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(Image credit: AP Photo/Glamour/Walter Chin)
On Breakfast on Friday we're talking to model Lizzie Miller after this pic caused controversy because it showed her with a small roll of tummy fat. Shelagh's been chatting to her about the fuss.
You can also talk to Lizzie on Victoria's programme - she'll be taking your calls.
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Personally, and within reason of course, I'm not too concerned about that part of a womans anatomy. The other more interesting bits are covered ;-)
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I think she's a far sight better looking than the stick thin, airbrished twiglets we usually see paraded through magazines. With psychological issues around weight and eating disorders on the rise, it's about time we started seeing ordinary women with lumps, bumps and curves shown as role models rather than computer generated figures that the normal girl can never in a million years hope to achieve.
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This is a lovely picture of a beautiful woman. I'm sure clothes look good on her too. In fact the anorexic looking supermodels don't look so good, in my opinion and as others have said, give young girls a false impression of what it means to be beautiful.
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A very attractive woman with a bit of a roll of fat!!! who cares..... this is prob ure average looking womans figure anyway....makes people like me feel normal...surely that was the aim?
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she looks great and i would like to see more plus size models!! the stick thin ones actually dissaswade me from buying the product they are advertising along with them looking ill. haley lakenheath suffolk.
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At last..... natural beauty! I think models AND designers should take a leaf out of her book to be honest, look at how much healthier she looks!..I'm a size 12 and I'm not as lean as her but doesn't make me feel half as bad about my stretchmarks or my tummy rolls .... :) Good on her is yu ask me :)
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I think she looks amazing! the shot is tasteful and shows the true female form. Although some models are naturally thin airbrushing still remains within the industry. This picture represents more of the population than the images we see in fashion magazines.
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Ladies, here is a little secret, if you ask most men they actually prefer a fuller rounder figure. Personally I find stick thin 'size zero' women a turn off. As a male I find the photo lovely, as a photographer myself, I have to say that the photo is great. It has captured Lizzies natural charm and the impression you get from the photo is that Lizzie is a charming fun loving person. It is a very flattering photo and I am sure Walter Chin is rightfully proud of the image he has captured. I would go further to say that there should be a ban on air brushing in advertising, it creates an illusion of a perfect world and gives young women impossible examples to try and follow. Lets be honest about life, about ourselves, celebrate our imperfections and acknowledge that this is what makes us all unique and wonderful.
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I agree that girls shouldn't be stick thin or air brushed to be models. I can't stand how they advertise make up and spot creams on girls with perfect faces but...I don't think that her stomach is attractive at all!
She has a beautiful face but thats it really. I think modelling is a profession. You go into it to be a human advert not an image for the world to aim to be like! People take it all too seriously.
Fair play to her for trying to make a difference in the superficial world of fashion but it wont work....this so called Perfection sells!!
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Hi,
This is my first blog on R5 and it is due to the photo on the R5 website ( FEMALE MODEL "photo") which i came across by chance.( I was looking for info on the PM's speech about Afghanistan).
My comments are thus :
The picture is a complete simulation through media manipulation.
What we have is a woman who is shot to look like she is caught in a "natural" pose i.e. naked. But she is not natural.SHE is the latest object of capitalist exploitation(A little bit of fat to look more real).Look closer people and you will see.
wendymann is right.
Why should our brave serviceman fight for a cause in Afghanistan when we in the West use our own women for profit and then send boys to kill the 'Other' so that their country is re-modelled and re-placed so women can have rights ?! Rights to be a commodity ?
NO
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Wow, a real woman! It's really refreshing to see especially as a young mum you feel the pressure to lose weight quickly if there were more ad's with "real" women in I think people would feel far more confident in themselves instead of keep putting themselves down.
Lizzie, you look fantastic!
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Good point of view fatmanbat45.
I like it!!!
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Have you all gone mad !
The photograph is a SIMULATION.
It is not real. It is not a picture of YOU.
It is not a real woman.It is a fabrication of reality.
The person who shot the photograph is an accomplice in the PERFECT CRIME.
Are you really that naive!?
She is not a REAL WOMAN.
You are !
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Fatmanbat45. You have issues which i dont think relate to this picture.
For what its worth, i think she looks great, but her little belly roll doesnt seem to fit in with the rest of her body which seems quite slim !
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I personally think she looks great. Much rather see more pictures like this than any of the "supermodels" who just look like freaky sticks that have managed to hobble around somehow.
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fatmanbat45 what on earth are you babbling about! Sure the picture is posed even an idiot can see that. That's all it is though. It's not a part of an evil capitalist plot to take over the world. If anything it's probably just a lame attempt to get her or the photographer more publicity. Which has worked it seems.
As for natural photos, even many seemingly natural photos may come from a set of hundreds. The editor may pick the one which fits in with the story or whatever they're trying to sell. That in a sense is also fabricated. It may portrait a fleeting image that can never be reproduced again.
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Sparktzer. Dead right, everyone knows the famous picture of Bobby Moore held aloft with the world cup, but if you see the film footage he was up there for about 2 seconds, the photographer just got lucky. The camera never lies, well maybe not, but it can certainly tell a very good story.
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This lady is hot! What's her number?
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May be ignorant but would not be happy if i had a belly like that!!!
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A small roll of tummy fat cause a storm in the states!!!!!!!!!!! Shocking cos i'm so used to seeing Americans with five giant tyres of tummy fat hanging all over the show!! I think Lizzie Miller looks stunning!! and it's nice to see a non air brushed picture.
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I think she looks totally fab and who's to say, that tiny little roll isn't a result from having children? My child is 6 and i still have a little belly from it. She looks completely avarage and we need to see more women with curves, lumps and bumps on the runway!
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Models are supposed to be the ideal. That’s their job. While eating disorders can be problems, the larger problem (pun intended) is the growing numbers of overweight and obese people. People need to just move on if they can’t obtain a model’s physique. I can’t play professional football, so what, I’m doing OK. Should we somehow try to lower the standards of our athletes so less children’s dreams are crushed when they don’t make a professional team? Lizzie Miller is not a bad looking woman, but that roll of fat isn’t helping her.
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Hello Hello Hello
reality calling !
The photograph is not real.Lizzie Miller does not exist in this picture.She is not in the picture.The picture is a construct of 'Lizzie Miller'. it is a simulacra of Lizzie Miller.
There is no 'roll of fat'.There is no 'woman' in this picture.
It is a conspicuously artificial design for the consumption of the classless masses.
Enjoy !
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At last, a normal looking person with an normal extra wobbly bit. So refreshing to see. She is a beautiful woman, put the photoshop away.
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People who think stick-thin women, who look more like young girls, are an asiprational look for all women need to seriously reconsider their outlook. The form of the natural woman should be celebrated, not concealed by the self appointed "leaders" of the media.
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I've always been a fan of plus-size models! There's a great site with lots of images of plus-size models here:
http://www.judgmentofparis.com
They're all gorgeous.
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A roll of tummy fat can cause a storm in this country? You mean the kind of storm that can be whipped up with permanantly "outraged of Cheltenham" columnists in some media outlets. What is real - outrages them?
I am outraged by being told falsity is what we - or perhaps those younger than me - should all aspire to. Ms Robinson grinning at me - the formerly known as Ms Katie Price and any number of so called WAGs and their Beaus.
Rubbish, FiveLive. The woman looks fine. I plan to go back and confirm same! lol
I was thinking I was outraged though this morning. But it is probably just pique.
No offence to the man - but what made the sports news on your channel was one win - in at least 14 rides by one senior jockey. Ok, selfishly - I had a wager on the previous 13 nags but - was that really worthy of a sports item?
And back to a storm maybe. See below for evidence that storms are caused by all the wrong things in Great Britain.
Subject: Enjoy every slip and slurp of that - I may as well have written to father Christmas
Anagram: POTUS slaveholder tyranny - JP fie – American family set - show that Walter thrives
The BNP? Gawd! Let me outta here!
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Great girl.
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Richard:
I have no problems with this picture...Since, it was on BBC World Have Your Say on BBC WS....
=Dennis Junior=
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I have been told many times by men that they prefer plumper women. One rather rudely said boney little things did not attract him. We, however, are not here merely to look attractive.
Is the unhealthy skinny childish waif look pandering to or encouraging paedophilic tendancies?
These half-starved models are just as much fashion victims as we who buy the lastest styles, however I prefer the cheaper, ethical option of second hand clothes and you can bring more originality and self expression to your dress sense.
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Part of this story annoys me, a normal looking woman is news? Kinda depressing.
She is looking not only very attractive, but also.....dare I say.....happy? Intentionally so I guess but still, a nice change. Most models I see gracing the pages of various magazines look, well, dour? 'Cheer up and eat some pies' I find myself thinking.
Good on her, good on the magazine editors/columnists, good on the readers and good on Lizzie!
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I think this is fine, but I don't agree with other people saying that women without rolls of fat are not beautiful.
If people want normal people to be modelling in magazines, then there would be a lot of fat (no offence) people in them, which would say to the general public that it's acceptable to be fat.
This however I have no problem with, I bet when she stands up, it will even out nicely.
:)
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I do not understand why people go to another extreme when comparing the seize of this model. Why do we have to compare the seize of this model with a size 0 or an anerorexic woman. Why not comparing it with a model who is not anorexic with a healthy weight and a nice tummy - there are loads of them. Yes, that model on this image is a beautiful woman but lets be honest - not a woman with an adorable or healthy looking tummy and weight. Displaying overweight women in order to avoid aneroxia is not a solution. It could be even dangerous. In a time where obesity and unhealthy eating habits are a problem, images like that can easily support this development and not motivate people to take care of their size. I think, we should always see the downside before being too enthusiastic about ads like these ones. Thank you.
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has the mysoginist fatmanbat45 ever thought about doing something constructive with his life... like getting one?
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I think she looks fat...nice fat though
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My sort of womanly figure - an hour glass with plenty of sand....
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This is obviously a a beautiful photo of a beautiful woman, the part that shocks me is that she is referred to as plus sized! .. I'd be surprised if she is more than a size 10 or 12 and to me looks slim! It really does seem that we have problems classifying womens sizes, the so called normal sized models appear boney and excessively skinny to me, not a good look! ... and this lady, who I would say is on the slimmer side of normal, is being referred to has plus sized .. what is going on! :S
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Wow .. a REAL woman, Lizzie. And a beautiful one too. Cool !
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I can't imagine a better looking piece of fat !! She looks fab... and that's not a spelling mistake !!
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First this is a excellent image of a real women who is both gorgeous and confident. As a photographer, she is a shining example of what a real woman is and not the preconceived/photo shopped fantasy girls of modeling magazines. I wish more real women would model. We as media professionals have an ethical duty to preserve all of the beauty in our world and not just a marketable portion.
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What that little bit tells me is that she feels wonderfully soft and delightful to the touch. and She looks beautiful.
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Not fat at all. Gorgeous more like it. The skinny look just isnt attractive to a vast majority
of males. She's just about perfect actually
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I am taking the plunge....
Firstly, slim women are not automatically unhealthy. In fact, most slim women are at a much less risk to heart disease or diabetes...knee crumbling etc.... than overweight ones!
My wife is slim - she works hard and is a personal trainer part time too. She is healthy and the side-effect is she looks great.
By far the majority of men double take with appreciation on slim women not fat ones. FACT.
The problem with "us" meaning us humans, is that we are generally lazy and "pressure" from people that have achieved, whether they are slim or great parents or financially successful or have generally excelled in their lives, is that it puts pressure on the lazy ones to DO something about it and get off the couch and turning off x-factor (ie watching other people DOING something about it!!!)
Fat models would only lower the bar and absolve overweight people of their responsibility to themselves to stay slim and healthy. So I am not surprised to see so many comments supporting this photo… As usual everything taken to extreme she is a little overweight maybe, but give a lazy obese person an inch and they will take a mile and proclaim laziness and complacency about their health is now “acceptable” instead of being honest to themselves and realize the facts and DO something about it for a longer more healthy, productive life.
I understand why people don’t like seeing perfection as it can get a bit fanatical but I would rather a world where we can aspire to success in every and anyway rather than stagnate into a world of mediocrity or even worse, depravity. It all comes down to behaviour and REALLY caring for yourself and being honest to yourself.
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What I have drawn from this list of comments(with due respect to positive intentions) is mostly this :
> the most important consideration a woman could have is (still) the good opinion of a man, at least, according to men;
>people are, naturally enough, only able to respond from their own perspective,
ie Drew #47 with the fitness enthusiast parter (I wonder why she's like that?) assuming its laziness that would give a woman stomach fat (not kids for example);
ie Drew saying that blokes respond to skinny women; Sil665Hants #8 saying blokes respond to fuller figures;
ie the disturbing fatmanbat45 assuming we are blind to the mechanisms of the modern world and only he can see the light;
>An attempt to protray unmodified images of a person's body in the media is seen as sensational, thus revealing how controlled our exposure really is.
I like it when something like this happens; its a chance to see what preconceptions exist, and perhaps stimulate some alternative thinking.
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Absolutely gorgeous - a lot of women have tummies like this after having a baby and I think it's great that Lizzie is happy to have herself photographed as a natural rather than air-brushed beauty. 99.9% of us don't conform to the freakish stereotypical skeletal image portrayed as 'aspirational' across much of the media!
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There is nothing quite like a naked woman to make a page full of comments!
But as it happens, as a man I too think she is gorgeous. I don't like these skinny women who think they are hot just because they fit some fabricated and completely false image of real people. They can go to hell.
If she is a plus size then I will have a plus size everyday :)
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I really think we should put more women like her in ads and on the catwalks of the world. There is only a minority of women who can wear size 0. I really think that there should be some kind of legislation on airbrushed photos, so many young girls aspire to something which is entirely unrealistic and pure fantasy.
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