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How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?

10:51 UK time, Monday, 20 September 2010

One of the main separatist leaders in Indian-administered Kashmir says protests against Indian rule will carry on unless his main demands are met. How can peace be achieved in Kashmir?

Anti-India sentiment is high in Kashmir, where more than 100 protesters have died since June. Nearly all were shot dead by government forces.

A delegation of Indian lawmakers is in Indian-administered Kashmir on a two-day visit which aims to defuse months of deadly civil unrest in the region.

What will the visit achieve? How can the conflict in Kashmir be resolved? Do you live in Kashmir? What are your hopes for the future?

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  • Comment number 1.

    How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?
    Arbitration.

  • Comment number 2.

    Who cares!

    We have slightly more important issues to deal with at home.....

  • Comment number 3.

    How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?

    Kasmir becomes an independant nation state, with citizens maintaining duel Kasmiri and either Indian or Pakistani identities, depending on their preference.

    India and Pakistan then leave the new state to get on with it, without any further interference.

    Everyone's a winner.

  • Comment number 4.

    How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?

    It can only be solved, according to U.N. resolution, by holding a Plebiscite giving 3 options to Kashmiris:

    1) Pakistan
    2) India
    3) Independence

  • Comment number 5.

    Two nuclear powers squabbling over a piece of real estate as they have since the Raj left.
    Hasn’t the 21st century progressed!
    They did not argue during the Raj, is that the answer?

  • Comment number 6.

    Only the Kashmiri Sunni Muslims want an independent state. The Hindus, Buddhist, Shias and Sikhs are happy to be a part of India. The protests are in and around Srinagar. Jammu and Ladakh are peaceful. However hard the media may try , it cannot be called a popular protest or freedom struggle.
    Kashmiri people have to learn to protest peacefully. India is a democratic country and almost every state has a different language, culture and history. Most of the people in most of the states protest in a peaceful way. Independence is not an option. The minority Hindus and Sikhs in Kashmir will be butchered in their ancestral land like in Sindh and Punjab in 1947.

  • Comment number 7.

    A few years ago I sat next to a Kashmiri Muslim gentleman and his family travelling from Dammam to Riyadh on a Saudi pasenger train, the conversation turned to the conflict in Kashmir.

    The gentleman said that it was not the wish of the majority of Kashmiris to be ruled by India or by Pakistan, neither side cared truly about the Kashmiris or their culture or their human rights or their political future, the inteference of India and Pakistan in Kasmiri affairs was a gross invasion of their soveignty and human rights. Both those beligerent nations were out for a land grab to plunder the mineral and food resources that belonged to Kashmir. Both the invaders were equally guilty of mass atrocities and genocide and rape and plunder and destruction.

    It is time the powers that be - America, Russia and China - stopped fueling the conflict from the sidelines and let the Kasmiris run their own country, for Kaskhmir was truly never part of either India or Pakistan and has no wish to be part of those countries.

    But will they listen - dont hold your breath waiting for common sense to prevail, the beligerents are all run by self-aggrandising politicians out for all they can pocket for their their country and themselves.

  • Comment number 8.

    If Kashmir becomes independent...will the Pakistanis agree to it and let that be an end to the situation...I doubt it...the Indians may agree, but the extremists in Pakistan may never allow Kashmir to become independent as they want it to be part of a larger Pakistan...

  • Comment number 9.

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  • Comment number 10.

    The accession to India in 1948 was agreed to the by then ruling King and Prime Minister of that state only becasue of the large-scale violence casued by the invaders backed by Pakistan Govt. This accession was provisional and was to be confirmed only after holding a referendum at the later date when peace returns to the state. This condition is not honoured by the Congress party only to flaunt its perverted idea of secularism. True and lasting solution to the problem is to hold a referendum to enable the Kasmiri citizens to decide their own poliltical future. Even though UK and USA fully know that India,s refusal to agree to a referendum is wrong, they are not telling the truth openly for their own commesrcial interest. As long Rahul Gandhi is safe in Delhi, th3 Congress party will hold on with Kashmir with the help of blood of young soldiers killed by Pakistani infiltraltors on the India-Kashmir border

  • Comment number 11.

    Que: How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?
    Ans: Disintegration of Pakistan will solve the problem permanently.

    As we know Balochis, Pashtuns are from different culture and they desperate to separate from Pakistan. Gilgit region is apparently under Chinese presence. What actually Pakistan is, Punjab and Sindh that has Indian roots.

  • Comment number 12.

    If its India's land they should force the people to go somewhere else and not take a left winged approach

  • Comment number 13.

    Where Kashmir is concerned, India keeps doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
    According to recently published Human Rights report, between 1989 and June 30, 2010, the number of Kashmiris killed at the hands of Indian security forces stands at 93,274. Additionally, there have been 6969 custodial killing, over 107,351 children have been orphaned, 22,728 women widowed and 9920 women gang raped. 11735 persons were arrested and 105861 houses or structures in use were razed. India didn’t take into account the hard realities that Kashmiris had sustained the cruelties of Indian forces for too long. They had been repeatedly duped and promise of plebiscite made by Jawahar Lal Nehru made in 1948 remained unfulfilled.
    The solution of the Kashmir dispute should be based on the following promises made by the Indian government and free and fail refrrendom should be conducted in both divided parts of kashmir to decide their future:
    Telegram of Indian prime minster to prime minister of Pakistan Telegram No:-402/primin/2227 Dated 27 october 1947 “I like to make clear that the question of aiding Kashmir in this emergency is not designed to in any way to influence the state to accede to india. Our view which we have repeatedly made public is that the question of accession in any disputed territory or state must be decided in accordance with the wishes of people and we adhere to this view.

    Telegram NO:-225 dated 31 october 1947 from prime minister of India to Prime minister of Pakistan. “kashmir accession to India was accepted by us at the request of Maharajah’s government and the most numerously representative popular organization in the state which predominantly Muslims. Even then it was accepted on the condition that as soon as law and order had been restored, the people of Kashmir would decide the question of accession. It is open to them to accede to either dominion then.

    In this radio on 2nd November 1947. Indian prime minister Jawahavlal Nehru said. “we are anxious not to finalize anything in a moment of crises and without the fullest opportunity to the given to be given to the people of Kashmir to have their say. It is for them ultimately to decide and let me make it clear that it has been our policy that when there is dispute about the accession of a state to other dominion the accession must be made by the people of that state. It is in accordance with this policy that we have added a proviso to the instrument of accession of Kashmir
    In other broadcast to the nation on 3rd November 1947. Pandit Nehru said. “We have declared that the fate of Kashmir is ultimately to be decided by the people. That pledge we have given not only to the people of Kashmir and to the world. We will not and can not back out of it.”

    In the letter NO:- 368 Primin dated 21 November, 1947 addressed to the PM of Pakistan, Pandit Nehru said. “I have repeatedly stated that as soon as peace and order have been established, Kashmir should decide of accession by Plebiscite or referendum under international auspices such as those of United Nations.”

    The statement delivered in Indian constituent assembly on 25th November 1947, Pandit Nehru P. M of India said: ” in order to establish our bonafied, we have suggested that when the people are given the chance to decide their future, this should be done under the supervision of impartial tribunal such as the United Nations Organization.”
    In this statement to the Indian Constituent assembly on 5th March 1948, Pandit Nehru said: ” even at the moment of accession, we went out of our way to make a unilateral declaration that we would abide by the will of poeple of Kashmir as declared in plebiscite or referendum. we insisted further that the government of Kashmir must immediately become popular government. we have adhered to that position through out and we are prepared to have a plebicite with every protection of fair voting and to abide by the decision of the people of Kashmir,,”

    In this press-conference held in London on 16th January,1951, as reported by the daily ” Statesman” dated 18th January 1951,Pandit Nehru said . “India has repeatedly offered to work with the United Nations reasonable safeguards to enable the people of Kashmir to express their will and We have always right from the beginning accepted the idea of the Kashmiri people deciding their fate by referendum or plebiscite.
    In his report to All Indian Congress Committee on 6th JUly, 1951 as published in the statesman, New Dehli on 9th July,1951, Pandit Nehru said. ” Kashmir has been wrongly looked upon as a prize for India or Pakistan. People seen to forget that Kashmir is not commodity for sale or to bartered. It has an individual existence and its people must be the final arbiters of their future. It is here today that struggle is bearing fruit not in the battle field but in the mind of men.”

    In the letter dared 11th september,1951 to the United Nations representative, Pandit Nehru wrote> ” the Government of india not only reaffirms its acceptance of the principal that the question of continuing accession of the state of Jammu & Kashmir to india shall be decided through the democratic method of free and impartial plebiscite under the auspices of the United Nations but is anxious that the conditions necessary for such a plebiscite should be created as quickly as possible.”

    As reported by the Amrita Bazar Patrika Calccutta on 2nd January, 1952,while replying to Dr. Mooker Jee’s question in the Indian legislature as to what the congress government is going to do about 1/3 of territory still held by Pakistan, Pandit Nehru said. ” is not the property of either India or Pakistan. It belongs to the Kashmiri people. When kashmir acceded to India, we made it clear to the leaders of the Kashmiri People that ultimately abide the verdict of their plebiscite. If they tell us to walk out i would have no hesitation in quitting, we have taken the issue to United Nations and given our word of honor for peaceful solution to the people of Kashmir and we have determined to abide by their decision.”

    In the statement in Indian Parliment on 7th augest 1952, Pandit Nehru said ” let me say clearly that we accept the basic proposition that the future of Kashmir is going to be decided finally by the goodwill and pleasure of her people. the pleasure and goodwill of this parliament is of no importance in this matter, not because this parliament does not have strength to decide the question of Kashmir but any kind imposition would be the against the principals that this parliment holds. Kashmir is very close to our minds and hearts and if by some decree or adverse fortune, ceases to be part of India, it will a wrench pain and tomant for us. If however, the people of Kashmir do not wish to remain with us, let them go by all means. we will not keep them against their will, however painfull it may be to us. i want to stress that it is the only people of Kashmir who can dcide the future of Kashmir……….. However sad we may feel about leaving we are not going to stay against the wishes of people. we are not going to impose ourselves on the on the point of “bayonet.”

    In the statement in Loke Sabah {Parliament}on 31st, March,1955 Published in Hindustan Times New Dehli on 1Ist April 1955, Pandit Nehru said.” Kashmir is perhaps difficult of all these problems between India and Pakistan. we should also remember that Kashmir is not a thing to be bandied between India and Pakistan but it has soul of its own and individuality of its own, Nothing can be done without the goodwill and consent of the people of Kashmir.”

  • Comment number 14.

    Have every side in the dispute form a football team, then hold a series of games in a group stage format. Whoever gets first place should get to decide the future of Kashmir.

  • Comment number 15.

    Anything that doesnt involve the US or CIA. We know thier record for destabilising regions.

    Solution has to be to a meeting on which participants can only leave only when aggreement is made. Any agreement would actually be enforced by the UN.

    The UK and US would also agree to stop arming these countries.

  • Comment number 16.

    I always find that the best way to sort out the Kashmir issue is to look down the menu and then I usually go for a Rogan Josh or a Madras.
    Easy solved, especially if you throw in a few poppadoms and a nann

  • Comment number 17.

    Having lived in Kashmir for first 18 years of my life and having my family still there, I reckon I should say a few words.
    Over 100 people have been killed in last three months and all of them by State forces. Had such incidents taken place During British Raj, the same people who justify these killings would have a completely different story to tell. "Our violent demonstrators were freedom fighters and your stone throwers are terrorists." Indian Government has refused to accept the disputed nature of the state, has so far shown no flexibility to take away the 'licence to kill' from their troopers.
    Now, who on earth would support violence. If people are turning to violence, for their voices to be heard, who is responsible for it. Why is the demand for Self Determination which was promised to Kashmiri people by first Indian PM Mr Nehru, considered Conspiracy against state by India now. One of the women whose son was killed by Indian security forces while he was out to play Cricket, goes to every single protest and joins the stone throwing. For her, and for 4 million Kashmiri people these murders can not be justified by any means. For them getting rid of Indian forces is their aim of life. Have you ever had to live indoors for more than 3 months. You are very welcome to visit my parents' house in kashmir.

  • Comment number 18.

    By everyone, and I mean EVERYONE calming down, going home, and shutting up, and being quiet.

    Not going to happen, is it?

  • Comment number 19.

    I think a very European thing to do, for the European forum, would be to blame evil Americans and the mad Zionists, who, as everyone knows, are responsible for EVERYTHING. So lets cut to the chase and stop creating boring topics which everyone in Europe knows the answers to already.

  • Comment number 20.

    May I suggest a referendum of Kashmir's citizens? They should simply be asked if they wish to live under Indian rule, Pakistani rule or be independent. If the vote is 50/50 or is very geographically based then this could form the basis of some fact-based negotiated border drawing.

  • Comment number 21.

    The Kashmir issue is another of those nauseating landgrabs by supremacist mohammedans and as such is likely to be successful in the not too distant future now the western leftist elites headed by caliph Obama have become the enforcers for islamic fascism.

  • Comment number 22.

    Comment 2 Pezero:

    "Who cares!

    We have slightly more important issues to deal with at home....."

    Famous last words?!

    It so happens that Kashmir is adjacent to Pakistan, which is, in turn, next to Afghanistan. I have often described here the domino effect of Afghanistan falling to the Taliban, followed by Pakistan and then the destabilisation of India. Well, Kashmir would be the first part of India to fall to Muslim extremists. Already the Taliban are threatening the Pakistan Punjab, adjoining the Indian Punjab. That part would be next.

    We in the west cannot afford to see the Indian sub-continent gradually falling to extremist Islamists. Our physical and economic security depends on it not doing so. That is why we must succeed in stabilising Afghanistan and why the Kashmir problem must be solved amicably.

    I can just see the 2015 headlines now. "Bring our boys home from India. It's not our problem!"

  • Comment number 23.

    the problem is that kashmiris were never consulted whenever there was any kind of attempt to solve the kashmir problem. the deligation is not clear about their tour to kashmir. it was because of some indian thinkers and columinsts like Amitav Motto anad others who advised indian politicians to visit kashmir. the deligation or so to speak any Indian leader, is not able to deal the issue with an open mind. we have been hearing the rhetoric of "integeral part" for the last six decades.

    the reality is that kashmiri were willing to remain a part of india. in the present situation no kashmiri is either willing to see kashmir becoming a part of pakistan. kashmir has a uniqe and different hisory, culture and what not. kashmir wants a statehood comprising all the areas which were her part before 1947.

    india is trying to gag all the voices of disagreement emerging from kashmir. the killing spree is continue and is getting intensified day by day. even the mass leaders of kashmiri muslimis like Geelani an Molvi Umar Farooq are not aware of the happenings of the hinterland hamlets of kashmir were indian regularly army is brutally trying to curb the revolutionary sentiments of the people. the presence of crpf in srinagar is not a big issue for them. the way army is dealing with the people in the non-presencce of media is really dangerous.

    kashmiri freedom sentiment can never die.it was alays there and it has intensified in the last two decades because of the crualities and attrocities of indian forces.

  • Comment number 24.

    Another region torn asunder by the Religion of Peas.

  • Comment number 25.

    As India prides itself in being a Democracy, let democratic processes prevail.

  • Comment number 26.

    How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?

    Get rid of religion then 90% of world problems would disappear.

  • Comment number 27.

    wind-blown wrote:
    I can just see the 2015 headlines now. "Bring our boys home from India. It's not our problem!"
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    You know absolutely nothing of India and the Kashmir problem.

  • Comment number 28.

    May be ask Kashmiri what they want, have a referendum what they want to choose:-
    1. India 2. Pakistan 3. Independence

  • Comment number 29.

    The United Nations Resolution 47 (1948) set out the mandate for the restoration of peace and order by holding a PLEBISCITE to decide whether the State of Jammu and Kashmir is to accede to India or Pakistan.
    It even set out in great detail the administration of the PLEBISCITE.
    I believe this is indeed the answer.
    So the question becomes why has R. 47 not been implemented?
    It has sat since 1948; it was signed by both Pakistan and India.
    Instead of a PLEBISCITE, Kashmiri leader Sheikh Abdullah was jailed in 1953 for launching a movement for “self-determination
    Prime Minister Manmohan Singh convened an all-party meeting on Kashmir on Sept 15, 2010. Decision: to send an all-party fact-finding delegation to Kashmir. Fact-finding delegation? After all these years! What does this delaying tactic really mean?
    I have no doubt that there is a foreign hand behind the delays, delays, delays and delays.
    Over Jammu and Kashmir sits Omar Abdullah, who has managed to attract universal condemnation for his lack of administration and total lack of political acumen. Omar Abdullah was installed at the head of a National Conference-Congress Coalition Government after the state elections in December 2008. Omar Abdullah seems to favor being with family and friends while Kashmir goes to Hell.
    Guess who skipped the all-party meeting last week?
    Yep, Omar Abdullah!
    Manmoham Singh said that there appeared to be a “governance deficit” in Kashmir.
    What keeps Omar Abdullah in power?
    A clean bill given to him by none other than Rahul Gandhi. Rahul Gandhi is very much considered to be the PM-in-waiting.
    What a mess!

  • Comment number 30.

    Comment 27 Jaytirth wrote:

    "wind-blown wrote:
    I can just see the 2015 headlines now. "Bring our boys home from India. It's not our problem!"
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    You know absolutely nothing of India and the Kashmir problem."

    Whoops so sorry! However, my wife comes from the Punjab, Indian part, and reports to me how her Sikh family living near Jalandhar watch the events in Pakistan with much anxiety. You see, their elders remember the dreadful treatment of Sikhs by Moslems in the Punjab before and during partition. The Pakistani Taliban have already hinted that they wish to reunite both parts of the Punjab.

  • Comment number 31.

    As a Indian I have sympathy with the young peoples but India can't tolerate another partition of India. Please understand my dear world community Pakistan and China have control over 37% and 20% land of Kashmir respectively and India have control over 43% of land of Kashmir but this include Jammu, Kashmir Valley, Ladakh and the Siachen Glacier, the current protest as you see is in the region of Kashmir valley others part of the region(Jammu,Ladakh and the Siachen Glacier)have no problem with Indian govt. they are Indians as I am. Accuse India without knowing the fact is dangerous. Indian govt. is trying to solve this problem and we should appreciate this efforts and Kashmiri brothers must co-operate with the Indian government instead of violence and we Indians always with you.

  • Comment number 32.

    Let them Duel for the place smoothbore pistols at 30 yards firing round after round until one side dies or concedes defeat, winner takes all.

  • Comment number 33.

    They can resolve it themselves. I couldn't care less.

  • Comment number 34.

    Break up and devolve Kashmir into its various ethnic constituencies and give each their local sovereignty. If some want to join India, let them. If some want to join Pakistan, let them. If some want to reamain independent, let them. Let the people decide. But if any want a united Kashmir, gently explain how impossible that is.

  • Comment number 35.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 36.

    Make India and Pakistan to form one country again...All problems solved, not just Kashmir

  • Comment number 37.

    Kashmir is not a sixty years of integral part of India, but it is part and pack for more than five thousand years, that is much much before the generation of the new religion Islam. What is the name Kashmir: there was a Hindu Saint named Kashmir lived there, so that place was named after him. Why does the capital name is SriNagar, a pure sanskrit name and not the very new Urudu name. So, if the Hindu generation at Afganistan (Hindu Nation Kandakar) Pakistan (Indus Valley Civilization) Kashmir region were forced/influenced by the Islamic invaders from the Arabic world, then apart from religion do they have legitimate difference from rest of India? Also India has the second largest Islamic population in the world. So, even Pakistan separation from India is not morally sound good. Then how come the five million Kashmir Muslim want to go away from two hundred million Indian Muslims? Look for Globalisation without losing our identity and avoid Protectionism and Radicalism!

  • Comment number 38.

    How can the Kashmir issue be resolved? Turn it into a big shopping centre.

  • Comment number 39.

    "Kasmir is part of India" { NOT Pakistan} All the terrorist, should be put into prison !!! and the world -wide groups, that help them with funds.

  • Comment number 40.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 41.

    "
    28. At 1:20pm on 20 Sep 2010, Rakeshasia wrote:

    May be ask Kashmiri what they want, have a referendum what they want to choose:-
    1. India 2. Pakistan 3. Independence
    "

    4. Join the EU.

  • Comment number 42.

    In this kind of situation, there are unlikely to be any meaningful "negotations" and even less "concessions".

    If any negotiations or discussions even "appear" to be heading towards either an Indian-led or an independent Kashmir, then no doubt the adherents of the "Religion of Peace" will immediately boycott any discussions as "offensive" and declare "jihad". No doubt they will also declare that any decisions not in their favour are "waging war on Islam and Muslims" and hence "justify" all manner of killings and atrocities.

    It can't be long before there's an "Al-Qaeda in Kashmir" (if there's not one already) and calls for a Kashmiri "caliphate", plus, of course, calls for all Muslims to "come to the aid of their 'oppressed brothers and sisters in Islam' in Kashmir".

    The "Religion of Peace" will seek to maintain this mayhem until they get the decisions that they want and set up some sort of Kashmiri Taleban government.

  • Comment number 43.

    "
    12. At 12:22pm on 20 Sep 2010, curt wrote:

    If its India's land they should force the people to go somewhere else and not take a left winged approach
    "

    Interesting. Would you recommend to same solution for the peoples' in Northern Ireland?

  • Comment number 44.

    "
    27. At 1:16pm on 20 Sep 2010, jaytirth wrote:

    wind-blown wrote:
    I can just see the 2015 headlines now. "Bring our boys home from India. It's not our problem!"
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    You know absolutely nothing of India and the Kashmir problem.
    "

    Nor do most native British people living in Britain today. It's not a British problem so why should we care?

  • Comment number 45.

    Here we go again all the experts pulling out their dissertations; cut and paste gone mad. I don't know anything about Kashmir other than it is halved between Pakistan and India, their is big style historical religious problems, not surprisingly there are moslems involved, the locals make scarves and expensive jackets and they have pretty decent grub.

    This will never be settled by discussion or UN resolutions.

    A vote conducted by the UN, first passed the post and the losers leave or shut up.

    or

    War and let someone win and don't intervene.

  • Comment number 46.

    I'm from India and I've had enough of this problem. Kashmir eats up precious resources that our country can ill afford to waste. If Kashmiris think that on the basis of religion they are closer to Pakistan than to India then so be it. Give them their independence and they will learn the harsh truth soon enough. Pakistan will turn Kashmir into another Afghanistan and Kashmiris, who have a distinct culture now, will find that they have to become "model Wahabi Muslims" (with death by stoning and limb amputation thrown in).

    I have only this to say to Kashmiris : Live with us in peace, or, leave us and find your own destiny

  • Comment number 47.

    2. At 11:19am on 20 Sep 2010, pzero wrote:
    Who cares!

    We have slightly more important issues to deal with at home.....


    I care, because if you do not sort this problem out at the start of the night. Then a bad curry will spoil the next day, everyone knows that. To be honest a Kashmir is mild so have never had a probvlem with it but also have rarely choosen it from the menu.
    I prefer to go for a curry with a bit more bite, hope this helps solve the problem.

  • Comment number 48.

    "
    45. At 2:22pm on 20 Sep 2010, Graham wrote:

    War and let someone win and don't intervene.
    "

    I'll vote for this, so long as we can sell weapons to both sides (need to be impartial here).

  • Comment number 49.

    "
    36. At 2:03pm on 20 Sep 2010, maamaaji wrote:

    Make India and Pakistan to form one country again...All problems solved, not just Kashmir
    "

    Nice. Be just like mixing T-Stoff & C-Stoff together - Boom.

  • Comment number 50.

    Yes it can be settled and through using their second natures, No less. They need simply slaughter each other to
    the last Man. At that point those remaining Two will settle with an Arm wrestle.

  • Comment number 51.

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  • Comment number 52.

    REFERENDUM - The accession of Kashmir to India in 1947 was total & final. By accepting the Indian Constitution, the Constituent Committee of elected Kashmiri leaders under Sheikh Abdullah in 1953, entailed a de-facto referendum. Please see the topic "The Jammu Kashmir issue" in the following:http://www.indianconsulate.org.hk/

    ECONOMICS - As popularly believed that the state of India is out to plunder the natural wealth of Kashmir, figure state that it is the opposite which is true. Of all the states in the Indian Union, Jammu & Kashmir receives the largest share of federal funds per ca-pita. As a land locked region, the Kashmiri Indians have to decide for themselves who is better for them, India, an emerging power, or Pakistan, a state falling apart under the contradictions of its creation?

    THE TRUTH - For years, surely but slowly, normalcy was returning back to the state. The world watched as the cleanest elections ever were conducted. Tourists were back in increasing numbers in the valley. What happened that unrest flared up so suddenly ? All the things the Indian government is being accused of could not happen overnight. It is merely jealousy & a change of tactic by people who do not wish well for Kashmir & in whose hands the ordinary Kashmiri Indian has now become a puppet.

  • Comment number 53.

    51. At 2:55pm on 20 Sep 2010, Jonathan wrote:
    Step 1: Ban Islam in the area.

    Step 2: Repeat step 1 as needed.

    ----

    'yes, you there, the muslims, would you all mind awfully either packing up and abandonning the region you've lived in for hundreds years, or alternatively you could all apostatise and stay?

    'Jolly Good. There's good chaps'.

    Why has no-one ever thought of this before?

    What could possibly go wrong?

  • Comment number 54.

    There are multiple aspects to this issue

    Social: due to continues infiltration of Pakistani terrorists Kashmir’s tourism industry suffered badly. As a result people became poor and instead of blaming the terrorists their anger was directed towards establishment by terrorist forces.

    Religious: Terrorists have completed removed Kashimiri Hindus from their homes just because they are Hindus. These people still do peaceful protests.

    Political: With Taliban in control of major parts of Pakistan they want to turn Kashmir in to safe terrorist heaven. With India in control they wont be able to do it that’s why this all violence is going on.

    Most of those stone throwing mobs are infiltrators from Pakistan. They have no education, food or money other than their Madarasa teachings. Indian Govt should ensure to control these guys and the own them back to where they belong. Real Kashmiris have shown solidarity with India by participating in democratic election despite of threats from Pakistani terrorists.

    Disintegration of Pakistan to smaller nonviolent states and control over Taliban are the long-term solutions to this issue. Kashmir must not be a victim of Pakistani terrorism rather it must benefit from booming economy of India.

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  • Comment number 56.

    Let them sort it out.

    We really shouldn't be concerning ourselves so much with the politics of other nations. Our nation must first be perfect before we can justify meddling in the affairs of others.

  • Comment number 57.

    One of my friends, a noted lawyer, visited Kashmir for 8 days as far close as June 2010. He noted how happy the people there were & a reported a total lack of anti India sentiments as regularly reported in the Western media. The separatists, ordered by their overseas handlers seized upon minor events of atrocities by the armed forces. Did not the US Army commit abuses in Iraq ? Have we forgotten Al-Gharib? Omar Abdullah, the Chief Minister of J&K showed genuine concern & promised investigation & punishment to the accused. But the die had already been cast by then & paid stone throwers were out in the streets by then. As always, it is the common man who suffers while politicians make mincemeat of him. It is for the Kashmiri Indians to think "out of the box", not the Government of India for thugs would keep on throwing stones & the forces would keep on firing but it will be them who will be getting killed.

  • Comment number 58.

    Best way is to split India into two nations--one of 10 states (Kerala, Tamil Nadu, AP, Goa, Maharashtra, Rajasthan (1), Haryana and Punjab) and adjoining UT's (Puducheri, Daman/Diu, DNH, Chandigarh) and the rest (18 states + Delhi).

    That way, Delhi cannot use the productive-10 states as ATM (valid charge by Bal Thackeray) and will be forced to change its policies--and the worst two of the unproductive-17 (UP & Bihar--17 basically is 18 - J&K) will understand what their venality has done.

    (1) Rajasthan is one of the states originally designated "Bimaru" in 1989--but its inclusion makes the productive states a contiguous entity.

  • Comment number 59.

    Surely the Kashmiri, Indian and Pakistani governments can come up with a reasonable compromise?

    Those parts which wish to remain with India do so. Those parts which wish to unite with Pakistan do so. A UN body overseas the peaceful delineation of a border which everyobe signs up to and hey presto ...... peace.

    Come on its not that difficult ......

  • Comment number 60.

    53. At 3:13pm on 20 Sep 2010, Nok wrote:

    51. At 2:55pm on 20 Sep 2010, Jonathan wrote:
    Step 1: Ban Islam in the area.

    Step 2: Repeat step 1 as needed.

    ----

    'yes, you there, the muslims, would you all mind awfully either packing up and abandonning the region you've lived in for hundreds years, or alternatively you could all apostatise and stay?

    'Jolly Good. There's good chaps'.

    Why has no-one ever thought of this before?

    What could possibly go wrong?

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Allowing people to think for themselves and undermining Islam by a critical analysis of its texts and tenets would probably be more effective. Simply banning it would lead to cries of "Islamophobia" and "waging war on Islam and Muslims".

    It would probably help if the UN and the various politicians (who are bound to become involved) stopped:

    1) Falling for the "Islam is a Religion of Peace" deception that is trotted out ad nauseam.

    2) Believing that the correct responses to any Muslim claims of "offense" are to concede or appease.

    As the Qur'an states, "War is deceit".

    The Indians, who live next door to Muslim-majority Pakistan and suffer the actions of the "Religion of Peace" on a regular basis, know better than to do so.

    Any politician who claims to only be talking to "moderate Muslims" has discovered something rarer than a unicorn.

  • Comment number 61.

    I have a solution for the Kashmiri people, its the same for all the other Indian state. India has a written federalist constitution which gives guaranteed rights to the states. They can elect their own governments, legislate on subjects assigned by the constitution etc. There is more. India has this revolutionary local self governance act called Panchayati Raj, that ensures election to the local bodies and guaranteed transfer of resources. There are even provisions for positive discrimination to regions with more autonomy based on ethnicity and tribe. Now Kashmiris like all the others can take advantage of all these mechanisms of a democratic nation to further their interest. If they think that's not enough, and that their rights are violated or not respected, they can go to the court of law, which functions in most cases. But throwing stones, or crying jihad or burning effigies and flags are just plain primitive and will get them nowhere. This 'independence'/ 'sovereignty' brigade is just pathetic. Aggressive teenage boys and hysterical shrouded women telling the world about the wisdom of self determination! its laughable. Not so laughable when you consider the jihadi masterminds with their dark age messages.

  • Comment number 62.

    The two-day visit of Indian MPs to Indian occupied Kashmir will achieve little.Kashmir issue cannot be resolved unless the Government of India changes its mind-set and admits the truth that India is ruling Kashmir against her will. The Kashmir problem can be resolved only if the Kashmiris are allowed to exercise their right of self-determination about the status of the land.Unless India ceases to claim that Kashmir is an integral part of India and agrees to allow universal adult franchise to the people of Kashmir, Kashmir will always be in ferment.India has always defied the UNSC resolutions about the right of self-determination of the Kasmiri people.UN owes some obligation to resolve the issue once for all in accordance with intenational law.

  • Comment number 63.

    26. At 1:14pm on 20 Sep 2010, MrWonderfulReality wrote:
    How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?

    "Get rid of religion then 90% of world problems would disappear."

    I have no doubt that MAN would find something to make up for the 90% deduction.

    Cultural,political,water,oil,etc,etc.

  • Comment number 64.

    Kashmir could become an independent (and demilitarised) State (not unlike Bangladesh formerly East Pakistan). A bit far fetched? Maybe, but worth examining.

  • Comment number 65.

    Kashmir becomes a democratic independent nation state,

  • Comment number 66.

    By asking the people of Kashmir what they'd like to do, of course!

    Seems they have several options:

    1. Go independent
    2. Become part of Pakistan
    3. Remain part of India

    But nobody else can choose for them, they have to decide for themselves.

    They'd better stop brawling, though, or they'll have to go independent, 'cos neither India nor Pakistan will want them if they're just going to behave like spoiled brats and cause trouble!

  • Comment number 67.

    An American flag was set aflame by Jihadis because Taliban + ISI is active in Kasmir. Otherwise US have always kept mum on Pakistani terrorism until 9-11.
    Jihadis need to understand that Kashmiris don’t want medieval style violence but they want vibrant democracy. Pakistani Madarasaa students should not decide future of Kashmir they belong in Jail.

  • Comment number 68.

    63. At 4:10pm on 20 Sep 2010, panchopablo wrote:

    26. At 1:14pm on 20 Sep 2010, MrWonderfulReality wrote:
    How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?

    "Get rid of religion then 90% of world problems would disappear."

    I have no doubt that MAN would find something to make up for the 90% deduction.

    Cultural,political,water,oil,etc,etc.

    ----

    Correct - but water, air, food , energy are real needs. Does anybody know what 'religion of peace' wants? None of the places with this religion in control have basic human freedom. Muslim countries like Pakistan can not even support flood victims. They can not protect Muslims from Muslims! Do sane Kashmiris want to go to Pakistan? the answer is no because Pakistan is a failed state. Do they want to have a separate state? - answer is no because Taliban will be n control in no time and economically Kashmir is dependent on India. By choice most Kashmiris want to be part of growing India.

  • Comment number 69.

    64. At 4:25pm on 20 Sep 2010, Alasdair Campbell wrote:

    Kashmir could become an independent (and demilitarized) State (not unlike Bangladesh formerly East Pakistan). A bit far fetched? Maybe, but worth examining.

    The history of region shows it wont survive as an independent nation economically as well as militarily as Taliban backed by Pakistan will take it over. They have tried it in the past and now control a big chunk of Kashmir called as 'Pakistan occupied Kashmir' where no democracy but lot of terror camps exist.

  • Comment number 70.

    64. At 4:25pm on 20 Sep 2010, Alasdair Campbell wrote:

    Kashmir could become an independent (and demilitarised) State (not unlike Bangladesh formerly East Pakistan). A bit far fetched? Maybe, but worth examining.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Bangladesh is not demilitarised (far from it).

    A demilitarised Kashmir will be very useful when the (fully militarised) "jihadis" of the "Religion of Peace" arrive on their so-called "Islamic outreach programmes".

  • Comment number 71.

    5. At 11:57am on 20 Sep 2010, confusus wrote:

    Two nuclear powers squabbling over a piece of real estate as they have since the Raj left.
    Hasn’t the 21st century progressed!
    They did not argue during the Raj, is that the answer?

    -------------------------------------------

    It's the Raj who sow the seeds of hatred between Hindu and Muslim, through their divide and rule policies, otherwise, Hindus were leaving rather peacefully under the Mugals, for centuries.

    Today, every other conflict across the globe (Kashmir, Gibraltar, Falklands, Palestine, Northern Ireland, etc.), is the direct consequence of Britain's evil Empire.

  • Comment number 72.

    How can the Kashmir issue be resolved? By buying more jumpers and scarves.

  • Comment number 73.

    67. At 4:32pm on 20 Sep 2010, viku_vpk wrote:

    An American flag was set aflame by Jihadis because Taliban + ISI is active in Kasmir. Otherwise US have always kept mum on Pakistani terrorism until 9-11.
    Jihadis need to understand that Kashmiris don’t want medieval style violence but they want vibrant democracy. Pakistani Madarasaa students should not decide future of Kashmir they belong in Jail.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    American flag burning + "medieval syle violence" + Madrassa students.

    These could not possibly be references to the "Religion of Peace" could they?

    When has "what the people want" ever influenced "jihadis"? They, of course, believe that they are "always right", because the Qur'an tells them that they are "the best of people".

  • Comment number 74.

    As long as one party in the disagreement sees violence as the answer there will be no resolution.

  • Comment number 75.

    71. At 4:59pm on 20 Sep 2010, Mahatma of Great Britain wrote:

    It's the Raj who sow the seeds of hatred between Hindu and Muslim, through their divide and rule policies, otherwise, Hindus were leaving rather peacefully under the Mugals, for centuries.


    ------------------

    This is a gross distortion of facts. No one can live in peace with Muslims ruling, not even Muslims themselves- ask Shias in Pakistan or Bangladeshi people about the atrocities of Pakistani military. Muslim kings razed thousands of temples in India and built mosques on the rubble just like Bamian Buddha statues in Afaganistan. Mass killing for conversion and atrocities again women were rampant. Ask Kashmiri Pundits why they had to run away from their Muslim neighbors. Unreasonably high Jizia tax was applied to non Muslims.
    Dont blame the British. Bitish rule in India helped with Railway, Post, Banks, roads, dams , electricity etc while Muslim rule brought atrocities and terrorism.
    Its highly ignorant and insensitive to call Hindus were happy in Muslim rule, they were helpless to be true.

  • Comment number 76.

    kashmir has certainly become an undying issue.indian govt seems to have lost the advantage gained over last three years.but the truth is that the future of kashmir is secured with india only and this is well accepted by the people of kashmir.they know that being with pakistan is not better than taliban.but there is some negligence and a bit arrogance on part of indian govt.india have to treat them as if they are its own people and should frame a larger domain for composite dialouge with the people of kashmir.situation will definitely improve.all party deligation have given some hope (even to saparatists).

  • Comment number 77.

    The closest I ever came to Kashmir was a pullover. Yet another immature part of the world in perpetual disarray and frankly I don't care. It is high time we concentrated on putting our own issues well ahead of altruism. Unless of course the region has oil reserves for my car and that then becomes another thing altogether.

  • Comment number 78.

    The question is what else can the Indian government do? Jammu and Kashmir ,possibly attracts a disproportionate percentage of the national expenditure in India at the cost of other states.
    A small group of people are holding the state and its people hostage. These people shy away from the democratic process because time and again they have not garnered enough popular support.
    Kashmir has a problem, no body denies this fact, the other side of the coin is active subversive encouragement from outside India, never letting peace take roots.
    You cannot expect any country to accept such blackmail through secessionist forces.
    Only condition that India has put for talks, is renouncing violence. That is unlikely to happen, but you will have this charade played out by both sides.

  • Comment number 79.

    How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?

    It can only be solved, according to U.N. resolution, by holding a Plebiscite giving 3 options to Kashmirs:

    1) Pakistan
    2) India
    3) Independence

  • Comment number 80.

    If the (majority of) Kashmiris want separation, then they should get it- whether it means having a militant government, being taken over by the Taliban, or becoming a failed state. Keeping Kashmir in its current state of limbo is not going to solve anything, and India is not doing anything to maintain its "democratic" image by imposing a 20-year emergency law, or keeping a 60-year-old overdue plebiscite hanging in the air.
    And the idea of eradicating religion from the context is completely impractical- and not just because we're involving Muslim radicals. It's about the same as the idea of eradicating religion in Ireland or the American South.

  • Comment number 81.

    Kashmir is an international dispute for 63 years now, every single country in the world except India considers Kashmir to be a disputed issue. Check any international organizations status vis a vis Kashmir and you will understand that Kashmir is not an integral part of India. Why in that case is India shying away from accepting Kashmir as an international dispute and start resolving this dispute in a serious way.

  • Comment number 82.

    Here is my suggestion - let the Government Of India start independence talks with the Kashmiri separatists. But before that, the Kashmiri separatists MUST ask all Kashmiri Muslims in Jammu and Ladakh, to pack up their belongings and move to Kashmir. The same goes for all Kashmiri Muslims living in other parts of India. The move will be mandatory - no shows of loyalty to India will be entertained. The population transfer must be complete.

  • Comment number 83.

    i don't see any reason why india should want to hold on to kashmir. it has special rights over and above all indian states. it receives more money than many other indian states. the military presence is a result of years of militancy that killed and drove out many hindu families from the region, and also of constant infiltration from pakistan. and as far as the excesses of security forces are concerned, its something that the entire country is concerned about. however it is strange that there is never any anger or protest against pakistan when its militants butcher families in kashmir. if kashmiris believe their futeure will be more secure with pakistan, or that they will be in a better position to resist taliban as an independent nation, so be it. let there be a referendum and let's accept whatever the people want. we can't live with this headache forever. however, the hindu kashmiri families driven out by militants must also have an equal say.
    and for all the comments wondering why their countries should be bothered about the kashmir problem, well, when two countries armed with nuclear weapons are ready to go to war over something, it would be stupid to assume it won't affect you.

  • Comment number 84.

    "How can the Kashmir issue be resolved?"

    ask the people born and bred in Kashmir.

  • Comment number 85.

    Kashmiris will never embrace the Indian identity being forced upon them.
    There is so much mistrust between Kashmiris, India and Pakistan that without an external mediation, there is no hope for a solution either.
    It's time that the UN or US get involved and kick start 3-way negotiations between India, Pakistan and Kashmiris, with UN/US having a seat at the table. The ideal outcome of the negotations IMO is the agreement on a plebiscite for Kashmiris to decide their own future.

  • Comment number 86.

    Kashmir has been dragged into the political stalemate because of the vested interests of the then leaders and the problem is getting worse.

    Kashmiris have shared cultural values be it on social format or religious one. PLEBISCITE is no doubt is an ideal method. But, last three decades in recent past and six decades in total have fragmented Kashmir at all levels and no one should deny the fact that current geographical area does not represent the true demographic picture because of obvious reasons of insurgency, military presence, exodus of people from their homes for survival and now systemetic and forcible departure in the name of religion.

    Kashmir, if left alone, will be a breeding ground for trouble for entire world. World leaders must come forward and putforth their opinion with a rationale which should bring peace. Currently Pakistan and India both lay claim. No doubt, Kashmir is Muslim majority state and on this bias, should go to Pakistan. But, is there any possibility that this extra Muslim Population will live in peace there? Pakistan is fighting for its own existence because of their own failures. Then, what about minority population of Kashmir. Definitely, they would not like to go with Pakistan. The world is fully aware of the time and history of Pakistan which is full of chaos.

    India, on the other hand has more Muslim population than whole Pakistan and is far more prosperous, democratic and secular. During the last sixty years, all ethnic problems related to Muslim - Hindu riots have been direct result of Kashmir & Indo - Pak relations. Every one in India can easily make up their mind when such trouble start. And this has become a matter of political game and our politicians do not leave any ground to encash this hatred and that is the reason they do not want it to settle so easily.

    World leaders and leaders in India and pakistan must think like statesman and try to resolve this issue which has become a tool to play a political game in the hands of few selfish leaders who simply want to remain in power. This is not an issue between India and Pakistan any more. If left unattended, their is a possibility of full blown war like situation as Pakistan is infected with terrorism, tribal war, poverty and China has her own aspirations on the other side. It is not difficult to sketch a future scene of Kashmir in the absence of any solution.

  • Comment number 87.

    When we were venting our utmost displeasures through adaptation of various means from all across the Globe against the Muslim Community as a whole following the 9/11 event as well as for their carrying of a misguided view of life which is forcefully infused into the minds to the ones who are falling victim to the designs amasses which is done through doing of an incitement using Religious Scriptures by a particular section of the Muslim Community to secure Power to rule the common us through use of Proxy than earning it through delivering of any good to us; had failed to invoke any protest at-lest at J&K, it is confusing us to analyze the situation how and why a mare saying of burning of the Most Adored ‘Koran’ by a lone individual out of a sentimental issue without physically doing it can invoke this much protest there?

    While we most deeply mourn the death of so many innocent demonstrators killed in the hands of the Government forces namely CRPF and Local Police for their unruly behavior while doing of a protest, we strongly feel that there are other factors involved within the arrangement made by us to gain control over the situation. It is not exactly unlikely that vested interests are also infiltrated into such establishments of us to draw more anger from the Public out of a simple incident. We however unable to understand why Police was not using rubber bullets and tear gas to control such unruly mobs? We saw similar protests elsewhere too including that at Afghanistan, why we have received 2 different outcomes in two places?

    When we are inviting foreign forces to do development works on the other side of the Border within J&K, there surly shall exist definite danger to India, not to get effected by the propaganda carried by such approaches of one to destabilize the entire area. We are accordingly vehemently objecting to the decision of Pakistan to encourage such steps to take shape unless and until Pakistan becomes free from Terrorist activities. A Neutral Country is however welcome to do so to bring the Kashmir at par with others States with respect to seeing of development works.

    During the period of rule of Major Gen Pervez Musharraf as President of Pakistan, the situation was altogether different. With enough of knowledge and intelligence built-in on him, we disowned this Powerful Leader, giving more stress upon establishment of Democracy than carrying on with or under Military rule to help meet our aim and objective within the area. We must understand that while facing an election by one where there is an infection of disorder for whatever reason, we cannot avoid encouraging evil element to take a greater part with it which in turn produces permanent paths to infiltrate such elements deep into the system through various means by establishing many concurrent sub-orders within the main order which are often remain intact when the Election is over to enable one to issue command to one who is holding a Power from afar. Major Gen Pervez Musharraf being no longer in Power and his motive more or less became open to all as nothing other than rescuing the General Public of Pakistan from the said arrest, the Gen may not able to deliver any good to Pakistan or to the Globe, since he too require to befriend with the home grown Militants to win the Election. Since assaulting a friend once accepted as such constitutes a crime, he too shall become a victim to the design.

    Therefore in order to infuse some order into Pakistan which was resulted from its wrong doings in the past; both USA and UK must join hands together to rescue the General Public of Pakistan from the said arrest. Again in order to infuse some better environment within J&K, we must initiate some development works within the area to offer mass employments to the youths as a temporary measure to satisfy the General Public of Kashmir until Pakistan becomes normal in actual sense prior to granting of more anatomy to Kashmir. This must be accompanied by more visits by Political Leaders into area with enough of security to make calm the issue. India cannot knowingly throw the General Public of J & K into a more complex situation to become victim to it in return of good to a few Power Hungry Personalities.


    (Dr.M.M.HAZARIKA, PhD)



  • Comment number 88.

    Kashmir Issue is not as simple as it looks on face of it. One has to remmember that between 1947 till date the state has been infiltrated by thousands and lakhs of Islamist invaders / hardliners from pakistan. Also, there has been mass killings of Hindu Brahmins at the same time.

    Considering this Refredum to People of kashmir will mean injustic to them who have been killed and wiped out of the state. If it was to be done, the best time was 1947.. not today.

    Also, if Kashmir is given independence, does anyone of us really think that Pakistan will let it alone ? No doubt that it would invade and capture kashmir either militarily or tactically by sending their extremists / militants.

    Once should also not forget what Pakistan is doing in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK). They have given huge chunk of Akasi Chin to Chinese military and also reports suggest that there are 15000 Chinese armymen in POK in pretext of builduing highways. (IS PaKISTAN SHORT OF LABOURERS???) .

    Considering all the hostilities in the region, i believe its in the best interest of people of kashmir to continue to stay with India and enjoy the fruits of Democratic country. In terms of Demilitarilization of Kashmir, it cannot happen overnight... it needs to be phased out and possibly only feasible after Pakistani insurgents are completely wiped out of the state.

    If people are overwhelmed with the statistics of no of kashmiri's killed in last 20 years, pls dont forget;
    - At least 25 % of them would be insurgents from Pakistan
    - More Soldiers have been killed in Kashmir in fighting terrorism than in war with Pakistan.
    - One should support the resiliance shown by indian army, stones are been thrown at them and they fire only when their life is under threat by this violent mob.

    I truly believe Kashmir needs peace, development & employment of youth. If India crores of muslims in rest of india, why not in Kashmir ? Indian Muslims are definately living better life than Pakistani muslims and if People of kashmir show faith on indian government and stop tolerating extremist groups in their state, it would definately be more peaceful and prosperous.

    All in all , the solution for Kashmir is in hand of Kashmiri people, Have faith in Democracy, have faith in India and don't tolerate any Extremism.

  • Comment number 89.


    Destruction of religion.

    Humanity cannot solve the difficult problems by ignoring the terrible effect of religions.

    Religion must be marginalized.
    Religion must be destroyed.

  • Comment number 90.

    The Hindu Maharajah of Kashmir, who signed the accession of Kashmir to India, did not democratically represent the Muslim-majority people of Kashmir. If a plebiscite is held in Kashmir today, the people of Kashmir will either opt for Kashmir to join Pakistan or to become an independent State, but not to remain in India.

  • Comment number 91.

    the only way forward on this lonstanding vexed unresolved problem of which INDIA is in denial, to give the people of Kashmir the chance for refrundum,let the Majority decide & this is for sure beyond any reasonable doubt that the vote will be against India

  • Comment number 92.

    "@ 89. At 7:07pm on 20 Sep 2010, uglyTruth wrote:

    Destruction of religion. Humanity cannot solve the difficult problems by ignoring the terrible effect of religions.

    Religion must be marginalized.
    Religion must be destroyed. "


    Proselytizing like Christianity and Islam are the cause of most of the issues in the world. The moment you decide that your God commands you to "spread the message", you lay the ground work for plunder, colonization, decimation of other cultures, etc.

    Have Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists/Jains invaded any other lands ? By extension has India/Bharat invaded any other lands ?

  • Comment number 93.

    I can just see the 2015 headlines now. "Bring our boys home from India. It's not our problem!"
    -----------------

    You might want to start worrying about Indian troops on occupying your land.

    As for resolution of Kashmir

    Simple: Leave the stoneson the ground & get a job. If you throw stones at the cpos then be ready for retaliation.

    Finally: Kashmir is an INTEGRAL part of India, No If's not But's

  • Comment number 94.

    Is ironic that India proclaims its self the biggest democracy on this planet but at the same time denies the fundamentals of what they stand for to the Kashmir people. The brutality the Indian military shows towards the Kashmir people is unacceptable and these killings are not making it any easier for a long last peace. Call elections and let the Kashmir’s to decide their future

  • Comment number 95.

    I M KASHMIRI,I WANT FREEDOM FROM ILLEGAL INDIAN OCCUPATION,BCOZ IT IS MY BIRTH RIGHT........no kashmiri wants to be part of india,WHY IS INDIAN DEMOCRATIC GOVT. SO AFRAID TO HOLD PEBLICITE AND ACKNOWLEDGE UN RESOLUTIONS.

  • Comment number 96.

    Having read through the lengthy statements on this site in an effort to understand the Kashmir problem I can only conclude that there is not a really deep urge to sort the situation out. Logic decrees that those living in Kashmir should suddenly declare that they have discovered oil, thus America would then get involved and send a massive task force to 'help' the area become independent of both Pakistan and India, - problem solved!

  • Comment number 97.

    Kashmir's forgotten plebiscite!
    When the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir acceded to India in 1947, the then Governor-General Lord Mountbatten suggested that in view of India and Pakistan's competing claims for the state, the accession should be confirmed by a "referendum, plebiscite, election".
    But determining the wishes of the people has been far harder to achieve than was ever expected.
    Fighting between Pakistani and Indian forces in 1949 left two-thirds of the state under the control of India, comprising Ladakh, Jammu and the Valley of Kashmir.
    One-third remained under the control of Pakistan, comprising "Azad" (free) Kashmir and the Northern Areas.
    In three resolutions, the UN Security Council and the United Nations Commission in India and Pakistan recommended that as already agreed by Indian and Pakistani leaders, a plebiscite should be held to determine the future allegiance of the entire state.
    As a prerequisite they required Pakistani nationals and tribesmen, who had come to fight in Kashmir, be withdrawn.
    Plebiscite abandoned
    But in the 1950s, the Indian Government distanced itself from its commitment to hold a plebiscite.
    This was firstly because Pakistani forces had not been withdrawn and secondly because elections affirming the state's status as part of India had been held.
    After the outbreak of insurgency in the Valley of Kashmir in the late 1980s, militants and political activists claimed that they had never been able to exercise their right of self-determination and the issue of the plebiscite was again raised.
    Independence option
    But there was a split between those demanding a plebiscite in order to determine allegiance to either India or Pakistan and those who stated that a third option should be added: Independence.
    Pakistan has consistently called for the issue to be resolved by means of a plebiscite and has blamed India for reneging on its pledge.
    But although it supports the Kashmiris "right of self-determination," Pakistan has never accepted the third option as a possible outcome.
    It is also now evident that holding a plebiscite that assumes Kashmir becomes a united state might not produce an equitable result, given its cultural, ethnic and linguistic diversity.
    Diverse views
    The Muslim majority of the inhabitants of the state of Jammu and Kashmir live in the valley, but their demands are not universally shared by the minorities living in different areas of the state.
    The Buddhist population of Ladakh has never supported the movement either for independence or accession to Pakistan, nor has the majority Hindu population of the Jammu region.
    The inhabitants of the Northern Areas would, however, be most likely to support officially becoming part of Pakistan, as would "Azad" Kashmir.
    The contentious issue remains the status of the Kashmir Valley, whose inhabitants are divided between demanding independence or allegiance to Pakistan, with a proportion opting to remain within India.
    Because of the lack of unanimity among the inhabitants, it has been suggested that if ever the issue were to be resolved by a plebiscite or referendum, a fairer solution might be to hold the plebiscite on a regional basis.
    Those supporting the independence of the entire state reject this suggestion because it would inevitably formalise the division of the state which they want to see re-united as one independent political entity.
    To date, the Government of India has refused to reconsider the possibility of holding a plebiscite in Jammu and Kashmir.
    Without, however, holding a plebiscite or referendum it is impossible to determine exactly what proportion of the people support which option.

  • Comment number 98.

    95. At 8:11pm on 20 Sep 2010, malikryan wrote:

    I M KASHMIRI,I WANT FREEDOM FROM ILLEGAL INDIAN OCCUPATION,BCOZ IT IS MY BIRTH RIGHT........no kashmiri wants to be part of india,WHY IS INDIAN DEMOCRATIC GOVT. SO AFRAID TO HOLD PEBLICITE AND ACKNOWLEDGE UN RESOLUTIONS.


    When you say Kashmir, are you including Jammu and Ladakh ?

  • Comment number 99.

    I am totally against violence as a means of finding a solution. Some parties hold extreme views and the need is dialogue and bringing these extreme positions more towards the center to get some consensus.
    That being said, all of India has states with different cultures, traditions etc., if they used the logic that Kashmiris are using, India wouldn't exist. But India does exist, and it is booming economically and gaining global recognition and power.....
    When there are efforts to unite in other parts of the world, like EU, where smaller countries are coming together to unite and become stronger, talk of disintegration seems wrong to me... Can Kashmir truly remain independent, is that really an option? With Taliban creating mayhem north of POK? Pakistan being riddled with terrorism and parts of it being controlled by the Taliban?

  • Comment number 100.

    90. At 7:37pm on 20 Sep 2010, Navi Reyd wrote:

    The Hindu Maharajah of Kashmir, who signed the accession of Kashmir to India, did not democratically represent the Muslim-majority people of Kashmir.
    ---------------------
    Truth is Kashmiri majority votes in Indian elections while minority fanatics throw stones in frustration due to lack of public support. India was the first one to ask for plebiscite.
    For that to happen following things need to happen
    1) Pakistan must move our of invaded areas, but it has denied moving out of the invaded Kashmir.
    2) all the people who were forced out of Kashmir will have to come back and
    3) All Pakistani fanatics and Pakistani madarasa students need to move out of Kashmir.

    Well Pakistan do not honor democracy for its own rule, forget about Kashmir. Their denials to create positive conditions for Plebiscite are not surprising as they have always been ruled by militery dictators and jihadi mullhs.

    -----------
    If a plebiscite is held in Kashmir today, the people of Kashmir will either opt for Kashmir to join Pakistan or to become an independent State, but not to remain in India.
    --------------------
    This is a wild imagination. If an election is held in Pakistan occupied Kashmir they will opt to join India instead of failed Pakistan. They know about the atrocities by Punjabi over Bangladeshi and Baluch Muslims. They will not opt for independent state simply because they have seen how Pakistan created Taliban in Afghanistan and made the locals suffer.

 

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