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Is Xiaobo the best choice for Nobel Peace Prize?

09:44 UK time, Friday, 10 December 2010

The Nobel committee prepares to name jailed Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo as this year's Peace Prize winner, despite continuing anger from Beijing. Is Xiaobo the best choice for this year's award?

Dissident Liu Xiaobo - jailed in north-east China for political offences - will not be in Norway to get his prize.

China has waged a wide-ranging campaign to discredit the award in recent weeks.

Is Liu Xiaobo the best choice for this year's Nobel Peace Prize? Who else do you think could have been awarded the prize and why? Is the controversy around the decision a reflection of China's growing global influence?

Thank you for your comments. This debate is now closed.

Comments

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  • Comment number 1.

    if it angers beijing then Xiaobo must be the right choice?

  • Comment number 2.

    I am at a loss to understand how a dissident, who naturally creates civil unrest, can win a peace prize. I think this award is meant to be a snub against China. If it could be awarded to Xiaobo, it could go to anyone.

  • Comment number 3.

    Looking at the list of previous winners I don't see why not.

    http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/

  • Comment number 4.

    Does it matter? Obama was not a suitable choice but he got it.

  • Comment number 5.

    China doesn't need to discredit the Nobel Peace Prize. The Nobel Comittee discredited it themselves by awarding the prize to Obama - a man who had done a grand total of nothing.

  • Comment number 6.

    Sure why not? Anything to wind China up is good.

  • Comment number 7.

    Is Xiaobo the best choice for Nobel Peace Prize?

    The Nobel committee prepares to name jailed Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo as this year's Peace Prize winner.
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    Am I living in a time-warp, didn't HYS have this debate already a few months ago, I couldn't have cared less then, and I still couldn't care less.


    Will their be another HYS on this topic when they actually give him the prize:

    Xiabo actually gets Nobel Peace Prize Your reaction:

  • Comment number 8.

    I'd never heard of Xiaobo until he won the award. I'm not saying that he's undeserving, but what do you think China will do to him now that the Nobel committee has called so much attention to his efforts?

  • Comment number 9.

    for peace what he the right choice? no
    for human rights? maybe

    the Nobel prize for peace should be for people who can sort out the NK SK mess and Israel hammas.
    You know people who create Peace in the world.
    people you say stop the madness stop the fighting.
    unfortunately there doesn't seem to be many people out there like this anymore.

  • Comment number 10.

    The prize is an international joke since they gave it Obama for something he might do and now some minor political disident.

    Seriously they need to actually identify someone worthy who has actually achieved something.

    I feel sorry for all those who won in the past that are now insulted by these recen winners.

  • Comment number 11.

    As a better way of making their point, they should change it into a Nobel War Prize for some of our wonderful statesmen.
    ... Blair, Bush, Putin, Ahmadinnerjacket, Netinyahu... a long list.

    They could award them a coffin and save a fortune on people that wouldn't show up at the ceremonies.


  • Comment number 12.

    If Xiaobo is executed and it results in peace then maybe if it doesn't result in peace then no. The current choice has as much validity as Mahmood Ah me dinner jacket being the winner but who knows maybe he will be next after the last two anything is possible

  • Comment number 13.

    6. At 12:17pm on 10 Dec 2010, Kuradi Vitukari wrote:
    Sure why not? Anything to wind China up is good.

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    Why exactly? What has China ever done to you? Please explain.

    Imagine a scenario where the Nobel Prize was awarded to say Gerry Adams. Some may have the perspective that he is fighting for freedom (it's down to your cultural background).

    Would the British government (of either colour) be happy with that? No, of course not.

    This is a means of having a go at China from the perspective that 'West is best' we are always right and if you disagree then you are wrong. How 'democratic' is that?

  • Comment number 14.

    Looks like a deliberate and strategically timed attempt to wind China up. This coincides with Wikileaks suggesting Chinas waning support for North Korea (implicitly justifying any US attacks), North Koreas connections to a nuclear project in Burma and China's refusal to condemn North Korea's shelling of an SK island the othe week.

    I think I hear the drums of war beating.

  • Comment number 15.

    Better him than Obama.

  • Comment number 16.

    Yes Liu Xiaobo is as good as any to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. Shame he is not free and that this can't be said against every government on this Earth as it is said against China!

    If it was not for the subversions of governments against governments there might not be a Nobel Peace Prize.

    Jailed Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo has earned the Nobel Peace Prize in this incident but too many others it was just pure propaganda!

    Sorry it will take too long to go through the list right now.. Maybe their is some enlightened individual that can provide a list.. I can't spend my life simply on this one subject right now. But thank you BBC for allowing me to comment here. In my town in the USA bordering a military base I don't get a opinion in their news medias or broadcast in my area, it is highly censored.

  • Comment number 17.

    Personally I would rather have given China itself the prize. It has become a superpower through hard work and investments, rather than by building military bases all over the world, illegal wars and all that stuff. Also one must admire its general reasonable and pragmatic approaches in foreign policy issues. May be all is not rosy, but one has to look at the big picture. Olaf, Oslo.

  • Comment number 18.

    As an ordinary Chinese, I support the position of Chinese government, and feel sorry for the wrong decision of this year's winner of NPP(Nobel Peace Prize) made by the committee.

    Firstly, I didn't have an ID of BBC to post a comment, and now, in order to express my sadness of the decision of NOBEL Committee, I choose to sign up.

    I just don't get it how the committee can declare the values they hold are the "global value"? And moreover, what bring them to think the definition of "true democracy" should follow their systems, and what make them have the confidence that their mode of democracy also apply to other countries, such as China?

    To me, this year's NPP nomination is another bizarre show backed up by the world powers.

    By K-TANG


  • Comment number 19.

    I'm just going to watch this thread for the posters called "Dave Smith" from "...err, London?" saying things like "This insult to China. China be great, this man be wrong".

    It's quite mature of the Chinese to not pretend to be from the West when they post their propaganda.

  • Comment number 20.

    By now you should have known that Chinese put their family name first. So Liu Xiaobo's family name is Liu, not Xiaobo. Please do not refer him simply as Xiaobo and spread your ignorance. Would you ask people to comment on Barack when you refer to the President of US?

  • Comment number 21.

    Given the childish, tantrum throwing response by the thugs in Beijing, absolutely this is the right choice.

  • Comment number 22.

    I think China are right to be concerned, they have a huge country undergoing massive change and they need to manage it carefully, not have 'wild' cards who although well intentioned are not helping the common good.

    But if China want to get snooty we must be reminded of how they are investing in corrupt African states and harming thousands in their pursuit of dirty capitalism

  • Comment number 23.

    I am confused. Is the Peace Prize awarded in recognition of a contribution towards world peace or is it for the promotion of human rights? Both are worthy causes, but they are quite different. Nelson Mandela, a freedom fighter, has often been cited as a deserving recipient of the Peace Prize. But he has the uncommon distinction of having melded the furtherance of human rights for black South Africans with the subsequent prevalence of peace between his black and white countrymen.

  • Comment number 24.

    The award of Nobel Peace Prize to a dissident makes a mockery of the Nobel Peace Prize. Why is this committee increasing tensions between big powers?
    This award is in the same category as the CIA manipulated charges against Julian Assange and shows the extent of US influence on Scandinavian countries.
    Sri Lanka which ended 35 years of war has become perhaps the most peaceful country in the World, without a single bomb explosion during the last 18 months. The number of mines cleared in Sri Lanka during this period is more than the mines cleared anywhere else in the World. Unfortunately, Sri Lanka is a non-aligned country and hence ineligible to the biased selection panel.
    China is not invading any country and killing innocent civilians using Drones. Hence, what is wrong with its growing global influence? Monopoly of Global Power is not in the best interests of the silent majority.

  • Comment number 25.

    Does it really matter?

    Most people, including me, had never heard of the chap, and I'll bet that 99.99% of the Chinese have never heard of him, either.

  • Comment number 26.

    To say the nobel peace prize has lost it's integrity and prestige over the last couple of years is an understatement. Perhaps wikileaks will eventually shed some light on the real influence behind their decisions of late.

  • Comment number 27.

    Democracies never wage war against each other. The most important precondition for democracy is free speech. So the Peace Prize was very accurately aimed this year - towards supporting the best known human rights activist in the biggest dictatorship on earth. In the long run, this forwards peace in Asia and elsewhere.

  • Comment number 28.

    The peace prize now has become a joke!

    What Obama had done for peace when he was rewarded for the prize?

    I'm an ordinary Chinese. I disagree with many things Chinese government does, but I was wondring what did Liu Xiao do for peace in China? I can't think of anything but only somethings are outlawed by the government.

    Why the peace prize is always given to people who are dissident?

    How the committee believes people who are dissident are fighting for peace? They may only bring unrest to the country.

    How do you know China suits "Democracy model"? Does the committee really want peace in China or want it to go back 100 years?

    I would not suprise if other so called "dissident" from China be nominated even they were support by some other countries to aganist Chinese government.

    Shame Nobel Peace Prize!




  • Comment number 29.

    I guess wikileaks organisation ( not Assange ) is the best candidate for the Nobel Price. The question is if the Nobel Committee has enough guts to show his independance.

  • Comment number 30.

    If you compare him to those of the last 10 years he ranks very highly

  • Comment number 31.

    Oh don't you Lefties love to rail on and on about Freedom Democracy and how rotten America is but how many nations were intimidated not to attend this ceremony by the Chinese government.
    You say nothing while freedom disappears in Russia and throw insults at your own Democraticaly elected leaders and our.
    The asssault on the Royal family yesterday was a disgusting display but oh don't you all just love China, Russia, Iran, Burma, Palestine and No. Korea and every other rotten place in the world that crushes freedom and the human spirit..

  • Comment number 32.

    The point is not IF he is the right person, there are many examples of "Bad" Prizewinners, the question you are asking is "is it ok to upset the Chinese Government. Answer Plain and simple YES. Comments on this site about dissidents naturally causing unrest show that there are enough people out there who don't want to rock the boat ( and who are somehow allowed to interact with our "unfair" and Socially devisive Western Media). If China was actively working to make the World a fair and just place for all its citizens, I for one might take more notice of their angry rhetoric, but they aren't.

  • Comment number 33.

    You keep hearing this nonsense about liberty, democracy and freedom of speech being "Western" values. They may happen to be found more often in Western nations than say China but the same applies for freedom from tuberculosis, malaria, AIDS and other deadly infectious diseases. Are vaccines and treatments for these diseases therefore also not "Western"? Therefore is it not desirable in the name of "cultural harmony" to stick to traditional Chinese or African medicine to manage these diseases?

    The point is that anyone who sincerely believes that humans anywhere do not want or deserve liberty is either seriously deluded or dangerously ignorant. It is only one step away from saying that such humans also do not want life. You take a man's freedom away, you take away his life. China is better off today that say 50 years ago because her citizens have economic freedom. But not political freedom. That must follow eventually, the only question is how - by violent revolution or through a peaceful transition. Decent humans must hope for the latter.

    As for the "Confuciusfred" at post No.2 wondering how a person causing civil unrest could get a Peace prize, here are some other people who also caused unrest and openly said so - Christ, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela. You do not and cannot fight evil by co-operating with it.

    The greatest evils in history - imperialism, slavery, fascism, socialism, communism -have been committed and defended in the name of "cultural harmony", "greater good of society", "stability of society" and other such nonsense as a cover to sacrifice the rights of man at the altar of state and society. Remember that society was created as a construct to serve men, not men to be sacrificed for society.


  • Comment number 34.

    Is Xiaobo the best choice for Nobel Peace Prize?
    No, he was a political choice. The chosing of this gentle man was meant to create - not peace - but disharmony, enmity between The United States of America and China.
    In my opinion, Liu Xiaobo would have done more to promote peace and undermine the cause of his nomination by declining to participate in this American game of "goad the Chinese".
    The Nobel Institute had a record 237 candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize.
    My preferences:
    1. Sima Samar - a Afghan human rights advocate. Theme: "women, peace and security". Samar leads the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC). She has served as UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in Sudan from 2005 to 2009. Samar is a medical doctor by training and has been engaged in humanitarian welfare work. She established "Shuhada", an organization that focuses on health care particularly to female Afghans. 2008, Samar was nominated for the post of United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights.
    2. The Special Court for Sierra Leone (SCSL). Theme: "setting up conflict-specific tribunals in the aftermath of armed conflict, transitional justice. The SCSL has been known for its effect on peace.
    3. The Democratic Voice of Burma (DVB), set up in 1992. Broadcast on shortwave radio from stations outside the Burma. From 2005, it ran regular satellite TV programs. The channel is based in exile (Oslo, Norway), but its news from Burma is based on a large network of clandestine reporters inside the country. The risks are considerable. Several reporters have been detained, especially during the demonstrations, 2007.
    Of the three, the last would be my strongest preference.

  • Comment number 35.

    Those countries who followed Communist China's stance obviously are hiding human rights issues themselves which is no surprise.

  • Comment number 36.

    Unfortunately, in recent years, the peace prize has lost its true meaning. The selection of Obama - although I believe he is a good man - was totally inapropriate as he represented 'hope' not accomplishment.
    The Nobel committee now looks so foolish that it leaves the door open to discredit any future choices - such as Xiaobo.
    The prize should surely be reserved for only those who consistently strive to bring warring factions together, or those who seek change to a system through peaceful protest. People like Ghandi who sought peaceful change from British rule, Nelson Mandela who sought the removal of appartied through peaceful means, - and very possibly Xiaobo provided he seeks change in China through non violent protest

  • Comment number 37.

    18. At 1:02pm on 10 Dec 2010, AKT wrote:
    As an ordinary Chinese, I support the position of Chinese government, and feel sorry for the wrong decision of this year's winner of NPP(Nobel Peace Prize) made by the committee.

    Firstly, I didn't have an ID of BBC to post a comment, and now, in order to express my sadness of the decision of NOBEL Committee, I choose to sign up.

    I just don't get it how the committee can declare the values they hold are the "global value"? And moreover, what bring them to think the definition of "true democracy" should follow their systems, and what make them have the confidence that their mode of democracy also apply to other countries, such as China?

    To me, this year's NPP nomination is another bizarre show backed up by the world powers.

    By K-TANG


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    Your comment is odd.

    Perhaps you are a chinese government official that is being paid to post on this board.

    If you were in China you wouldn't be able to make this comment as the chinese government is blocking the BBC and other news sites covering this story.

    Freedom of speech is something that all humans have a right to but the chinese government deny this right to it's people.

    It's clear that you, in supporting the chinese governments position, do not believe in basic human rights. You have the right to your opinion, even though the vast majority of the population of the World would disagree with you.

    You freedom to express your opinion is something that government you support try their hardest to deny. How ironic.





  • Comment number 38.

    21. At 1:14pm on 10 Dec 2010, Rather_Be_Cycling wrote:
    Given the childish, tantrum throwing response by the thugs in Beijing, absolutely this is the right choice.
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    Again, please explain the thugs part.

  • Comment number 39.

    To quote the Nobel website:

    "the Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded for work in a wide range of fields including advocacy of human rights, mediation of international conflicts, and arms control."

    Liu Xiaobo would seem to be a deserving recipient.



  • Comment number 40.

    Yes of course ! Go Norway ! China should not put pressure anybody but free the man !

  • Comment number 41.

    25. At 1:43pm on 10 Dec 2010, milvusvestal wrote:
    Does it really matter?

    Most people, including me, had never heard of the chap, and I'll bet that 99.99% of the Chinese have never heard of him, either.

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    The reason being that the government in China control all media and so do not let the population know about who he is and what he stands for.


    And yes, it does matter.

  • Comment number 42.

    Yes he is a good choice. His calls for peaceful protests to achieve basic human rights and political voice for the general chinese people, not just the communist party elite, deserves a voice. When calling for democracy (in whatever form) is seen as subversive by the ruling powers, then you know something is wrong. In any country.

    It saddens me to see that the overwhelming majority of China are duped into believing that the Chinese elite has only the best interests for them. No, they only have the best interests for the elite.

    Communist or socialist values are being kept for the proletariat (the people) while the couple of million members of the elite (read the Chinese communist party cadres) fill their pockets with riches gained over the backs of the Chinese people.

    Confucius would be proud of Liu Xiaobo!

  • Comment number 43.

    Chinese government has whole of chinas population under its thumbs and will surely one day try to exert the same power on rest of the world,,

    Right now they dont have the technology to take on the west,,,

    we have to first understand Chinas silence to understand its words,,,,

    Thirdly they prefer to be friendly with countries with dictators and is helping them against democratic counties,,,

    Awarding a Nobel prize to Liu Xiaobo is the minimum the world could do for ordinary Chinese and world in large,,,,,,also boycott transfer of technology,,,,,

  • Comment number 44.

    @ 24. At 1:37pm on 10 Dec 2010, DeMel wrote:

    Sri Lanka which ended 35 years of war has become perhaps the most peaceful country in the World, without a single bomb explosion during the last 18 months. The number of mines cleared in Sri Lanka during this period is more than the mines cleared anywhere else in the World. Unfortunately, Sri Lanka is a non-aligned country and hence ineligible to the biased selection panel.
    ---
    You must be joking: Sri Lanka, the same country that put hundreds of thousands of its people in concentration camps as punishment for the Tamil rebellion? Wake up please.

  • Comment number 45.

    28. At 1:49pm on 10 Dec 2010, langman wrote:
    The peace prize now has become a joke!

    What Obama had done for peace when he was rewarded for the prize?

    I'm an ordinary Chinese. I disagree with many things Chinese government does, but I was wondring what did Liu Xiao do for peace in China? I can't think of anything but only somethings are outlawed by the government.

    Why the peace prize is always given to people who are dissident?

    How the committee believes people who are dissident are fighting for peace? They may only bring unrest to the country.

    How do you know China suits "Democracy model"? Does the committee really want peace in China or want it to go back 100 years?

    I would not suprise if other so called "dissident" from China be nominated even they were support by some other countries to aganist Chinese government.

    Shame Nobel Peace Prize!


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    It's given to dissidents as these are the people who actively challenge the governments that do wrong in this World.

    China has a terrible human rights record and people who stand up and challenge this should be commended for their actions.

  • Comment number 46.

    18. At 1:02pm on 10 Dec 2010, AKT wrote:

    28. At 1:49pm on 10 Dec 2010, langman wrote:

    Both the first posts made by these people and both denoucing the award, I wonder if they are the same person in some nice government office in Beijing?

  • Comment number 47.

    #9 scotty1694 "for peace what he the right choice? no
    for human rights? maybe"

    I agree, wrong title. But,
    People, this is a man who the Chinese government has labeled a criminal for saying no. He wants what free countries around the world takes for granted. He wants his tyrannous government to change their ways. He has not asked to overthrow the officials, but he wants more. The ruling government is in great fear of loosing their position and to have happen to them what they did to their predecessors. This isn't over; it will happen again and again.

  • Comment number 48.

    What really matters here is whether western democracy equals to the human rights?

    The chairman of the Nobel prize committee says he knows Mr Liu well but never met him in person, I am not too sure how the chairman knows Mr Liu so well without meeting him, if this is the case, I could say I know Mr Liu well too, because I read most of Mr Liu's paper work. The question is: Is Mr Liu a great fighter of human rights? the answer of this question depends on what you think the human rights are, if you think human rights = western democracy then yes Mr Liu a great fighter he is.

    Personally, I believe the western democracy is A type of human rights, but the human rights far more than that. And I agree that Mr Liu is a great fighter but a great fighter for the western democracy. I do agree that china should be more democratic but should be in a style that suits the proud chinese people.

    Westerners treat Mr Liu as a hero, may I ask how many of you know that Mr Liu receives hundreds of thousands of RMB every year from the NED, which is funded by the US government even when Mr Liu is in jail, this makes me at least doubt Mr Liu's real motvation.

    I agree that Mr Liu should be freed, no one should be jailed for what he says or writes, however, this does not change the fact that the Nobel peace prize has been politicalized. This year's prize is more about communism vs western democracy rather than dictatorship vs human rights.

  • Comment number 49.

    China is by all account a global power. With such a vast land mass, huge population and comprising a wide variety of culturally and religiously different people, one may wonder, how they have managed to glue the nation together and has made tremendous progress within the last three decades or so.

    They managed to be what they're today by their sheer discipline and hardworking of its people, coherent central planning, prioritizing the importance of education and skills of its population and instill the concept of nation before self. All these factors are achieved only because of its no nonsense socialism based political system.

    I am not biased against Mr Liu Xiaobo for his views and convictions with regard to freedom of speech, human rights or any other convictions he may hold dear. For a nation to progress, governments, such as China cant afford to be soft and pleasing to dissidents like Mr Liu Xiaobo. It is true, freedom in any form is suppressed but the prize for it is, stability, progress and a good standard of living.

    Its better to have a full bowl of rice with little freedom rather than an empty bowl with full freedom. For the Chinese Government, Mr Liu Xiaobo, is a wrecker of the peaceful social and political order which has enabled China to be what it is today. Can we blame the Chinese Government for resenting the awarding the Noble Peace Price to Mr Liu Xiaobo?

  • Comment number 50.

    Since China is a closed & conservative country it is very difficult to know about Mr.Liu Xiaobo's personality. But Chinese have popularized him at least outside china, through its actions after the announcement of the award to him...

  • Comment number 51.

    Yes, Liu Xiaobo is the right choice and well ahead of Obama and all other in the recent years. Assange, who is not responsible for keeping secure the USA classified documents, should be the next.

  • Comment number 52.

    Although I am not from China, I think this award is merely aimed at imposing the so-called western democratic values into a complex country like China. It is certainly good to see a country moves toward greater democratic reforms but it is best that we let the country to move on its own pace and not to dictate it, which could be counter-productive. This award might highlight some of the weaknesses of China, but it shouldn't be used as a way to create furor like how some western media portray the situation (well, it is agenda-setting after all).

  • Comment number 53.

    It is one thing for China to refuse to attend the ceremony but it is quite another for them to put pressure on other countries not to attend. It is also hugely significant that so many countries have kowtowed to China's influence. The economic bulldozer that China is, slowly and quietly spreads its awesome power around the world and represents a far greater threat to the West than the bogeymen created by the USA/UK coalition. It is vital to the interests of the world that democracy takes hold in China.

  • Comment number 54.

    Who's next ?

    Easy Peasy

    First; identify a country who's government we disapprove of.

    Second; identify anyone they have incarcerated who has western views.

    Third; fill out their nomination form.

    Simples.

  • Comment number 55.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 56.

    37. At 2:22pm on 10 Dec 2010, Fitz13 wrote
    Your comment is odd.

    Perhaps you are a chinese government official that is being paid to post on this board.

    If you were in China you wouldn't be able to make this comment as the chinese government is blocking the BBC and other news sites covering this story.

    Freedom of speech is something that all humans have a right to but the chinese government deny this right to it's people.

    It's clear that you, in supporting the chinese governments position, do not believe in basic human rights. You have the right to your opinion, even though the vast majority of the population of the World would disagree with you.

    You freedom to express your opinion is something that government you support try their hardest to deny. How ironic.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    This is just show your ignorance I am afraid.
    Do you know that here's plenty chinese stuents in UK and if it was in China, a lot of nettizens use unblock technique to view BBC, trust me, Chinese people are much wiser and more open minded compared to your ignorance.

  • Comment number 57.

    49. At 2:57pm on 10 Dec 2010, seasand123 wrote:
    China is by all account a global power. With such a vast land mass, huge population and comprising a wide variety of culturally and religiously different people, one may wonder, how they have managed to glue the nation together and has made tremendous progress within the last three decades or so.

    They managed to be what they're today by their sheer discipline and hardworking of its people, coherent central planning, prioritizing the importance of education and skills of its population and instill the concept of nation before self. All these factors are achieved only because of its no nonsense socialism based political system.

    I am not biased against Mr Liu Xiaobo for his views and convictions with regard to freedom of speech, human rights or any other convictions he may hold dear. For a nation to progress, governments, such as China cant afford to be soft and pleasing to dissidents like Mr Liu Xiaobo. It is true, freedom in any form is suppressed but the prize for it is, stability, progress and a good standard of living.

    Its better to have a full bowl of rice with little freedom rather than an empty bowl with full freedom. For the Chinese Government, Mr Liu Xiaobo, is a wrecker of the peaceful social and political order which has enabled China to be what it is today. Can we blame the Chinese Government for resenting the awarding the Noble Peace Price to Mr Liu Xiaobo?


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    Would you say Stalin or Hitler did a lot of good for their country then?

    Amazing what you can achieve if you can lock up and kill anyone who disagrees with you.

    Perhaps we should have a similar government here where as long as you bow your head and agree with the government you can have a full bowl of rice. If you don't agree though you'll be made to disappear.

    At least some people will have a full bowl of rice though.

  • Comment number 58.

    46. At 2:45pm on 10 Dec 2010, Fitz13 wrote:
    18. At 1:02pm on 10 Dec 2010, AKT wrote:

    28. At 1:49pm on 10 Dec 2010, langman wrote:

    Both the first posts made by these people and both denoucing the award, I wonder if they are the same person in some nice government office in Beijing?

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    Well if they were the same person they must be smarter than you to use different ids. How is white house by the way?

  • Comment number 59.

    do you have to be an enemy within your own country to get a nobel peace prize ?Or maybe some one elses country? Or maybe the person,worthy of such an award has been shot dead while pleading for peace in a war torn region.The world is full of nobel peace prize loosers,not noticed of,shoved aside by political hooliganism, in haste, to cover up the memories left behind.The trade in prizes for peace usually is collected on behalf of some one after an invasion of some kind ,a battle,or some political change in the way a country has behaved towards its own people,considered to be downright hostile,cruel unchristian like and certainly undeserving.I just wonder which of the britsh students will qualify for a nobel peace prize after some of the beatings they have gained for asking for too much,not forgetting Oliver,when he asked for too much, he got a beating,my! how things have not changed in the way we brits treat our worthy students,one thing is certain you have got to be a student of some sorts before you can qualify for a nobel peace prize, now where in heavens name is that standard bearer for peace?

  • Comment number 60.

    56. At 3:33pm on 10 Dec 2010, Shinnosuke wrote:
    37. At 2:22pm on 10 Dec 2010, Fitz13 wrote
    Your comment is odd.

    Perhaps you are a chinese government official that is being paid to post on this board.

    If you were in China you wouldn't be able to make this comment as the chinese government is blocking the BBC and other news sites covering this story.

    Freedom of speech is something that all humans have a right to but the chinese government deny this right to it's people.

    It's clear that you, in supporting the chinese governments position, do not believe in basic human rights. You have the right to your opinion, even though the vast majority of the population of the World would disagree with you.

    You freedom to express your opinion is something that government you support try their hardest to deny. How ironic.
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    This is just show your ignorance I am afraid.
    Do you know that here's plenty chinese stuents in UK and if it was in China, a lot of nettizens use unblock technique to view BBC, trust me, Chinese people are much wiser and more open minded compared to your ignorance.

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    I think that illustrates my point; I know that many chinese have ways of working around the government blocking of the internet, these chinese must be dissidents like Lui Xiaobo.

    My point was that the Chinese Government doesn't allow their people to express their views that paints them in a bad light. If you don't think this is true then you are the one who is ignorent, not me.

    I notice you've never posted anything on the BBC HYS before either, you're not sat in a Beijing office too are you?

  • Comment number 61.

    58. At 3:46pm on 10 Dec 2010, Shinnosuke wrote:
    46. At 2:45pm on 10 Dec 2010, Fitz13 wrote:
    18. At 1:02pm on 10 Dec 2010, AKT wrote:

    28. At 1:49pm on 10 Dec 2010, langman wrote:

    Both the first posts made by these people and both denoucing the award, I wonder if they are the same person in some nice government office in Beijing?

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    Well if they were the same person they must be smarter than you to use different ids. How is white house by the way?

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    I don't have to use a different ID as I'm one person and have made no claim to be any different. I've also be posting on these HYS boards for years on many different topics.

    Unlike you I see. I guess that means you're not so smart by your own logic then.

    I wouldn't know about the White House as I've never been to Washington DC, Oxfordshire is quite nice at the moment though, a little cold, but warmer than last week.

  • Comment number 62.

    would you say that overpopulism is mans'meanest enemy,like china's great thrust of people on the modern world ,giving lesser populated nations, a new thinking tabloid on 'how do the Chinese People do it ?How on earth can they be so prim and proper,be very smart and look so well polished,be very polite,nothing insulting or rowdy about them and so willing to help others perhaps the nobel peace prize is going to the right person.

  • Comment number 63.

    #56 Sshinnosuke "This is just show your ignorance I am afraid.
    Do you know that here's plenty chinese stuents in UK and if it was in China, a lot of nettizens use unblock technique to view BBC, trust me, Chinese people are much wiser and more open minded compared to your ignorance."

    You just confirmed what #37 Fitz13 said: China blocks its web sites.
    Anyway, I'm glad to see that your able to unblock them

  • Comment number 64.

    the first nobel and de dum de de dee and so on in the comfort our own home we can sing to our hearts content and believe that what is unfolding before our eyes is for the good of every one,no loud knocks on the door,no peeping behind the curtains and no kids hanging on to coppers.

  • Comment number 65.

    No.
    Regardless of what the West thinks of him, the Government of his country doesn´t like his activities - sounds like Assange, doesn´t it?

    How would the USA react if Assange were awarded a Nobel Peace Prize?

  • Comment number 66.

    Mind you, last year it was Obama, wasn´t it?
    Just shows what appalling decisions the Nobel Committee makes.

  • Comment number 67.

    will he recieve the award in lui of his absence?

  • Comment number 68.

    What is inextricably attached to the word peace is politics. So the prize is politically motivated and could baised.

  • Comment number 69.

    "Is Xiaobo the best choice for Nobel Peace Prize"? is the HYS question.

    Honestly? I have absolutely no idea. All I know about this individual is that he is in jail in China. He was involved in student demonstrations decades ago, and encouraged students placing themselves in immediate danger from the military, to leave and save themselves from the threat of potential death sanctioned by the then, leaders of the Chinese State?

    What I do remember were the iconic news pictures of a young Chinese man standing in front of a tank during student demonstrations.

    The emotion and bravery were evident - a Chinese citizen standing in front of a tank driven by another Chinese citizen - a breath-taking ballet representing might and right is only by consent of the people.

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  • Comment number 72.

    Hey! Nobel. Come here.

    Meet the new boss.

    If you try the same stunt again in future, you will not have any more guests for your birthday parties.

    Understand?

    What a good way to make yourself irrelevant.

  • Comment number 73.

    63. At 4:52pm on 10 Dec 2010, lochraven wrote:

    #56 Sshinnosuke "This is just show your ignorance I am afraid.
    Do you know that here's plenty chinese stuents in UK and if it was in China, a lot of nettizens use unblock technique to view BBC, trust me, Chinese people are much wiser and more open minded compared to your ignorance."

    You just confirmed what #37 Fitz13 said: China blocks its web sites.
    Anyway, I'm glad to see that your able to unblock them

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    At least China is open about it.

    Poor Julian Assange taught he had freedom of speech, until one day a ton of bricks fell on him.

  • Comment number 74.

    Of course he isn't

  • Comment number 75.

    60. At 4:13pm on 10 Dec 2010, Fitz13 wrote:

    My point was that the Chinese Government doesn't allow their people to express their views that paints them in a bad light. If you don't think this is true then you are the one who is ignorent, not me.
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    And the US does? WikiLeaks?

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    Perhaps we should have a similar government here where as long as you bow your head and agree with the government you can have a full bowl of rice. If you don't agree though you'll be made to disappear.
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    If you think you are free, you need to think again.
    We are all slaves to the system. You have a full belly because you bow to your government by following orders. Tuition fees increase 3 times and you nod your head, "okay". "Four legs good, two legs better" is it?

    Sheer hypocrisy.

  • Comment number 76.

    being a chinese,n being honest,gotta admit 2 some extent nobel prize is politicised...however i do appreciate the effort from western countries n the pressure on china about democracy...n we all know...democracy is not that simple...

  • Comment number 77.

    Is he the best choice? No. Does he support human rights? Yes. Does he promote peace? No. Is the Nobel Committee right to say 'Liu Xiaobo must be freed'? No. Who are you to demand anything? This is purely political, much like Obama's award last year for intention rather than action. China has its own government and sovereignty, and it's wrong for the Nobel committee, or any other group or country, to demand anything it doesn't like. Liu Xiaobo's a citizen of China, and is subject to that nation's laws and regulations.

    It's not the right choice for the Nobel committee, nor is it acceptable for them to be so political motivated. China isn't perfect, far from it. There are a lot of hidden social problems, but the process to move to a more democratic form of government is exactly that - a process. It takes time. You can't simply transplant your Western government, rules, or viewpoints. China has to find its own way. It might be longer than some other countries, but it has to happened by their timetable, not yours. There are times when a more republic style of government is more favorable, but there are also times when a centralized one-party government can benefit its citizens much more. The Nobel Committee forgot that, judging from their statements and choices.

  • Comment number 78.

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  • Comment number 79.

    It is not the bowl of rice that brings pleasure but the free ranging conversation one can have with others while eating it. That is a pleasure that everyone in the world should be able to enjoy, including every single Chinese citizen.

  • Comment number 80.

    "Liu Xiaobo would have done more to promote peace and undermine the cause of his nomination by declining to participate in this American game of "goad the Chinese".

    You are aware that the Nobel Committee is a Norwegian organization and that there are no American committee members so I fail to see how this is some kind of American game.....Oh, never mind. Why bother?

  • Comment number 81.

    Western human rights and free speech? What a load!

    We are seeing the public lynching of Julian Assange in real time. And we are debating if the Nobel Peace Prize should go to someone we've never heard before, considered a criminal in his country.

    Bring back the WikiLeaks debate, BBC. Do yourself some justice.

  • Comment number 82.

    79. At 7:22pm on 10 Dec 2010, meddleman wrote:

    It is not the bowl of rice that brings pleasure but the free ranging conversation one can have with others while eating it. That is a pleasure that everyone in the world should be able to enjoy, including every single Chinese citizen.
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    But the American wants to have the pleasure of polishing his gun while eating his rice and having free ranging conversation at the same time. What about the Dutch who wants to have some recreational drugs after his meal?
    Should the American and Dutch impose his freedom on you? Are you less free?
    It all a matter of degree, isn't it? If you do things within the laws of your country, you're okay.

    We live with our siblings under the same roof for a significant period in all our lives. Can we make them change habits that we feel undesirable? We can't.
    Why then do people think that they can change the culture of a billion people, living half the world way, overnight. By just giving them a diploma?

  • Comment number 83.

    If taking part in a riot can win you a Nobel Peace Prize, there will be many UK students in next year's shortlist.

    All they need to do is to write some paper after they've been released.

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    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

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    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

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    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 87.

    84. At 8:08pm on 10 Dec 2010, the-moog wrote:

    38. At 2:23pm on 10 Dec 2010, proudtobeacumbrian wrote:

    21. At 1:14pm on 10 Dec 2010, Rather_Be_Cycling wrote:
    Given the childish, tantrum throwing response by the thugs in Beijing, absolutely this is the right choice.
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    Again, please explain the thugs part.

    __________________________

    You know, thugs, they're keen on substituting reason with violence whenever the whim takes them!

    Here's a funny video, a chinese guard shoots dead a Tibetan refugee.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veQIdaR0J70

    Do you understand what 'thug' means yet?
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    Or the "thugs" that went on a rampage just because their tuition increased ONLY three fold.

    Or are the real "thugs" the ones who imposed the increase?

    Don't know,. Too many "thugs" around nowadays.

  • Comment number 88.

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  • Comment number 89.

    the chinese people do not have to paint a bad picture of the way the chinese government operates, the rest of the world, is and has been in deep thought on how the chinese people have succeeded, while the west is besotted with western credit policies,and hemmed in by debt,the chinese have risen above the plan,ordered by the west to give in to superior house management,in the home,the factory and government discipline.

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  • Comment number 92.

    We found out the hard way that our news media telling Sept Blatter would upset him. So we cannot be surprised when the Nobel Committee tell the Chinese government they are being naughty might upset them too!

    The Chinese government is right in one thing though respect is important to a successful two way relationship (and can heal the wounds afterwards). So when you tell the Chinese they are wrong regarding Liu Xiaobo's human rights be gentle!

  • Comment number 93.

    I haven't seen this many Chinese posters in all the time I've been reading the BBC. I wonder why now?? I do know, for a fact, that you don't speak for all of China. There are many who want change, but under your currant system they are afraid to speak out, and with good reason. Consequently, they remain hidden.
    Also, nobody wants to take anything away from China. You have made great strides, but at a big cost. Now, the Chinese people have never had it so good. But we can judge a country by the way it treats its people because how you treat your people will reflect on how you will treat the rest of the world, and right now China is a scary place in the minds of many.

  • Comment number 94.

    "
    Dissident Liu Xiaobo - jailed in north-east China for political offences - will not be in Norway to get his prize.
    "

    Yet we still have dealings with this vile dictatorship.

  • Comment number 95.

    This is yet another of the stupid questions posed on this pretend serious site...the prize is not voted for by the people it is presented by a committee on rules we know nothing about so I go with what they choose..China does not go with that for what I would say are obvious reasons

  • Comment number 96.

    Xiaobo is a good choice, another good choice would have been Julian Assange. When is the BBC going to get serious and open a debate on WikiLeaks?

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  • Comment number 99.

    Largely a non-event except for those directly involved. China Daily, the English language mouthpiece of the Chinese Government front page rebuttal around "incorrect" view and laregly rebuttal for International Herald & Tribune.
    Minutes of blacked out satellite channels when news of the award are mentioned on CNN, BBC, Bloomberg - and of course no access to bbc news website [unless you are going through vpn or proxy].
    The mere fact that there are blacked out minutes in the foreign news services provokes a the question "why, and who is he?".
    No reporting at all in local language media except for the joke around the Confucious prize - remember he who was almost expunged from memory during the upheaval of the cultural revolution.

  • Comment number 100.

    39. At 2:29pm on 10 Dec 2010, Fitz13 wrote:
    To quote the Nobel website:

    "the Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded for work in a wide range of fields including advocacy of human rights, mediation of international conflicts, and arms control."

    Liu Xiaobo would seem to be a deserving recipient.
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    ..............................................
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    Agreed, but how does that explain it being previously awarded to Al Gore and Yasser Arafat.

 

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