Planet Dinosaurs Ultimate Killers in 3D

Tuesday 14 August 2012, 10:00

Andy Quested Andy Quested Chief Technologist HD&3D

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Killer Dinosaurs side by side image

Side by Side (SbyS) image

This is a very brief post as it's more a request for comment than an explanation of a process.

On the 19th August at 17:35 the BBC HD Channel will be transmitting "Ulimate Killers".

This single programme has been made from the very successful Planet Dinosaur series.

The programme is only available in 3D so we will be testing the "Watch in 2D" application on Freeview and Freesat.

I'd like you to comment on this blog post to tell me what you think of the "Watch in 2D" application. Unfortunately the application is not available on Cable or the Sky set top boxes yet.

The programme will also be available on BBC iPlayer. There will be several different encoded versions but as we are letting the automation take care of encoding I won't know what will happen until you do on some platforms!

All versions will be side by side so we also know not all devices will be able to convert them to a viewable 3D image.

What I do know is the image via the Freesat, Freeview and Virgin TiVo iPlayer apps will be 1920 x 1080 side by side. This is a new test encoding based on the work the iPlayer team carried out before the Olympics.

If you do want to comment, can you also let me know the:

  1. platform you used and the device e.g. Freeview set top box, PC or Mac via DVB card, PC or Mac via bbc.co.uk/iPlayer...
  2. rough measured speed of your internet connection
  3. make and model of TV and or set top box

I can't guarantee individual replies but we do want to collate as much information as possible to assess our next steps

Many thanks.

Andy Quested is Head of Technology, BBC HD & 3D

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    Comment number 1.

    Couple of questions:
    - Is it even interesting to test this with a Freeview HD recorder? Is it expected that the app would only work at broadcast time?
    - Does that picture at the top of the post actually have any depth information in it? It looks completely flat to me.

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    Comment number 2.

    Dear Ewan - thanks for the post. You will only be able to record the standard transmission. The image is 2D - not giving any sneak previews of the programme!

    Andy

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    Comment number 3.

    Thanks for the response :-)

    If the "Watch in 2D" application only works live then that's clearly a bit of a problem for those of us with PVRs and non-3D sets. Clearly, it doesn't much matter for a trial, but I'd certainly be a bit disappointed if that approach were to be used for much 'dual format' programming in the future.

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    Comment number 4.

    Dear Ewan - thanks for the comment. This is actually a 3D only version made from the 2D series, as everything in the programme has already been transmitted in 2D. We are testing the application whenever we can to make sure it works on as many revievers as possible.

    Last Night of the Proms is the next 3D programme and that's on BBC One HD in 2D and BBC HD in 3D

    Andy

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    Comment number 5.

    Side-by-side can be viewed simply by crossing your eyes and re-focussing. I say 'simply' but it does take some practice. It's easier than viewing those random dot stereograms though. Obviously the image for the left eye needs to be on the right and vice-versa. I'll be interested to see if that's going to be possible with these broadcasts.

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    Comment number 6.

    Andy: I'm not sure I'm being completely clear - I think the tests that you're doing are a Good Thing (TM), but presumably the point of the tests is to evaluate the things being tested with a view to future real use? If the 'view in 2D' app only works live, then someone in my position (2D TV+PVR) would only be able to watch a show using it, live. As I say - that's no big deal for the test (I'm not worried about maybe missing the dinosaurs), but it would be a problem if you put that app into normal use.

    As I understand the BBC's plans, BBC HD is going to go away and become BBC2 HD. At that point, unless you start up BBC 3D (which might actually be a good idea) then you're not going to be able to do what you did for the Olympics opening, and have 2D on BBC1 HD, and 3D on another channel. If at that point, the results of these tests have lead you to think that the 'view in 2D' app is a great solution, and then you start using that approach to provide simultaneous 2D and 3D coverage on one channel, then you'll have stopped me being able to record stuff to view in 2D. Which would make me sad.

    So; in short, I'm all for testing, and this isn't an objection to the test at all - it's a result for you to roll into the rest of the feedback you get to help you decide what to do in the future. Hopefully it helps.

    On a side note - Jim - the crossed eyes thing is what I did for the dino pic at the top of the page to find that it was disappointingly flat. I tried it a bit on the Olympics opening too, and while the 3D was quite impressive, the downsides are that it's massively eye-straining, and the aspect ratio is all wrong because everything's squished into half the width. Fun though.

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    Comment number 7.

    It all looks fantastic however the whole 3D experience has not been advertised at all well. I have not seen one advert on the main BBC channels for this programme. 3D will take off if it is advertised in the right way. I do have a 3D tv but I don't have Freeview, I only have a Sky + box, does this mean I cannot watch this programme?

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    Comment number 8.

    Dear Antcoop - I am passing on all the comments about 3D publicity and we can always do better. It is in the EPG and I am trying to get the search option to find the programmes if you type in "3D" - unfortunately, not alway successfully.

    You have a 3D TV so you will be able to watch the programme - set your TV to side by side mode during the pre-programme announcement. We put a graphic on screen that you can read in 2D or 3D mode.

    At the moment it's the "WATCH IN 2D" Red Button application will not work on the Sky or Virgin boxes.

    If your 3D TV is connected and has the iPlayer app, you might want to try the programme again and give me feedback. It should be up by midday Monday

    Andy

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    Comment number 9.

    Thank you for your response.
    I think that for advertising purposes it would be great if the BBC could show short one or two minute 3D previews or short films in between programmes to promote 3D or even aim at the larger audience by making a couple of Eastenders in 3D. As ITV are not interested in the format it would be a great opportunity to get this right and be one step ahead. What about a 3D Top of the Pops? There are so many ideas to make this work.

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    Comment number 10.

    This can not be something new .I have a Sony 32" HD TV. I have watched Wimbledon and the Opening and Closing Olympic games ceremony in 2D when 3D is being transmitted. The TV comes up with a choice of watching the 3D in 2D and I think it gives the left picture. By the way the presentation and camera work was far better on the 3D channel than the HD-SD version!

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    Comment number 11.

    Dear television2012 - thanks for the post, can you let me have the model number of the TV? I wasn't aware of any 2D TVs with the option to watch SbyS as a full width image?

    Andy

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    Comment number 12.

    This is really about the advertising of the 3D programmes - I have had terrible problems fiding when programmes are being broadcast in 3D - even today's Radio Times has no hint that the dinosaur programme is in 3D. I watched the opening, closing and daily updates for the games in 3D and thought they were terriffic so keep up the good work!

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    Comment number 13.

    Hi - if anyone just about to post re the "watch in 2D" red button. Change channels then back to BBC HD - app should appear if you didn't get it at the start of the programme

    Andy

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    Comment number 14.

    I use a Humax freesat connected to a 40" LED Samsung full HDTV 3D. Model code UE 40c 8000XKXXU. This works perfectly with 3D DVDs and also with LIVE BBC 3D. But it won't work with non live programmes such as today's dinosaur programme. There is no option to switch to side by side. All I get is two 3D pictures side by side. Obviously unwatchle. When BBC transmits true live 3D then the side by side option is available. So I watched Wimbledon and the LIVE events fom the Olympics in full 3D. But the recorded highlights of the Olympics each day in 3D would not merge into one picture. Spooky. Any ideas? Oh I have been into the set up menu to choose side by side by side but the option is not available.

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    Comment number 15.

    Dear Loupiedog - i checked this on our Samsung 2011 models - can you go through the set up menu? There is no difference between this and the Olympics 3D - as far as your TV is concerned it is "live" as it's coming through exactly the same path

    Andy

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    Comment number 16.

    sorry Loupiedog just spotted you said you had been through the set up menu. I shouldn't post with 3D glasses on! There is obviously a fault in your TV and you should contact Samsung straight away - 3D should always work through an HDMI input.

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    Comment number 17.

    Have just watched the dinosaur 3d programme. Excellent. Only found out about this programme as I searched the internet to find schedule times for the bbc 3d coverage of the olympics and found out about this. I doubt if many others are aware that this programme was even transmitted which is a shame. Hope that the bbc can go forward and grow and introduce more programmes on HD in 3d.

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    Comment number 18.

    The programme is available on iPlayer and I have an apology! The logo is only on the Left image! My fault - I will get on to it tomorrow

    Andy

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    Comment number 19.

    What an anti-climax!!

    The best 3D content of "Planet Dinosaurs" has already been broadcast numerous times via the BBC HD "Test" Preview facility which is why I had high expectations of this!!

    I just hope that nobody was eating their Sunday dinner while watching - not because of content - but because of the poor 3D reproduction!

    Let's hope that the "test" 1920 x 1080 (via IPlayer) transmission from midday tomorrow (?) is what this is all about - because imo the 3D depth and the image quality of the BBC HD "live" broadcast today "Didn't come up to expectations"

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    Comment number 20.

    Dear blackcat100 - not what others experienced. What TV were you using?

    Andy

 

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