen '74, Fuji '76, Caesar's Palace '81 & '82, Kyalami '83 and Estoril '84.

    Aside from Fuji they are all on tracks no longer used, although Fuji had a different layout, and all where the championship was decided at the last race of the season.

  • Comment number 27.

    Andrew, this is a really great feature, and much appreciated.

    I still don't see it mentioned in the TV coverage and think it should be. Can we get the anchors to plug these classic races when they give times for the next Grand Prix? So after the Turkish GP, they could be saying that classic former British GPs are on the red service on such-and-such a date. That'll get many more people tuning in I think.

    Of course, if my previous French GP suggestion is adopted (to show old French GPs the weekend before the British GP because that's where in the calendar the French GP would've been), the anchors could be promoting two lots of red button F1 schedules...

    Keep up the great work, I'm really enjoying this...

  • Comment number 28.

    Are there not too many classic grand prixs that are not on the calendar any more though?

  • Comment number 29.

    Some people are so ungrateful.
    Well, Turkey has a small history and yes some races you wont see some 'classic' clips but for ones like Monaco and Spain you will.
    Next race will be Britain and I am sure (and Mr Benson) we will see a classic selection of clips.
    I would like to see the 2003 British GP because of the idiot running on the track or the classic clips of the BBC Sport coverage of the event in the 1980's and 1990's.
    Or 2008.
    But will be watching these Turkish Ones first but I hope the Beeb wet our appetite for the British GP clips with Mr Benson putting a few British GP's that dont make the choice.

  • Comment number 30.

    #24 "San Marino was never any good? C'mon, did anyone ever enjoy a San Marino F1 Race? Answer: No"

    Answer: Yes

    The 2005 race and especially the last dozen laps was very good, although unfortunately we didn't get to see the last 3 laps due to commercials.

  • Comment number 31.

    Thanks for the feedback on the venues no longer on the calendar. What you said is encouraging however does seem like we will miss a lot that will never be 'relevant' to a current race - that is a shame but i am grateful for what we have. Hopefully you will find a way of incorporating these races at some point....

  • Comment number 32.

    Andrew, thanks for taking the time to address some of the points raised regarding Classic GP's.

    Great to see you and the team taking an interest in the posts.

    I can see where your coming from and that you have to take account of old and new fans alike.

    Point taken, would love to see some old classics, but understand that this may not be shared by the majority of old and new viewers.


  • Comment number 33.

    Hi Again Andrew
    Would it be a possibility to have a classic F1GP page on the website to show various races through the years. This would then enable some of us older types relive some of the races at tracks no longer on the calender? If you wanted feedback from the F1 fans who use this site perhaps a poll with a straight question do you want to see a dedicated webpage showing classic GP's yes or no. This would give the BBC some idea if it would be feasible, i am sure you would get a resounding positive response. I think the BBC has done a fantastic job with both the coverage of F1 and the website is brilliant, but sometimes, as has been proved in the past, a poll from it's fans can enhance an already top notch site. I have been following your classic GP blog since it's inception and enjoy it thoroughly, but the requests for more classic GP's from tracks no longer on the calender seem to have increased. A separate page dedicated to the classic GP's would then allow this blog to focus on the current tracks and keep the posts more focused on the relevant race, all of which i presume will continue to be positive! Hopefully the BBC will consider the idea of a poll as am sure the majority would be in favor.
    Thanks for providing the content you have so far and i will continue to follow your blogs with interest.

  • Comment number 34.

    I still think it was Monteiro's fault. He may not have expected Montoya to brake in front of him (though I've seen drivers lapping the slower cars do it many times before), but he failed to stop because he locked all-fours and didn't get off the brake pedal, thus he lost retardation. A real amateur error.
    Monteiro annoyed me with his celebration after the 05 US GP farce and his insistence that him and his team "deserved it", so in all I'm not sad he's gone from F1.

  • Comment number 35.

    2006, for the battle between Alonso and Schumacher that went right to the chequered falg

  • Comment number 36.

    "FreddyOfGreggs and AlexisV, as we have limited bandwidth on the red button for Freeview for the extra content (there are only 2 channels and these are shared with other parts of the BBC) unfortunately that means you won't be able to get the 5 Live commentary option all of the time when other events are on, like the French Open etc."

    Thanks for the reply Mike. Out of interest, do the same bandwith issues apply to Sky as Freeview? I use Sky and have always had the commentary - there have just been a couple of times when commentary disappeared halfway through. I think it was just a one off technical problem in Bahrain.

  • Comment number 37.

    Loving the Beeb's coverage, every race has been excellent. I've even been watching the practise sessions this year with the always entertaining 5 live commentary, so much better than ITV!

    On the subject of classic races, people seem to forget that these Turkish grand prix were all shown on ITV so I think we're lucky to have the footage on the Beeb at all! I know it's probably all world feed stuff with 5 Live commentary but it better than nothing.

    I would love to see some old "classic" GPs from races that are no longer on the calendar as well though, but not neccessarily in the build up to a race, perhaps in the off-season?

  • Comment number 38.

    Shame the Tennis knocks out freeview option, although I can understand that some people watch it and it isn't getting huge coverage on any of the main channels.

    However, why on earth can't you squeeze 24mins of F1 highlights back to back with 36mins of sports news on the red button news feed, after all the news feed is only about 30 seconds worth of mainly non news over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, not to mention all those stories get a shout on News 24 every hour anyway!!!

  • Comment number 39.

    #38, I'd agree with that statement about the Sports News loop.

    It takes up about 10 hours consisting of about 45 seconds of very lightweight news items which is on a constant repeat. Are the BBC sure this is a good replacement for potential live/recorded/highlights of other sporting events? If people want a brief summary of the sports news there's many ways they can access it. Considering that the loop is, as I say, very brief and lightweight, simply using the red button to check the news would probably give the viewer more information.

    It seems like a waste of resources, Beeb, thats all.

  • Comment number 40.

    Several points. Its refreshing to see a broadcaster willing to listen and accept the thoughts and desires of its viewers. Top marks for the BBC on that. Re classic F1. I think what the season has proved so far to the BBC is that there is much interest and demand to watch classic F1 races. Of course, beeb hat to create a framework for showing them and in theory, yes, the theme of a race preview for an upcomingrace is quite a logical. However, what is absolutley evident, is that there is a big demand to see classic races beyond the existing framework. Fujitv in Japan have taken it upon themseves to rebroadcast in full - as if live coverage (not mere 30 mins highlights) 8 Grand Prix per season from 1981. Last winter they completed 1988. They never intended to show so many seasons but it proved to be so popular they continued to do so. I really hope the BBC will adopt such a plan, perhaps broadcasting them during the night, COMBINED with the current 'race preview' classic f1 series in the form of 30 mins highlights. Imagine being able to sit down and get ready to watch the 1970 Monaco GP as if it were live, amazing!

    Most casual and serious motor racing fans harp on about racing these days are not as good as yesteryear when the likes of Senna, Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Lauda, Villeneuve Andretti, Fittipaldi, Stewart, Clark, Moss, Hill, Fangio et al were racing. This is a great way for the BBC to produce a realquality programming to put the sport into hisorical perspective with perhaps pre and post race comments from experts and former drivers.

    Small note about the San marino GP not being interesting. If 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1990 and 1995 were not exciting GP's, I would like to know what is!

  • Comment number 41.

    Yea and the 1994 San Marino GP weekend had one of the biggest impacts on Formula 1 history.

  • Comment number 42.

    Memories of Turkey '05. Hmmmm...I certainly remember there being some snark about Turkey joining the party though by that point enought new cames had come on to the calender since I got into F1 in the early to mid 90s.

    Mainly due to turn 8 which was a laugh as it caught so many people on the hop.

    I have to say though, I have more generic memories of the '05 season, mainly due to Ferrari, even with Schumacher, being well off the pace that year. Which made things more interesting. Wierd thinking at the time I saw Alonso as a breath of fresh air, fast forward to '07 and he was proving to be an arrogant bleep!

    P.S Don't mind the use of recent races...other than the fact that the Beeb's limited footage of any race post-'96 means that winning this vote doesn't seem to count for much.

  • Comment number 43.

    Andrew, is there any chance having the F1 site in the same way that the football site is, i.e. sub columns going down the left hand side of the page. Can you bring back Ted Kravitz's notebook back from ITV?

  • Comment number 44.

    The image of Lewis Hamilton this season is of him drinking through a straw when being interviewed Turkey will not suit the McLarens and anyway they are just not competitive this season.On the other hand the image of Jenson Button is a happy go lucky young man who is on the up.Massa has won here in Turkey 3 times but Ferrari just haven't hit the sweet spot yet but after Monaco they are progressing.Jake Humphrey is a priviliged young man I have been to Istanbul several times and it is a fantastic place but being in pitlane is where it all happens.Is it me or is Eddie Jordan getting shorter.This is going to be a close race I believe and will test the Brawns.I wondered by shifting the race to an earlier slot now in June whether the weather would change but looking at the forecast it looks like another hot and sunny Turkish GP.I think this track has been a success it is a true driving circuit and Istanbul by the Bosphurus is an idyllic setting and with the weather pretty constant this Grand Prix ticks all the boxes.

  • Comment number 45.

    Its a shame that there are no more american gps. There have been some classics over the years. My favourite was USA 05 where there was a pile up in the first corner.

  • Comment number 46.

    A pile up of beer bottles (Boom boom).

  • Comment number 47.


    Could you guys please seriously consider getting Murray Walker to commentate for the upcoming British GP? As it's the last at the historic Silverstone venue, it will be a fitting farewell if you do this, considering that Murray is 'the voice of F1'. This will SURELY increase audience figures (and maybe even get you a BAFTA!) (29 signs) (429 members)

  • Comment number 48.

    When are we going to get to pick Classic Britain, Andrew?

  • Comment number 49.

    I noticed on the circuit guide that there was a really old clip from the nurburgring, I wonder will that be one of our german options?

    Hover over turn 1 and view Stirling Moss win in the wet. It would be great if we could see long highlights from this race, or any old races.

    I also would further the opinion to have Murray Walker at Silverstone. In his Turkish GP review he said see you there - is that a hint?


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