Poulter's chance to reward captain's faith
Nick Faldo is his own man. Always has been, always will be and certainly was in selecting Ian Poulter for a wildcard pick.
Recent results, past Ryder Cup performances, the opinions of leading players in this team and a past captain, never mind the majority views on previous threads here, all pointed to a call up for Darren Clarke.
The Ulsterman is surely entitled to feel aggrieved. Without having the benefit of playing all the biggest events, Clarke has risen 200 places from 256 in the world off the back of two wins.
He has won 6 ½ points out of a possible eight in the last two matches and been on the winning side four times in five Ryder Cups.
Padraig Harrington, Lee Westwood and Graeme McDowell, who will all be in the European locker room at Valhalla, all expressed their support for Clarke.
So too did former captain Bernard Gallacher, who is shocked Faldo plumped for Poulter instead. "I think morale in the team could be a bit lower for picking Poulter ahead of Darren Clarke," Gallacher said.
In a poll of 32 players here at Gleneagles, Poulter received just one vote.
But none of this matters to Faldo. He wants to shape a team in his own way and even the fact that Poulter didn't come to Scotland to try to qualify of right didn't ultimately count against him.
"Obviously it would have helped," Faldo told me. "He will think about that decision for a long time."
At which point I put it to the captain that Poulter had therefore got away with it.
"You have to stand by that call," Faldo said before revealing: "He was absolutely, totally relieved. It was the first time I haven't heard Poulter -if you know what I mean - he was speechless."
Faldo went for him on the back of his brilliant effort on the final day of the Open and the fifteen foot putt he holed thinking it might be enough to win the Championship.
The skipper also likes his attitude and enjoys a strong rapport with the flamboyant Englishman who can boast only two top tens finishes all year.
This pick is a massive vote of confidence in Poulter and inevitably he will face the closest scrutiny at Valhalla.
He doesn't normally mind being centre of attention, though this past week and his transatlantic squabbles with Colin Montgomerie and the media have made it a very uncomfortable time.
Now he has to make sure his golf does the talking and he rewards the faith of his captain.
While it would have been a real asset to have had an in form Montgomerie in the side, he simply hasn't played well enough this year to warrant a pick.
But a big boost to Faldo is the fact that the last three automatic spots were secured by players who needed to deliver when playing for their places.
Justin Rose, Soren Hansen and Oliver Wilson can head to Kentucky full of confidence and that will be important as they will all be making their debuts.
Paul Casey was a natural choice, he too will feel he can repeat the deeds of his previous two Ryder Cup appearances in which he has only been beaten once - by Tiger Woods in his debut singles match.
It is a young side in which Harrington, Westwood and Garcia will be the on course leaders.
Faldo promises to be an all action captain with only Jose Maria Olazabal there as back up. The skipper will be making his decisions on the evidence of his own eyes rather than on information gathered by trusted lieutenants.
It's the Faldo show - he had tough decisions to make, they've been made and soon it will be game time. He heads to America with the team that he wanted. Now can they deliver?
On paper they are strong enough, there is class, form, youth and experience the captain can have no complaints.
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What do people think about the omission of Darren Clarke ahead of Poulter and Casey, both of whom have put the US tour ahead of the European Tour?
In my opinion over the last few weeks Clarke (and Justin Rose) have shown how much it means to play in the Ryder cup whereas Poulter and Casey appear to have put personal goals ahead of gaining an automatic place.
IMO It also is a negative for the European tour itself. With the picks going to two guys who were playing in the US this weekend.
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On recent form, past Ryder Cup performance, impact on team chemistry or general matchplay record, Clarke gets the pick. On world rankings, Poulter and Casey get it. The world rankings are based on performance over 2 years. Clarke played sparingly in 2007 for obvious reasons. In 2008, Poulter, Casey and Clarke all accumulated a very similar number of points. It's hard to understand Poulter and Casey both getting the nod over Clarke.
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I feel that Nick Faldo has made a mistake in not selecting Darren Clarke who has been in great form. I can't help thinking that the mistake is in leaving out one of the greatest match players of recent Ryder Cups.
It appears that Nick Faldo had made his mind up before the Darren Clarke's success in Holland leave Poulter and Casey free to go back to pursue the bucks in the USA and Darren's return to form at the best possible time represented an inconvenient truth for Mr. Faldo. Let's hope that Mr. Poulter's CO2 emissions regarding his own ego don't have a detrimental effect on the team.
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Why is everyone bleating on about Clarke this Clarke that. In major comps this year Poulter has outshone Clarke in all and performing well in America this year obviously helps, as if you are not aware that is where the cup is taking place. Just because Clarke won 2 weeks ago doesn't make him the next best. I went to watch him at the European Open this year and his golf was poor and his general attitude stunk, while Poulter played good golf and was attitude towards the fans was great. Great choice Faldo (for both) and I'm sure the Ryder Cup will be returning to Europe having Poulter making the winning putt!!
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Faldo was a great hero of mine but I have to say watching the press conference I was simply not impressed.
I felt he didnt take stage and his answers were weak and lacked a lot of depth. He didnt convince on his strategy.
Only 1 vice-captain? He was never going to pick Monty due to the relationship. No matter how grumpy Monty is he is still a legend and take the American's apart.
I would have liked to see Monty and Clarke.
I hope I am wrong and we win again. I dont think Faldo can lead.
Pairings?
foursomes
Garcia - Westwood
Stenson - Karlsson
Casey - Poulter
Harrington - Rose
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I don't think Faldo could have handled this much worse. (And it was telling that the press were stunned by his announcement...)
Where shall we begin...
1. His picks are too English, not European. Wait and see Irish papers tomorrow. They will crucify Faldo for omitting Clarke and ignoring Harrington's Monty advice. (And maybe the Swedish papers will have something to say as well for that matter. Petterson is five shots off the lead in the Deutsche)
2. With no additional vice-captain, he further snubs Clarke and Montie. (Messiah-like Faldo will get around Valhalla via bi-location...) Also he advertises his insecurity alongside senior players. "18 Ryder Cups between between us, 18 Ryder Cups between between us." Keep going on the key messages, attaboy Nick.
3. Messes up team spirit. Justin Rose comes to Europe for two tournaments to qualify on merit...Poulter manages er, none. Cannot think this unifies the team. Who would you rather partner...?
4. Someone is telling porkies about when players got notified. Poulter said he got to know "this morning"...This screams that he and Casey got the nod as Faldo said they were "just told".
5. Faldo contradicted his own criteria for wild card picks. In Clarke he had an experienced match player in form...
6. He has put a ridiculous amount of pressure on Poulter. He may get villified in the press. I await a first tee shank with dismay.
In summary, these picks say much more about Faldo's vanity than Poulter or Casey.
He seems to want to the hero captain to as many English youngsters as possible, not the self-assured 'peer' captain that was Woosnam among many contemporaries his superior.
What odds are the Americans?
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I for one want to cme to Faldo's defence. Alot of people calling for the selection of Clarke, and to a much lesser extent Montgomerie, has been based on the idea that Europe needs 'Team Leaders' and 'Talismen.' To be quite frank, if a three time major winner (Harrington), and veterans of previous succesful cup campaigns (Westwood, Jimenez and Garcia) can't act as talismen and that he European team dynamic can be upset by the omssion of one or two players then maybe we ought to ask ourselves if the Europena tema ethic is quite as good as we make it out to be.
We don't need old warhorses, we need golfers who are going to beat their opponents- plain and simple. If Faldo thinks that the best way of achieving this in a American-based Ryder Cup match, on a course set up by the PGA of America to suit the home team is to pick two US-based players then so be it. I agree Clarke is entitled to feel hard done by after all the effort he went to in the closing weeks. But seome perspective is also needed- his win in The KLM for insance was against quite a weak field (none of the big European names played as their qualification was alreday assured). Darren's record in majors (esecially the US based ones) is not good considering his standing in the game.
Any other European captain would probably have picked Clarke out of sympathy as much as anything else (as I firmly believe Woosnam did last time). But Faldo never allowed sentiment to cloud his judgement as a player and right now, with the US desperate for a winlike never before, the Europeans need cold, hard logic rather than sentiment.
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In response to fouldough's 4th point - It would have been "this morning" for Poulter as he is in Boston and not the UK!
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I'm sorry but no matter what Faldo or Poulter say this was definitely a nod job.That said professional or not,it was Faldo's call.See you in Wales Darren.
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nit picking of the highest order.
faldo picked the 'best ' two players available to him,end of story.
great stuff from faldo.he has done nothing but impress me with a fantastic start to his tnure.
winning second division titles in scandinavia will be of no use to you when the heat is on in the ryder cup.its world rankings and major performances that should count,and thank god nick faldo is picking the team and not most of the 'fluff' posters on here!
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It looks Faldo wants to be able to sing "I did it my way" - and hopefully for Europe he'll be able to do it. Also he has been to so many RCs that he might just have an idea about what is needed.
BUT his ego looks like it has no limits and maybe that is why he likes Poulter - he sees something of himself in him. Also Poulter has the Faldoesque ability to say stupid things to the press. Wait a minute (without wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist) could Poulter be a lovechild of Faldo?
If Faldo picked him on the back of the last day of the Open why didn't David Howell get the pick?
Monty sadly hasn't done enough this year and Faldo will be delighted to have his RC record safe for another few years. However, Clarke should be there for sure.
We may all be singing along with Faldo in a couple of weeks but just now I'm not loving his style.
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You see here is the problem...Clarke is a better player than Poulter for sure. Look at their records it tells the story. Also form...Clarke's playing better for sure. Ppl will say well look at their records in Majors this year....well Clarke only played in one and that was the USPGA which I don't recall Poults being too close to winning. I don't wanna be too harsh on Poults...he is a good player and isn't a bad pick as such and shouldn't be villified for the failings of Faldo. However, I think all of the serious golfing pundits are correct...it should have been Clarke not Poults.
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Also have to agree about players goin to the states to play so often. I don't really understand it...is money the be all and end all nowadays despite the ridiculous amounts still being offered on the European tour. A lot of players now seem to be using the Euro tour as a spring board which is a real shame particularly given the amount of work done to compete financially with the often boring USPGA tour.
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Much as I have always admired Nick Faldo as a golfer, I have never had much time for him as a man - vain, shallow and a control freak are the thoughts that come immediately to mind.
I had no problem with him being declared Captain on the back of his former Ryder Cup success but I think the choice of Poulter over Clark is an absolute abomination.
I take annual leave to watch the competition every time and barely miss a shot. The arrogance of Faldo will probably lead me to think differently this time.
Darren, you've been wonderful in every RC I've watched you compete in. I wanted you to be there and it will not be the same without you (nor will the performance given your contribution to the 'dressing room'.
As for that press conference, god help us if we have to view that smug, self serving attitude until the end of the competition.
All else said boys - go do it, make us proud (again!)
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It seems to me that alot of people's gripes against Poulter are based on his decision not to play the Johnnie Walker Championship and play the corresponding PGA Tour event instead. I would like to bring up a point made by Derek Lawrenson earlier this weak (apologies to Derek):
Ian Poulter lives in the US, and his children are just starting out in school over there. In order to keep them settled he needs to retain his PGA Tour card, which means he must play in a minimum of 15 events on the PGA Tour. The easiest way for him to do this was to play the Deutsche Bank Championship this week. So yes, it is about the money, but also about his family's lives. Okay, I know it's not exactly a great hardship, but I still don't blame him. It's also worth pointing out that had he travelled to Scotland he still couldn't have made the team on merit- all the players he could have deposed did enough to keep him out the picture.
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Couldnt agree more with the comments about the arrogance of Faldo. There is a golfing argument for picking Poulter and Casey, but he gave the game away in regards to his whole attitude when he said he wouldnt be picking any more vice captains for "His Team" and he would be solely in charge. Its the European Team, and never has been the property of the captain. You would never have heard Jacklin or Gallacher using the phrase " My Team" He obviously doesnt want there to be too many big personalities in the team, so Darren Clarke was never going to get a captains pick. And the idea of Montgomery getting one was never in the hunt. Anyone that thinks so, doesnt either know, or understand Faldo. The reason he was the great golfer that he was, was due to the fact that he was completely selfish and self obsessed, and no-one else mattered other than the power and glory of him.
I only hope I'm wrong, but I fear this will lead to a split team, with the Faldo clique, and the rest. I fear a thumping now. 6/5 United States looks a great investment now, unfortunately
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At the end of the day, Faldo's captaincy- Faldo's way.
If he fails to win then he won't go down with his peers like Seve, Woosnam or Torrance.
There's been too much of Darren Clarke bandwagen in the last couple of weeks because of a victory in Holland.
As someone already stated it was not a top quality field for that event and Clarke has had his problems with consistency this season.
He would have been behind Poulter and Pettersen in my book.
I personally would have gone for Carl Pettersen as he's won on the PGA Tour, playing well, plays over there so a US based Ryder Cup would have been perfect for him but Faldo was never going to pick him.
Poulter at the end of the day is world no 23 and that has to count for something but I don't think his actions have helped his cause nor the public perception that Nick Faldo is his mate.
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i think its a good call with the ryder cup wildcards
the us tour is harder than the european one and poulter and casey have improved as players as a result of playing on it, am confident we will win the cup again and that pouletr and casey will be good point scorers
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on what basis do you judge the US tour to be harder than the European tour?
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of the current top 10 in the world, 8 play on the US tour therefore it is a higher standard and harder to win
quality of golf courses is also better, greens at gleneagles this week were a joke, just ask lee westwood
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The world's top ranked players play in the states because they get the most money from the tournaments there. The courses played on the European Tour are generally a much greater all round test that those played in the US which are generally grip it and rip it courses leaving putting as the deciding factor week after week. Granted the greens this week at Gleneagles were not up to standard but that is why there has been so much made of it...because they are normally very high quality.
Also, how can you be shown to improve if you haven't won on the US tour. Casey is a good case for this. He hasn't won this year anywhere and he has played in both Europe and the States. Yet over the past few years, when he was playing mainly on the European tour, he won many tournaments, including the World Matchplay which includes all the best players who can bother themselves to play. Therefore how are you justifying this improvement?
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In my opinion over the last few weeks Clarke (and Justin Rose) have shown how much it means to play in the Ryder cup whereas Poulter and Casey appear to have put personal goals ahead of gaining an automatic place.
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Poulter hd to finish 3rd in the Euro tournament to qualify, 4th in the US one, why is it wrong for him to try the more likely option?
In actual fact it didnt matter anyway as even winning the event he could not have qualified due to others results, which was always the most likely outcome regardless of whee he finished.
In an ideal world Clarke oulter AND casey would all play (along with Carl Petterson) but thats not how it works and when you can only pick two the right two have been picked.
Persoanlly I dont see why the US captain should have 4 wildcards and Faldo only 2.
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Faldo could have picked any of the candidates mentioned and the result will be the same, another win for Europe. The exception is Monty, who has been wonderful in the past but is just not good enough any more.
The Ryder Cup has been over for some time as a serious competition for many reasons and Europe will keep winning. My reasons are: -
1. Europe has better players. Many of them spend their University years in the USA playing all over the states in NCAA (college golf). As Pros they then play all over the world in the European and US PGA tournaments. They are more rounded and can play on any course.
2. US Players stay mostly in the US (for money reasons) and so are less adaptable.
3. The money focus has made most US Golfers less inspired by the Ryder Cup, especially the younger ones. Note the comments made this year, for example ‘the Ryder Cup is slavery’. Does Europe need to fear for the future if others ‘do a Poulter’?
4. US golf fans are much less motivated than European, especially Brits. The fanaticism in Europe is not remotely paralleled in the USA. US Players can get excited and also the beer-sodden fans at the tournament itself, but not most others. Brookline 17th green on Sunday in 1999 was thankfully a disgusting exception.
5. This is just another exhibition tournament with whacky rules for most in the USA, especially now that the Fedex cup has turned the ‘post-major’ season into a money monster. Poulter is just the beginning, so in a few years Europe will stop caring, win or lose.
In short, the Ryder Cup is like the FA Cup. A one great event rendered an also-ran by other competitions.
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Wow - Faldo went with two English lads - what a surprise!!!
So much for it being a European team, or even a British and Irish team, or even a Britsh team.
Surely "Big D" deserved the call up?
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My views on this are as follows:
1) I personally would have picked Clarke instead of Poulter, but it was a close call and I can see why Faldo chose who he chose.
2) I think Europe limits its ability to have the best team by only having 2 picks. In the Jacklin era we had at least 3 picks and it definitely benefited the team. Why are we potentially shooting ourselves in the foot now?
3) In some ways the competition needs an American win this year to get the US public behind it again. However, I still hope for a Europe victory.
4) I think the time has come to change the format a bit. As a minimum I would have 5 or 6 rather than 4 foursomes/fourballs on the first 2 days, and also look at starting the competition on Thursday (I'm amazed they haven't done this already thinking about the $s). How about 6 greensomes on Thursday, 6 fourballs on Friday, 4 foursomes and 4 fourballs on Saturday, and 12 singles on Sunday? This has the benefit of a) not forcing some players to play 5 rounds in 3 days, and b) making sure all 12 players play at least 3 times during the competition, and c) they make more money out of ticket sales etc.
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"Clarke has done nothing all year"
Maybe the thinking behind this statement is of the same quality as your other post Glasgow-Don and that's why it was taken off.
Poulter's world ranking, which a lot of people are clinging to as justification for his inclusion, owes a lot to his finish at the Open in the summer. The plain and simple fact is the world ranking takes little account of recent form and Poulter's has been poor. His poor form has been in a field containing his future Ryder Cup opponents. You'll find Poulter at 89th in the current FedEx standings and Casey at 38, though both will fall because they missed the cut in the latest playoff tournament. Whatever the final FedEx standings, Casey has consistently outplayed Poulter recently and has a strong Ryder Cup record, so that is a strong argument in his favour.
As far as Darren Clarke is concerned, he is a popular player with his colleagues and Poulter isn't. He has won twice this year, Poulter hasn't. Clarke's world ranking reflects the greater emphasis he placed on his family, but, when it came to the time of reckoning, he won a tournament and Poulter missed two cuts.
I see no reasonable argument for Poulter's inclusion, but then Faldo wouldn't be Faldo if he employed logic and avoided controversy, would he?
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Just to clear up some of the misinformation on this thread..
1. Poulter saying he found out in the morning does not prove he was given the nod - it was orning in the states.
2. Of course the US tour is stronger.. not because of USA vs Europe but because of Singh, Els, Mickelson, Garcia and many more..
3. The people calling for Monty are people who must follow golf once every 2 years.. if he had been picked then you wouldn't have many of us discussing how Clarke was hard done to but instead it'd be Clarke, Poulter, Pettersson, Kaymer and half a dozen others too.
In general terms, I think it could be a mistake to pick Poulter because it might.. I repeat might.. affect morale. Clarke would have been a huge boost to the squad. However, those arguing in pure golfing terms need to get a grip. There is very little between the two players and Poulter would be the highest ranked eligible player on either side excluded had he not been selected. Some of the arguments seem motivated by short-sighted prejudices to do with his character.
Ultimately, a questionable call.. but far from a scandalous one.
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I think it's a joke that some people think that Faldo was right in picking Poulter over Clarke. Comments of Clarke getting a sympathy vote last time out is so unfair. Clarke proved himself last time out under some unbelievable pressure and bonded the whole team together in a way that proved a winning formula in the end.
Clarke is one of the most popular players on both the European and US Tours and has proven to be one of the best at matchplay with his regular pairings with Westwood. The fact that some of the leading members of the team were hoping that he'd be playing only add further proof that Clarke should be there rather than Poulter.
With regards to Poulter or Casey not playing at Gleaneagles this weekend, I think it shows a complete lack of for both the Ryder Cup selection process and the other players trying to get into that team. Justin Rose would clearly admit that he prefers playing in the US but over the last while he has made a major effort to ensure his automatic selection in the team. I believe that by Poulter deciding to "miss the cut" in the US instead of playing in Gleneagles, showed a cockyness that we knew he already had but that will not appeal to his team-mates.
Though, I suppose at the end of the day we shouldn't be too surprised. Faldo was always going to be going for some of his homeboys rather than a team player like Clarke. Just as well some of the Europeans managed to qualify automatically.
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Couldn't agree more with every word from Ally Gory.
Great article with the properly reasoned argument for Clarke's inclusion at the expense of Big Time Charlie (Poulter).
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Never mind about Clarke, I'm sure he'll be fine ... but what about Montgomerie?
Extremely worrying that Colin had his phone on voice mail when Nick called to deliver the bad news. That sounds to me like a man struggling to deal with what's happened. Maybe even pretending that it hasn't happened.
I hope that Monty doesn't go into a tailspin because of this ... the last thing that European golf needs is a Paul Gascoigne type scenario.
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falso sorry faldo managed to score a spectacular own goal with that pick
one thing that the europe team had over USA was a team ethic which beat the US , better on paper, mentality
picking your pet player as a wild card when he showed such arrogance in not even attending the final chance to get their on merit shows remarkable bad judgement on faldo's part
Monty did not deserve a wild card based on form but many others based on form, record and willingness to go the extra mile did!
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It is quite obvious to me that Faldo's choice of Poulter over Clarke is him picking someone with whom he gets on, rather than someone who would improve his team.
Clarke would be in most people's team of 6, let alone team of 12. His attitude and presence mean so much more in a team game than purely world ranking points (which it seems that everyone agrees are slightly flawed anyway).
Poulter is arrogant and selfish. His performances in the upcoming battle will be all about him, and no-one else. For the record, he could have played his 15th tournament is the US in October.. if he cared at all about the Ryder Cup.
Poulter is good player, but the European Team is certainly weakened with him in it. I would have chosen anyone but him, regardless of the merits of Clarke.
I am neither Irish nor sentimental, but Faldo has got this one badly wrong. I only hope it will prove irrelevant, as the rest of the team should be able to pull it off on their own.
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Poulter hd to finish 3rd in the Euro tournament to qualify, 4th in the US one, why is it wrong for him to try the more likely option?
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Incorrect. The US based Fed-Ex cup carries no points for the Ryder cup whatsoever. Poulter put this ahead of the Johnie Walker purely for Dollar$.
The whole point of the captains pick is that you go with something other than stats, you go with your gut and Clarke is coming into good form.
Poulter has won nothing this season, Darren has got 2 cups in the bag. Poulter has missed the cut a few outings on the spin now.
Faldo is playing to a different form guide than the rest of us. Poor choices IMO.
Already, he is showing himself to be a poor captain.
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Firstly I think there is a questionmark over when the final decision was made on the picks and Faldo could not have been more vague when asked.
The press conference itself was an opportunity for Faldo to endear himself to all concerned but as usual he doesn't care about that. I firmly believe that his picks have been decided for some months and he did nothing to convince me otherwise.
As I said last week Poulter is a talented golfer but the problem is down to the fact he chose not to play at Gleneagles. Had he made the effort to come across and try to qualify and had failed most would be more accepting of his inclusion. The fact that he didn't suggests that he was given the nod before and it really doesn't matter what both he and Faldo say on that, people will make up their own minds.
The fact that the RC is being played in the US is a factor but picking 2 Englishmen who are based in the US where Faldo lives and works has done Faldo no favours.
I am inclined to agree with the previous comment on a USA win, the RC needs it as there is danger that the President's Cup may become more important.
Having said that all the best to the European team, Poults - you have to prove a lot of people wrong !!
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I think the criticism on Poulter is little unfair – a good player and a showman – he is good for the sport and comes across well in interviews – albeit not the sharpest tool in the box!!
Any criticism should be directed squarely at Faldo.
I would have 2 particular criticisms of Faldo.
1. He said months ago that he would make his picks on merit and form – clearly he has not done this.
2. Secondly – Faldo could have prevented the whole debacle by MAKING Poulter go to Scotland last week. I have no doubt that if he had intervened – which, as the captain is surely within his rights, then the public and players would not be as perplexed by the decision to pick Poulter. I think most people would have accepted the decision even if Poulter had not made the cut at Gleneagles ss long as he had been there as it would have showed a commitment to the cause. The decision not to go - has left a bad taste in the mouth.
The public, Gallagher et al have called for Clarke for very good reasons – past experience etc. - Anyhow – the decision has been made…C’mon Europe.
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Personally I think he has made a big faux pas picking Poulter. I like him as a player and would be more than happy to see him in the team, but not ahead of DC.
Anyway time to move on.
The team has been picked; time to stop the in-fighting and time to focus on spanking the Yanks!
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Enough already.
No amount of waffliing is going to change anything
The Captain gets two picks. He has picked two players
End of.
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Come on guys. Let's not lose sight of what's going on here.
There are two Captains picks! Yes, that's right, they are Captains picks....Nick gets to choose who he wants. It's not based on any set criteria...you don't have to abandon the US and play Euro events....you just have to be picked by Nick Faldo.
To guarantee a spot, you have to qualify! As much as i'd love to have seen Darren compete again, he didn't do that. We can all argue that our picks would be different, but it matters not a jot. Casey and Poulter were the Captains picks....and unless we go win a few majors and put ourselves forward for Captaincy, we don't get to choose!
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Still struggling to understand this pompous pick by an even more pompous captain.
In the cold light of day there is not a single justification for picking David Daft and His Incredible Magic Trousers ahead of Darren Clarke.
I've tried all morning but can't think of any!
Help please!
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"Form in the majors counts" (Faldo)
Wasn't that Ian Poulter that we all saw hacking his way around the course at Augusta this year........
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I was a junior member of WGCGC with Faldo years ago. He wasn't known for his brain then and I see things haven't changed in regard to giving Clarke a place in the team.
Under any set of criteria Clarke is the better man. Better team player, better player, more experienced and all round top Ryder cup member with some great form going into it.
Anyhow as I say Faldo was never the greatest student of mankind or of anything else to be honest so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I just hope his team can bring him through this.
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Anyone remember the fact that on his last (and only) Ryder Cup outing Poulter actaully hit the winning putt, not Monty- and lost his fourball game playing alongside, er, Darren Clarke. He'll probably be all right - it's a tight call, given their recent for - consistent mediocrity by Clarke or fitful brilliance by Poulter. There's an element of obvious sympathy for Clarke, and when the charisma vortex that is Faldo fails to pick him it the story grow: but it feels as if the press are already looking for Poulter and Faldo to fail and fall victims of their hubris. That's not ideal at this early point.
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Faldo is the greatest golfer ever produced in Britain..six majors back that up...
his choices are perfectly understandable...Casey and Poulter are the two highest world ranked players who did not automatically qualify for the team(leaving aside the injured Luke Donald)..both are in top 35 of those rankings...
the world rankings are based on two years worth of form and are used as the basis for entry to many events including all 4 majors to some degree.....they are both higher ranked than some automatic qualifiers...
He is the captain...it's his call....for what it's worth I think he's probably right..he can hardly be criticsed for picking the two best players available to him who hadn't already made the team..
..Montgomerie is a busted flush.....Clarke is possibly slightly unlucky...could argue that Carl Petterson deserved a shout...winner on US tour recently...
anyone with any complaints about not getting wildcard...tough...just go away and Shut UP........you had a year to qualify automatically...Oliver Wilson managed it...without even winning a tournament.
Let's look at this another way.....if you were asked to sit and pick a 12 man team for Europe.....no automatic qualifiers... start with a clean sheet...
who would your 12 be????
surely you would have Poulter in it...no 23 in teh world...9th highest ranked European...don't think there is any question about that...his wild card choice is unarguable...
he was 8th on the World points list..and 12th on the Money List from which the 10 automatic picks were chosen...
Casey is slightly different...others might be aggrieved....Kaymer for one
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Faldo's undoubted position as best golfer ever produced by the UK does not necessarily accord with his being a good manager or captain. His personality (a natural loner) is not well suited to a team event like this no matter that his act as grand old man of British golf seems to be working for now.
Clarke let it not be forgotten was hardly able to play golf last year and his activity has been curtailed by looking after his family. He has only able to play "properly" it seems this year during which time he has won two tournaments which is, if memory serves me, two more than Poulter.
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We have some kind of argument like this every Ryder Cup. Last time it was why DC was picked ahead of Thomas Bjorn, who had much the better record. Bjorn was apoplectic about it, if you recall. Woosie's judgement then was correct as the results showed.
Faldo is well-placed to understand how Darren must be feeling today - he was omitted from Mark James' team in 1999. In retrospect, James' judgement then was probably wrong.
The old order changes and no-one gets in forever on past glories and historical performances. Otherwise, we'd still have Christy O'Connor (senior) and Brian Barnes in the team - they could give it some when the chips were down!
It was a judgement call and a very tight one indeed. That he made the less popular choice indicates one thing - Faldo is able to make decisions that he knows may not be well accepted. Is that a good or a bad thing? In the past, it has worked for him. We shall see - but I don't think anyone can argue protege pick, not with Dougherty in the running. If he'd got the nod then I think there would have been cause for complaint.
Forumguy (post 34) - the FedEx Cup does count towards Ryder Cup rankings, through the World Rankings. Poulter probably judged he had a better chance of making the team automatically through the World list - and he was probably right. A 4th would have done it. He missed the cut, which is a tad unfortunate on such a high-profile weekend...
Anyway, go Europe!
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Once again the great british sporting public knock the greatest golfer we've ever had. Just imagine yourself having to make that final decision. I myself thought Darren would be picked, Poulter will not let anyone down so now is the time to get behind them and bring it home. Not the time to express more negatives.
Good luck to Nick and the boys, I'll be cheering all the way.
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Perfectly logical, these picks from Faldo, but with potentially unpleasant consequences ... in particular, I fear the impact on Monty.
Surely, Nick can find a non playing role for Colin (vice captain perhaps?) so that he goes to Valhalla ... otherwise, a European Ryder Cup legend (still only in his mid forties) is condemned to watch at home on the TV.
That can't be right.
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I would have picked Poulter and Clarke. But I can see why Nick has gone for Casey and Poulter. He has mentioned their performances in the "majors", Monty (who was never in the picture really?) and Clarke haven't perfored in any of this years. But I think the key to his picks is the location of the venue. Poults and Casey are regulars on the PGA Tour, they will be primed to play on the style of course, both Clarke and Monty haven't ventured over the pond.
If the venue was in Europe, I think Clarke would have been a cert.
I like the look of our team, we have some real competitors with the brash attitude and arrogance needed. Poults and McDowell in particular. But we also have some really excellent players Paddy, Sergio and Westy are all at the top of their game, and with a good mix of rookies...........
I think it will be tough, but can see us winning by a couple of points.
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Nick Faldo has done what was necessary, it was time for the old gaurd to move on, we can't relie on Monty and Clarke forever, its time to blood in the young guys. Its a brave move for Faldo, which could see Europe lose the cup, but will benifit us in the long term future.
we can't be emotional about Clarke and monty has not been playing well, maybe this disappointment will get back to thier fomer playing past and will see them in 2 years time.
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Faldo said he was going to pick on current form then goes for someone who hasnt shot under 70 for weeks. Darren has a fantastic record in the Ryder cup and shot 4 under 70 rounds when winning his latest title.
For me the biggest clanger wasnt him picking Poulter but the nutcases who decided to put Faldo in as captain. He has always been contrversial and always will be because it puts Nick Faldos name in the newspapers. I never thought i would say this but i almost want the yanks to win.
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My first reaction was one of disappointment and surprise when Poulter was picked. The former remains this morning, the latter vanished during a weak press conference.
Faldo was a great champion, through single mindedness; he was never a team man so it should not have surprised me that he was unable to take criticism yesterday.
Did you notice the narrowing of the eyes when a journalist pointed out that Poulter has not had a competitive round below 67 since January? That was a dead giveaway.
Faldo doesn't like criticism, is not good at responding to others' views and I suspect Poulter was given the nod in advance despite Faldo's posturing yesterday.
For once i fear the Americans will have an advantage in team spirit (not having Woods may help that too) and recent Ryder Cups have shown how crucial a part that plays, especially when matches leave the 15th with no more than one hole in them; how often did Europe pull it out?
Of course Faldo and Poulter can bite back as the stats at the end of the week will prove my fears right or wrong. I hope they do but I feel the omission of characters such as Clarke (and arguably Monty) will detract, but it will leave dictator Faldo clear to exercise his control, for better or worse.
My final thought is that I would have considered Carl Petterrson, a recent winner Stateside who has run into very impressive form. The U.S. commentators on this week's Fedex Cup felt he was more of a contender than Monty and I tended to agree with them.
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Jim 62 Absolue tosh mate.
Poulter and Casey missed the cut at The Deutsche.
Neither have won a tournament this season.
Casey last won 50 tournaments ago, Poulter 22 events ago, somewhere in Japan. Casey gets in on his matchplay record.
Poulter aint shot lower than 67 since January this year, where he had his 'only' other top 10 finish.
Last time Poulter played Gleneagles in 2003 he shot 83 + 73. There's your reason for him not playing last weekend. Didn't want to undermine Faldo's pick, which i believe had already been made.
Faldo's ego has to be bigger than everyone elses, no room for a big character like Clarke. Plenty of room for his mate Poulter.
Clarke moved up 200 places in the rankings without the benefit of playing in the majors, winning 2 tourneys on the way. Poulter???
If the pick was on form as Faldo said it would be, Clarke's nailed on.
Faldo lacks depth, always has and proved this at yesterday's press conference
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I think a lot of you are missing the point.
When it comes down to the big stage, Ian Poulter will not let Europe down.
Form is temporary.
Golfers can shoot 61 on day 1 - 76 the following day! Its so up and down that you can always throw a stat in to back up something!!! Vijay Singh missed 50 % of his putts form 4-8 ft a few weeks ago and won.
All the stats count for nothing, matchplay is one hole at a time.
You don't need to shoot 67 in the Ryder Cup. You need to be confident, but also to play your opponent, play the aggresive shots at the right time. I think Poults style of play, (back 9 The Open, was high high pressure in exceptionally difficult conditions, he played to win, he played every shot like it mattered and nearly pulled it off) shows he has the game plus his time on PGA Tour is why he was picked ahead of Clarke.
Nick has made his mind up, he likes Poults attitude.
It doesn't really matter, the team has been picked and I for one will be backing Poults to shine.
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I am surprised at the reaction to Faldo's wildcard selections, particularly with those who question whether he should have picked players who play in the US at the expense of the European Tour.
The last time I checked, the Ryder Cup was being played in America - picking the guys who are most comfortable playing there makes perfect sense to me.
Casey was a gimme, so to speak, and Poulter impressed at the biggest tournament Faldo watched him at - I really don't see how anyone can query his selection.
Clarke was perhaps unlucky, but that's sport. He failed to qualify automatically and left it a little late to find form this year. It seems fair enough to leave him out to me.
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Very surprised Darren Clarke didn't make it. Superb Ryder Cup record, excellent recent form when it mattered with 2 wins, and very very popular in the locker room.
I am sure that team members will privately feel that Poulet should have tried to qualify by right for the sake of the team which would have left Faldo with an additional pick (Justin Rose changed his plans to secure qualification).
I am not convinced about Poulet - big mouth, big ego and relatively modest professional record. Of course, he may prove me wrong as he is fiercely determined now he is on the team, but I remain unconvinced.
The cornerstone of Europe's success over the last 25 years has been the togetherness that the USA have just failed to match. Europe find it quite natural, Americans have to try and force the team ethic and it hasn't really worked. This decision by Faldo is somewhat at odds with recent strategy and time will tell if it is an inspired pick or otherwise.
As a player, Faldo remains my no 1 hero because of his single minded approach in taking on and beating the Americans and getting to world no 1 with 6 majors. I remain unconvinced however that he has the real leadership qualities to succed as team captain, I hope I am wrong.
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There are a number of people backing Faldo in this whole affair but I would like to point out that because Faldo was a great player does not mean he will be a great manager of the team. In fact it is quite often the reverse. Tiger is a great player but is rubbish playing in a team as his ryder cup record demonstrates. I think the way he has handled the whole affair has been poor and loaded pressure onto Poulter. Not sure he should have picked Clarke, but surely if he was thinking of picking Poulter in the team, he should have had a quiet word with him (everyone seems to think he had a quiet word anyway) and told him to get himself up to Gleneagles and play. that would have made his choice so much less controversial.
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Kendrick/robertscross you are missing the point Faldo ranted on about current form being his highest priority (mainly so he could justifiable dump Montgomery) then went completely against his own stated policy by picking Poulter over Clarke. Yes Clarke should have qualified over the year ,and he isnt complaining ,but Poulter should have attempted to qualify by right last week but didnt have the bottle and would have given Faldo a tougher time picking him if he did poorly at GLeneagles.
This is Faldo being Faldo, the worst pick anyone could make when putting someone in charge on a team and trying to build morale.
Torrence, Woosnam, Ballesteros, even Langer ended up being one of the boys. Can you envisage Faldo joining everyone for a pre tournement get together and either boring the pants off everyone or talkiing about himself for 2 hours.
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Can people stop using the word 'unlucky' with Clarke's non selection. He was shafted.
He did not leave it too late to show form, he won in May and two weeks ago - thats 2 more wins that Casey and Showpony combined.
Poulter 'attitude' is hopeless, he did not have the nerve to try and qualify by right last weekend. He talks a good game but has delivered nothing.
How can Poulter be picked for his American experience when he has failed miserably this year to get any sort of decent finish.
Faldo's pick of Poulter is an insult to all European tour professionals.
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Good bit of banter - which is all good!!
How important is the Captains role?
10 of the 12 pick themselves. He's picked the 2 highest ranked palyers in the world not in the team, all he needs to do is get the pairings right, which isn't that hard as a lot of the guys are friends and spend a lot of time together anyway.
A lot of people are having a pop at Nick, just like our opinions on here are different, each captain is different. There is no specific way to get the best out of your team. Some players respond to the arm around the shoulder. Others will want instructions, but the modern day golfer is very much an individual lifestyle, they all know how to play. The buck rests with you, so the guys guided by Nick will need to be independant and help each other as well, thats another side to being the captain encouraging others to help and guide.
I am certain of one thing, Nick Faldo has earned the respect of the all the players. He might have been single minded as a player - but you can see all of the players want to play for "his " team, and he will bring them together for sure.
I have no doubt that although very different to all the other captains mentioned, he will be just as successful.
Lets back the guys, the team is picked and when Poults is stood over a 15ft putt for the win. He'll make it!!
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Having had a chance to 'sleep on it', I am now even more convinced that Darren Clarke and Colin Montgomerie should be on the 2008 Ryder Cup team.
The picks are there to compliment those who have qualified with balance and experience. Clarke has form, and good form at that along with experience. Montgomerie, although not in the best of form, also comes loaded with experience, particularly in match play. As we know, the mental elements within a player are tested to their fullest in the Ryder Cup pressure cooker atmosphere and that begins on the first tee. No Clarke means no pairing of Westwood / Clarke. These two have been practically impossible to 'shake off' over the years and the Americans will breathe a sigh of relief. No Montgomerie will also lighten the American burden. In matchplay, and particularly Ryder Cups, one cannot leave the door ajar for the opponent to get back in. Europe, over the last decade have been supreme in closing the door, bolting it and locking it tight. The door however is now ajar for an American revival, and Azinger and his men will be well aware of it.
Faldo has to be respected for his views and his picks give an opportunity to two fine young players who did not play their way onto the team. That said, one must select a team to take hold of the tournament and close it out. This Europe side will be tested to the full.
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The captains role is massive. He sets the tone for everything.
Faldo has a fantistic individual golfing record but he is not a leader of men. I'm sure he would love 12 malleable Ian Poulters in his team but he has to show flexibility in deailing with an array or different characters In order to get the best result. Something that he has not shown form with.
I'm very worried that Faldo has created a team within a team and its going to weaken the great bond that all the recent Ryder cup teams have had. There is no way the European tour players can be comfortable with Faldo's selection policy and his mumbling attempts to justify his decisions - not just about players but also about dispensing with a second vice captain. He has managed to alienate and insult a lot of Ryder cup legends and its still 3 weeks to the event! What is he going to be like when the pressure is on.
Still though I reckon the team is so strong when compared to the US lineup (regardless of their wildcards) that we should still win by a couple of points. Even Faldo's legendary poor people skills cant screw this one up.... can they...
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Clarke or Poulter? Lot of talk about Majors. Neither has won one. Next level down is a WGC event. Other than Tiger, only one player in the world has won more than one of these. Who is it? Clue: Poulter hasn't won any.
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Monty / Clarke = 0 Majors.
Lets stop living in the golfing past.....
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Faldo need another Vice captin badly.
Harrington, Westwood, Garcia, Jiminez and Karlsson are all RC pro's who will not go for Faldo's DJ's and drums in the dressing room antics (What a clown). Just picture it, it'll be just like the Wimbledon crazy gang days all over again, How about getting John Fahanu as VC.
From yesterdays press conference Ollie already looks like he has little more than a shadow role and is not involved in any of the decisions. It would be good if the players had someone sane to talk to.
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I am lost as to the omission of Clarke. Faldo say he is a stats man. Clarke has scored as many world ranking points as IP in the last year, he is above him in the orderf of merit. he has won twice this year. had he played in all the majors, WGCs he would have qaulified. HIs form last year has been well documented. 32 players at this weeks event were polled as to their selection - 29 said Clarke and 1 said Poulter - need I go on. USA are up already. Faldo's press conference was a disaster. The body language between Faldo and Olazabal does not bode well. His attempt at humour (Del BOy impersonation) was pathetic and his contempt for Monty was evident
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Casey/ Poulter = 0 majors.
Lets stop posting irrelevant stats
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I suspect that Faldo will have every opportunity to screw this one up. Hope he doesn't but his past abilities to manage anything apart from himself would seem something of an impediment.
Oh and by the way robertscross I am not aware that Poulter or Casey have won many majors between them. Actually I am not sure they have exactly shone in the "minors", at least not recently.
Anyhow despite Faldo itis I hope that Europe do win.
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Just replying to another stat statment!
I'm all for ignoring the stats my man!
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Azinger must be licking his lips at the moment. I bet he was out celebrating last night thanks to the arrogance of Faldo.
Over the last 10 Ryder cups what has been the main reason for our success apart from the inclusion of our Europeans neighbours has been the 'TEAM SPIRIT’. Everyone fighting for the team and not themselves.
As a captain you lead by example and what faldo has done now is sent out a message to his players that you should look out for yourself and not the team. Any TEAM manager worth his salt would have talked with his senior players before making such a major decision such as his picks. I not saying he needed to take their advice but thanks to Faldos arrogance and the fact he knew they would all have recommended Clarke he showed a major weakness. It will be very interesting to see what happens if things start badly in the states. I bet he ends up blaming EVERYONE and EVERYTHING to try to save face.
This really hurts me to say but for the first time ever I won't mind if the USA win. I think this is the only way of getting across to the European Tour to pick future captains who are team players and not out for themselves just like Mr Faldo.
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I am just thinking about how Poulter will act at the Ryder Cup. He will be a selfish teammate, a graceless winner, and a sore loser. He has talent, but no class. He belongs on a football terrace.
There is no better advert for golf and character than Darren Clarke. I feel for him, but he is made of bigger stuff.
Being a fair person, I think there has been a massive injustice perpetrated against Dazza.
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helimax, I suggest you have a look at Casey's results since the end of June. Yes, he hasn't won anything, but he's finished high up the leaderboard in some fairly testing tournaments, including 8th at the WGC Bridgestone, 15th at the US PGA and 7th at the Wyndham. That's not too shabby for someone who putts as well as me.
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I cant bring myself to look for an American win but I want Faldo and Poulter to be shown up for the frauds that they are. Their lies in the last couple of weeks have been very distasteful.
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I have always feared for Europe and the ryder cup after Captain Faldo was picked. All my fears have been confirmed. Can some one with a bit of sense please explain what has just happened. Faldo mentioned caseys world matchplay win - who has won the WGc matchplay - a proper tournamant not a mickey mouse spnsor invitation.
Who has taken on tiger, Duval (in his prime), Phil and all the rest and came out victorious and may i add magnanimous at all times.
Can't see IP being that
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Unbelievable, truly unbelievable!! No not Faldo’s picks but the whinging response from the majority on this blog!!
Hello!! The term WILD CARD implies the fact that the Captain can pick whoever he pleases! He could have chosen Nick Dougherty and Oliver Fisher if he so wished, then you would realy have had something to talk about!
I have greater faith in Faldo doing what HE thinks is right rather than what he thinks everyone else expects, after all it worked for his six majors!
There was a case for several players to be picked – in my view Ross Fisher, Martin Kymer both won big tournaments this year and just came up slightly shy.
In reality with four debutants in the side Faldo was never going to pick un-capped players. I also think that Faldo very much had pairings in mind and is likely to put Poulter with his good friend Rose, which no one can say would not be a fantastic pairing. Ok Clarke and Westwood have always done well but Westwood also plays well with Garcia, besides as a senior player Westwood will in all likelihood be paired with one of the new boys in the four balls.
Is Faldo arrogant – Yes, does he want to be in sole control – Yes! BUT this is Nick Faldo we’re talking about here I wouldn’t expect, or trust, anything less, at least he’s not going to trying to tell players how to play a shot they’re about to hit, like Seve did!!
Faldo is a man in control of his emotions, who has a plan in mind which he’s working to – in his playing days that usually meant everyone else was playing for the runners up prise!!
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I think that picking poulter was the right decision if think if there was a wrong decision its picking paul casey i think he has been dredful recently. I also think that even if a player is out of form like monty I still think that thats no excuse not to pick him. In recent ryder cups monty knows how to rattle the american's he knows how to get to them and I think thats poulters style for me the 2 picks would have been Poulter and Clarkey
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Not entirely sure why everyone focuses on the Poulter pick as the controversial one - Casey's reputation far exceeds his performances in any big tournaments, at least poulter showed up well in the British Open
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A few people on here have been saying that if Poulter finished 4th in the Fed-Ex he would have qualified through the world list.
Is this true? Surely the deadline was Sunday night and that tournament finishes today?
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I think that when the ' dust has settled ' over the wild card picks, the 'Team' will listen to their Captain and the senior players , then start the process of focusing on again winning this years Ryder Cup.
The history of golf and the Cup is full of controversial decisions and players, many didn't see eye to eye, but most perform to their highest level when representing their team.
I don't think Poulter will let down 'anyone' and maybe his team mates see him as 'flaky' , but I am sure all acknowledge he has 'game '.
I think Faldo will continue to surprise, but personally believe he will deliver, as he did in his prime - maybe the ' favourites' .... Europe will now be better prepared and more focused !?
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It doesn't matter how the team is picked.
Please please please, lets get behind the boys, no matter what our thoughts are.
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Ally Gory is right. Poulter has finished high up in a few tournaments. But he is simply not as good a golfer as Clarke and he is simply not as good a member of the team as Clarke would have been. A past comment on the Westwood/Clarke team was perceptive. That was a great combination.
Did Faldo really do Del boy? Missed that; bet it was excrutiating.
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number785 thanks for condescending to add your comments.
As you obviously haven't quite grasped the purpose of this page, this blog invites people to post their views on the subject discussed, which is what has happened. I'm pretty sure most of us grasp the captain's picks procedure and, just as Faldo is free to choose who he likes, so we are free to voice our bafflement. You may have faith in Faldo, but that doesn't make those of us who disagree with you wrong.
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Enough is enough - We have the team so lets get on with what matters most ie Another Win.
What do you think of my 1st day pairings;
4somes
Garcia/Westwood
Harrington/McDowell
Poulter/Rose
Stenson/Jiminez
4Balls
Garcia/Casey
Harrington/Karlsson
Westwood/Wilson
Stenson/Hansen
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What a great event the Ryder cup is. But this one for me is tainted by Showpony being picked ahead of a true giant of golf and a player in top form, Clarke. Poulter has no form coming into this, contrary to what some posters are saying on this forum.
Faldo and Poulter will never have any involvement in the european tour again so I'll be glad to see the back of them when its over. Faldo has stripped the teamwork from the European team and wants individuals - it did not work for the US in the past. We'll see what happens..
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Faldofan.. speculating about the opening pairings is pointless. There are too many permutations to list, and the arguments will rage until right up to the tee-off.
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What a lot of posters I think are missing is that Matchplay in a team event is an entirely different beast to strokeplay.
Just ask Tiger Woods, look at his abysmal record in the Ryder Cup. The World Matchplay, where Clarke and more especially Montogomery have good records, , shows also who can tolerate 36 holes in a day; not everyone - and Poulter in my view doesn't have the focus for that.
Every match is a one-off, it is about temperament, not statistics. That's why Faldo is WRONG to pick Poulter. He is a player in the selfish Faldo mould, that's why he likes him, look at Poulter's bizarre comments that in a couple of years only he and Woods will dominate the World game.
That he hasn't shot a 66 in competitive play since January means also the stats aren't even that good for Faldo to hide behind. A great run at the Open granted, but his temperament is suspect and he most certainly is the worst possible choice in terms of 'team'.
The advantage Europe should have taken into the team room and out onto the course with personalities like Clarke also has been ripped away. I fear this team will be soulless, though Jimenez brings something to the table in terms of spirit.
At odds against, the advantage will now lie very firmly with the home team.
Advantage U.S.A.
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We appreciate Faldo not selecting Clarke as it gives us some glimmer of hope at being successful.
As an objective observer, it is not surprising that Faldo failed to identify the key trait that we Americans have attributed to the recent success of the Europeans' side. That trait being it's team chemistry. Who better as a wildcard pick to help ensure that chemistry more than Big Darren Clarke? Beyond the argument of who is in better form, Clarke with his infectious attitude would cetanly bolster the overall team's mentality. However, it does not astonish me that Faldo, the loner, abstains from realizing the value of that chemistry.
Wouldn't you really like to know what vice-captain Ollie's opinion would have been?? I bet he would like to have Big D on the roster.
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Good comment gpop67; all this Euro navel-gazing; who are we expecting to see Paul Azinger pick?
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All of this criticism aimed at Poulter is pathetic and smacks of either mindless grey haired Golf Secretaries who criticise him for being differnt and exciting or of nepitism beacuase he' doesn't hail from the Emerald Isle ... - he didn't make the pick, Faldo did.. and besides he is ranked number 23 in the world (over the last two years) higher than Casey, Monty, Clarke, Wilson and many others who are either in the team or who were cited as could be in the team.
Clarke has won nothing worthy of mentioning this year - meaningless event somewhere in Asia against a weak field - Poulter was head and shoulders ahead of anyone (except Padraig) at the Open in tough conditions when many failed to stand up and be counted and blamed the weather, the course and just about everything other than their own inadequacies. I'd rather have Poulter there than a nice man who people want to give a sympathy vote to - there is a huge gap between Poulter and Clark in the world rankings - that said I'd rather Clark be there than Wilson....
Nobody appears to mention the fact that Sergio has won nothing of note for ages nor Casey, nor Stenson - lets just hope that if the Ryder Cup comes down to one put on the final day that its either Padraig or Poulter over it and not Casey or Garcia....
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Tordskipple- if you looked close enough at the rankings you would see that clarke has gained as many world ranking points as IP in the last year (won in lesser events). Clarke's dip in form 2006-07 is well documented and to climb back up the rankings this year is testament to the strength of the man.
People forget that cause of his loss in form he couldn't make 3 of the majors and likewise in the WGC
I take offence when he says that Clarke should get a sympathy vote - he is a proven winner on their day he is twice the player the selfish IP is.
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It may be worth remembering that the Ryder cup is in the U.S where the two captains picks play the majority of there golf and where Casey especially, has shown good recent form. I still would have picked Clark and Casey though.....Unlucky Daz.
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The last time I was this annoyed with a team selection was with the lions in New Zealand - we all know what happened then
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Please stop using the term luck, it has no bearing in why Clarke will not be playing in the Ryder cup this year.
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Poulter's form this year has been nothing short of pathetic. 2 top tens all year?
Granted 1 was in the Open but I'm guessing the conditions that week will not be similar to those at Valhalla!
Just Faldo trying to be different as usual and missing the key point to Europes recent success in the event - team spirit.
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Pedro801 - what is Darren Clarke's current world ranking please?
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....please stop going on about the team being soulless and void of spirit because clarke won't be there, Garcia? westwood? Himenez? Harrington? these guys are hardly loners with no team spirit?
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I agree that Clarke would have been a sounder choice, but my comment concerns the European captaincy.
I would like to see a return to the days where a captain would be at the helm for two or three Ryder Cups, rather than the American "one cup, one captain" approach. Given the recent successes of the Europeans, a loss in 2008 will label Faldo as a loosing Ryder Cup captain, which given his record in the majors would be undeserving.
I feel that there is now a conveyor-belt approach to European captains, based on years on the tour, rather than on an individuals ability to captain the side. Faldo fails to inspire as a leader and his press-conference yesterday lacked lucid thought and was populated with repetition.
I am consoled by the fact that the European team stands tall and has never lacked determination.
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Granted but the team spirit of those mentioned will be lessened by the choice of Poulter rather than Clarke. Particularly Westwood
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There will undoubtedly be a great team spirit in the European camp this year. With all those top players and true personalities there will be a great atmosphere.
It is shame that the captain and the peacock will bring nothing to this party.
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Clarke is about 56th in the world - he was down around 240 at the start of the year.
He took most of last year off to be with his young family following the loss of his wife 2 years ago. This was the reason for his low ranking - he missed 3 of the majors and may competition invites due to his low ranking but still managed to drag himself back up the rankings. If he competed in the Majors he would have made the team comfortably.
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hooker 1974 - at last a good post. We have a great team - it matters not from which Countries they are assembled (unless of course you are from a certain Country where it then appears to be personal if players from that Country are overlooked).
In an ideal world we'd have 3 wild cards and Darren Clarke could be there instead of Wilson who isn't even inside the World's top 50... but we don't and he's not - we have more than enough experience and calibre in the team (Westwood, Garcia and especially Jimenez and Padraig) to enable another European victory. How much good does it do a player to have half of the fans ridiculing his inclusion?
More bemusing than Faldos picks are the comments insulting Poulter and suggesting that Monty should have been in!! Please - he is a pale shadow of himself and not worthy of a mention in Ryder Cup terms let alone inclusion.... if his breasts get any bigger he'll be on the ladies tour...
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Tordkipple - clarke is ranked 59th or something but if you look at the column on the right you see his and IP's points in the last 52 weeks are very similar.
Clarke has gained these points in lesser events.
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32 players were polled at this weeks event - 29 said darren and one lonely (must be a faldo clone) player said IP.
Did you watch golf night last night - anybody who knows anything about golf had clarke first pick
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Its a great team alright but with a brutal captain.
Fair play to Faldo for winning a few majors but he is not RC captain material, rubs people up the wrong way, picks mates ahead of stronger players. He was talking about picking players who were hot hot hot - does that make him a liar liar liar... Or do all those tartan and garish outfits do it for him..
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Pedro
Thats my point - IP has had a reasonable year and is worthy of his high ranking - the debate on here seems to totally ignore that and looks to make out that NF has drafted in some club golfer from nowhere. I'd have loved Clarke to be there I think he has a lot to offer - sadly he wont be there - thats not Poulter's fault and he's done nothing to deserve such a harsh reception he's a very capable golfer in his own right. I'd much rather see Clarke there instead of one or two who have qualified by right - I think if PC and IP had qualified Faldo would have selected Clarke head of one or two others. Don't want to get into the 'he shouldn't be there debate' - but Clarke would have been a welcome member, in my opinion, over one or two who did qualify.
I still think Europe will have too much for the septics...
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Tordskiple- Nonsense!
Poulter didn't play at Gleneagles because the last time he did, he hacked his way around. Didn't want to undermine the pick, which in my view had already been made.
Sounds like a man full of confidence. Sorry, he doesn't lack confidence, just the ability to match the hype!!
Faldo should have been honest but then thats Flado. Can't wait on his next howler! There will be one.
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I hope so torskipple - i just don't think IP helped himself by chasing an american dream playing away. Faldo should have encouraged him to play here and qualified. Respect to Rose who cemented his place by playing the last 2 events. I wonder did he have a different conversation with Faldo than IP did.
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Tournament form?? Tour record?? Points?? Earnings???
It's all a load of tosh really in the Ryder Cup because the format is completely different.
Clarke should've got the nod. He's a better matchplayer, he's a better presence to have in the changing room and around the team, and he's a better playing partner.
One things for sure he'll be skippering the squad some day, Poulter or Casey won't.
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liongeorge you sound like you read The Sun - or maybe write for it?
Pure speculation and conspiracy theory nonsense . IP can play where he choses when he choses. "IP didn't play at Gleneagles because the last time he did he hacked his way around" .... that was the case at The Open last year but he did OK this... complete tosh mate. Why wasn't Casey at gleneagles?
the simple fact is the American tour is rated higher, pays more and counts for more - thats why they were both there. i dont like it - but its very true.
Dont remember seeing either Clarke or Monty on the winning podium at the w/e, or covering themselves in any glory.
And how do you know Faldo isn't being honest - pure speculation based on not one ounce of fact or substance. Sour grapes for all those who don't like Poulter - golf, like many sports, is not based on personality. If good moral was all it was about the England Football team would still be selecting Gazza and Paul Merson.
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"IP has had a reasonable year"
Has he? Apart from The Open, he's hardly been in contention anywhere and if you look at his career stats on his website, his stroke average and putting average are higher than they've been since 2001. Again, Casey hasn't been winning, but he has a string of top 10 finishes in recent months and Clarke has 2 wins this year, one of them very recent.
Yes, I can't stand Poulter, but would still have picked him if he merited a pick. He doesn't merit a pick on any measure except world ranking and, as patiently explained by a few people, that makes very little allowance for recent form.
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"Why wasn't Casey at Gleneagles?"
Simple, because winning a tournament he's won twice before wouldn't give him enough points to qualify.
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Tordskipple - its not that the vast majority of people don't like IP - its because darren is more worthy, better equipped, more qualified, more wanted than Poulter - who thinks if you talk a good game and wear different clothes that you are an exciting golfer
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Regarding Poulter playing in his 15th event in US rather than Gleneagles, he should have planned his schedule better. He could have set up his schedule to retain his US PGA card (15 events)without interfering with the Ryder cup selection process.
As for Azinger's Picks:
Stricker, Holmes, Mediate and Toms
Azinger is a native Floridian (Sarasota) and he will respect and honor the experienced players along with the native Kentuckian. Just my guess!!
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gpop67
I'd say your guess at Azingers picks look about right. Stricker is a very good matchplayer, Mediate has been excellent in the majors this year, Toms adds some needed experience and Holmes a little excitement.
Spot on
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gpop - agree . Poulters planning was poor at best - he would have known, or should have known, the criteria for retaining his US card and organised it well in advance. Iif he'd played at Gleneagles and played badly - he'd still probably have got the nod. if he'd played well - most people on here would have little to talk about - which would make for a very boring Monday.
Like the look of your picks for the US team and I'd struggle to name anyone else who PA could pick - think they are the best of the rest for the US - which is good news for Europe!!
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I recall the last qualifying tournament 4 years ago when IP and Darren were playing together in the last round. Darren had already qualified and IP was on the bubble. around the back nine darren and his caddie gave IP a good talk and spurred him on. IP finished well and snuck in. Thats the type of person DC is and who will be sorely missed
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Nick Faldo stated to millions of viewers that he has become a stats man since working for American Tv and he was just waiting until Paul caseys putting came round before giving him a wild card. If you`re reading this Nick heres the stats you should have been looking at.
Ian Poulter G.I.R. 189th puts P.Rnd 37th
Dr dist 138th Accuracy 154th
World points dropped this Yr 113.
Paul Casey G.I.R. T38th puts P.Rd 209th
Dr dist 19th Accuracy 103rd
World points dropped this Yr 116
Darren Clarke does not have any stats because he plays mainly in Europe but he has GAINED 101 World points this Yr.
In the puts per green stats Poulter is tied 73rd while Casey is 202nd. If this is what Faldo classes as his putting coming round we are in trouble.
I also think it was presumptious of him to infer that Monties Ryder cup career was finished as it was dismissive and discorteous of him to leave a voicemail for colin saying he wawatching football or out shopping somewhere.
If you are not going to pick someone you should at least have the balls to tell them personally. This will come back to haunt him big time because Colin will be back in 2 years to take his points record away from him.
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Tordskipple. I don't read the sun mate.
The last time Poulter played Gleneagles he shot 73 + 83, fact.
Hasn't won in 22 touneys and just 2 top 10 finishes this year. Hardly good form.
Its obvious that Faldo picked his mate. I have nothing against Poulter, just don't think he's as good as he thinks. Faldo on the other hand has been dishonest about the basis for the picks and this was clear at yesterday's press conference when he was pressed on the issue.
Clarke brings way more to the team on and off the course and should have got the vote.
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"Faldo on the other hand has been dishonest about the basis for the picks"...
Surely this is slanderous and not something the BBC would wish to be associated with?
Not sure about that one, I'm not Faldo so cannot confirm it - I didn't see anything that looked dishonest - just unpopular with a lot of people. In Faldo's defence (who I don't particularly like by the way) he's not there to be popular, he's there to win. if he does that he's done his job. Fact.
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If he's there to win, then pick winners. Clarke is a winner, Poulter on the other hand played well in the Open and???
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I don't think Faldo has been dishonest it is just that the man has so little grey matter that any layer of thought process beyond the bleedin obvious is a bit beyond him. That is when he retrenches to Del boy impressions. Although to be fair Clarke was the bleedin obvious and he missed that one.
Maybe now Faldo is older it is only the absolutely patently completely obvious that he can deal with.
Anyhow still hope we win!
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You're missing my point - I wanted Clarke in the team, still would want him in the team, but he's not.
He has won two very weak competitions where hardly anyone (if anyone at all) from the worlds top 10 were playing.... Casey has won nothing.... Wilson not even in the Worlds top 50 - neither of them should be included ahead of Clarke but they are... its not just Poulter... Poulter will represent us well and I'm confident will get his share of points - he certainly wont let anyone down and I'm pretty confident will not be the lowest scoring European....
if people have got an issue with Faldo as a person - then thats a different debate - not the same as Poulter doing a job for us and bringing something different to the overall team.
Playing well in one tournament does not get you to 23rd in the World, so he must have accumulated some good points along the way...
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missed the Del Boy impression - is it on youtube or any other website? Must have been painful watching...
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Poulter is one player. Europe will win handily anyway. European players are better all round than US Players, most of whom never play outside the US.
This year is as much a home game for Europe as the US, given that most Europeans play in the states and/or played their University golf here.
US also has the disadvantage of less enthusiasm from the fan base. Yes, there will be plenty of yelling at the tournament, but the Ryder Cup means less in the US than in Europe, especially the UK.
This is partly money - the Fedex cup means more to the players than an exhibition - and partly other distractions. Presidential campaigns, the climax of the Baseball season, the start of gridiron football and other major sports. The Ryder Cup barely makes the news and does not even lead the sports news.
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Like almost everyone else, I am very surprised Darren Clarke was left out. His Ryder Cup credentials are impeccable, and of the contenders for a pick, he is in the best form of any, having a recent victory to his credit. Although there is no question that Ian Poulter is an excellent player, there is a suspicion that he got the nod over a better player because he is Nick Faldo's mate. Having said that, I expect Ian Poulter to perform very well, and the European team to win the cup. If they don't, Nick will be in for a lot of criticism, but that is all part of being a Ryder Cup captain.
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I read in several comments that there is the belief that several leaders already exist on the Euro team. I sense however that there may be some disdain between two of your top players, Harrington and Garcia. I may be wrong, but Sergio's comments in the post PGA cham. interview reflected some animosity towards Harrington.
That kind of tension can only help our chances, especially without Clarke's presence.
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I don't like Poulter, and I hardly imagine he'll be Mr Popular in the locker room either, but the thing we have to remember about Faldo is this - professionally, he doesn't fail.
As a player, commentator, course designer, and businessman, he has always done whatever was necessary to get the job done.
He'll know that the best massaging his enormous ego will get will be in seeing his team hammer America again. That alone makes me trust him to reject cronyism/English bias, and all the other accusations he's faced in the last 24 hours. Victory is the goal for him - there are no other considerations.
Am I unsure about Poulter? Definitely, but I still feel the team, captained and inspired by Faldo, can carry this self-promoter and bring the cup back home.
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Why are so many people surprised at the fact that Faldo has made what could be seen as controversial picks?
He based his whole playing career around not giving a toss about what other people thought of him or his methods, and was by any standards, reasonably successful.
He has never been and never will be a 'team man' - not a particularly admirable quality in a team captain.
When all is said and done, he will either bask in the glory of a european win, justifying his selections, or in the event of defeat, congratulate the Americans, shrug his shoulders and go back to his lucrative TV contracts on american television.
And lest we forget, Woosnam's picks were not without controversy when he left out Thomas Bjorn.
Clarke vs Poulter, Poulter vs Montgomerie? Any of these are capable of producing match winning performances on their day, and the omission of any one of them is unlikely to alter the course of the weekend.
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" A Little Night Music "
It is interesting to note the results of the public opinion pole on this site. Of the 2657 votes cast: 14% Poulter
60% Clarke
The result of the player pole at Gleneagles:
Of the 32 players: 1 vote for Poulter.
Ryder Cup record steeped heavily in favour of Clarke.
The first thing that came to mind when I heard of Faldo's imprudence, was the Stephen Sondheim song from 1973: " Send in the Clowns "
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Faldo has committed the cardinal sin of not picking the wild cards that most informed(?) opinion demanded- well done Nick.
Why does yesterdays man Gallacher have to put his oar in? No doubt when Europe win again he will maintain that Faldo got away with it.
Faldo was given the Captaincy and the responsibility of the wild card picks so why can't we all just accept the Team and support it instead of going on about Clarke and Monty, who had the chance to make the Team by right. The thing that really surprises me is the silence of the charismatic Mark James- I would have bet the house that the first sneering whine would have been his.
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For the life of me I can't think what Poulter has won or just exactly what he is going to bring to this team.
Anyone help me with this?
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Clarke was the man to pick. 3 points with Westwood a dead cert!!! but dont ask me to put my house on it.
That said, the decision has been made and I doubt many would have supported it but we have to get behind the team now.
We cant let elements within our media and the US media to use this to unsettle the team.
There are some in our media and ex-players mainly who just dont like Faldo. Fair enough he was selfish and he does have his odd ways but this is bigger than all that. This is the Ryder cup!!!!!!
So come on Europe, Come on Poulter because I reckon thats what Clarke will be saying from the 19th all the way through to the 21st.
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If we all expect Nick Faldo to pick the players we think should be in the team, then the wildcards might as well be done by phone vote.
Faldo has picked the players he thinks will get the job done, although many people on this thread clearly think he cares more about having his mates (or even fellow countrymen) on the team rather than win the event, which is plainly nonesense.
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I'm a huge Nick Faldo fan. Growing up watching the game he was probably my first sporting hero. He is excellent behind a microphone and very funny. His autobiography is a good read.
However, i agree with earlier posts. The fact he chose poulter and casey is fair enough - he is the captain - its his decision but it was the explanations he gave in the press conference. There was no insight, no real meat to the bones of how he reached his decision. I find this fact difficult to fathom as he is so comfortable in front of the media.
Faldo was never going to pic Monty or Clarke - he wanted to go oddball with poulter and he reminds me of another square hipped captain -Mark James in '99 - who picked coltart over Langer.
This is faldo's time in front of the camera and he's making the news already. And anyone who felt this wouldn't happen hasn't read nick's book. He will do it his way, and if poulter was tipped to make the team he may have picked clarke,
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133, Please answer the question at 131
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The only thing I can think of is that Poulter will bring a nice range of trousers and the remains of his 30 pieces of silver.
Just read on the PGA website that as a result of missing the cut at the Deutsche Bank Championship Casey has dropped to 74th in the Fed ex cup and Poulter to 112th. This means that both will have failed to qualify for The Tour Championship orThe B M W Championship. In a way I feel sorry for Casey but not for Poulter.
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One of things that has amused/suprised me about some people's reaction to the Europe Ryder Cup team is the idea that Darren Clarke is somehow needed in the side to keep the team spirit up. Why? Does he do a good caberet act in the hotel after dinner?
Okay, I admit that's being a touch facecious, but the arguement that 'We need him because of his partnership with Westwood is so good' doesn't cut much ice. For one thing, that almost presupposes that Lee would be unprofessional enough to not bother trying if he was paired with somebody else (poulter, for instance), which is every bit as insulting as it sounds. Lee Westwood will be great for Europe in the Ryder Cup because Lee is a great player, not becasue he's got an old mate holding his hand. Was Darren carrying Lee's clubs or something at The US Open and The Bridgestone when he put in those good performances? Or was maybe Lee's comments pushing for Darren to be included (and ditto Padraig with Monty) more to do with wanting to see a good mate get picked (nothing wrong with that by the way) than any legitimate concerns on how the team would fare without them?
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the guys will buckle down and get on with it regardless- as soembody has already said, It's not like Poulter doesn't have his own friends- Rose and Casey for instance- who'll be gald to have him on board.
The last comment I'd like to make relates to the suggestion that now Faldo has confirmed Monty is not playing, that Faldo should incorporate him into the backroom staff in some way- are you guys kidding me? This would be same Monty who aimed an utterly disgraceful comment at a television sound recorder for the heinous crime of doing his job (and was let off scott-free by the Euro Tour bigwigs)? The same Monty whose on-course behaviour sometimes borders on the contemptable? The same Monty who is as guilty of the type of aloofness with the media that many people have accused Faldo of on this very page!? If anything he would even LESS charisma to proceedings than Nick would, and I admit that's saying soemthing.
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Faldo has fallen into the woodward (rugby)trap. He cant think outside the 'english' box and has draped himself in players that he feels comfortable with as a result of a perceived shared culture. Faldo has seldom been liked by other pros and his open door policy to players in his own image will ensure that this continues.
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If the European team was picked from the world money list (as of 24/08/08), Casey , Hansen and Rose would be out, and Petterson, Chopra and Kaymer would be in.
Poulter (10th) would have been in - Clarke finishing in 13th, Casey in 14th and Monty in 18th.
I'm not saying this is the best way to pick the team, but since money on offer is a fair reflection of the quality of the field, is does tend to indicate that the selection of Poulter is not as ridiculous as some people seem to indicate.
Having said all that, I would probably have gone for Clarke and Casey, but I think Poulter will do a good job.
Moset people seem okay with the selection of Casey, its the selection of Poulter over Clarke that gets peoples goat. So many people seem to think that the European team have gone from favourites to massive underdogs becasue of this one selection. logically, this is a ridiculous notion.
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nick faldo is very wrong with his picks, I think not picking darren clarke is wrong, maybe faldo was thinking of the england flag when he made his picks. Faldo is by far the worst captain we will ever see, America will win.......
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Just seen an interview with Monty. He's taking it well. Looks like he's going to be okay after all and any fears of a Paul Gascoigne type descent can be dismissed. All of which means it was perhaps correct to leave him out.
As for Clarke, it's a strange one don't you think? ... he was picked last time when he shouldn't have been and not picked this time when he should have been!
Furthermore, a very poor captain in Ian Woosnam was rewarded for that bad Clarke decision by a massive victory! ... it's a peculiar thing, the RC, isn't it?
So maybe it will all work out fine this time too ... I see a 16/12 win for America but it's possible that I have it wrong.
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I think that Faldo made the right picks, and went for the players he thought would perform the best instead of picking people out of sentiment.
Firstly, the idea of him picking monty was laughable, as i think i heard on sky sports commentary the other day that Monty's cumulative score for the year, taking into account ever round played in every tournament, was 67 over. I dont even think that mine would be as high as that. He has been a great player but his time has passed.
I think that Clarke is a good player and would liked to have seen him in the team on merit. However, a number of people in this forum come up with the worst arguments ever for his inclusion. Yes, he has just won and is coming into a bit of form, but has hasnt had the best of 2 years and i can remember his last really good performance in a big competiton with high pressure and a tough field.
Another point made by some is that clarke improves team spirit, but i think thats just disrespectful to everyone else on the team by suggesting that one man determines how they all get on and bond. Also, some people have commented that everyone hates poulter, but isnt he great friends with justin rose to name but one?
The argument that he wants an all english team and this is some kind of conspiracy is just plain ignorant.
I think that picking poulter is a good move, as he is an incredible determined player who i believe will fight for every point, and lets not forget that he put in a good performance at the 2004 ryder cup.
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There are a lot of good reasons for picking Poulter over Clarke and Monty - but judging by Faldo's poor press conference performance I fear the real reasons lie somewhere else. Expect much 'hilarity' if Europe are victorious - this is really what Faldo his eye on - taking centre stage with Poulter and Stenson (another of Faldo's comedy favourites), larking about with the boys and trying to prove for the umpteenth time that he's not a dullard.
Why bother with Ryder Cup legends who'll steal your thunder?
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It's the final day at Valhalla 08 and it's very close. Garcia and Harrington are in matches 4 and 5 ... they're both expected to win but Garcia is all square (vs Kim) as he stands on the 18th tee, and so is Harrington as he puts out on the 17th. Harrington holes his tricky 5 footer to remain levels with Furyk and he strides off to the final tee.
Oh no, the Garcia Kim match hasn't tee'd off yet! A very awkward few minutes ensues as the players wait for the fairway to clear (Poulter went way right off the tee in match #3 and found an unplayable).
It's Europe's honour (courtesy of a great Garcia birdie on 17) and Sergio struggles with his focus. He can see Padraig standing just a few yards away and the vibe is not positive. They've managed to avoid each other for the whole week but now it's gone badly wrong.
Up ahead, Poulter tries to play his unplayable. He hacks at the ball a few times and then he picks up ... Curtis wins and it's a point to USA. Crucial now that Garcia and Harrington win through. Surely they will, won't they?
Garcia addresses the ball, tries not think about Harrington, about how much the guy gets on his nerves. He regrips about a hundred times and then he swings and he hits ... oh god, it's a crooked one! ... it's a banana! ... he's followed Poulter into the bad stuff over on the right!
With the pressure off a bit, Kim tonks it down the middle and it's another point for USA ... a bonus point, really. Captain Nick looks disgusted with Sergio. He can't understand what's just happened.
Padraig can understand it though. He knows why Sergio has messed up and he feels like it's his fault. The awful sense of guilt is still there, 10 minutes later, as he sets up to launch his drive. The pressure he feels is tons worse than the last day of a major and he can't hold it together. His tee shot goes off almost at right angles! ... it's a complete shank!
Jimmy F, inevitably, sends it down the short stuff and he pockets the point. He's beaten Europe's marque player and he knows (the whole American team knows) that the trophy is as good as won. As for Nick, he's a man in shock. He never, in a million years, had Padraig down as a shanker.
An hour or so later and it's confirmed ... the final score is USA 16 Europe 12.
Ah well, say a number of pundits, perhaps it's good that the Americans have won this time. A fair few other pundits say what a massive mistake by Faldo to send Poulter out third and to play Harrington and Garcia in adjoining matches ... a terrible captain all round, in fact, say a number of people.
Thousand of miles away, a curly haired Scotsman is jubilant ... he turns off the TV and, despite his ample girth, he starts leaping and yelping around his lounge like a banshee.
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Put very simply. Poulter showed little regard for the Ryder cup place by staying in the States, a total lack of commitment! Unless of course he already had the nod from Faldo in which case Faldo should be held in complete contempt.
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Faldo's performance at the press conference was abysmal. That apart the most likely reasons for his bizarre selection of Poulter are:
1. He is a bit of a (raging) xenophobe and is not going to have Paddies or Scots with funny accents giving him advice. Its a pity that that other Paddy managed to fluke three majors and made himself an automatic selection.
2. He is not very bright, a distinct possibility, and actually thinks Poulter/Casey is best for the team.
3. By surrounding himself, in so far as he can, with minnows be will be better able to bask in the glory if there is any.
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#145
Can I have the winner of next year's Grand National or perhaps this Saturday's Lotto numbers? Your powers of foresight are truly remarkable, exceeded only perhaps by your capacity for hyperbolic indefatigability.
I am truly astonished that you took the time to type out that load of old nonsense. Moreover I am still trying to work out why you made the effort.
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Let us get a grip, Nick Faldo has been and still is one of the great golfers of our time, this not a crusade for Faldo but a fact of life, he knows the American system better than most and understands what will happen to the European golfers from the American fans, we can hear it now USA USA, and if the book Into the Bearpit is to be believed then the American players wife’s are as bad, Casey and Poulter are in the thick of this nearly every week, they know the American courses and setup as well as the Americans, yes it would have been nice for Clarke to play nice guy and all that, but this is not playing Mr Nice guy this is down and dirty with a very hard opponent who will do anything to win, so give Faldo a chance, if he loses then he will take it like a man, if he wins then we will all say he did the right thing.
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I'm not sure that anyone has suggested that Clarke should play on the basis that he is "a nice guy" or out of sentiment. He has been into that bearpit considerably more often and with considerably more success than Poulter.
The team is picked and I will be behind every one of them every step of the way. However that doesn't stop me from wishing that Faldo, for whatever reason, chose to ignore the experienced and in-form player and instead go for a guy who has managed two top-ten finishes all season and has little else in his CV to back up his inclusion.
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Just for the record, even if Europe win, Faldo did not do the right thing.
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Plumber (#148)
It's mainly just golf where I can "see things"
... sorry!
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Well done Faldo! Someone had to say it. Nick has shown what proper captaincy is all about, not being swayed by the masses, including the moronic outpourings on Sky recently.
If you ask me, the Ryder Cup is now as relevant as the St. Omer open. Any golf fan knows how many majors Nicklaus won. How many Ryder cups did he win? Who cares.
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tinytom99.
You say of Ian Poulter " lets not forget he put up a good performance in the 2004 RC)
I suppose if you think playing 2 winning 1 losing 1 is a good performance it must be.
Faldo stated that his picks were based on current form but he obviously didn`t see that Poulter is currently 46th on the US money list and Casey 64th - behind every one of the US RC team. Does that fill you with confidence?.
Both Casey and Poulter have said they were trying to push for FedEX points and that is the reason they played in the Deutsch Bank. They must be in a great vein of form if they missed the cut and are both out of the two big ones.
Incidentally a young Brit by the name of Martin Laird who also plays the US tour has qualified for both, he is 54 places higher in the standings than Poulter so maybe Faldo should have picked him ( going on current form)
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Faldo's decision to omit Clarke is an appalling one by any standards. Clarke's contribution to "Team Europe" has been immense in recent RC's and his partnership with Westwood was almost guaranteed to bring two points in the fourballs format. There is no doubt that key members of the team will feel "flat" without Clarke's big presence.
As for Casey and Poulter - both have big reputations for achieving very little. How many times have we seen both players well placed in big tournaments after round 2/3 only to see them fall predictably away into the pack.
A number of contributors have pointed to Casey/Poulter playing a lot in the US and therefore being good choices for Valhalla. One even mentioned Casey's 8th place at the Bridgestone WGC. Clarke has been short of opportunities to play in the US for obvious reasons in 2008 but he managed 5th at the Bridgestone in one of the best fields assembled this year outside the Majors.
If Europe win then I suspect it will have little to do with Faldo's guidance and more to do with inspired performances from Garcia, Westwood et al.
The one consolation for Faldo is that he is unlikley to be as poor a captain as his "pal" Mark James, who made Rookie Andrew Coltart one of his picks and didn't play him until the singles while Bernhard Langer watched from afar!
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#155- Faldo's decision isn't 'appalling.' He hasn't done anything more heinous than simply choose another player. Nick Faldo has not commited any crime by not picking Clarke and he does not deserve some of the dreadful flack some of you have given him.
Let's face it, whoever got the wildcard pick it would be a judgement call and we can argue until the first tee shot is struck at Valhalla oer who is right, but at the end of the day, it's Faldo's call. If Faldo had humuiliated Clarke in some way, or made some promise to him which he he went back on, that wold be 'appalling.' Simply making what is a 50-50 call and choosing somebody else is not appalling treatment, that's sport.
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It was never a 50-50 call between Clarke and Poulter.
Faldo talk of picking a Hot hot hot player and went back on his word and picked someone not coping well at all with the pressure of qualification and ignoring the hottest form being displayed by his wildcard choices. - This is the basis for accusations of cronyism and seems accurate to me.
The world rankings are erroneous as clarke took most of last year off and did not get into many big event this year as a result. His form and RC capability far outweigh Poulters.
Its a terrible start to Faldo's captaincy, if he tries to goof his way through the RC its just going to be embarrasing to watch.
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Sneaking suspicion that Faldo would prefer a close, tense finish to the Ryder cup. By picking Poulter and Casey he's thinking more about entertainment than a crushing victory. I think his picks are more to do with box-office and not boring the American public with another whitewash than who can get points on the board. He's basically casting a movie - I only hope his own cringe-making cameo appearances are left on the cutting room floor.
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I ended up 2 out of 4 with the American picks. 4 solid picks nonetheless. The American team may actually edge out the European team on the basis of chemistry. Azinger even noted the value of team chemistry in the press conf.
Seems like Clarke is handling situation with class.
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Watching everything that has gone on in the last couple of days, I feel both confident and little worried for Europe.
Nick Faldo is loner, always has been. Watching him in the press conference I wish someone had asked - if you want to talk to the guys first hand and make all the decisions, what is Olle's role? How much better would everyone feel with Clarke, Monty, Mcginly in the team room as his assistants even if he wanted to make his own decisions??
I expected Clarke to get picked and wanted him, the team will be weaker with him not in it. But Poulter already has an enormous amount of pressure on him to peform. Lets not make it worse with negative press. He is in the team, accept it, after all he's not that bad is he? He's number 24 in the world and knows how to play in the U.S. He has played very well with his good friend Justin Rose in the Seve trophy.
Having said that, one thing that really got on my nerves was Faldo in the press conference. He never really fully answered the question he was being asked and avoided giving the truthfull answeres. He contradicted himself a number of times and by his criteria, Clarke deserved a pick over Poulter. All in all dont feel as confident with this team as last time, especially now I feel the players wont respect Faldo as much for a pick decisions and general attitude that he is in charge and nobody else's opinion is relevant ( not even his vice captains or senior players)
On the other side however, I am enlightened by the fact that the U.S.A team has 6 rookies, yes 6! That has to have some kind of effect on the overall results? No Tiger Woods (that may be good for us or actually unite the U.S.A more, only time will tell)
Good luck boys, I'm sure we can do it again!
Message to Ian Poulter - Dont worry, the general opinion of everyone will change when you're on that first tee. Everyone will be behind you.
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Faldo knows how to win, he clearly feels having Poulter in the team will give him and Europe the best chance. He sees something in Poulter that no one else does at the moment and listening to him at the press conference, doesn't feel particularly inclined to justify it.
But Faldo is not stupid, he knows what the Ryder Cup is about. I'm sure he will consult his vice captain and the players but ultimately, the buck stops with him and he has to make the decision. I agree we possibly wont see the same kind of team spirit as before but I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Get everyone focused on winning their own games and the overall result takes care of itself. I'm still confident we will win but it will be closer than recent years.
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Like the the majority of the free thinking world I am disappointed about the exclusion of DC but not surprised by Captain Faldos selection. I think everyone worst fears about what he brings to the captaincy has been confirmed. Did DC ever have a chance? Was it very convenient that Poults put himself 'through the mill' about his decision not play at Glen Eagles where if he had finished behind DC Faldo may have had to make the correct decision. But Faldo is the man in charge and he will do it his way with no other input! The American must be laughing as Faldo has scored an own goal.
I'm sure he will gave a deep intrinctic motivation talk to the meaning of the Ryder Cup the European players especially those who are loyal firstly to our tour. At least one of the American based players played himself onto the team Garcia. The captain and the other two are 'buddies'
I'm glad that Padraig and Graeme played their way onto the team.
Win or lose at least Faldo will have a short reign and we will return to our quality level of captain's for Wales 2010.
Would you buy a second hand car of Faldo?
When we win it will be down to the players.
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When we win, it will be down to the players
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Of course it will be, the players are ones that have got to go out there and do the job. All Faldo can do is get the pairings right for the fourballs and foursomes but the buck stops with him. Lose and he gets slaughtered, win and everyone is happy. Either way, I doubt Faldo will be hiding.
What are odds that Poulter makes the winning put?
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When we win it will be down to the players
is a contrast to when we have won in the past it was down to the team.
The general feeling is with DC in the team it would be stronger on more fronts than just his play. He had to be a contenter to take over field marshall Montgomery's role with Westwood. Are the experience members of the ready for Faldos controlling style! Well at least Casey and Poults will be.
The warning signs are there even the past victorious captains are indicating that
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I have to say I am dumbfounded (and annoyed) by some of the anti-Faldo comments on this thread. This guy is the greatest ever English golfer, and I for one have always rooted for him when he played tournaments around the world. What exactly has he done to deserve the vitriol aimed at him now? Selected a player whoi is #22 in the world rankings - a heinous crime! Judgement should be reserved until the competition is over. Even if Europe lose we'll never know if Clarke would have been able to change things in our favour. If I was captain I would have chosen Clarke, but I respect the right of Faldo to chose Pulter instead (and so does Clarke incidentally). The real problem here is that only 2 picks are allowed - it strait-jackets the captain and creates the mood surrounding the picks this time.
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Let me kick off by saying that I am a great Monty fan and think he has been one of the best Ryder cup players who has ever lived. However no matter the relationship between him and Nick faldo Idoubt if any case could be made for his inclusion in the RC team, certainly based on his 2008 form.
Nor do I think that Faldo could have picked anyone other than Paul Casey. i like many others cannot understand why he went for Ian Poulter in preferrence to Darren Clarke, there seems to be no logical explanation for it other than it is based on his personal relationship with both of them. In truth if that is the case it will not be the first time in RC history and probably won`t be the last.
Monty will suffer no harm by being omitted and knows the work he needs to do if he wants to be part of future RC teams. Likewise Darren has to do the same.
Faldo has made his choice and like it or not, now we have all had our moan , we all need to get behind the team.
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Re Faldo's pick - please excuse me if someone else has said this over the last few days but it amazes me all this criticism of Faldo - particlarly coming from the likes of Torrance and Bernard Gallacher. All everyone is doing is causing frictions within within the European camp and aiding the Americans when we should all be pulling together. The time for criticism is after the result. My choice was not the same as Faldo's but how do we know Faldo is not right and Poulter is going to score 5 points or however many matches he plays in? Then Faldo will be a hero. Ex Ryder Cup captains should know better. So quit all this crticism - its the US we're trying to beat up!
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Faldo's actions in not picking Clarke is consistent with his attitude towards Irish golfers. For the Sevie Cup played in Ireland he didnt give any of our players, (in form at the time) an opportunity to play in what would have been a home event. The event went virtually unnoticed with Irish fans dissapointed with no home players to cheer on. Faldo actions as captain have been hugley unprofessional. What kind of message did he send out to the golfers on the European tour when he stated during a commentary that if Casey sinks a 20 foot putt he is on the team. He want this tournament to be the Faldo show.
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Although I agree that Darren Clarke was coming in to some form we must take in to consideration that the match is in the US and Poulter and Casey play the majority of their golf there, Also Nick Faldo has never let Europe down in the Ryder cup and as a commentator in the US gets to see the current players week in week out.
If you where picking a national team for any other sport Monty would not get a look in as he is just not producing and if he had been picked and played as he has been what would be the comments then, It is bad enough how he is playing but we all know about his temprament and the americans would play on that to rattle him.
More importantle how can it be fair that USA egt 4 picks and we get two. If we had 4 too this debate may not exist.
Have a nice day
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Although I agree that Darren Clarke was coming in to some form we must take in to consideration that the match is in the US and Poulter and Casey play the majority of their golf there, Also Nick Faldo has never let Europe down in the Ryder cup and as a commentator in the US gets to see the current players week in week out.
If you where picking a national team for any other sport Monty would not get a look in as he is just not producing and if he had been picked and played as he has been what would be the comments then, It is bad enough how he is playing but we all know about his temperement and the americans would play on that to rattle him.
More importantle how can it be fair that USA get 4 picks and we get two. If we had 4 too this debate may not exist.
Have a nice day
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