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• 1. At 09:24am on 04 Sep 2009, zeldalicious wrote:

  It's the parents - 99% of these cases are down entirely to the childs upbringing or lack of it. We have to find a way of stopping people having kids they don't want, have no idea how to bring up and are born just for the sake of it.

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• 2. At 09:56am on 04 Sep 2009, bigbad_don...est' 1886 wrote:

  Nicky Good morning 
  
  I’ve just rejoined following listening to the show up to the first 10 minutes.
  
  So to address the issue of problem children you spend the first 10 minutes of your phone-in…..
  
  • Listening to someone who claims children shouldn’t be smacked
  • Arguing whether or not they should be described as ‘feral’ children
  
  I would suggest this is part of the problem (personally I don’t believe it really matters, within reason, how we refer to them).
  
  Me and my wife have 4 children. They are largely very happy children who are all very different (good and bad). What works is,
  
  • Self sacrificing love
  • Clearly communicated boundaries
  • Consistency
  • Good example (lack of hypocrisy)
  
  You miss any one of those and the kids WILL suffer. Stop kidding yourselves!!!!!
  
  Regards,
  
  Don - Birmingham [Personal details removed by Moderator]
  

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• 3. At 09:58am on 04 Sep 2009, bigbad_don...est' 1886 wrote:

  I finally found the blog zelds....tucked away isn't it?? :-)

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• 4. At 10:28am on 04 Sep 2009, Nick Vinehill wrote:

  A tragic case indeed but fortunately child crime/abuse/torture on other children is very rare in the UK
  
  A lot of brazen sensationalism and scaremongering by the media as if these tragic assaults are occurring everywhere. It's obviously to divert attention away from real economic and social issues which are the main cause of these rare incidents anyway when they occur.
  
  (Ref 2 above: thought the publication of contributors phone numbers/email addresses on here contravened house rules or has this changed and if so for the better!)
  
  

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• 5. At 11:00am on 04 Sep 2009, llanabob wrote:

  This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

• 6. At 11:19am on 04 Sep 2009, SLAN wrote:

  This is a classic case of a nurture v nature "perfect storm".
  These sadistic children are the product of a parent with low values,dependant on the welfare system and producing offspring by multiple partners.
  These sadistic traits are nothing to do with videos but are inherent, made worse by their environment that knows no restraint or boundaries.
  Though this is an extreme example of "feral children" there are tens of thousands of similar parents leaching off the state and disregarding the law.
  
  It is not films of TV to blame- but the gutless society we live in -too afraid to punish ,and paralysed when confronted with crime.
  Maybe its time the people of this country stopped listening to the psychobabblers, police and social service "box tickers", and start holding politicians to account.
  It is irrelevant how rare this crime is its symptomatic of a society too afraid to defend itself and too ready to listen to liberal hand wringers.

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• 7. At 2:04pm on 04 Sep 2009, floridaRoberto62 wrote:

  In America, it is the parents and society. Many parents have forgotten that a family has to be inclusive. The couples should speak to each other and have mutual respect. Unfortunatly, society in America has been one of discarding things deemed "useless" including life and family. The absence of a spiritual belief has also been a contributing factor. Roberto in Miami Florida.

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• 8. At 3:44pm on 04 Sep 2009, fatmanbat45 wrote:

  Monsters are made.
  These boys behaved like monsters because they were beyond the normative constraints of childhood.Yet, they WERE within the norms of a society fixated with violence and sex.
  A MODERN DICHOTOMY.That is why it is so rare.
  Thank God !
  In even normative extremes such as Nazi Germany behaviour like theirs would of been considered 'criminal'.
  Answers are difficult in a liberal postmodern society.
  We cannot sterilise people.
  So we ( society ) must prioritise the vunerable.
  We fight foreign wars ( and the Axis of Evil) BUT we the people cannot fight the EVIL in our own country.
  We can demonize the 'Other'.But then what about the 'Others' in England?
  Evil dies when love is shown.
  That is why monsters exist because their creator did not love their creation.
  We must give and show love to the children of this country !
  
  

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• 9. At 4:18pm on 04 Sep 2009, muguvi wrote:

  The actions of these chidren can squarely be placed on the way they were brought up. I suspect that:
  
  1. Their parents/guardians are violent or tolerate violence.
  2. They are exposed to violent programs.
  
  
  However they are still young and can be devieted from such violent acts through proper parenting. Let us not blame them.

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• 10. At 11:52pm on 04 Sep 2009, davederrick wrote:

  The parents need to take full control of their childs development. And, dare I say it, dish out punishment when needed. I was given a reasonable spank when I stepped out of line, and now consider myself well disciplined. The PC brigade would not allow physical discipline these days.

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• 11. At 05:07am on 11 Sep 2009, Tempus Fugit wrote:

  I go with MSg1 - my parents, although divorced, both took interest in my upbringing and ensured discipline, as did my schools. Government didn't try to micromanage peoples lives and parents didn't abdicate their responsibilities to the nanny state. If you said "boo" to a goose, the head may well call your parents in to witness you taking the cane across the palm of your hand (well, that was the drill at my school).
  
  It seems the more the government has interferred and the more the bleeding hearts have lobbied, the more trouble we've ended up with.

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