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What impact will Tea Party wins have?

11:56 UK time, Wednesday, 15 September 2010

The conservative Tea Party movement has won several victories over mainstream Republicans in primary contests ahead of November's US mid-term elections. What does this mean for the Republican Party?

Republicans are hoping to benefit from anger over the US economy to win both houses of the US Congress in November.

The grassroots Tea Party movement - which favours tax and spending cuts - emerged as a force in American politics only last year. Candidates backed by the movement have won Republican senate nominations in Delaware, Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Kentucky and Alaska.

But observers say it has had a powerful effect on the Republican Party's choice of candidates for November and is seriously challenging the party's establishment.

Do you support the Tea Party movement? Will Tea Party-backed candidates win Senate seats in November? How will the movement shape mid-term elections? How should the Republican Party react to the movement's successes?

Thank you for your comments. This debate is now closed.

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  • Comment number 1.

    'What impact will Tea Party wins have?'
    Er...chimpanzees running riot in the senate?

  • Comment number 2.

    Sorry, I seem to have strayed onto the WHYS board.

  • Comment number 3.

    "What impact will Tea Party wins have?"

    create more divisions amongst the American people, strengthen the hand of the fascists, leave the US of A more isolated (politically and culturally) than ever before.

  • Comment number 4.

    Who's the leader of the Tea Party, the Mad Hatter perhaps?

  • Comment number 5.

    The lunatics are poised to take over the asylum.

    Read the right wing blogs and find out how much they hate Obama. They hate him for various reasons but mainly because he's not a Republican.

    It's been reported that almost 1 in 5 americans believe he is a muslim, mainly because his middle name is Hussain. A prolonged campaign by rabid right-wing media against him has created this.

    But what about this tea party?

    In a nation of ovewr 300 million they could only muster 600 for their annual convention.

    Like the condems in the UK it is the absence of the oppostion that is affecting the way the media reports. In the USA the Republicans were thrown out following Obama's repeated call for 'change'. The mainstream Republicans withdrew to lick their wounds and wait until Obama had his second term before mounting a comeback. This left a political vacuum into which stepped the political air-head brigade led by Sarah Palin.

    Will they make any difference in the November mid-term elections? Maybe, but in the long term proberbly not. Remember that Bill Clinton also had a right wing rebelion against him led by that other political air-head Newt Gingrich. Look what happpened there, they threatend to stop 'Big Government' so Clinton made them do just that with the result that they broke and lost all credibility.

    The tea-party is the US equivalent of a party of sun/daily wail readers. Only without the brains. It doesn't matter if when you talk to supporters you get a standing ovation, it is what you can do to get the support of the many people who do not think like you do.

    So, promted by the right-wing media, rousing speeches and election results over, if they win any power in November it won't be long before for them the party will sonn be well a truely over.



  • Comment number 6.

    If it shakes the complacency of the other two main political parties in the US then good luck to them. We could have done with a real alternative over here a few months ago.

  • Comment number 7.

    First the liberal establishment, headed by the "elite media" (New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC etc) ignored the Tea Party. Then they ridiculed it with profane "humour". Then they tried to marginalise it with the racial card. And those darned American taxpayers, those "little people" who work, save and invest and have seen their contributions to the country ignored in favour of special interests, whose cherishing of the traditional American values have been ridiculed and whose economic future has been mortaged by out of control public spending just won't go away. What Nixon called the great silent majority is not quite so silent anymore. And good luck to them. Many the "liberals" won't be laughing at them anymore.

  • Comment number 8.

    Perhaps it's a sign of things to come. After seeing Obama in power for close to two years all I can say is more power to them.

  • Comment number 9.

    The BBC needs to do better research. the Tea Party is libertarian not conservative and their focus is very narrow: less goverment lower taxes.

    Is HYS ever going to do a thread of George Soros backed canidates?

  • Comment number 10.

    JohnH wrote

    " The tea-party is the US equivalent of a party of sun/daily wail readers. Only without the brains.

    So, promted by the right-wing media, rousing speeches and election results over, if they win any power in November it won't be long before for them the party will sonn be well a truely over."

    Typical. Resort to insults and name calling. This has been the ideal bankrupt reply to this movement all along. And you might want to proof read your posts, John... that last paragraph wouldn't pass muster even at the Sun or Daily Mail, trust me.

  • Comment number 11.

    Fair play to them I say. Give people the message they want and you will go far. Those on the left are very jealous I expect.

  • Comment number 12.

    Republicans are hoping to benefit from anger over the US economy to win both houses of the US Congress in November.

    and the damage done to the economy was imparted by which US political party?

    there is a place in Maine called Irony Island. that is all.

  • Comment number 13.

    6. At 12:39pm on 15 Sep 2010, ticktickticktickboom wrote:

    If it shakes the complacency of the other two main political parties in the US then good luck to them. We could have done with a real alternative over here a few months ago.

    '''
    Being as this lot are headed by Palin and co, who are GOP old school, which 'third way' are you inventing here?

  • Comment number 14.

    The tea party is one of the most forced movements in history. The only theme it has is anti-government. Whatever the Democrats' policy is, they will oppose it. I swear, if Obama stopped all the spending and cut taxes they would immediately change there message to "but the country is broken, people need help!". The Republican supporters are idiots for not realising this.

  • Comment number 15.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 16.

    While the "Tea Party" has some interesting ideas on reducing spending, the problem is that they lack a eloquent, detailed-oriented leader to bring them into the limelight. Sarah Palin, like Barack Obama, on the surface looks like a young, vibrant symbol of the "New Republicans". However, unlike Obama, she does not have the strong backing of her party, nor does she exude a sense of panache you'd expect from a strong symbol of the party. Furthermore, like Obama, her past experience was too short to show that she had influence to steer policy in a certain direction. If the "Tea Party" movement can't find an eloquent, experienced, intelligent leader to guide them, we will see them steep into nothingness.

  • Comment number 17.

    The biggest impact will be the regularity with which we can use the term Tea-baggers in polite conversation while trying desperately to hide our juvenile sniggering...

  • Comment number 18.

    I feel so sorry for the U.S right now. It's like watching your best friend mixing with the wrong crowd..

  • Comment number 19.

    5. At 12:37pm on 15 Sep 2010, JohnH wrote:
    The lunatics are poised to take over the asylum.

    Read the right wing blogs and find out how much they hate Obama. They hate him for various reasons but mainly because he's not a Republican.

    It's been reported that almost 1 in 5 americans believe he is a muslim, mainly because his middle name is Hussain. A prolonged campaign by rabid right-wing media against him has created this.

    But what about this tea party?

    In a nation of ovewr 300 million they could only muster 600 for their annual convention.

    Like the condems in the UK it is the absence of the oppostion that is affecting the way the media reports. In the USA the Republicans were thrown out following Obama's repeated call for 'change'. The mainstream Republicans withdrew to lick their wounds and wait until Obama had his second term before mounting a comeback. This left a political vacuum into which stepped the political air-head brigade led by Sarah Palin.

    Will they make any difference in the November mid-term elections? Maybe, but in the long term proberbly not. Remember that Bill Clinton also had a right wing rebelion against him led by that other political air-head Newt Gingrich. Look what happpened there, they threatend to stop 'Big Government' so Clinton made them do just that with the result that they broke and lost all credibility.

    The tea-party is the US equivalent of a party of sun/daily wail readers. Only without the brains. It doesn't matter if when you talk to supporters you get a standing ovation, it is what you can do to get the support of the many people who do not think like you do.

    So, promted by the right-wing media, rousing speeches and election results over, if they win any power in November it won't be long before for them the party will sonn be well a truely over.
    =====================================================================

    HAHAHAHA one jealous lefty!

  • Comment number 20.

    Congraduulations to Christine O'Donnel in Delaware and Paledino in New York and of course to Sara Palin who engineered it all. I'm a Tea supporter from Florida and yes we do hate Barrack Obama not because he is Black or we think him a Muslim, (even if he were a Muslim though we certainly wouldnt hate him on that basis.) We hate him because he is an arrogant Socialist Idiological Buffoon out to destroy our country by trying to pass out the rest of America's wealth to our lowest least prodcutive classes. Mr Obama may be American by birth but not by culture he was not rasied celebrating the patriot asspects of America in fact he was rasied to hate those same values.
    We do not like what he has been doing in office, we dislike the Democarts who support him, and we dislike the weak Republicnans who have gone along with his reckless Anti-American agenda.
    For the record we know some of the people we nominate now are not as strong of candidates as others we reject and this could cost us "seats" in the next election, we don't care.

  • Comment number 21.

    Media coverage doesn’t really capture the nature of the Tea Party. It is not conservative in any normal sense of the word; rather, it represents radical libertarianism, almost anarchistic. We seem to be seeing a role reversal of the major American political parties. The Democratic Party already represents the bourgeoisie establishment; now the Tea Party is pushing the Republicans toward becoming the party of the workers and peasants, minus the Marxist ideology.

  • Comment number 22.

    12. At 1:27pm on 15 Sep 2010, Carl Showalter wrote:
    "Republicans are hoping to benefit from anger over the US economy to win both houses of the US Congress in November.

    and the damage done to the economy was imparted by which US political party?"

    Both, Carl. The Republicans under Bush forgetting the values of their party and their voters and going on a spending spree and the Democrats for social engineering and politicising basic housing loan transactions and, now, by even more unprecidented deficit spending. Like any third party movement, the Tea Party is beholden to neither of these discredited establishment regimes. Nor, increasingly, is the American public.

  • Comment number 23.

    You may not agree with them but at least there willing to challenge for what they believe in unlike us Brits who do nothing when are MPs rob us blind and try to socially engineer a society that many are against.

  • Comment number 24.

    Both parties have vastly underestimated the level most Americans are fed up with the status quo of US politics. Both parties and much of the media have sought to portray the movement as racist and fringe. I think the number of people who agree with the idea our nation has lost its way is huge, far more than anyone in power or the media is willing to admit. The Tea Party movement may be far from perfect, but it is at least an alternative. I believe the November elections are going to deliver a very bitter pill to the Democrats, and also a message to the GOP that neither party is very favored by the people.

  • Comment number 25.

    The USA begins to wander into an era where it is split between two extremes and a battle for the very soul and meaning of the constitution will take place. As a country they desperately need an enemy before they start to tear each other apart.

  • Comment number 26.

    What impact will Tea Party wins have?
    Whatever impact they may have will be ultra conservative. The party has the potential move Repulicans very far right.
    Republicans will benefit from anger over the US economy, probably enough to take both houses.
    Personally, I think the Tea Part is a party of criticism and complaint without solutions (aka rapple-rousers). It favours tax and spending cuts, but where is the solution to dealing with the humungous trillions of dollars in deficit.
    No doubt the Tea Party will impact the Republican Slate in November.
    Do I support the Tea Party movement?
    No, because complaints come easy, carrying signs comes easy, rallying comes easy: The hard part is in finding workable solutuions to move the country forward.
    Will Tea Party-backed candidates win Senate seats in November?
    They have a good chance.
    How will the movement shape mid-term elections?
    Heavily.
    How should the Republican Party react to the movement's successes?
    The Republicans should find answers to the (often quite legitimate) complaints of the Tea Party so that this huge voting block can be moved securely onto the Republican ticket. In other words, Republicans should get off their duff, listen to what the Tea Party is saying, provide solutuons and thereby formulate policies that resolve Tea Party complaints. You know - all those things the opposition party generally does.
    The fact is, the Republicans apprear to be soooooooo same-old, like dolts standing on a beach watching the tsunami of Tea Party waves pounding the shore, and opening umbrellas.

  • Comment number 27.

    tea party,"no more tax without representation" to speak up for the american people to have a voice,liberty and the pursuit of happiness, to fight "GREED AND INJUSTICE".yeah!thats what the teapot lot are about,there justice there happiness there "GREED"THERE REPUBLICANS WITH A BIT MORE ME!ME!ME!!

  • Comment number 28.

    This will be a classic case of 'created'(The tea party) becoming bigger than the 'creator'(GOP), more in line with what US did to help /support taliban in Afghanistan to counter the Soviets during the invasion and now fighting a deadly battle there with Taliban.

  • Comment number 29.

    For all those who say we shouldn't criticise this 'grass-roots' movement of 'the people'.

    Firstly they are a very, very, very small minority of very vocal opinionated people. I for one will never support any politician or political movement that has such a rigid ideological objective.

    Secondly, their idea of government, that it should be as small as possible to 'save the taxpayer' (i.e. themselves) for paying for the 'feckless', was rejected by the majority of americans at the last presidential election. This is something they find almost impossible to accept.

    Thirdly, the extent of political lobying by vested interests against President Obama would shame a banana republic.

    The right-wing in the USA works like this. First you get a radio station or a TV channel to host programs by a 'shock-jock' (i.e. someone who will say the most outrageous comments/speculation/lies as if they are the truth). Second invite a select audience for these programs that shout and cheer along with every banal statement. Third, report these comments in the mainstream media as facts and as the opinions of the majority.

    Everytime one of these promoters of the anti-liberal/pro-america/ saviours of the constitution has appeared on mainstream TV they have been laughed off the air. They know that their power is as a vocal 'outsider' something the tea-party movement revels in.

    The tea-party started in the political vacuum after Obama's election victory. Almost every mainstream republican knew that their political creed had been rejected by the voters and were prepared to wait until he had completed one if not two terms in office.

    They are just a bunch of very vocal opportunists. The female candidate that has just won a primary is a case in point. She has previously stood for election and failed so spectacularly that ordinary republicans won't back her. By any standards she is a political light weight that the voters have seen through before. But in the absence of mainstream republicans, (and supported by Sarah Palin) she is touted as some sort of saviour of the nation.

    I could use discriptive phrases such as 'storm-in-a-tea cup' or 'nine-day wonder' but the one that really comes to my mind is SDP.



  • Comment number 30.

    The "Tea Party" can be ahead all they want for now, especially those backed by Palin! In November, it'll be a different story. And if, by any chance, McCain and Palin win the election, (which I highly doubt), I swear, I will leave the USA! Besides, these candidates do not appeal to me and I'm sure, the MAJORITY of the electorate. So, bring it on!

  • Comment number 31.

    And who will take over from Obama well a Bush Jed I hope people around the world remember this and who wants this the Zionist Americans and the Friends of Israel and the AIPEC. war war war is all this will bring money for the rich and death for the poor. Time people stood back and look at what is going on and why especially in the USA.

  • Comment number 32.

    krokodil wrote:
    Those on the left are very jealous I expect.


    Why ?

    The Tea Party are likely to cause splits amongst right wing voters and many traditional Republicans wouldn't dream of voting for them so if anything those on the left should be happy to see the right descending into the sort of chaos and disorganisation normally associated with the left wing of American politics.

  • Comment number 33.

    Every day I lose a little more faith in America.

  • Comment number 34.

    "What impact will Tea Party wins have?"

    Spoil the Republican Party's chances for a couple of years and allow Obama a second term.

    Then they'll disappear - like every other minority screwball party the USA's ever seen.

  • Comment number 35.

    the British didn't understand the Tea Party in 1773. I'm not surprised by the pithy and vapid comments regarding the Tea Party of 2010.

  • Comment number 36.

    Oh yeah, forgot.

    As Saraha Palin has betrayed her own party by endorsing what the Republicans regard as an enemy, this hopefully means that this odious woman will never even get within sniffing distance of the presidency.

  • Comment number 37.

    As long as all they are doing is taking votes from the republicans then it is very good news. This will put the Democrats in an even stronger position, which will be great news for america and the rest of the world.

  • Comment number 38.

    ONE-SICK-PUPPY #20.

    "We hate him because he is an arrogant Socialist Idiological Buffoon out to destroy our country.."

    and not because he's educated, urbane and humane??

    yeah, pull the other one.

  • Comment number 39.

    12. At 1:27pm on 15 Sep 2010, Carl Showalter wrote:

    "Republicans are hoping to benefit from anger over the US economy to win both houses of the US Congress in November."

    "and the damage done to the economy was imparted by which US political party?"

    No president of the United States can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives, and all taxes are voted into law by Congress. Democrats controlled both houses of Congress before Barack Obama became president. The deficit he inherited was created by the congressional democrats, including Senator Obama, who did absolutely nothing to oppose the runaway spending.

    The last time the federal government had a budget surplus Bill Clinton was president, so it was called "the Clinton surplus." But Republicans controlled the House of Representatives, where all spending originates, for the first time in 40 years. It was also the first budget surplus in more than a quarter of a century.

    13. At 1:28pm on 15 Sep 2010, theoldgoat wrote:
    6. At 12:39pm on 15 Sep 2010, ticktickticktickboom wrote:

    "If it shakes the complacency of the other two main political parties in the US then good luck to them. We could have done with a real alternative over here a few months ago.

    '''
    Being as this lot are headed by Palin and co, who are GOP old school, which 'third way' are you inventing here?"

    Who is the "Co" in your "Palin and Co"? The Tea Party movement is not a national political party with national leaders, but rather a collection of local groups operating locally. To say that Palin is GOP old school flies in the face of fact. Palin pretty much vanquished the corrupt "old school GOP" in Alaska, firstly by taking on and winning against an established GOP Governor and then clearing out a number of his cronies.

    As in 1976, there is a groundswell of popular opinion against the established East and Left coast "Country Club Republican" party, as well as incumbent politicians irrespective of their party affiliation. The general feeling within those of the Tea Party movement is that this, and previous administrations have granted themselves powers that have allowed them to consistently legislate outside of the constraints placed upon them by the Constitution.

    The Tea Party movement is not just a bunch of "Christian, right wing nut jobs" but includes a substantial percentage of both independent voters and those who have historically voted for the Democrat party. Nor is it an organization populated entirely of 50 year old "monochromatic" white collar workers as the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Keith Olberman would have everyone believe. The common denominator is that they are sick of "Washington politics as usual", of professional politicians whose only priority is to be re-elected, of legislation replete with pork, social engineering, out of control Federal spending, lobbyists and the kow-towing to special interest groups, often to the detriment of the majority, all of which is designed to ensure their continued seat at the government trough.

    Personally, I am quite heartened to see that the growth of the Tea Party Movement from a few people two years ago, to several million highly motivated local activists today. I am also heartened that every time somebody in the establishment derides them or calls them names it amply demonstrates their lack of understanding and fear to the general public and more people get annoyed at their arrogance and rush to join the movement. So please, all you big government, maintain the status quo devotees, keep it up because it is going to come bite y'all in the butt big time!





  • Comment number 40.

    "35. At 3:14pm on 15 Sep 2010, Darwin wrote:
    the British didn't understand the Tea Party in 1773. I'm not surprised by the pithy and vapid comments regarding the Tea Party of 2010."

    Ain't it the truth, then again they get too much of their news from the BBC which has, like the rest of the elite establishment media, hasn't had a clue as to the Tea Party and has variously ignored, mispresented or vilified it since its inception.

    As for the Tea Party "splitting" Republican votes and thus favouring Democratic changes in November, dream on. Only the New York Times editorial board believes that. Look at the polls, the appeal of Tea Party values... less intrusive government, cutting public spending, waste and controls, lower taxes, control of our borders and immigration, a more isolationist foreign policy... resonate with a clear majority of voters, especially Independents. The Tea Party is simply a reaffirmation of the traditional Libertarian core of the Republican Party. And surely liberals should like that, no?

    As for its "reflection" on America, I suggest it's more sanguine than the Democrats re-electing a corrupt crook like Charles Rangel to the U.S. Senate.

  • Comment number 41.

    ------31. At 2:55pm on 15 Sep 2010, D G Cullum wrote: And who will take over from Obama well a Bush Jed-----

    D G, This is very perceptive of you assuming you were refering to Jeb Bush who I do agree will be the next American President if he wants the job, and yes you are correct we do support Israel's right to exist, and always will.
    The Tea Parties themselves representing grass roots participation of every American group including many Black people despite what you have been told by the news media elitists who like the tired old Republicans we're replacing want to hold onto their power at all cost, strongly back Israel's right to exist and oppose the imposition of Islamic ideology Obama obviously supports.
    So yes DG in a way you are indeed correct, Obama's thinnly disquised dislike of Israel, Britain, and many of our traditional allies and his embrace of Islam have certainly fueled the Tea Party movement.

  • Comment number 42.

    All you lefties might want to know it is your idol Barry that banned a UK teen from America for life because he call Barry a bad name. That is the fascist you need to worry about.

  • Comment number 43.

    Current or even in primary election whoever win or lose is not an important political matter. an important political matter is since 2008 election found the American politic itself unsteady and shaky. Also the 2008 election's result is already shown that the professors of American political science of university and political science Master and PhD holders are lack of knowledge and political skill. If the American political science of universities have great knowledge and skill this is the time to lead and hold demonstration in front of White House for Brack Hussein Obama resignation.
    Before we though America has great universities in the world and the American education system is the best in the world but after 2008 election found that the American universities and its education system is useless in the world because they closed their both eyes , hears and voted to a cheater, a liar and childish fool,
    to become the president of America, even they don't know his full name. Rest of the world know Obama is occupied the White House illegal or unconstitutional foreign power money, also no doubt he should be the first senate seat buyer in American history.
    But today American politicians are ignored it and the most of the American medias are still in Obama's pocket. So the impact depends not on Tea Party win or lose it depends more on Obama resignation betterment of all front.

  • Comment number 44.

    Do you support the Tea Party movement?

    Yes I do. I am fed up with status quo.

    Will Tea Party-backed candidates win Senate seats in November?

    Obama was elected into office. He was nothing more than a community organizer. So yes I would say anything at this point is possible.

    How will the movement shape mid-term elections?

    I think a lot of incumbents will be voted out of office.

    How should the Republican Party react to the movement's successes?

    Both parties should take a long hard look at their platforms.

  • Comment number 45.

    ref #5
    JohnH wrote:
    The lunatics are poised to take over the asylum.


    ____________-

    That happened in 2006 and 2008 with the Trokia of Obama, Pelosi and Reid

  • Comment number 46.

    It will help Sarah Palin rice from the sea of politics and take her rightful place as the Anti Christ.

  • Comment number 47.

    The Tea Party is the logical result of a number of things. Let's start with Lee Atwater. He was Ronald Reagan's propaganda chief and was an expert in creating wedge issues that split the US electorate on purely right-wing idealogical grounds. It was the classic "with us or against us" argument. Fast forward to Atwater's spawn, Carl Rove, another propaganda expert. Next, consider the influence of religious conservatives and their crusade against knowledge, science, and questioning. Also responsible is the Texas Board of Education who, because of their purchasing influence with publishers, can dictate what is and is NOT, in the nation's school textbooks. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html%29. Let's not even talk about Rupert Murdoch and Fox News.

    Let's move on to lobbyists and Political Action Groups who act on behalf of a single corporation, party or issue, but NOT on behalf of voters.

    Here are a few examples, but there are MANY more if you care to look and read.


    How is cutting taxes for the top few percent of earners good for anyone but the top few percent of earners?

    How is reducing regulation of industry good for anyone but those industries? BP’s oil spill, Bhopal in India, financial meltdown, the housing bubble, lax lending standards.

    How do you explain 22% credit card rates with 2.25% 2-year interest rates?

    And who on earth made the decision to select Sarah Palin as the Vice-Presidential candidate? (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/10/sarah-palin-201010%29 And people still listen to her? To me, that was the exact moment the GOP lost.

    I could go on.

    So, back to the Tea Party. They are angry and don’t know why. They have been misinformed and misled so much that if they do vote, they will most likely vote AGAINST their own best interests and FOR the best interests of the lobbyists. This is true for a significant percentage of voters, but we are talking about the Tea party. Misleading and manipulating is the whole point, I guess. You should read this : http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?scp=4&sq=koch&st=cse. I haven’t noticed anyone actually denying the story.

    I am very pessimistic about the direction the US is taking and hope that the Tea Party causes the GOP to implode. The country does not need the Koch’s, Becks, Limbaughs, Roves or Palins of this world anywhere near actual power.

  • Comment number 48.

    At worst, they will attract enough attention to get elected, in which case, they'll push the government back toward voodoo economic policies that will bring us to a greater economic depression than we have ever seen--more like a new dark age. If so, we will have deserved it.

    At best it'll split the GOP vote, give centrist Dems a solid majority in congress, and we'll quickly make progress toward a more equitable society.

  • Comment number 49.

    ONE-SICK-PUPPY #20."We hate him because he is an arrogant Socialist Idiological Buffoon out to destroy our country.."

    38. At 3:32pm on 15 Sep 2010, jr4412 wrote:
    and not because he's educated, urbane and humane??

    (educated, urbane and humane) how quaint, those might be good qualities for a UN diplomat or an EU bureaucrat from Brussels, but a US President needs to be educated, smart, tough, resolute, a good judge of character and able to distinguish good from evil without a lot of fuzzy grey area to confuse them. Now you may well be one of those blaming all the world's problems on America or you may be smart enough to realize from the success and prosperity of Europe Germany, Japan, S. Korea the Middle East and places all around the world that America has been the glue keeping the world a more peaceful civil and democratic place which is not easy as you have to deal with some very bad people who would starve millions as in N Korea or blow up woman and children, an America President cannot be so weak Urbane and Humane that brutal maniacs would walk all over them.

  • Comment number 50.

    Did you know that Christine O'Donnell is opposed to masturbation because the Bible says "lusting in your heart" is the same as committing adultery and, as O'Donnell so correctly pointed out in a past MTV interview, "you can't masturbate without lust."?

    That seals the deal. Let vote for her so she can ban human urges.

  • Comment number 51.

    Obama was elected because he is a novelty and also because Mc Cain lacked charisma. However that is not necessarily a receipe for a good economic performance. Once the novelty has "worn off", what do you do, you go back to common sense policies i.e. right-wing ones. The american mentality is perfectly adapted to this and I fully agree with it. Europe is old and contains too many socialists and do gooders. That is the worst possible recipe for a successfull society. Sure, right-wing policies and capitalism contain flaws and imperfections - but the policies are in tune with human mentality - which is not the case with communism/socialism. Communist/socialist ideals have done more harm, immorality and evil to societies on this earth than the sum total of all the other doctrines put together. Americans, being more intelligent than the Europeans, seem to have understood this and will never let left-wing policies get a hold there. At the next election, it is certain that a well-to-the-right president will pass in force, something that the more enlightened of us in Europe can only dream about !!

  • Comment number 52.

    It means the Democrats will win the elections in November. Most Americans are moderate and will not vote for an extremist on either side of the aisle. The tea baggers are nutters and may win an election amongst the Republicans, but not when the entire public gets to cast a vote.

  • Comment number 53.

    " 47. At 4:23pm on 15 Sep 2010, dytigaff wrote:
    The Tea Party is the logical result of a number of things. "

    Well, your arguement is lost before it started since you managed to cite not one, but two "articles" (read propaganda diatribes) from the New York Times which doesn't know whether to laugh at, scorn or be afraid of the Tea Party since the beginning. Any regular reader of the NYT should indeed be horrified and befuddled at the continued success of the Tea Party since their view of it is as distorted as intended by its "reporting".

    In the end, it's the idea of the great, unwashed American Middle Class, the working, tax paying, law abiding rabble, actually thinking the Government might actually represent their values and aspirations once and awhile that so frightens and enrages the liberal elite (and the stolid Republican establishment) of the United States. As it clearly does you. Who do these people think they are anyway? Voters? Citizens?

  • Comment number 54.

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers!.

  • Comment number 55.

    48. At 4:24pm on 15 Sep 2010, Faheyclone wrote:
    At best it'll split the GOP vote, give centrist Dems a solid majority in congress
    HAHhaah Too Funny There are no Centrist Democrats that is the point, the entire Democart party has been taken over by Leftist lunatics and 1960's radicals like Nancy Pelosi who back in her youth was probably at the San Fransisco airport sptting on our troops as they returned from Viet Nam.
    The last good elected Democart was John Kennedy 50 years ago.
    Centrist Democrats HAhaaha Too funny man, grow up. Michael Moore good friend of Castro, Chavez, and every other Anti American Communist on the planet is the new face of the Democrat Party get used to that, or join us, what can I say.

  • Comment number 56.

    I know that it is a bit off-track? But this link has relevance for anyone, looking for some substance behind the "air-head" rumours.

    www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059087019

  • Comment number 57.

    These Americans are a seriously backward people. They're afraid of liberalism and other such progressive political approaches and instead choose to live in the past and get stuck in 18th century mentality thinking they're all so free, and that guntoting is cool.

    More open minded Americans are better.

    The Tea party are a joke. A bigger joke than Obama, and he himself is bad.

  • Comment number 58.

    I wish Americans as a whole were brave enough to vote for Hillary Clinton during the presidential elections. She represents the interests of the majority and has the most experience. I also believe that if she would have won our country would be more united than it is now. Why are we so scared of having people with experience and women as our leaders? These seem to be American characteristics in business and in politics. We should have voted for Hillary Clinton. Now we will have to deal with, probably 6 more years of chaos, the rest of this term and the next term. Next time let's not take into account who has the most money to advertise, campaign and look the most cool but let's concentrate on who has the most experience and the one who represents our core values the best. We have to be brave in our persuits.

    Today, we still have 15 million people who don't get adequate health care, our country is growing more divided, debt is the American way, spending over 30 billion dollars on war is a priority, it's become easier to help foreign countries than it is to help ourselves. We should stay united and not act with hatred towards our opposite parties.

  • Comment number 59.

    America finally has a conservative party sounds more like a joke!

  • Comment number 60.

    Arguably, bipartisan-ism is a long-standing hallmark of those countries which exhibit a stable democratic system of government (eg: Australia, Canada, UK, USA). So, as for the apparent impact of the so-called "Tea Party" - probably, nothing more than a fruit-fly in the ointment. (Vis-a-vis the Australian Democratic Party - Fail.)

  • Comment number 61.


    I feel really sorry for the tea Party... honestly. their ideas are good but the rhetoric they use to further their agenda will back fire against them even with all the wins they have had. I am a political athiest I think facts and hard evidence always wins. fact is the tea party says obama is trying to make america a socialist state... Please!!! stop! listening to all the the biased media and read a book for a change, travel & see the rest of the world and form your opinions based on rational and inteligent thinking. what we have in the U.S now are the lobist working at their best, for their corporate America masters, AKA Fascism which is the merging of state and corporate powers. oh and what do you call Medicade, social security, and the other multiple programs that are nearly bankcrupting this country! AKA socialisim and all this was placed before Obama was in power. this does not mean Obama has not messed up either,he has his share of mistakes that are equally as bad as any other president you can think of. at the end of the day the big boys AKA corporate America wins regardless of who is in power. big oil, big pharma, big agri, Federal reserve and not to forget one of the most notorious ones (the insurance Companies) you name it ... they are the ones we have to go after. keep them in check and and you get America back as not that it has been stolen

  • Comment number 62.

    Once again the BBC provides inordinate amount of coverage that nobody outside the US really cares about. Please, just let us know who wins the next presidential election. Thanks

  • Comment number 63.

    Bunch of idiots. An obstacle for Darwin, it seems.

  • Comment number 64.

    As a conservative, I hope it destroys the Republican party. And I hope it STRENGHENS the will of Democrat leaders to continue down the path set by Barrack Obama. It is that 'liberal will' that will eventually destroy the Democrat party and bring about the rise of Tea Party like organizations on the left. Yes that's a dangerous line to walk, a dictatorship of the left is entirely possible. But it is only from the ashes of those institutions that democracy will flourish.

    Yes the Tea Party movement is conservative, but that isn't why it exists. It exists because BOTH parties in the US have been hijacked by the apparatchiks of those parties. They feel contempt for the voter and more importantly, the taxpayer and the voting taxpayer on the right has had enough.

    I encourage disaffected Democrats to start thinking about where the country is headed. Do we REALLY need to brand people with convenient, but inadequate and inherently false labels? Do we REALLY need to believe in that Red State/Blue State nonsense? That finger pointing and assumption that the 'other' is evil is a result of the leadership found in both parties.

    I encourage disaffected Democrats to consider some Tea Party like organizations of the left. You have nothing to lose but some Democrat 'leaders' who don't like you very much anyway.

  • Comment number 65.

    Fantastic news. The tea party, so badly misrepresentnted by the BBC, is on the move. Move over RINOs Sarah is coming. All the jokes at her expense, the sexist comments and disgraceful allegations in the liberal media, all defeated by the people. Obama, you have only this term to serve your banking friends and turn the US into a European country.

    Sarah Palin is heading for the White House. Just consider it. Big changes afoot. And as the US President controls the UK government and its institutions Cameron had better look out. As for the BBC with its anti Israel, pro Islamic tendencies, Sarah will have to restore its commitment to objective journalism and her aides will insist it is reorganised from top to bottom. As Churchill once said, the Americans always end up doing the right thing after doing all the wrong things. Now the Americans are getting it right.

  • Comment number 66.

    T.E.A. Taxed Enough Already. And for that 90% of the BBC readers think they are "crazy", "lunatics", "fascists", the "asylum". Proof positive that those who go to the BBC for their "news" are Marxists who rely on other people's money and production for their comfort and entertainment.

  • Comment number 67.

    Viva la Revolucion!

  • Comment number 68.

    Good thing I moved out of the country in the nick of time. It would do those silly right-wing people good to be ruled by their senseless leaders. I only feel sorry for the real Americans who will be hurting if the tea-partiers come to power, and they feel determined to stay to have their voice heard and make sure that the US doesn't tip into a pit of despair.

  • Comment number 69.

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  • Comment number 70.

    Politics is so boring in the US, that this group of loops comes as a breath of fresh air. In the UK, we're fortunate enough to have plenty wacky parties like the Monster Raving Loony party, The BNP, the Greens and of cause the Labour party. With all their wacky idea's, it's no wonder politics in the UK is more interesting.

  • Comment number 71.

    It's wonderful that people have more alternatives when casting their votes. I'm not particularly pleased with any of the choices currently on offer, but consider the Tea Party to be the strangest and most representative of simplistic knee-jerk thinking. Pulling America out of its current economic quagmire requires a careful, systematic and logical strategy applied consistently. Many aspects of this strategy are beyond the education and intellect of an average person, creating anger and dissatisfaction among the jobless and working alike. The Democrats have done a very poor job explaining their strategy in language Joe Sixpack can understand. Mainstream Republicans really have been the party of "No," refusing to play ball if it isn't their ball and their game-rules. The people meanwhile are angry and frustrated, even though there have been repeated messages for the last two or three years that it would take a very long time to exit the Great Recession. I suppose you do get angry without enough to eat, health care, or a reliable place to live. You asked about the Tea Party? At my last tea party we served Oolong, Green Taiwan, Earl Grey and biscuits. After an hour it was empty cups and crumbs on the table. America asks, "Two lumps or three?"

  • Comment number 72.

    All this user's posts have been removed.Why?

  • Comment number 73.

    Sarah Palin Wow she was once quoted on foreign policy when asked of how much she knew, she replied that she could see two countries from her house Russia and British Columbia ( actually a province of Canada). So now she gets everyone riled up over her criticism of Obama and spearheads the tea party. In the old days grannies drank sherry from a teapot I am now wondering what is in her teapot, maybe she is getting her "tea" from British Columbia. If the citizens of the US pay her any attention then it would be I expect along the lines of what Tina Fay portrayed her as, in fact for a while I thought Tina was doing a stand in double for Sarah as the more I saw her the more comical she sounded.
    On the serious side yes they will get attention from the media and sad to say they will have an impact on how the vote this fall goes thanks to the lack of political knowledge the average mainstream has. As in most elections headlines take the day no matter how ridiculous as the political memory is short. We all have to deal with life day by day and in this day and age we never get any in depth information only sound bites and sad to say they seem to rule the day. My message to the voters of the US would be to cast your memory back two years ago and remember where you were in the eyes of the world, vilified, at least Obama has given the world hope for a kinder more humanitarian US and yes Americans are now given some respect around the world. Lets just let Obama get on with it and begin to do good in the world instead of the right wing warmongering.

  • Comment number 74.

    There were actually several other very interesting primaries yesterday and Democrat voters should really take notice. In New York, Charlie Rangel the long time Democrat Congressman from upper Manhattan easily won his primary election even as the Ethics Committee seeks to strip him of his chairmanship of the House Ways and Means committee which writes the US Tax Code since Charlie doesn’t actually pay much of his federal tax and claims not to have known he had to pay taxes on his 3 Caribbean properties. He does not seem to have filed out his own financial disclosure forms very well or on the rent controlled apartments he uses for offices. In fact the White House staff themselves owe over 800 thousand dollars in Federal taxes according to the Washington Post. It seems as if you Democrats have a choice move with us Conservatives to a new fiscally responsible federal government by and for the people or stick with Charlie Rangel, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama and his Chicago gangster style government?
    We want you with us.

  • Comment number 75.

    Most of these Teabags are far too nutty to actually win in general elections, so they are great for Democrats. Republican primary voters are wacko extremists who are simply out of step with mainstream America.

  • Comment number 76.

    Whatever Obama has or has not done, he has certainly put the brakes on the terminal decline of the usa as a world power that it experienced under W. If the these headcases get into power, America's decline will continue in ernest in all fields, its economy will be crippled by even more borrowing as the libertarians chase their false dawn of wealth driven by a crumbling economic empire. Many would look forward to it, not least the Indians and Chinese.

  • Comment number 77.

    Don’t you think that the UK has a news story or two?

    Or don’t you think that they should be discussed?


  • Comment number 78.

    MMM third party maybe if they get a chance of some power sharing in the senate they will give up the ideas and policies they promised their electorate?

  • Comment number 79.

    It just may provide Politicians with a Conscience for the Policies they believe in...against the likes of the Democrats and Republicans that have swayed things to suit themselves without really helping their 'Fellow Americans'...

  • Comment number 80.

    63. At 6:07pm on 15 Sep 2010, RockingTheJoint wrote: Bunch of idiots. An obstacle for Darwin, it seems
    Takes one to know one it seems

  • Comment number 81.

    Hopefully it will get rid of the crooks and goons like Rengal,Pelosi,and the rest of the liberals that have been bleeding the country dry.Hopefully we can overturn the health care bill and get congress and the senate to live within a budget.Oh sorry i am one those nasty mean people who go to work and pay taxes,that hoping are America has woken up and hopes our leaders quit spending like drunken sailors.

  • Comment number 82.

    Palin's apparent take over of the Republican party reminds me of Mrs Thatcher's take over of the Tory party in the UK. Many commentators said at the time, that the Tories could never win under a right wing populist like Thatcher. How wrong they were, and how many lives were ruined by the long term unemployment her policies caused.

    The truth is that both the US and the UK have a large number of voters who can easily be convinced that the state is responsible for their relative poverty. They do not realise that the state has a vital redistributive role in the capitalist system. Without it, the rich will get richer because of their competitive advantage, while the poor get poorer.

    So, US liberals, do take Palin seriously, do not just resort to name calling, make sure that the arguments against the small state are hammered home.

  • Comment number 83.

    So-called U.S. TEA party-endorsed Republican candidates may bleed off more progressive Republican voters to the Democrats when those voters realise that the TEA party policies actually favor the wealthy. TEA party trickle-down economics historically have not trickled down, but have made the wealthy more wealthy and the middle class and the poor worse off.

    It would be good if the TEA party actually were a credible challenge to the entrenched two-major party system by managing to disestablish both of them.

    Perhaps TEA party sympathisers could all move to Alaska and establish their own sub-country with the likes of Ms. Hypocrisy, a.k.a. Sarah Palin as queen.

  • Comment number 84.

    The Tea Party can't be ignored. I'm personally a progressive, and therefore vote Democratic, and I wish the Dems would stop ignoring or writing off the Tea Party. Whether or not it or its candidates always make sense, they are tapping into some deep anger, often stemming from the financial crisis. The Dems need to read the 'tea leaves', so to speak, and see that they had better produce some economic results. I really loved this piece on the matter, I think it's one of the smarter takes: http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/09/15/tea-party-repubs-in-disarray-or-dems-in-denial-20223/

  • Comment number 85.

    It's so funny. The Republicans started the Tea Party to stir up the right wing and get them to attack the Democrats but now the Tea Party is out of control and is actually ousting the Republican party machine's chosen candidates. This is what happens when you don't think out a plan before you implement it but then again the Republicans have a long history of not thinking out policies. I hope the Tea Party manages to get rid of all the officially chosen Republican party candidates.

    What is also funny is the Tea Party people are not too smart. Sarah Palin is using them so much and they aren't smart enough to see it. She goes to their rallies and stirs them up and claims to be one of them but then when they run against her pals in the Republican Party (like John McCain) she endorses McCain and not the Tea Party candidate. So funny. The Tea Party can't see they are being used. Palin is clearly positioning herself to run again for the Presidency and she knows mainstream Republicans would never support her so she knows she needs to maintain good relations with the Tea Party to get their votes even though she doesn't actually do anything to help their cause. ACTIONS speak louder than words Palin.

  • Comment number 86.

    The T-potty in power will reinstate an unofficial return to slavery, murders and lynchings in the name of national security (translation:- racial purity.) a cowboys vs. indians militia with itchy trigger fingers, more corruption in big oil and other corporations ( Is that possible? With republicans,YES!) and more saber rattling and foolish military invasions into places that dare to look askance at the great white USA.
    That's what it means.

  • Comment number 87.

    77. At 8:11pm on 15 Sep 2010, Its all Thatchers Fault wrote:

    Don’t you think that the UK has a news story or two?

    Or don’t you think that they should be discussed?


    Excellent point. I do like to know what's happening in other countries but the US bias on BBC news is out of control. One story last week was about people giving to charity. The title of the story was something like "US is near the top of the giving to charity league." Why ? The title of the story should have named the top giver - not just a country further down the list. And why did they pick the US ? There were other countries near the top of the list too.

    WAY too much US bias on here. I think it's the Tories at play - wanting us to not know what's happening here so we can't stop it. Dumbing us down again. After all, if the BBC don't do what the Tories want they get threatened again with removal of the licence fee.

  • Comment number 88.

    ------- 68. At 6:41pm on 15 Sep 2010, Nima Raghunathan wrote:
    Good thing I moved out of the country in the nick of time.----

    The rest of us here are happy for that as well....
    May your welfare check be even larger in your new residence.

  • Comment number 89.

    I think it would be a serious mistake to under-estimate the potential of Sarah Palin and her Tea Party, as grave a mistake as the western democracies' neglect of the rise of the far-right between the wars.

    Now, as then, we see a populist movement, fuelled by fear and hate, financially underpinned by large commercial and industrial interests, then BASF, Bayer, Hoechst etc and now Murdoch and the Koch brothers.

    No rational person who might listen to Fox News can fail to see the illiteracy of their arguments, the portrayal of opinion as fact, the vilification of opponents and minority groups and the use of the old adage that if you say something often enough, it will be believed. And yet the working (white) man follow in droves. In the thirties they called it propaganda. It is clear that the increasing power and influence of News International is becomimg a grave danger to our democracies both in the USA and the UK.

    We should take note of history. Whenever extreme right wing ideologies have gained power, disaster has surely followed. I think all those who value freedom should take the rise of the Tea Party very seriously indeed.

  • Comment number 90.

    They'll help reform the GOP. If that takes another defeat, so beat it.

    The comments are amusing. BBC obviously pushed the status quo kool-aid on this one. The posters don't seem to understand the Tea Party.

    That's ok, though, the GOP leadership made the same mistake.

  • Comment number 91.

    85. At 9:10pm on 15 Sep 2010, Icebloo wrote:
    It's so funny. The Republicans started the Tea Party to stir up the right wing and get them to attack the Democrats

    Complete BS. The Tea Party is a response to the bailout. When they started, they condemned the corruption in both parties.

    The rabid left attacked them and the right pandered to them and pushed them into the GOP's tent. The GOP thought they had neutralized it, but now they're discovering that the anti-incumbent spirit is alive and well.


    Partison attack dogs like this poster are one of the biggest obstacles to political reform in the US. Useful idiot.

  • Comment number 92.

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  • Comment number 93.

    What effect will it have?

    It'll confuse the Republicans. Not sure that's a bad thing.

  • Comment number 94.

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  • Comment number 95.

    64. At 6:12pm on 15 Sep 2010, glenbarrington wrote:

    As a conservative, I hope it destroys the Republican party. And I hope it STRENGHENS the will of Democrat leaders to continue down the path set by Barrack Obama. It is that 'liberal will' that will eventually destroy the Democrat party and bring about the rise of Tea Party like organizations on the left
    ..........................................

    In your dreams Mr Socialist. There can never be a Tea Party that is left...that's wishful thinking on your part. This is about freedom, responsibility and reality, not leftie, pipe dream revolutions dividing humans into classes and races. The left is the problem and always has been because the Left loves power to change people...people need to be led for their own good. Leftie bosses know best. Well, they don't. Individuals know what's best for themselves, their families and their neighbours. It's called freedom. And that includes the freedom to fail. Like those banks should have failed when they screwed up. But the Socialists couldn't let their mates down. Left revolutions create misery and fail...just like Cuba is doing now. They also destroy all that is decent in their destructive ideologies.



  • Comment number 96.

    America is fast becoming a 3rd world country, I hear it kicks people out of their homes to live in tent towns, there are no jobs, no health support, no welfare, no justice except for the rich.

    I dont believe the tea party even considers the basics it just wants to gather votes from an unsettled nation, to promote some rich guys to support some other rich guys, and it's the same old story.

    Personally I dont give a dam, until America values all its people it is doomed to fail. Thank god for Asia, finally relagating this bunch of sabre rattling burger boys to the back row.

    The UK needs to decouple and side with europe as quick as it can.

    Dont worry though the USA might be able to replace china and india as the low cost sweat shop for the world in the next 20 years, that still supports their rich and stuffs their poor so who cares.



  • Comment number 97.

    The sight of this creature makes me physically sick (I take good precautions not to hear her voice).

    Another sign that this country (the US) is done for.

  • Comment number 98.

    One knows the country is finished when the choice is between Obama and Palin.

  • Comment number 99.

    "No taxation without representation." was the cry from America in the 1770s.

    "No invasion without justification." should be the cry of Americans in the 21st century.

    Ho-hum!

  • Comment number 100.

    The Tea Party's MO is well known. Prevent the government from doing its job by denying it the funds and regulatory powers it requires and then blame that same government when the Tea Party chickens come home to roost (eg Gulf of Mexico; financial crisis).

    A modern competitive society is impossible without an efficient government. On virtually all metrics of a well managed society the US now trails most of the developed world. Even when it comes to "American dream" values such as liberty and social mobility the US now trails most of Europe.

    So where is the Tea Party taking the US? Right where Ariana Huffington says it is heading, ie the Third World!!

 

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