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Is there enough support for the armed forces?

00:04 UK time, Saturday, 26 June 2010

Preparations are underway for Armed Forces Day, the annual event to show support for UK troops and those who lost their lives in battle. Do you think there is enough backing for UK soldiers?

Armed Forces Day is being hosted in Cardiff, but there are more than 350 other events planned across the UK.

The day takes place at the end of a week which saw the 300th British soldier die in Afghanistan.

Is Armed Forces Day a good opportunity to show support for UK troops? Will you be marking it? Have you served the military? Send us your views and experiences.

This debate is now closed. Thank you for your comments.

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  • Comment number 1.

    Yes I think there is enought support. Sadly it is the main headlines when

    another of our country men/woman has passed away...I think the majority of the

    people in Great Britian is behind them. I know I am, I just wish they would all

    come home now, before more lives are lost.

  • Comment number 2.

    In what way enough?

  • Comment number 3.

    I have never heard anything of 'Armed Forces Day' before now, but as per normal all of the Forces will have my full support as they are doing such a brave and difficult job. I think of, and support all our troops every day of the year and wish them courage and safety at all times. God bless them all.

  • Comment number 4.

    How funny that David Cameron does a big speech about us all doing more to support our troops then the largest groups of soldiers returns to the UK and who do they send to greet them ? Camilla. What a joke.

    It speaks volumes about how much the Royals value our troops that they only send Camilla. Why isn't Cameron requesting a more senior Royal be sent ? Where is his commitment to the troops now ?

  • Comment number 5.

    I just have to add that once again Cameron speaks and delivers nothing. All the empty words he spoke about bringing the troops home throughout his election campaign and today, once again, he suggests the troops will be there until 2015 or 2016 ? What happened to all his promises ?

    I know most political parties break election promises but this is the first time I have seen a party break so many of them in the first two months. Shameful. This man will deliver nothing - we need a PM of action, not just empty words.

  • Comment number 6.

    If you look back to the last century, the war wounded and the widows and siblings NEVER got there just rewards. I well remember seeing the disabled and infirm from the 1st and 2nd wars BEGGING on the streets of London in the late 40's and 50's. The only difference today is they are not allowed to beg on the streets, so they have to suffer appaling deprevation in silence. I can never understand why the young sign up for government machine gun fodder. Are they promised things that they do not realise is not the truth? OR, do they think that they will only ever have to PLAY at war games, never realising that with this lapdog government,they will jump to the American governments bidding with the resulting slaughter of the innocent as well as the combatants. We NEVER learn from history!

  • Comment number 7.

    The armed forces should get more support from the citizens of the country, at this time the prolonged conflicts around the world have never told the stories of the soldiers in the front lines, it is always about what mistakes they make while keeping themselves safe. Any war should expect civilian casualties, this should not be the main topics in the news, especially when the enemy wears no uniform. Today's war is fought in front of the TV as much as it is fought in the front lines, this is not a good system. Please respect the soldiers who are giving the ultimate sacrifice so we may enjoy freedom, security and standards of living.

  • Comment number 8.

    The idea of Armed Forces Day is a good one, but the background against which it stands this year is a sad one.

    We are told we must value our troops and that they will get all the equipment they need, but also that the MOD will have to shrink by 25 %. If we are keeping our frontline troops and spending more on equipment then that means we are having to remove support for them from elswhere. The hospitals, the peace-of-mind schooling, the psychologists, the dentists and doctors and nurses, the postal service, the engineers and other techies.

    I want to celebrate Armed Forces Day, but feel it's hollow when this government has yet to show a coherent plan of how it can provide properly for our frontline troops without stiffing them somewhere else.

  • Comment number 9.

    I wish England would build both of the Super Aircraft Carriers that would allow her to project power and protect her interests. (Just an insular American's thoughts).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_class_aircraft_carrier

  • Comment number 10.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 11.

    I think that we should ALWAYS back the soldiers who are in harm's way. They do what they are told. In other words, they don't know any different.

    It's the Government who sent them there that should not be supported.

    After we helped the people of Afghanistan fight off Russia, the people were told that we, the U.S.A., would help them. What did we do instead? Because a Government that we didn't like took control, we allowed tens of thousands of regular Afghani citizens to starve to death.

    It was a total disgrace! Jeez, I wonder why they would hate us?

    We have already seen one top military figure resign over the Afghanistan war because he knew what the majority of the people around the world already know: the majority of the people in Afghanistan who are fighting against us are fighting NOT because they support the Taliban but, because WE INVADED THEIR COUNTRY!

    For the people who are reading this who need an example, I submit this:

    We have all had a leader (President, Prime Minister, etc...) who we were not to crazy about. What would WE do if a foreign entity waged war against us to rid of him/her when we should have had the right to do it ourselves?

    We would be pretty upset, to say the least.

    Think about this: The United State's Government, along with Britain, has lost thousands of men and spent BILLIONS of tax payer money because we are obsessed with finding some guy who rides around on a camel who probably had nothing to do with 9/11. There CERTAINLY is no proof that he did.

    Can someone please explain how that is even sane?

  • Comment number 12.

    Defence is pride - attack is shame...

  • Comment number 13.

    Wars are started so people buy weapons. Weapons sales keep our economies going. The rich people who own these weapons companies give money to our MP's and their political party (usually the right wing parties) - some MP's even have shares in these companies.

    I would like to see a public list of companies that MP's and their families are connected to as either shareholders, owners or executives.

    The more weapons these companies can sell to our government then the more profit they make from taxpayers. They don't care about the war or even who wins - they just want to make money. They don't care about our soldiers dying. They don't care what regime they are selling weapons to - it's all about MONEY.

  • Comment number 14.

    13. At 03:04am on 26 Jun 2010, Icebloo wrote:

    "They don't care what regime they are selling weapons to - it's all about MONEY."

    So true!

  • Comment number 15.

    I have the utmost admiration for all the lads and lasses of the armed forces and what what a brilliant day to celebrate what they have all done for our nation. Please the whingers stop if it was not for their continuning pride in duty this country would not be what it is

  • Comment number 16.

    A number of posters appear to have forgotten why this started http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_Day
    It was brought in to offset the damage perpetuated by a Government unwilling to fund the military, preferring to diseminate its largess on those who opposed the conflict.

  • Comment number 17.

    British Citizens fully support our Armed Forces, it is the British Subjects that are suspect.

  • Comment number 18.

    In the same way in which the job of a policemen is to catch criminals despite the risk to be killed, the job for a soldier is to serve in the armed forces during wartime and fight against the enemies of the state. To consider this as some kind of job is pragmatic, realistic and quite reasonable. I wonder why soldiers who were killed in wars should be glorified and praised more than others, for example policemen, many of whom also died while doing their job. The state proparanda (not only in the UK) used to idealise war, damaging in this way international peace and stability. As a result, it produces an impression that war is a good thing although any war is a disaster that inflicts a lot of suffering and, therefore, is an evil thing. The dead do not need your praises. A decent Christian who is faithful to God can only pray for them. Let God help them to rest in peace in the afterlife!

  • Comment number 19.

    "10. At 01:50am on 26 Jun 2010, Dissident wrote:
    We should not have a Armed Forces Day, which is a detestable feature of the worship of the military. More people worship Wootton Bassett than they do in churches.

    I have no wish to indulge those who go on killing sprees in countries they should not be in, simply to indulge the Americans and Israelis.

    The people who go on these killing sprees do not deserve to be bestowed with honours and a special day. The fact that hey have enough support from far-right groups like the EDL (which has many supporters in the armed services) tells us where this worship of the military is heading."


    You silly person! These people will die, knowingly risking their lives, for your right to live in a society where you can post a comment such as yours.

    People do not worship the armed forces. What DO you imagine worship involves? As for people no longer worshipping in church, perhaps the churches should look to themselves in order to answer this.

    The armed forces do not select their battles, they go where they are sent, in more recent times to fight an enemy they cannot see because there is no uniform, while our troops are clearly marked. They are frequently used as peace-keeping forces or rescue services. People are showing their support for bravery and remembering those who have died.

    The fact that far-right groups support them is irrelevant.

    We have generations in the UK who have never been under threat of war in the UK itself, other than terrorism. If there had been, whether you were a conscientious objector or not, you might have a little more insight.

    In answer to the HYS question, I didn't know there were events around the country. It probably wasn't advertised too much in case it upset some silly people or attracted unwelcome attention. So there isn't much backing for them, other than in places such as Wootton Bassett where they are forced regularly to witness the reality of serving in the armed forces.

  • Comment number 20.

    Why should I support something I do not agree with?

  • Comment number 21.

    "18. At 06:55am on 26 Jun 2010, Pavel wrote:
    I wonder why soldiers who were killed in wars should be glorified and praised more than others, for example policemen, many of whom also died while doing their job."

    Go about setting up a day for them. No problem with that, good idea.


    "The state proparanda (not only in the UK) used to idealise war, damaging in this way international peace and stability. As a result, it produces an impression that war is a good thing although any war is a disaster that inflicts a lot of suffering and, therefore, is an evil thing. The dead do not need your praises. A decent Christian who is faithful to God can only pray for them. Let God help them to rest in peace in the afterlife!"

    For the bereaved families of those soldiers, showing some respect may help them - just a little. I must admit, knowing I had lost someone in order to allow someone else to have the right to post comments such as yours I would find sickening. We should have welcomed Hitler, shouldn't we?

  • Comment number 22.

    10. At 01:50am on 26 Jun 2010, Dissident wrote:
    We should not have a Armed Forces Day, which is a detestable feature of the worship of the military. More people worship Wootton Bassett than they do in churches.

    I have no wish to indulge those who go on killing sprees in countries they should not be in, simply to indulge the Americans and Israelis.

    The people who go on these killing sprees do not deserve to be bestowed with honours and a special day. The fact that hey have enough support from far-right groups like the EDL (which has many supporters in the armed services) tells us where this worship of the military is heading.

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    You sound like an anti-western muslim to me. May I remind you that Western troops are out there trying to protect mainstream muslims from idiots regardless of how much you are trying to change public opinion.

  • Comment number 23.

    Yes they should be supported, the people who moan at them during the parades are lucky to live in this country , i notice not many women are anti but maybe that is because in this country they can actually go to school without fear of an acid attack or worse. Remember a woman in Afghanistan can't have an education ,all they are good for is to have babies.

  • Comment number 24.

    I have yet to meet anyone who does not suppport any of our Armed Forces. We all believe that they do a good job often in difficult circumstances. Their problem is our politicians who send them to fight wars in Afghanistan and elsewhere that it is impossible to win using the conventional rules of warfare. There should be a referendum on Afghanistan to bring our troops home. The problem with terrorism is already in the UK brought about by New Labours immigration policies.

  • Comment number 25.

    "Will you be marking it?" (BBC).
    Yes - in my own way. Every Council should arrange such a day so that those who want to, can show their respect to our troops - just a shame most Councils do not. I think these Councils should be 'named & shamed'.

  • Comment number 26.

    Enough already!
    Like others have said I actually don't know of anyone who doesn't support our troops, I really don't know where they get the idea from that they are not supported. However all this 'we need your support' and this almost continuous need for remembrance IS going to result in remembrance fatigue, I for one am getting fed up with it.
    We support you, you are doing a great job, keep it up and we promise to look after you when you return if we politically agree with the reason you are there or not.

  • Comment number 27.

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  • Comment number 28.

    9. At 01:48am on 26 Jun 2010, zathros wrote:

    I wish England would build both of the Super Aircraft Carriers that would allow her to project power and protect her interests. (Just an insular American's thoughts).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_class_aircraft_carrier


    Hmm, Yes an insular American, if these were to go ahead these would be for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and not just England, and these will built by various shipyards throughout the country with overall completion being carried out in Scotland (and no it's NOT a part of England.

    Anyway try not to confuse the UK with being England.

    As for the Armed Forces day, i say "excellent idea", as an ex member of the British Army, having served 12 years in the colours i think it is something that has been long overdue, whilst i don't see the conflict in Afghanistan of being any use in trying to either reduce/stem terrorism or provide a stable government to the country, i believe irrespective of your views we should all support our forces.

  • Comment number 29.

    Is there enough support for the armed forces? Yes.

  • Comment number 30.

    If I were a soldier I would find all the fawning somewhat insulting.They do a job they are paid to do.Its a lifestyle choice-a potentially dangerous choice but nevertheless a choice. What we as their employer do very badly is the protection and aftercare because of the sheer nature of the employment.In any other profession the employer could be held to account through the courts.We ask these people to kill on our behalf but cannot give them adequate equipment/help yet we can employ nearly one civil servant per soldier employed to push paper around-that surely doesnt make sense.When the latest cuts come around to the MOD it will be the soldiers,aircrew and saliors who will be cut not the civil servants.The unemployed fighting forces will be left to compete in civy street floundering around because they will find it hard to adjust.The public deep down support our forces its a pity that government merely use and then disguard them like so much dross.

  • Comment number 31.

    6. At 00:49am on 26 Jun 2010, feral child wrote:We NEVER learn from history!.Well what history tells us is you would be writing and speaking in german,french,spanish or russian in the case of russia did you know in the last year russian bombers have invaded UK air space 20 times the RAF fighters were sent up to turn them back,or should we have sent them flowers and asked then to stop being naughty boys.We need our armed forces.

  • Comment number 32.

    Iraq / Afghanistan
    Check points
    1.7 meter check points, NO more truck bombs killing 400 people.

    “the car bomb that killed seven people and wounded almost 100 a block from the US embassy here in Kabul on Saturday has laid them to rest.”

    WHAT DID I SAY TO DO IN IRAQ.
    IF there is a area where there is more then 50 people, put check points all the way around.

    So some road blocks then some check points.

    Also put cameras at all check points.
    If the car or truck is seen passing the check point, you will see who let him past & lock him up for life.
    Or even better, sentence him to death like the other people died.

    No cars can be near a group of more them 30 people.

    cameras at check points.
    They will get death if seen letting them past knowing they have explosives in the car.

    You have Iraq / afghan troops & police that are very trusted.
    I would use them people to work at check points where mass people are at.
    Make shore there are no house that can lead to a entry without going past a check point.

    If it was a check point guard letting him past, that’s ok k.
    But if its because you people can not think how to do a strategy, it ball sh&&.

    Put cameras at all check points, then see who is letting them past. Death.

    Do this.


    Also make 99% of check points 1.7 meter high. That will stop check point police letting them past even if they wanted too.

    So only 1 road to the markets will have non 1.7 meter check points. If they try turn off, they will hit a 1.7 meter check point.
    Know more truck bombs again.

    The 1 road that will let drive into the markets, will have sniffer dogs at them as well as video recording.

  • Comment number 33.

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  • Comment number 34.

    The idea of remembering the sacrifice of those who in time of war defend our country is admirable, whether took place at home or abroad.
    Like thousands of others my late father spent five years in India (none of this six months and then home again) and my late father-in-law a similar period in North Africa during WWII, they both volunteered before being conscripted thinking it was the right thing to do given the threat facing the UK and the rest of Europe.
    Today's armed forces are following a career path, doing a well paid job they chose; yes a dangerous job but they knew that when they took it on.
    The war these forces are part of does not directly threaten our country. Yes, we admire what they do; but it is not a reason for a celebration which seems to bring out the very worst side of patriotism.

  • Comment number 35.

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  • Comment number 36.

    Anyone stupid enough to kill indiscriminately for the bunch of - known as govt. does NOT get my support.
    Anyone stupid enough to not yet know how the mod treats "its own" does NOT get my support.
    We are not all industro-military goons despite the "patriots" squawking on this site.

  • Comment number 37.

    This rise in militarism is very worrying

  • Comment number 38.

    9. At 01:48am on 26 Jun 2010, zathros wrote:
    I wish England would build both of the Super Aircraft Carriers that would allow her to project power and protect her interests. (Just an insular American's thoughts).


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    If our superb armed forces were not helping protect american interests Iraq, afganistan we would not need super carriers

  • Comment number 39.

    No. My friend suffered psychological trauma after he came back from the war. I tried to talk him through every time we met on the bus. But there was only so much I could do. The government should do much more to help them.

  • Comment number 40.

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  • Comment number 41.

    I will not be honouring our invading forces I am not a sheep.

  • Comment number 42.

    The best way to support troops is to consistently oppose their deployment in the illegal, unwinnable wars over finite natural resources that perpetuate terrorism, fracture global stability and further tighten the grip the military-industrial complex have over governments, both friendly and hostile alike.

  • Comment number 43.

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  • Comment number 44.

    41. At 08:44am on 26 Jun 2010, valtos wrote:
    I will not be honouring our invading forces I am not a sheep.

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    The goverment are the invaders our troops are just doing their job you can support the troops without supporting the people who sent them .

  • Comment number 45.

    "20. At 06:59am on 26 Jun 2010, Ax0l0tl wrote:

    Why should I support something I do not agree with?"
    _________________________________________

    There's no reason for you to support something you disagree with. I think, however, that your statement is far too sweeping, and would offer you the chance to clarify it. Are you saying that you disagree with UK having armed forces? Or just that you don't support the idea of having a day to "celebrate" having armed forces?

    I fully support having armed forces, for a multitude of reasons. The fact that I can write this and you can express your own opinions, etc. The idea of a special day is a more debateable point. I we accept Armistice Day as not just a day of remembrance but also of hope, then that should be our armed forces day, but there's no reason, with mothers' days and fathers' days and days for almost every other occasion that we should not also have a day when people are asked to to consciously think of the achievements of our armed forces. You are not forced to, and that is your choice. I prefer to, and I hope they never have to defend the mainland against a substantial threat, but will pray that they defend you as well as me in the event.

  • Comment number 46.

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  • Comment number 47.

    My Dad was a soldier, my son is a former soldier; I will always support our Armed Forces.

    What I won't do is support a Government which follows America round the world, getting involved in wars which are NOT our wars.

    Cameron says he wants to see our forces out of Afghanistan in 5 years. Why not do it now? Look Obama in the eye and say "We're pulling our troops out, starting tomorrow; it's all yours, chum". This might involve Cameron growing a backbone and acting like a man so I won't be holding my breath.

    If Cameron won't bring them back, the least he can do is pay them properly, equip them properly and make sure they have all the financial and medical help they need when they finally do come home. Stop relying on charities to do the Government's work for them.

    When our troops finally leave Afghanistan it will be no different from what it was 10, 20 or 50 years ago. All those good young lives will have been lost for nothing.

  • Comment number 48.

    Im sorry just doing their job is not a good enough excuse.Saddams cronies were just doing their job as were Hitlers ,.We must show our dissapproval rather than our support,but it seems now if you say one word against our troops you are seen as a supporter of anti western islamists.

  • Comment number 49.

    Plenty of support for the Armed Forces but precious little support for the last two wars our leaders have sent them into. It is perfectly possible to fully support our Forces but not support the continuing action in Afghanistan.

    The best support our leaders can now offer our Forces is to get them out quickly and to never again involve them in such ignorant and inglorious action especially when the only motive seems to be abject slavery to the will of the USA. Quickly is 12 months not 5 years and Cameron needs to act on those timescales.

    An Armed Forces day is complex. What would we celebrate exactly without drifting into past glories we can neither sustain nor any longer justify?

  • Comment number 50.

    46. At 09:01am on 26 Jun 2010, scott wrote:

    A 3300 plus word essay.

    Can someone provide a short summary in, say, less than 500 words?

  • Comment number 51.

    How about a special day for the public service workers who save lives not take lives?

  • Comment number 52.


    Taliban tactics
    “random Taliban checkpoints were too common and something everyone had to be wary of, but today by all accounts they are far more common”

    The Taliban put check points of there own on roads,,,,

    You must start to put boat style bacons at all your check points,,, so a signal that will go out..

    So use your unmanned planes to fly around, when they see a check points & the signal is not there, they can blow up the Taliban fake check points ..

    Make them so you can stop them from working/// or can blow them up,,,….
    each style beacons / sends out a signal. they will have a devise in it, so if one goes missing, you can trace it, & or, stop it sending out the signal…..

    So all check points will send out a signal to all jetfighter & unmanned planes,,.
    You can even put them in humvees, to make shore its not a fake check point. so if they try to set up a fake ambushed by a fake check point. the troops will see no signal coming from that check point, & can attack the check points or call up air support to blow them to up….

    use lots of unmanned planes & jetfighters flying around looking for there fake check points…..

    This will crush them, if they put a checkpoint out there on the roads, there will be a 97% death rate if they do so,, if not, 100% death rate….

  • Comment number 53.

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  • Comment number 54.

    Armed Forces Day is a great idea, but why have it on a Saturday? Why not create a bank holiday - surely that would make it far more special and raise the profile?

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  • Comment number 56.

    Armed Forces day is a typical Government response to the problem of an undermanned, poorly equipped and over stretched military. I'm sure the military would rather have Remembrance Day as it is, ditch Armed Forces day and not have to buy their own boots, toilet paper and scrounge ammo and radios off the Americans whilst their families live in the kind of poverty that ought to make us blush.

    Well paid job? Who are you kidding?

    As for some of the posters here, a soldiers rebuff is generally that no matter how asinine, ill informed, obnoxious and generally moronic your opinion is, the difference between you and him is that he'll gladly fight to the death for your right to hold and express your opinion.

    Most of you aren't even prepared to crack a history book for the thirty minutes it'd take for you to even understand his opinion.

  • Comment number 57.

    48. At 09:07am on 26 Jun 2010, valtos wrote:
    Im sorry just doing their job is not a good enough excuse.Saddams cronies were just doing their job as were Hitlers ,.We must show our dissapproval rather than our support,but it seems now if you say one word against our troops you are seen as a supporter of anti western islamists

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    They are doing their job does a doctor refuse to treat someone because he does agree with their politics? the armed forces do what the goverment tell them to do it will be a dark day if the armed forces chose what wars they would fight not the elected goverment

  • Comment number 58.

    it disgusts me how many people are turning this into an anti-war debate. whether the war is right or wrong, our soldiers still deserve our utmost support. people who say that the government doesnt support them enough- is that not a reason to support them more? people who say that they are invading on behalf of corrupt western governments- the armed forces is an apolitical body that has no choice in whether it goes to war or not. thats the governments job. if you disagree with the war, dont take it out on the soldiers but take it out on the previous and current government.

    and people, such as no. 10, who say that our soldiers are murderers and butchers- either actually get some knowledge on the matter, or go back from whence you came.

    this is not militarism, or military-worship. this is me offering my support to people who i know would fight if my freedom, or anyones freedom was being challenged. i think too many people are forgetting that.

  • Comment number 59.

    Being an ex Grenadier Guard I fully support every aspect of the Armed Forces, in fact I wouldn't have left the Army if it wasn't for medical reasons.

    Now I work in a Contact Centre for a phone company (the big one) and it really annoy's me when some of the workers in there complain about when they think they have it so hard and expect recognition for doing next to nothing.

    Every day the Men and Women of our Armed Services give and give, then give even more and never ask for anything in return.

  • Comment number 60.

    Iraq / Afghanistan war plan
    Afghan police / army guns

    Once you clean up all of the big city’s & have clean out most weapons, you will do this to all Afghanistan police & army guns………

    You will take all of there guns of them, then you will start to in grave a serial numbers on every gun, after that you will start a new data computer system,, you will test every guns barrel shape, & will put it on file..
    So after you do that you will hand the guns out to the police /army.
    But each gun will have a police men’s name to the shape of the barrel, same as the afghan army men, they will be given a gun, then they will have there id cards made & on file his name will be to the gun barrels shape….

    Now if any police or army men kill anyone, you will start puling out the bullet from the dead people that are found, then you will run it through your new system to see if it come from any of the police force or army’s guns…….. Get it


    Same goes for finding guns on people,, start pulling the bullets out of the dead now & put it onto a computer file, then when you go house to house & find guns, test the shape of the gun barrel, then if you get a match lock them up…
    If you find any guns at any time, test them all & always keep it on file……

    You need to get a polygraph test device & start to test everyone that is in a Afghanistan job that noes shit..
    So generals / chief of police in charge of the afghan drug unit..

    Anyone that could say something to the terrorist about plans where people will be at …
    They must be tested,, if they say no, you will no..
    If they say no they are fired on the spot…
    This is a big must for Afghanistan, its so corrupted its not funny, you will need to do this…

    Make a new law in Afghanistan, know one can have a gun on them, if they do it’s a 5 year jail sentence…
    That will fix Afghanistan..
    This way if you find a gun on them you can lock them up, & if the gun barrel comes back saying it has killed someone, they will do the time for murder no matter what…

    This way it is going to be way to hard for the terrorist to hold guns on them….
    Must do law…..

  • Comment number 61.

    There may well be support from the people but they are getting less than adequate support from the governbent/politicians, just one change in policy would end the war but the politicians are far to blinkered in their misguided beliefs to even consider it.

    When parliaBent breaks up for the summer why can they not don the uniform and go do some real work on the frontline?

  • Comment number 62.

    # 32. At 08:28am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    # 33. At 08:28am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    # 35. At 08:31am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    # 46. At 09:01am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    # 52. At 09:23am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    (etc.?)

    scott, such are your literary and other skills that I can't quite work out whether you are advising the Taliban on how to kill more of our troops, or ordering our troops on how to kill more of the Taliban, or both. When you write:
    >The Taliban are &&&&&&.
    I think the "&&&&&&" could stand for "toast" or might stand for "heroes" - or even both!

    The so-called war is not just unwinnable - it is already lost. All that is being accomplished is increasing the body count and the hatred, to some extent justified, so many in the world feel towards the U.K. This already acts against the economic interests of Britain as buying and locating decisions are made all around the world.

    Hopefully both this and my immediately preceding post will survive the so-called moderation policy (a.k.a. "Random Deletion - a bit less random when left-wing things are being criticised) - please read the predecessor. Instead direct your militaristic spleen to campaigning for BLiar, McBRUIN, Straw, Hoon, Harm-Man and a bunch of others to be charged and prosecuted for their role in Iraq.

  • Comment number 63.

    I used to be somewhat sceptical when reading suggestions that playing too many computer games might be having an adverse effect on some individuals. In light of the posts at 35 and 46 on this thread it would obviously be prudent for me to give the matter a little more thought.

  • Comment number 64.

    I've been around for over 60 years and I've never heard of Armed Forces Day. As far as I can see it is a cynical attempt by government propagandists to bolster the nation's support for its futile wars in far away places. It is the sort of thing you would expect to see in Burma or Pakistan.

    It is reminiscent in concept with the pantomime version of the 'Investiture of the Prince of Wales', a piece of flummery invented in 1910 to try and bolster the image of monarchy, and of course more recently milked for what it was worth with Prince Charles.

    Unfortunately these sleights of hand do work to some extent with the people.

    The armed forces do the job they are paid to do, in recent times a thankless task foisted upon them by governments who cannot admit mistakes.

    If you really care about our servicemen and women get them home and put a stop to all the tragic and pointless deaths. Don't settle for a silly flag waving exercise.

  • Comment number 65.

    Interesting question, "Is there enough support?" Support is support, it cannot be manufactured, except by propaganda.

  • Comment number 66.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 67.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 68.

    Fighting the Taliban is like fighting a shark, they never give up, when you remove the teeth fresh one appear from behind.

    Recent report a UK father found out where his son was by a Pakistan news report showing him in Pakistan under terrorist charges, he said he was only going out to play football with his friends. How many other families in this country have family members join the Taliban, never to be seen again. Perhaps a check needs to be done on the families of those who have left the country and not returned.

    If the troops were withdrawn, then those that are considering joining the Taliban in Afghanistan will be loose in this country. Keep them occupied on their own soil, at present they need hundreds of replacements to maintain their force, what we have lost total the Taliban have lost in one day. As for supplying our forces, use more unmanned vehicles and aircraft, if there is a Taliban stronghold identified then saturation bomb it - for days on end.

  • Comment number 69.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 70.

    I have a simple request. For the last two weeks we've supported 23 men overseas, chasing a football. Just today, show your support for THOUSANDS of Men, Women and their families helping to protect our future. Thanks.

  • Comment number 71.

    Had it not been for our armed forces the chances are none of us here would have the freedom to make comments.

    The lengthy ramblings by someone called Scott are somewhar muddled, exactly who is he addressing and does he expect the recipient to act on his 'advice'

    Contrary to what continues to be said, the UK is in Afghanistan as part of NATO forces not just blindly following the Americans.

    Whether there should be an Armed Forces Day is immaterial, the Forces deserve our wholehearted support, to say otherwise is an insult to those who have joined up whether they have been deployed to a theatre of war or not.

    Moderators, please, is there any chance of stopping the inane comments from Scott.

  • Comment number 72.

    5. At 00:46am on 26 Jun 2010, Icebloo wrote:

    I just have to add that once again Cameron speaks and delivers nothing. All the empty words he spoke about bringing the troops home throughout his election campaign and today, once again, he suggests the troops will be there until 2015 or 2016 ? What happened to all his promises ?


    Is not bringing the troops home in 2015/16 bringing the troops home and therefore delivering on his promise?

  • Comment number 73.

    12. At 02:04am on 26 Jun 2010, markus_uk wrote:

    Defence is pride - attack is shame...


    The first line of defence is attack...

  • Comment number 74.


    Afghanistan war plan

    “ Taliban Wrapped in space blankets - thin foil sheets familiar to campers - to avoid detection by the thermal imaging cameras in the U.S. outpost”

    So it said the Taliban got past your troops outpost thermal cameras sensors, by wearing thin foil sheets.

    that’s easily fixed.
    Start to put movement sensors around the bases / outpost.
    Just like a sensor lights at your house. If a cat moves, they will go off / turn on. The smallest or slightest movement will set them off.

    Even think about integrating that into inferred vision glasses / unmanned drones.

    Must make new sensor to get around this Taliban tactic.

    Even lasers pointed everywhere

  • Comment number 75.

    Afghanistan war plan.
    Taliban using civilians as shields.
    Use
    Heat weapons
    Getting the Taliban away from the civilians

    “The Taliban are using misinformation using civilians as human shields”

    The Taliban hide within the civilians, they will walk with a group of civilians to try stop you from killing them.
    So sometimes you will close in on them & they will run up to a group of civilians & walk with them, or will have them all at gun point.
    Do this.
    You will use heat weapons or Sound weapons to make the civilians & Taliban all move away from each other, then you can make the kill.

    Once you use the heat weapon they will all run in different directions from the pain, & that will brake them up.
    So if you have 1 or 10 people together mixed in with terrorist and civilians, you will use a heat weapon.
    The heat weapon will force them to run for there life’s from the filling of pain. As they react to the pain, they will run away as fast as they can in any direction.
    That will brake them up.
    Then you can take out the terrorist that you seen standing next to the civilians.
    This way they will be apart.

    If you use unmanned drones sometime’s & you end up killing the civilians. I would put a heat weapon on the unmanned drones.
    This way the drone can keep making them run apart, unto { demand safe distance } to take them out 1 by 1 or 4 by 4..

    Try use the gun on the unmanned drone. This way when you get them 10 meters apart, the gun on the unmanned drone can kill the terrorist safely in a 7 to 15 metre radios.

    Right now you just drop a bomb on them all, Instead of using a gun & using a sound weapon or heat weapon to move them apart. Well, you don’t use the gun, & if you do, you will kill the civilians. This is the way around that, heat weapon.

    when you use the heat weapon they will move right apart, & that means sometimes you can use bombs as well.
    They will at least move them 15 to 40 meters apart in 7 - 20 seconds, that means if they are 7 to 10 meters apart, you can use the gun.
    Put the same gun on the unmanned drone as the gun on the Apache helicopter. That gun fire about 6 m by 6 meters, killing anyone in the middle of that 6 meters.

    Heat weapon
    When they fill pain, they will run as fast as they can, that should give you at least 10 meters distains up to 40 meters. So sometimes you can use a bomb.
    Unmanned drone
    Try put 3 heat weapons into the unmanned drone.
    Try start a easy system that the unmanned drone can use 3 heat weapons at once, & it can point them in the middle of them forcing them apart.
    Even if you only use 1 heat weapon, it will still move them apart.
    But if you use 3 heat weapons you could use them to move 20 people right apart.

    Don’t forget, most of the time when you don’t drop bombs on them all, they end up walking into a house, & in the end you blow up the house & kill them all.
    You can move them apart before they get to the house now.

    Troops on the ground
    The troops on the ground can use the same weapons to separate the Taliban from the civilians.

    It will see a 85% drop of civilians death in that type of scenario at least.
    So when you see 7 civilians & you see 3 terrorist walk next to them 7 civilians, you will use the heat weapon / sound weapon to make them run away from the pain. After you use 1 of the weapons 2 times, all of the people will be apart, running away from the pain. Then you can take them out.

    This will allow you to separate them from each other, leaving the terrorist out in the open. Then once they are 7 - 15 meters apart, you can use the unmanned drones gun to take them out safely.
    So they will be at least 9 meters apart, giving you meters apart to spray bullets at the terrorist.
    I would say most of the time they would be up to 40 meters apart. Then you can use a small missile if needed.

    Make the gun rotate 360 degrease on the unmanned drone.

    If you use the sound weapon it would have to travel a long way/// the troops on the ground could use the sound weapon// but the unmanned drone will be very high up so it mite not work.
    so you will only use the heat weapon on the unmanned drone.
    I think the heat weapon can work from a massive distance.
    So it would be perfect for the unmanned drone. If not fly the unmanned drone lower so it will work.
    So only fly it lower if that happens.

    The troops on the ground can use sound weapons or heat weapons. That will push all of the people apart.

    Terrorist in houses with civilians

    Use sleeping gas to flush them outside or to put them to sleep. That’s if you don’t want to use stun bombs to keep them secret for a massive war,

    Use the sleeping gas to put them to sleep.
    This way the terrorist will have to come out or full to sleep.
    If they come outside you will have snipers that will take them out & you can use the heat weapon to move them apart.
    If they stay inside they will full to sleep.
    You can only use sleeping gas, normal smoke will kill them all if they don’t come out.
    But sleeping gas will not kill them, it will put them to sleep.
    Surround the house first, then fire in sleeping gas. Then have snipers ready to take them out.
    It is better to do that then dropping a 500 pond bomb & killing them all.
    You will save a massive % of civilians life’s this way.

    But if you use the heat weapon before they get near the house. You will move them apart killing them before they walk into the house.

    Most of the time you ether just drop a bomb on them all, out in the open, or you just watch them walk & walk unto they end up walking Into a house. Then you blow up the house if they fire from within it.
    Now you can get them apart before they get to the house.

    quote
    “the Taliban men was using the child as a shield.
    "They know we’re not going to shoot him when he’s with a kid," said 1st Lt. Jared Wagner, 25, of Hillsborough, N.J. "It’s frustrating."
    Give your troops heat weapons.
    That will force the Taliban men to instantly run away from the pain / boy, separating the boy from the Taliban men.
    Then you can take him out.

  • Comment number 76.

    I am South African but i am very proud of having had a British father and mother, My father was killed during the withdrawal to Dunkirk in 1940 and is buried in France. My late father- in -law was captured by the Japanese in Java in February 1942 and suffered as a POW in Japan until liberated by those wonderful Americans in August 1945. My three sons are proud of their granfather's contribution to winning that terrible total war.
    Ofcourse i support forces day and i am filled with pride to see on satallite news, those fit looking young men and women. marching through the streets of the towns of Great Britain once again and being proudly cheered by their country's men and women.
    My youngest son is in the British Army and another is about to rejoin but this time in the territorial army. The former is about to serve his second time in Afghanistan. Ofcourse i will always support him and the forces wherever they go.
    The new prime minister David Cameron has said today that he would like to see British forces possibly be out of Afgahanistan by 2015. Thus making a total years in that country of 14 years. That is over twice the years of world war two in which my son's grandfather's fought.

    I have two questions that i would ask Mr Cameron if i could;-

    1.Why are British forces in Afghanistan at all now?

    2.Do the Afghan people want foreign forces in their country and will they want them there for five more years or perhaps even longer? Surely the people must be asked.

    Perhaps some of the commentators of this poll can answer those questions of mine?

  • Comment number 77.

    48. At 09:07am on 26 Jun 2010, valtos wrote:

    Im sorry just doing their job is not a good enough excuse.Saddams cronies were just doing their job as were Hitlers ,.We must show our dissapproval rather than our support,but it seems now if you say one word against our troops you are seen as a supporter of anti western islamists.


    Who do you mean when you say "We must show our disapproval.."

  • Comment number 78.

    70. At 10:08am on 26 Jun 2010, Ben Dalrymple wrote:

    I have a simple request. For the last two weeks we've supported 23 men overseas, chasing a football. Just today, show your support for THOUSANDS of Men, Women and their families helping to protect our future. Thanks.


    We won't win the football either...

  • Comment number 79.

    and to think they are all shi&. thats less then 1% of the strategy's. well 1% strategy's that are shi..

  • Comment number 80.

    69. At 10:04am on 26 Jun 2010, simon212 wrote:

    Will somebody please stop "SCOTT" from writing any more horrendously boring, nonsensical comments please.


    That's what the scroll bar was designed for.

  • Comment number 81.

    9. At 10:04am on 26 Jun 2010, simon212 wrote:
    sorry NOT.

  • Comment number 82.

    FOR

    27. At 08:13am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    32. At 08:28am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    33. At 08:28am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    35. At 08:31am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    40. At 08:42am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    43. At 08:45am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    46. At 09:01am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    52. At 09:23am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    55. At 09:36am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    60. At 09:45am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    66. At 09:50am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    67. At 09:53am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    74. At 10:13am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    75. At 10:14am on 26 Jun scott wrote:
    (etc.?)

    scott, I'm afraid you've missed the boat a little. NuLabour, who plunged the country into one highly dubious and one wholly illegal war, were the ones who were very hot on , just as you are too.

    I.D. cards being a recurrent theme in your pearls, as you clearly see them deflecting IEDs etc.

    You've also got lots of procedural ideas which seem very similar to the job-creation schemes employed by Labour during their reign 1997-2010.

    But NuLabour got the boot at the last election, and the victors have already cancelled the I.D. cards scheme and will soon cancel most of the other administrative and bureaucratic procedures (like the Labour policies of jailing or detaining people without trial or even charge, putting sensors and lasers everywhere, checking and rechecking everything, allowing hearsay evidence, spying on citizens, restricting freedoms including that of movement, collaborating with torture, tracking all cars, giant databases, DNA records of the innocent, licensing every conceivable activity, putting spy cameras and hidden microphones everywhere, using state broadcasting for propaganda/information, etc.) that you are advocating in your posts for use in Afghanistan.

    Therefore:

    Rather than wasting time here educating and lobbying "influential" HYS participants, I suggest who are seeking a strategist to replace the disgraced Alistair Campbell and Lord (until he's not) Mandelson. LABOUR are keen to find someone able to so coherently explain and justify their policies, and, scott, you're their man! They'll jump at the chance. The person you should approach is probably their Leader, whose name escapes me for the moment (it has changed recently, and is likely to change again soon)

    Seize the moment! A brilliant mind is needed by Labour NOW, scott!

    :-)

  • Comment number 83.

    No. 70

    For the last two weeks we've supported 23 men overseas, chasing a football.

    Er...sorry..I haven't!

  • Comment number 84.

    At the people's level I believe we are all behind our Armed Forces, simply because they are a professional forces. People joined with eyes mostly open. I say it like that because sometimes one does wonder where we send them sometimes! I am sure they wonder too, but they do go! There are no complaints or serious problems. It is the job they went for, so it is the job they do.

    I take my hat off to them all! At least I could buy them a beer on the plane home. Which reminds me.........

    Now, Politics is quite another matter! HYS is not big enough for me to enter into this kind of debate.....and no one would listen anyway! That's the nature of politicians....only they know better!

  • Comment number 85.

    The problem in this country is of course the treacherous & corrosive left wing. They barely support an armed forces at all, yet alone one engaged in conflict. Especially a conflict involving the left wing's new political allies - Islamists.

    Speaking of Islamists, plenty in this country abusing our soldiers and hurling insults at them.

    There's an awful cynicism in this country mainly peddled by the left which makes it 'uncool' to support the armed forces - especially amongst the student types. In fact it's 'cool' amongst the left to talk about the sporadic allegations of abuses here and there. It's cool to talk about "bringing them home". Of course the left don't want to "bring them home" out of concern for soldiers, it's out of concern for their twisted world view. That an American-lead operation against the Islamists might succeed. That's the last thing the cancerous left wing want.

    There's going to come a time when we will need to fight the left just as we fought the far right. It's time to destroy them and their sick ideology. The left wing are the enablers of Islamic fascism. This alliance has to be crushed.

  • Comment number 86.

    i wish Cameran would grow a pair and pull them out (the troops that is)

  • Comment number 87.

    71. At 10:08am on 26 Jun 2010, Lynn from Sussex wrote:
    sorry NO.

  • Comment number 88.

    NO.

    I will never support Wars of Agression and Occupation by any Forces on this Planet.

    We need a modern European Armed Force like the Irish or Norwegians that participate in non_aggressive Peace keeping. Not a Force that every militarist British Politician can use for fulfilling the Imperialist Fantasies of the US.

  • Comment number 89.

    62. At 09:46am on 26 Jun 2010, Wiser than you wrote:

    you will see. full

  • Comment number 90.

    Frank Hartry - British soldiers are in Afghanistan as part of a legitimate NATO mission to liberate the country from the Taliban, who were state supporters of terrorism and generally all round bad eggs. The Taliban supported Osama Bin Laden, who is the titular head of an organisation called Al Qaeda, who were instrumental in the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York in 2001, which cost over 3,000 lives.

    Unfortunately, the mission in Afghanistan became overshadowed by an abuse of power that led to the invasion of Iraq, a country that didn't have the illegal weapons that they were accused of having and had no part at all in the WTC bombing.

    Whilst the Taliban's field army has been shattered, and its hold on the major cities severed, it remains a strong presence in rural areas, especially towards the Pakistan border. It is bolstered in this by many radical muslims from other nations who see the recent Western interventions in the Middle East as a new crusade.

    Currently NATO is reinforcing the democratically elected government of Afghanistan as it struggles to tighten its control over the country. The rebuilding of a nation that is largely back to the stone age is also one of the major aims of the NATO mission.

    Unfortunately the Western powers seem to have forgotten that the Middle East is only nominally organised into nations. There is a very real danger that we will simply be putting Karzai's tribe into power at the expense of the tribes ousted during our campaign. This is a recurring theme throughout our involvement in the Middle East.

    Do the Afghani people want British Troops in Afghanistan? I'm sure they'd rather be able to deal with the problem themselves, and then go back to selling Opiates to the world - business as usual. However the current fighting between the Taliban and the Government promises little more than death and crushing poverty. I'm sure the women would support the continued presence of foreign troops, as they now get to vote, leave the house, go to school and all sorts of new and exciting things.

    The bottom line is that if the Taliban regains power, the killing will go on for a decade and the country will be plunged into a new dark age.

  • Comment number 91.

    82. At 10:26am on 26 Jun 2010, Wiser than you wrote:

    you relay have no idea do ya. but then again you where just like the chiefs off staff at first. now they do every think i say.:)

    ps don't try tell me what your thing about 1997 2000 bla bla black sheep. i now, you don't.
    & id cards are what will 100% help win this war, clearly you don't even no anything about strategy. well about any think. you may have trouble reading them, but you understand the strategy. full

  • Comment number 92.

    "10. At 01:50am on 26 Jun 2010, Dissident wrote:
    We should not have a Armed Forces Day, which is a detestable feature of the worship of the military. More people worship Wootton Bassett than they do in churches.

    I have no wish to indulge those who go on killing sprees in countries they should not be in, simply to indulge the Americans and Israelis.

    The people who go on these killing sprees do not deserve to be bestowed with honours and a special day. The fact that hey have enough support from far-right groups like the EDL (which has many supporters in the armed services) tells us where this worship of the military is heading."
    .......................................................................

    Perhaps if we hadn't had 9/11 and 7/7 then we in the west might just have reduced our armed forces by now. One thing for sure, as long as our civilians are being targeted by cowardly attacks we will keep our armed forces; good on 'em.

  • Comment number 93.

    Forces day is New, not before time, Great Britain (am I allowed to call it that?) soon forgets how bad wars are. We should not be in Afghanistan or Iraq, they are not our wars, if our British Isles is attacked we should defend it to the last as every country should. I echo what everyone says, Bring our troops home NOW before any more get killed.

  • Comment number 94.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 95.

    Yes. There is overwhelming support for the armed forces, probably matching that of the Second World War. And that is how it should be. They have done well in Afghanistan and now they should come home to a hero's welcome. But it is as tragedy that there is no support for them from the leading parliamentary parties, who continue with this pointless war. It is not enough simply to express condolences at PM's question time before settling down to the public schoolboy debate in the commons.

    But if Cameron and his coalition cannot bring the troops home, the least he can do is stand up to their enemies (who cannot be named on a BBC blog) when they hurl abuse at our soldiers. We never saw that in WW2.

  • Comment number 96.

    No.

  • Comment number 97.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 98.

    I support this in its entirety, proud of them.

  • Comment number 99.

    Of course we should respect and support our servicemen/women. It doesn't matter that you don't agree with what they have to do but the very fact that they are prepared to lay down their lives raises them above your average person in the street.

    Soldiers etc. don't start wars - they just have to clean up the mess that politicians make when they decide to invade foreign lands. At the stroke of a pen hundreds of lives will end prematurely but for the Prime Minister it means their name will appear in the history books. Hardly a fair exchange.

    In my opinion 'joe public' does stand in awe of selfless young service men/women who are willing to die for their country - it is those in authority who should be judged. Compensation for death and injury is far from fair and their equipment fails to meet specification.

    Give them the best because they are expected to fight to the death for another man's ideology.

  • Comment number 100.

    thank you bbc for adding my comments. well you heard it first on BBC, as you will CCCCCCCCC

 

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