- 24 Jun 08, 05:36 PM
Here's a reminder of question number 10, followed by Keith Hackett's answer
On Tuesday You Are The Ref creator Paul Trevillion gave us this special bonus question:
Question
A goalkeeper is having a nightmare game. He has let in two very soft goals, but his team are hanging on to a 3-2 lead with five minutes remaining.
They concede a penalty. If the spot-kick is scored it is likely to mean extra-time.
It's a poor penalty, fired straight at the goalkeeper. But the keeper then spills it and the penalty taker runs on to it in an attempt to put the rebound in the net. The goalkeeper also goes for the ball and dives, but makes contact with the opponent before touching the ball.
Here is the situation:
A: The penalty taker claims another penalty
B: The penalty taker's captain insists the goalkeeper has denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity so it should be another penalty and the goalkeeper must be sent off
C: The goalkeeper's manager runs on to the field and says it is not a sending off as the goalscoring opportunity is still valid as it is another penalty
D: The manager then insists he will substitute his goalkeeper before the second penalty is taken
E: The penalty taker's captain insists the manager should be sent to the stands the moment he ran onto the pitch, therefore you must disregard all of his comments
You are the ref - what do you do?
Keith Hackett's answer
A: It is another PENALTY KICK. One of the TEN direct free-kick offences is when a player has made contact with an opponent before touching the ball.
B: It's up to the referee to decide if the foul has denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity (DOGSO). The law states that it "denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal". So it has to be OBVIOUS and the opponent must be moving towards the player's goal. If the ball has gone to the side, it is unlikely to be DOGSO so in that case there would be no red card.
C: The referee will not base his decision on the fact that another penalty kick is an OGSO. And a manager should never run on to the field of play. The referee would immediately order the manager off the field and into the stands.
D: The goalkeeper can be substituted before the second penalty kick is taken, provided the team have not used up their permitted number of substitutes.
E. The referee will automatically ignore any comments made by the manager and base his decisions on what he has perceived himself.
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Okay, how about this one;
Two players from opposing teams are jostling for the ball over by the corner flag. The defending team's captain feels his team-mate has been fouled and is demanding a free kick. When you fail to award one, the player, who is standing in his own penalty area, begins to hurl profanities at you.
What do you do?
This one was on my refereeing exam, so I expect everyone to get it!
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Melksham_gooner
I would wait for the ball to go out of play and then caution the player for dissent warning him if he continues he will be dismissed.
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Play would be stopped and he would be dismissed for OFFINABUS and play would restart with an indirect free kick to the opposition from where the ball was when play was stopped - in this case by the corner flag.
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OK, what if a player punches another player, because of something that he said. Neither you nor your linesmen saw anything, but there is a bruise on the victim's face. Can you penalize the player for something that no officials witnessed?
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Stop play and book the captain for SLAGENDAREF and restart with a drop ball
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Here's a question:
You're refereeing at Turkey-Switzerland, when Tuncay and Eren Derdiyok collide on the ball and Tuncay goes down. There's no foul, and Derdiyok helps Tuncay to his feet- but then Tuncay says something to him in Turkish and Derdiyok is suddenly livid.
You speak absolutely no Turkish- Derdiyok (and of course Tuncay) are fluent speakers. Derdiyok says to you that Tuncay just used unbelievably foul language of the sort that would have got him a straight red had it been in English, but Tuncay maintains that he was saying "thank you". What do you do?
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Hi Mr Hackett
Thanks for answering all of the questions asked, the answers have been very helpful.
Here's my conundrum:
It's 1-0 to Spain against Russia in the last few minutes, with the game swinging end-to-end. Russia have a corner which is cleared but passed back to Arshavin who looks certain to score, unfortunatly the referee accidentally elbows him in the face knocking him off balance. The Russia players surround you complaining that you have denied them a goal, what do you do?
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Having consulted your assistant you both concur and you have booked a player for simulation and awarded a free-kick to the opposing team when he points out to you the gash on his leg and the replay being shown in which the player is clearly fouled.
A. Do you rescind the card and award the free kick the other way?
B. Do you rescind the card but allow the origonal free-kick to be taken?
C. Do you allow both the free-kick and booking to stand?
D. Do you allow both the free-kick and booking to stand and give the player a second booking for argueing with the Ref?
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A centre forward is on a mazy run toward goal, he has beaten at least 4 players before unleashing a screamer of a shot from 30yrds. The ball strikes the cross bar bouncing directly up in the air, on the ball's return to earth, the ball bounces a number of times upon the crossbar before finally coming to rest actually on the crossbar itself.
The referee stands staring in amazement, surrounded by players from both sides and without raising his whistle to his lips is dumbfounded as to what he should do next. As the ball is neither in play or out of play what is it?
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6 - I call over a Turkish player who was not near the dispute, and ask him to say "thank you." If it sounds like what Tuncay said, I yellow card Derdiyok for unsporting behavior. Otherwise, red for Tuncay.
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No 9
Do the lottery - it's that sort of day.
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A general comment about the "You are the Ref Answer" portion of the website.
All these questions have been very educational and the answers have been spot on. As a coach the one key point towards the referee's position in all calls is the one unwritten rule that starts all rules and that is:
IN THE OPINION OF THE REFEREE ...
Yes the rules are written and we must all follow them the this statement is so true there opinion of what foul took place may differ from your but there's is the final call.
Job well done by all in the game and the referees position is one that is thankless at the best of times.
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Germany vs Turkey. A long punt forward forward from Metzelder sees Rustu come to the edge of the area to punch the ball clear. However, in doing so he falls over, leaving an open goal, and the ball falls to the feet of Ballack. Ballack hits it cleanly and the ball goes in, but clips your feet on the way through.
Ballacks shot seemed to be on target, and there were no defenders close enough to prevent the goal. The Germans are adamant that the goal should stand, as your 'touch' failed to make a difference, but the Turks claim this to be irrelevant, and the goal cannot stand. What do you do?
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1: Well a couple of ways you could handle it really. Either wait for the ball to go out of play and then show the red card to the captain and restart play normally.
Or stop play, show the red card to the captain, and restart with an indirect free kick to the opposing team in the penalty area.
4: Simply put, no. What if he got that bruise from tripping or having the ball hit his face at some point?
6: I'd say that you have to actually of heard what he said, first off. Second, if you can, ask one of your linesmen what the phrase/word means. If no one knows you can't send the player off just on his opponent's say so.
7: Stuff happens =/
8: I think this will help:
"The referee may only change a decision on realising that it is incorrect
or, at his discretion, on the advice of an assistant referee, provided that
he has not restarted play or terminated the match."
Choice A I suppose. In fact I think something sort of similar to this happened during a Quarter-Final match, though I can't remember which one. The ref seemed to issue a yellow card, then consulted with his linesman and rescinded it, and awarded a kick in the opposite direction.
9: Interesting. The ball I suppose is still technically in play... but no one can really get it. I say just watch the goalie jump up and grab it.
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This is one that happened to me when I was standing in as ref on one of my team's games when there was no available ref.
Before the game, I said to both linesmen (each one a sub from their own team) that if they flagged for offside, and there was no-one active, I would give them the 'thumbs-up' to acknowledge it and play on. A ball is played over the top off the defence, and the lino flags. As no one is running on to the ball, I give the thumbs up signal. The 'keeper has gone to collect the ball, which has not gone out of play, and then throws it to his captain playing at centre back. The centre back, who was the last defender, catches the ball inside the area, and puts it down to take the free kick.
Do you give a penalty for handball, or allow the free kick to be taken?
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12: Amen.
13: I assume that what you're saying is that Ballack's shot is going in, you are in an offside position, and it brushes you on its way into the goal?
If thats the case then the Turks are correct. No goal. Offside. Get the heck outta the way next time.
"Interfering with play means playing or TOUCHING the ball passed or
TOUCHED by a team-mate."
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15: Eh. It'd depend on the situation really I suppose, especially at a level where you seem to be reffing your own game.
Technically speaking, you could give a penalty, but in this kind of game and since there wasn't anyone running on to the ball and I assume that after the GK recovered the opposing side was clearing out I'd just let play continue, and give the captain a stern talking to, and penalize him if he does it again.
Though I suppose an official answer might be different. =)
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The home team's striker is clearly standing 15 yards offside while his teammates pass the ball around the back. The defending away team have pushed upfield as the ball is deep in their opponents half. The home team's right winger is standing on the right touchline, and appears to have little interest in moving or getting involved in the game.
Suddenly the right back fires the ball strategically against an oncoming player and the ball ricochets off the field, close to where the winger is standing. Instantly the home ball boys give him a ball and he delivers a long throw to the striker upfield, who finds himself 15 yards ahead of the defence and through on goal. He duly scores.
The away side are furious. They argue the move was planned and thus the offside striker was interfering with play prior to the throw on being taken. They also complain about the speed at which the ball was delivered by the ball boys. Can the goal be disallowed?
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18. I almost certainly imagine that it is a trick designed to circumvent the rules of the game, and a yellow card or two for unsportsmanlike conduct would be in order.
But it'd be bloody hilarious to watch. :D
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Here is what must be an easy one but I've wondered about it for ages:
The keeper legtimately picks up the ball in his area. He stuffs the ball up his shirt and runs the length of the pitch into the opposition goal. What do you give?
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the goalkeepers really fancies a toffee crisp and i go out and put on the kettle, what does the referee do?
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Here's one. A corner is awarded and the usual jostling is going on. Before the corner is taken (ie ball out of play), a defender punches the centre forward, knocking him to the ground. The referee sends off the defender for violent conduct. How is the game restarted?
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18:
It'd be tough to prove intent. I doubt the goal would be disallowed. IITOOTR!
20: Free kick to the opposing team, possibly a yellow for the GK. Akin to a field player trapping the ball between his chest and chin and running the length of the field.
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In the final.
Both teams have fought a highly entertaining and memorable 3-3 draw including 2 goals in a grueling extra time period with the last equalizer being virtually the last kick of the 120minutes.
During the latter part of the game numerous players have had to receive treatment for cramp and the walking wounded head into penalties.
A couple of saves each in the regulation penalties ensure that the teams enter sudden death locked at 3 a piece. The lower end of the order hold their nerve and make it 6-5 when a player approaches to take his penalty.
Once in the penalty area as he prepares to take the penalty his leg cramps up and he falls to the ground seeking treatment in a clearly distressed state.
a) Is he allowed to receive treatment and for how long
b) and should he fail to recover do you blow the final whistle and end the game or is the team allowed to replace the kicker at this stage?
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here's one..
A team gains a throw in about one-third of the way into their opponents half.
One of their midfielders goes to retrieve the ball and picks it up whilst off the field.
However, in the meantime another midfielder has retrieved a ball from a ball-boy and takes a quick throw-in, catching the opponents of-guard, and from which they score.
The opposing manager is livid, pointing out the deception involved however - the player retrieving the original ball was off the field of play, as was the ball, so surely they have no obligationj
to use that particular ball??
do they?
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tuncay replaces his teamate in goal in the closing seconds of the turkey vs croatia game. the game went into extra time could he have been substituted for their 2nd goalie off the bench?
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I follow Haverfordwest County (HCFC) in the Welsh Premiership. This scenario happened in their final home of the season and led top them winning the game 1 - 0 against Welshpool (WFC):
1. HCFC are awarded a corner which is headed towards goal but misses so WFC are awarded a goal kick
2. Both sets of players retreat out of the penalty area for the coming goal kick except the goal keeper , to take the kick , and WFCs right full back who retreives the ball from the against the hoarding just behind the goal, runs back on , places the ball for his keeper, and runs forward towards the 18 yard line.
3. The keeper, whilst his full back gets the ball, goes behind the goal line ready to run up and take his kick and has already sstarted his run up when the ball is placed by the full back.
4 The keeper kicks the ball before the full back has exited the penalty area and it hits the heel of the full back , again before he has left the penalty area.
5. Having hit the heel of the full back, the ball goes back over the dead ball line.
What is the decision of the referee, (a) a retaken goal kick (because a goal kick has to leave the penalty area) or (b) a corner (as the last player to touch the ball was a defender)
I (and a county referee in the crowd behind me) was surprised when the referee awarded a corner. I was also delighted when the corner was headed in for HCFCs winning goal, but I still think the correct decision should have been a retaken goal kick
Please advise
Best Regards - SpittalRed
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Ok how about if a player was having a nightmare game and the player then gets provoked by a supporter in the stand and so smashes the ball towards the fans only for a player in his team to block it. Would it be a booking or would he get away scot free?
Or a player comes to a game with very large hair which appears to give him an advantage over other players. For example a player might have gelled his hair to stand up a few inches so he can head the ball. Do you demand it to be cut or is it totally legal?
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re 26. all subs had been used
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Wow thats a terrible call with a terrible result. The kick is retaken. The ball isn't even considered in play until it clears the penalty area so its impossible to award a corner kick as a result.
"the ball is in play when it is kicked directly beyond the penalty area"
"If the ball is not kicked directly into play beyond the penalty area:
• the kick is retaken"
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#9
The ball is OUT of play when it breaks the plane of the line OTHER than in the goalmouth itself, where it must cross entirely over the line before it is deemed to have left the field of play.
Being atop the crossbar, the ball has clearly broken the plane delimiting the field of play, and (having been last struck by an attacker) a goal kick is awarded.
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How about this for one.
Russia V Spain, winner plays a heavily depleted Turkey side in the final.
Andrei Arshavin crosses it in, and the keeper collides with Pavlyuchenko. It was a fair challenge so you wave play on. The ball is cleared, and Semshov cracks one from 30 yards which takes an extremly slight deflection off of you, which you do not notice. It goes in and you immediately get all of the Spanish players and your assistent referrees telling you that it hit you. But you did not feel anything.
What do you do?
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What?! No..... Thats simply not right at all.
A) Where are you getting this breaking the plane nonsense from?
B) There is no special rule for the goal mouth. The whole of the ball must cross over the whole of the line no matter which line its crossing.
"The ball is out of play when:
it has wholly crossed the goal line or touch line whether on the ground or in the air"
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A player is down injured so one of his teammates kick the ball out of play. After the throw in is taken, an opposition player gives them the ball back by kicking it towards their goalkeeper, but he isn't paying attention and the ball goes into his net. Do you allow the goal?
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32: Its a goal. The ref is part of the field. Its a goal even if the ball smacks you right in the face and bounces in.
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34: Yeah, its a goal. If the other team feels bad about it they can allow the other team to score.
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34 - Yes it is a definite goal, - although a sporting gesture would be to allow a goal to be scored straight back from the kick off to equal things up
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cousteau669...you need to read your Laws Of Association Football as Law 9 (Ball in and out of play) clearly states
"The Ball is out of play when:
it has wholly crossed the goal line or touch line whether on the ground or in the air.
Play has been stopped by the referee"
Therefore the ball in the scenario is still technically in play
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Ok here's one for you:
Spain and Russia are playing a brilliant end to end game of football. With the score 0-0 Pavlyuchenko spots Andrei Arshavin next to the last defender, Carles Puyol. Arshavin is currently in a goalscoring position, but he is also offside. Arshavin spots the pass forward from Pavlyuchenko, and attempts to run into an onside position, when Puyol grabs Arshavin and starts kissing him on the lips- prompting Arshavin to join in too. The pair fall on the ground locked arm in arm as the pass comes forward.
As the referee, what do you do? Do you give an offside decision since Arshavin was offside, or do you give a free kick to Russia for a foul?
And do the two players get sent off, booked or get away with blatant kissy action?
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No offside since Arshavin never influenced the play or really attempted to.
Free kick to the Russians for the foul by Puyol and then book both players for unsporting behaviour!
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1. Quick question. How long is aplayer allowed to keep the ball between his legs? I saw in the spain-italy match villa do this for a couple of seconds accidently after it got trapped there before he flicked it to fabregas.
2. Also, would a player be allowed to the skill version of this(the one in fifa 08 that sets you up for a bouncing volley) more than once. if so how many times
3. A proper scenario - Serbia are playing England in the world cup 2010 second round in the last 2 minutes with three minutes of stoppage time to go.
Koller is running up the right wing wing and Rio Ferdinand floats a long pass to him. Crouch controls the ball on his head and starts doing the 'seal'(Kerlon) dribble.
The three closest players are all on yellow cards and do not want to get sent off for fouling Crouch and five other players are on one caution from being banned from a possible quarter final. Two other players have been sent off for Serbia.
Therfore nobody wants to foul Koller and, of course nobody can reach the ball. Serbia have one substitute left and Nikola Zigic(6ft 8) is warming up.
The Serbian Manager is currently arguing with the fourth official about the incident happening whilst two Serbian players are arguing with the two linesmans and the ref is quickly warning one of these players about his aggresive language towards the linesman. None of the officials see Nikola Zigic head the ball off Crouch's head and subsequently thump it into the net(in a split second) before jumping off the pitch. The break in play allows Serbia to bring on Nikola Zigic on which means that Crouch cannot not do the skill again.
Do you
a) give the goal as you did not see the incident but know the ball is in the net
b) give adrop ball as you did not see the incident
c) give an indirect free kick to England on the player/mangers word and send off or caution Zigic.
d) Do not let crouch do the 'trick' in the first place.
e) Plonk the ball back on crouch's head and do not allow Zigic on with there likely not to be another break in play.
f) See that there is just 15 seconds of time left and end the game there and then.
g) other
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Here is my scenario...
You are refereeing a local game in a park, Team A are beating Team B 2-0. Its raining reasonably heavily, but not enough to affect the pitch too much. You hear thunder in the distance. Knowing that this is a danger you think about stopping the game, but dont see any lightning.
The thunder keeps sounding and several of the players from Team B complain that they have seen lightning and they are concerned, but you havent seen any, neither have your assistants and no-one from Team A has complained.
Suddenly Team B decide they have had enough and 5 members leave the field of play, leaving them with 6 players, too few.
Although they have forefitted the game they complain that it was due to a safety risk that wasn't properly dealt with by the referee.
What do you do?
I know what I would do but it would be interesting to hear other peoples inputs.
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Another, possibly better scenario:
A player from Team A is chasing a player from Team B down the wing. The player from Team B makes a sliding tackle from behind but makes contact with the ball before touching the player as he comes slightly from the side.
The player from Team A goes down claiming a free kick and a yellow card for the Team B player, who says that as he touched the ball first it wasn't a foul, even though the tackle was from behind.
What do you do?
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42: Well first you probably should've stopped the game. In the end, especially if its a league game, you simply make your report, note the walk out and the protest, and the league decides from there.
43:
It depends on your interpretation. It doesn't seem like it was a foul: "tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact with the opponent before touching the ball"
However, if in your opinion the tackle endangered the safety of the opponent you show him a red and send him off.
"A tackle, which endangers the safety of an opponent, must be sanctioned
as serious foul play."
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Another one..:)
A goalkeeper and an attacker go up for a cross in the box. They collide with each other and both go down injured. It was an accidental collision, with no free kick either way.
Both need the physios to come on to help them, and they both recover.
My question is this. Does the attacker have to go off the pitch for 10 seconds? This rule usually applies to outfield players, but not to keepers, so what would happen in this situation?
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It's the last match of the group stage in the finals of a major international tournament. Both teams have already qualified for the knockout stage by thrashing the other two teams.
For a laugh, all 22 players decide to spend the whole 90 minutes acting out bizarre and outrageous scenarios from You Are The Ref articles, just to make you look a bit dimwitted.
What do you do?
What if all the players decided to spend the whole match re-enacting famous episodes from football history (e.g. Maradona's Hand-Of-God goal)?
What if both teams and all the fans decided they were happy with a 0-0 draw, and just sat down for a rest?
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#4
I played in a match where something like that happened.
A team-mate was up-ended by a reckless challenge, but managed to shout, "AAARGH! You *u**i** *u**!!" before he hit the dirt. The ref sent him off, but before he left the pitch he showed the ref his shattered shinpad and pointed out that, if it wasn't for the shinpad, it would have been his shin bone that was shattered.
The ref was too much of a *a**e* to reverse his decision before play was restarted.
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#47 jophinejophine
please do not indulge us in what happened in some little football match of yours...this blog is about quality play with quality shin guards....
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A player commits a criminal offence on the pitch - violence, racist abuse or foul language(banned in all grounds) whilst still on the pitch.
A spectator makes a citizens arrest on the player.
What does the referee do?
N.B. This will happen next season.
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tantalus69 why dont you just ask us what will happen if a naked man came running on the pitch? Please keep such small minded scenarios to yourself.....
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Outlaw Torn
Unless you are so fascile, this is what the majority of mature football fans expect to see at some point. We are tired of the following:
1. badly behaved young men who earn millions.
2. badly behaved and foul mouthed fans who constantly flout the laws of this country with racist and abusive comments at games with the excuse "that's all part of football".
3. fascile people, like you and Gary Lineker.
En garde
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Oh and I forgot to mention...
4. An emascualted labour-destroyed police force who won't stand up for themselves at games and enforce the law. They'll arrest nyou for smoking in a ground but won't touch you if you use the f,c, or n word.
Touche
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tantalus please look in the dictionary and tell me if fascile is a word...
and then tell me whether you meant fasile or facile?
then i can amalgamate an appropriate response :)
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47: Foul language is still foul language. There isn't anything to reverse.
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Oh and 49, the ref should've sent the man off for that. The player gets a red, and the referee stops caring what he does or what happens to him other than he has to leave the field.
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tantalus you shouldnt smoke anyway...it kills ;) its worse than foul language....and you shouldnt drink too...so they should arrest you for having a glass of beer too...
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Outlaw Torn
In the words of the great Piccadilly Radio DJ, Alan Beswick,
"Go to bed, you're not old enough."
Bon nuit and check your own dictionary...
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Tantalus69
In the words of the great Coventry Radio DJ, Ian Eisenworth,
"Dont lay eggs where you cant build a nest."
Insanto Milano and dont write what you dont know....
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This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.
Piccadilly is next to the "Go to Jail" square on the monopoly board.....and will remain there forever on the british board.....
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A question.
An attacking winger dribbles the ball and realises that he isn't going to be able to cross the ball. He has noone to pass back to and decides to hold the ball up in the corner. Two defenders approach from behind. The attacking winger dribbles and holds his arms wide for balance. He also maintains a wide stance with his legs more than a shoulder width apart. The defender cannot get around the attacking winger due to his arms and wide stance. He instead pokes the ball, which is not moving and in front of the winger, to a teammate, from behind and through the legs of the attacking winger. As he does so, the attacking winger narrows his stance, makes contact with the defender's boot, and goes down in a heap claiming a tackle from behind.
What does the referee do?
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what happens if an attacking player heads the ball, destined for the top corner (keeper has no chance in hell of getting there) but a bird flies in the way and ''deflects the ball'' out of play. what do you do?
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Keeper is about to punch the ball out. The ball deflates and swerves away from him into the net.
Should the goal be awarded?
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Is there such a thing as a citizen's arrest over there? Wouldn't it be a "subject's arrest"? :)
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15. I can remember a similer incident in a Primier League match a few years ago.
Liverpool Vs. Aston Villa. Linesman flags for offside against a Villa striker, the ref acknowledges the signal but waves play-on because the LP defence is in poccesion. Hypia passes the ball the Kirkland in goal who runs out of his area, picks up the ball and places it down to take a free-kick. Despite the furious protests of the Villa players the referee runs over, informs Kirkland it was play-on, but does not penalise him because he did not relise and had only seen the linos flag.
Now my question.
It is the Semi-final between Turkey and Germany. After another injury, Turkey Veteran keeper Rustu can not play, and the young reserve keeper gets his first cap. After making three good saves in the first 20 minutes, the ball is pumped up field by Lehman, and the young keeper, pleased with his early success, rushes out to collect the ball, but picks it up just out side the penalty area, quickly relises his mistake and drops it again. You blow for a free-kick, and Ballack demands the keeper be sent off for handball, but Altintop says there was no DOGSO, as the nearest German striker was on the halfwayline. Bearing in mind he is young, the Turks have no subs and there was no DOGSO what do you do?
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The law states that it "denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal".
It seems ridiculous that the opponent should have to be moving toward's the player's goal for the foul to be deemed worthy of a red card. If, for example the opponent pokes the ball past the goalkeeper, with what would be an open goal if the goalkeeper did not foul him, it would be stupid not to send the goalkeeper off simply because of the direction the opponent was originally moving. If this is the law then it should be changed. It would be totally unfair if the keeper gets a yellow card for stopping an open goal chance, whereas many players each game get yellow cards for much less cynical fouls. They are obviously not deserving of the same punishment. If a red card cannot be given for the denial of an open goal then it seems silly to give it for anything else.
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65- Free kick and a booking.
You don't get sent off for hand ball (even if it was clearly deliberate) unless it's DOGSO.
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And 65- I've seen many red cards given when the striker pokes the ball around the keeper- provided it looks like the striker will catch up with the ball and put it in the net.
There's no rule about the ball having to be heading towards the goal.
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#64- Yep we are citizens too, even though like canadians we are also subjects :)
#68- Lawro playing Devils advocate for a minute, even if Lehman's punt was going in? In that case the keeper has stopped a goal through handball :)
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How about if a player rounds the keeper, stumbles off the pitch beside the goal. The ball stops just in play by him, all he has to do is step back in play and tap the ball in. But , before he can do this a defender barrels into him and sends him flying! I assume the defender would be red carded but what would be awarded?
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i got a question
but im not sure if it is a refereeing question
but im still going to ask
turkey has only 14 available players including substitutes against germany
what happens if they have less than 11?
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Semi-Final - Germany-Turkey - The match is deadlocked after 120 minutes and you order a penalty shoot-out.
At 1-1 the German goalkeeper, Jens Lehmann, starts singing “Where’er you walk” in D major. You point out that the signature key is B flat. He reminds you that this is the country of Mozart and what do you British know about music?
Meanwhile David Davies and Jacqui Smith have wandered on each seizing an upright. Mr Davies swings initially to the right but then lurches to the left. You remonstrate that no precedent for conduct of this kind can be found in Erskine May and it amounts to moving the goalposts. Ms Smith retorts that as long as there is a level playing field everything is in order and slaps a 42-day detention order on Hamit Altintop.
Do you:
1 Order the parliamentary vote to be retaken?
2 Banish Gordon Brown to the kingdom of Utopia for lessons in how to cheer up?
3 Just say: “B*ggar it” and nip out for a beer?
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I'm not sure why often unnecessary details of what precedes the incident are included in their questions.
For example, Zantair says "and the young reserve keeper gets his first cap. After making three good saves in the first 20 minutes, the ball is pumped up field by Lehman, and the young keeper, pleased with his early success, rushes out to collect the ball, but picks it up just out side the penalty area, quickly relises his mistake and drops it again."
This has no relevance to the incident. It suggests to me that it is thought that pity should be a factor in the referee's decision yet that is completely biased and should not be an option. Referees tend to do this sometimes when a team is thrashing another and he puts less injury time than usual, giving the players less than they deserve and fans less than they paid for. The referee should never be acting differently because of pity to a player or team.
It happens every game also in different ways. The ref doesn't want ot upset the opposition too much and so makes a certain decision. Refs give free kicks when they feel they have given the other team a lot of decisions even if it's wrong. They give yellow cards for fouls when it looks as though it may have have injured someone (often divers) rather than giving it for a bad foul. They commonly give free kicks to goalkeepers when anyone touches them (and sometimes not) possibly so as not to upset the goalkeeper/team when clearly it is not a rule that goalkeepers need extra protection.
Refs tend to even things up if they can and they get away with it because if they make a bad decision they don't have to explain it. If they had to explain like many people do in their own jobs, it they wouldn't be able to because sometimes it is not based on the actual incident. Some decisions are clearly hard to make but this is not an excuse for the majority they make based on unfair factors/evening up the decisions.
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Sorry it doesn’t relate to what is said above but I have a question. We all remember Van Nistelrooy’s goal against Italy when he was played onside by an Italian play on the ground off the pitch.
Here is my scenario. A Holland player goes down injured and lands or crawls off the pitch just like the Italy player did in that incident. He is the only player not on the pitch, and his injury was not caused by a foul. The ball is cleared but then played back in again. All Holland players are onside when the ball is played through.
Common sense would tell you the player off the pitch and injured is not active but if you use the same rational as the Swedish official did for Van Nistelrooy’s goal to stand you would have to say the player off the pitch is active and therefore offside.
Any ideas?
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Its Germany vs Spain Euro 2008 Final.
Its a penalty shootout and the score is 8-8 however Spain have a penalty kick in hand.
11 German players have taken a penalty kick whilst 10 Spanish players have also taken a penalty kick.
Marcos Senna is the last to step up for Spain. As he is about to take the penalty, Marcos Senna recieves some harsh racial abuse from the German fans.
As a result of this Marcos Senna Decides not to take penalty and walks off the pitch.
Do you:
1) Award spain the victory because of the racial abuse.
2) Let Another Spanish player who has already taken a penalty kick to take the kick.
3) Force Marcos Senna to take the penalty kick or
4) Award the kick as a miss and let the penalty shootout go on.
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Only attacking players are active/inactive. Defenders are always active in this situation, thus the goal was allowed.
If the player had had the referee's permission to leave the field for treatment then he would have been deemed inactive and the goal would have been ruled offside.
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During the match a long ball is played over the top, just before this the goalkeeper steps backwards over his line and shouts for offside as the attacker has now only one defender in front of him.
The striker carries on and scores, but the Assistant referee raises his flag for offside.
Do you
1) over rule the Assistant Referee, award the goal and caution the goal keeper for leaving the field of play without permission, or even unsportsmanship (trying to gain an unfair advantage)
2) Award the free kick for offside?
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My suggestion:
Turkey are now at the mercy of their injury-ravaged squad, and during the pre-match warm-up another player is forced to pull out with an injury, and it becomes clear that Turkey have no subsitutes, just 11 players to start with.
With the game in full swing and Germany looking dominant, their manager comes to the touchline brandishing a fax from UEFA, stating they were given permission just before the start of the match to call up one emergency striker who was originally never in the squad that travelled to Austria and Switzerland.
At the same moment, Turkey win a penalty and the manager demands to bring on his emergency substitute to take the penalty - he's just finished tying up his shoelaces.
The Germany manager is incensed, not only at his counterpart's timing but laughing off the fax as too little, too late.
Should the player be allowed to come on?
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Here's one - During a game a player collides with the ref causing him to drop his whistle and be unable to view the game due to minor injury which requires minimal treatment.
As the referee has no whistle, it cannot be blown.
One player is quite badly injured (the one that collided with the ref) and the referee is incapable of controlling the game.
One player from the side with no injuries makes a bad tackle which appears unseen by all officials, this side then goes on to score. Should the goal stand?
(I'm asking this as the above caused my sides relegation from their small timer leage division when it actually happened) - did the ref make the correct decision to allow the goal or should play have stopped earlier?
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Why does my comments not get posted?
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78- I'm pretty sure that can't happen- you're only allowed to use the players on the teamsheet provided to the ref before the game. (ie- one of the team's 23 players)
Unless that guy's on the teamsheet, the player cannot play until the next game.
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No 77 - the goalkeeper has left the field of play without consent and therefore is still part of the game so the player is not offside
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and 79- I think it should stand- the other team can't help it if the ref's dropped his whistle by no fault of his own and not seen the bad tackle.
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This blog thing sucks, just don't understand why my scenario does not get posted. Stupid technology.
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No 74 - the rationale used was the "Interfering with play" - however, if a defender is lying on the ground injured one yard from the goal line then he is not technically able to interfere, however he is technically playing people onside - the "interfering with play" rule only really applies to attackers that are making no attempt to play the ball as if you start changing the rule so that defenders must be interfering then they can all just lie down injured as soon as the ball is played through
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Is it me or has the word 'intent' disappeared from the laws of the game. The question clearly states 'The goalkeeper also goes for the ball'. 'Touching' another player is not an offence - maybe it should be with all the cry babies that are currently playing the game but that's another matter! Obviously you can 'go for the ball' by clattering someone from behind but in that case there is obvious intent to kick the other player out of the way. Surely the answer should be 'play on' and only stop the game when the inevitable riot breaks out!
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67. There have been many occasions in which a goalkeeper has accidentally handled it outside his area and got sent off. Why, I have no idea, doesn't make any sense to me, can anyone explain this?
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I have a question:
Let's say that Turkey beat Germany tonight and progress to the final. However, the Turkish injury crisis has got worse and they only have 9 fit outfield players.
Does this mean that Turkey must forfeit the final? Surely Germany can't take their place as they have just played in the third place pay-off. What happens?
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# 9
I'm surprised you've even asked that question - the ball is clearly still in play!! The whole ball has to cross one of the sidelines for it to be out of play, and this has clearly not happened. So presumably the keeper will wander over and retrieve it.
Of course, it is incredibly unlikely that this would happen. In fact, I reckon the ball would have to be slightly flat for it possibly come to rest on top of the bar. As both the ball and the bar are curved in opposite directions, it is an unstable equilibrium, and even the tiniest force on the ball would send it either onto the roof of the net or back into the goalmouth.
A more interesting question:
If one of the attackers jumps up through the roof of the net and heads the ball back into the goalmouth... is that allowed? I'm guessing it would be.
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How about this...
A player retreats to the left side of his own penalty area under pressure, where he is eventually dispossesed by an excellent sliding tackle. The linesman doesn't raise his flag, but the player goes down, apparently genuinely hurt.
The tackling player, having won the ball, then flights in an early cross, with the rest of the tackled player's defenders still running back towards their own goal. Following the ruling about van Nistlerooy's goal against Italy, the striker positions himself level with the injured player, and nods the cross past the challenging keeper into the net.
To top it all off, the striker, with eyes only for the ball, accidentally catches the keeper with a flailing elbow as they both jump for the ball, leaving him with a bloodied nose.
My question is should the goal be allowed to stand, and has the striker fouled the keeper, given how much protection goalkeepers get in the modern game?
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No.88
There is no third place play off match.
However, I think that this would definately constitute special circumstances and UEFA would allow Turkey to call up a couple of replacement players for the match.
I don't think it would happen because all players on yellow cards up to the quarter finals had these done away with so everybody starting today will still be eligible for the final (provided they don't get sent off or injured) and all those players currently suspended will also be eligible again for the final.
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84. Your scenario is not posted as you are a Gooner and nobody wants to hear a scenario regarding..........
'11 players are playing beautiful football and winning nothing for 3 years due to the managers philosophy of building a perfect team from scratch, do you.....
a) live in the past and say how great Arsenal are
b) say "yeah but we play the best football"
c) tell your manager to take his head out of his behind and buy some decent proven players
Cheers!
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In contrast, LondonGooner 84, The Ref likes my name because it reminds us of a great justice that happened in 2005.
My scenario? A player through on goal gets cruelly chopped by the goalkeeper, but manages to shoot towards the goal anyway.
The ball crosses the line (possibly) before it is kicked away by a bad defender.
The linesperson signals a goal, but the attackers would rather have a penalty and the goalie sent off. The defence tries to persuade the ref it's a goal because they don't want to be down to ten men. Does the ref take the linesman's advice and give a goal?
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93
Depending on the severity of the tackle by the goalie, a goal could still be awarded and goalkeeper sent off.
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What if an asteroid collides with eath and obliterates the town where the game is being played. Do you replay in the other team's town when they have new players?
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What happens if the referee punches a player in the face during a match, will he show himself a red card?
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It is Turkey versus Germany in the Semi-Final of the EURO championships. Germany have a corner.
Bastian Schweinsteiger floats the ball in and Michael Ballack meets it with a powerful header from 6 yards at the near post. The ball heads towards the goal at high speed where it hits Turkey's goal-line defender Semih Senturk direct in the face as he had no time to react. Senturk drops to the floor stunned by the impact. Meanwhile, Arda Turan attempts to clear the ball but he slices it and it arrives kindly to Lukas Podolski waiting at the edge of the 18 yard box. He connects sweetly with the ball on the half-volley and it flies towards the bottom corner. As the ball reaches the goal, Senturk is recovering from his hit-in-the-face clearance. He has his back to pitch and is facing the crowd due to his immediate reaction of turning away from the ball as it hit him in the face. As he pushes himself up off of the ground, the ball strikes his arm and deflects wide. Senturk was on the line as the ball struck his arm and the ball definately would have went into the bottom corner. However, Keith Hackett suggests that only a deliberate handball can be penalised, and this is clearly unintentional. Is a penalty awarded, and is Senturk sent off for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity?
Cheers.
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Should a referee book Germany for being boring?
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If a player is about to take a penalty but during his run up he Spontaneously Self-Combusts into a pile of ash are the team allowed to let a different player take the penalty??
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97, very interesting scenario.
Assuming the referee saw the entire incident I would like to think he would exercise some common sense.
A penalty has to be awarded but I don't think he would send the player off as he couldn't really do anything about it.
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What would happen if a striker is clean through on goal - with only the opposition goalkeeper to beat, chased by two defenders:
Just as the striker prepares to shoot, one of the chasing defenders deliberately trips the other chasing defender, who helplessly falls forward and trips the striker up before he can score.
Is the defender who unintentionally fouled the striker sent off - despite the fact he was 'fouled' by his own teammate? Or is the other defender penalised for instigating the foul?
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Suggestion:
It's the final between Germany and Russia. 10 minutes to go, Russia lead 2-0 and are on the attack for a third. At the other end of the field, Akinfeev (not having had much to do all night) decides to entertain the German fans behind his goal who are having a miserable night. He begins to do some chin ups on the bar then starts dancing to the songs from the russian fans around the stadium, he decides to step off the field of play and using one of the spare balls starts performing tricks.
The Assistant Referee hearing the boos turns and notices what Akinfeev is doing and brings it to the Referee's attention. As the Referee becomes aware of the situation, Russia score. What does the Referee do?
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What if the referee in a old firm match removes his shirt to celebrate a Rangers goal (it frequently happens). Should he book himself???
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Striker takes the ball around 'keeper, but over plays the ball. In order to stop the ball going out for a goal kick, he places his foot on the ball, but in doing so loses his balance and just falls over the dead ball line.
Is he permitted to kick the ball, which is only a matter of inches from the line in an attempt to score or centre for a team mate ?
What if this were done in the same movement as crossing the line, so that in effect his foot - but only his foot was still on the pitch when he kicked the ball goalward ?
What if only half of him went over the dead ball line, could he then play the ball with the part of him that was still on the pitch ( either his head or feet ) ??
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105- of course he can kick the ball. He's still part of play even though he's off the pitch.
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97- no penalty. He didn't deliberately handle the ball.
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I never knew that "the opponent must be moving towards the player's goal" was in the DOGSA rule. What is it with football's law-makers????
Van Nistelrooy attempts to dribble the ball around Jens Lehman about 12 yards out and to the right of the penalty area.
Lehman gets a hand to the ball and knocks it sideways towards the penalty spot as RVN runs past him towards the 6 yard box without the ball.
As both players change direction to try and get to the ball, Lehman stumbles, RVN is obviously going to get to the ball first and will have an easy tap in into an empty net.
But on his way to the ground, Lehman reaches out and executes a perfect tap tackle on RVN's ankle and a defender rushes back to clear.
RVN was running directly away from goal at the time the foul was committed. No red card for Lehman despite the denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity? LOL!
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97 - penalty, but no sending off. In fact not even a booking.
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Ok, daft but you never know...
It's injury time during a crucial game which is tied. A midfielder rifles a hellava shot which the keeper has no chance of saving, but milliseconds later the ground (maybe the ref:)is struck by lightening forcing everyone to be briefly stunned with some players collapsed.
What happens if the ref's also collapsed but the the ball's in the net?
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97:
No call, despite all the howling you're going to hear from Germany fans/bench. The rules VERY EXPRESSLY state that it must be a DELIBERATELY HANDLED BALL.
Quite frankly, I think a penalty should be called, but the rules are the rules. Play on.
103: Give a yellow to the keeper while the ball is dead, goal for Russia.
105: He can play the ball, its fine.
108: Definately PK, and at a bare minimum a yellow for unsporting behaviour. Technically to be a sending off offense the opponent has to be moving towards the player's goal.
Though the law seems a bit contradictory to me because under the section that lists criteria used to determine if something is DOGSO, it doesn't say that.
But I suppose the law means it has to be both DOGSO AND moving towards the goal... which seems dumb to me.
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93: If the ref agrees with the linesman and still awards a goal then he can still send the GK off for SERIOUS FOUL PLAY ONLY.
If the GK was going to be sent off for DOGSO he can NOT be sent off, only cautioned, as a goal was actually scored.
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65: Just a free kick. A kid made a mistake, no reason to bring out the book. You could probably technically send him off for DOGSO, but it'd be stupid, and I'd be surprised if you were asked to ref any more tourny matches.
69: Yeah but he would've gotten it anyway. Another IITOOTR. See above.
77: Play on, yellow the GK at the next stoppage for either of those two offences.
78: Sure.A substitution can be made during a stoppage in play (i.e. the penalty kick). Generally you have to announce subs before the game, but considering they just got a fax, he should be allowed to play.
After all, whats the point of sending a fax like that after the game started if the player won't be allowed to play?
79: Toss up really. IITOOTR the player is badly injured, he should stop play immediately. If the ref thinks he's only slightly injured, play on.
86:
I somewhat agree. However the rule states a direct free kick is awarded if: "tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact with the opponent before touching the ball"
However, the problem I have with KH's decision on this scenario is that the goalie WASN'T tackling an opponent, he was diving on top of the ball.
Maybe I'm splitting hairs... but I say play on depending on how exactly it looks.
88: You can play with 9 fit outfield players.
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Can anyone advise why it is OK for Ronaldo to stop during his penalty run up. I was under the impression that once the run up had begun the player had to carry on going forward or the penalty was invalid.
It was pretty funny in the Champions League final when he mucked it up.
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108: Surely has to be a sending off despite running away from goal.
110: Match abandoned if loads of players are collapsing, after being eloctrocuted!
If it's not that serious, and say its just the referee who's collapsed, then maybe he can give it, if the linesman saw what happened, as long as he's ok to keep refereeing. If all 3 officials were taken out then that surely has to be match abandonned!
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It's the final of Euro 2008 and the score is tied at 2-2 with Spain winning a corner in the 89th minute. Casillas runs up the pitch and waits in the box to help his team. The ball is cleared powerfully by the opposition's defender and it looks to be heading to the open goal (albeit rather slowly). Thing is - a Spain fan darts onto the pitch and kicks the ball away from the open goal.
What now?
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P.S. The ball was in the 6-yard box; it wasn't going wide.
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Why did the referee rescind a second yellow card to the Russian player?. Bearing in mind the ref has jurisdiction over the players at all times, regardless of whether the ball is in play or otherwise.
The ref decided to book the Russian, and it makes no difference at all if the ball is in play or otherwise.
The game was restarted with a goal kick?.
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114: Ha. I was so glad when me missed it. He probably would've had to retaken if even if he had made it though.
116: Drop ball. Everyone is always asking these random interference questions and the answer is always the same.
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Seems to be some sort of website problem...posts simply not being accepted
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Here's one...
With Torres bearing down on goal, the Russian keeper rushes (no pun intended) out to him and makes a great save at his feet. The ball rebounds out towards the edge of the penalty box towards another Spainish player (attacker), the keeper runs out to meet him but the attacker rounds him to shoot. When he does, only Torres and the defender are in front of the ball. Torres on the six yard line and a defender on the goal line. The shot is poor and the ball is cleared off the goal line by the "last" defender, but drops to Torres who slots it into the net.
What's the decision here?
I know the answer... so many people don't realise exactly what would happen and why due to misconception of the Law.
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So Torres is in an offside position when his friend shoots the ball? Collecting the rebound and slotting it home is still offside. Free kick to the Russians.
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114 - I have no idea, I keep asking the same question myself. I was under the impression that the run up had to be one continuous movement. Although by the same token, goalies are almost always slightly off their line when a penalty is taken.
122 - obvious offside.
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It's a penalty shootout in the European Championships Final. Both Germany and Spain have scored 4 goals and Michael Ballack steps up to take the fifth penalty. He hits the ball hard to the left of the keeper. The keeper guesses the right direction but is diving late. The ball cannons off the post and hits the keeper on the back, bouncing into the goal.
Germany 5, Spain 4.
Cesc Fabregas steps up for the fifth Spanish penalty. He hits it straight at Lehmann, who doesn't move. The ball hits him square in the chest and bounces high up and down into the six yard box. Fabregas is on his knees. Lehmann is jubilant. He turns, pumping his fist, celebrating with the crowd behind the goal. The ball, having stopped bouncing rolls up next to him and without thinking, he thumps it into the goal.
What's the score?
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Germany 5, Spain 4. Game over. Though a referee could rule a goal. Law 14 states that the referee decides when the penalty kick has been completed. However imho it really shouldn't be allowed. Look up the Madrid Law/Mexico Rule if you want more clarification.
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125:
once the penalty has been saved and hits the turf it dosent matter what happens after its counted as a save.
i saw a similar situation on a soccer am clip in which a penalty was taken and the keeper saved it but when it bounced in front of him after the spin was enough to take it into the back of the net, although the goal was given a ref on soccer am said it wasnt classed as a goal
(appologise for any spelling mistakes before hand)
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Ok, this happened to me recently, in a kickabout, but I wondered what would happen in a professional match.
Its 1-1 in the semi final between Spain and Russia. Zhirkhov makes a break away down the wing, with Arshevin and Pavlichenko making runs into the box. Zhirkov puts in a decent ball, but it hits Puyol's outstretched hand, and the ball takes a large deflection and rolls past an hopeless Casillas.
Would it be a penalty, or would the goal be awarded. Also, would Puyol recieve a booking for a handball, a red for denying a goalscroing opportunity, or would he get away free?
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my answer to 128:the goal is awarded with no punishment for puyol (apart from the fact his team are now behind)
this situation actually happened last season in the premierleague if you remember, emirates stadium arsenal 2-2 united. rooney had a shot which went in off the hand of william gallas and the goal was given, i think a gallas own goal.
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What would happen if a player takes a shot , the ball deflects off the referee and hits a team mate of the shooter and and a scores....would it count?
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Here's a tournament related scenario:
In the 1st Semi- FinalGermany v Turkey it's 1-1 in the last minute and the German's are caught short at the back with turkey making a breakaway. The weather is atrocious and as the Turkish attacker gets to the bye line to pull theball back to his striker waiting to pass it into the open goal he slips and slides off the pitch. The German defender tracking back also slips as he tries to take the ball away from the attacker and slides off the field into the Turkish attacker injuring him so he cannot return to the field to continue the attack. During all this the ball remains on the field of play. The German defender regains his feet and is in control with no other Turkish players around to continue. As the incient happened off the field of play but both players didn't purposfully leave the field is it a foul? The Turkish player would've ensured his team progressed to the final if the incident had not happened. Also if it is a foul as it did not happen inside the area or outside the area is it a penalty, free kick or drop ball?
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Ruud Van Nistlerooy taps the ball into the net when only the keeper is between RVN and the goal.But Ruud is not in an offside position, because there is a defender standing behing the goal-line and off to one side.
However, there is an attacking player (e.g. Arjen Robben) also standing off the pitch behind the goal-line and in front of the defender. Without seeking to gain an advantage, or interfering with play, or being in any way 'active', Robben is in the way of the defender getting back on to the pitch.
Since the defender getting back on the pitch would make no difference to RVN putting the ball in the net, do you give the goal or a free kick to the defending team for Robben's "Obstruction", or do you retire in despair?
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128: Goal. He didn't DOGSO... the ball went in! No call, no penalty. Definate advantage. Especially since it doesn't seem like it was deliberate.
130. Yes.
131: I'm not sure where the foul is. Two guys slipped. No one left the field of play deliberately and no one committed a foul.
Whats the problem?
133: Seems that you have a contradiction there... "not interfering with the play" "being in the way of the defender"
Can't be both. Is he deliberately impeding the defender's path or is he just watching RVN without realizing that he's in the way?
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RE 41:
"A proper scenario...England are playing Serbia.....Koller is running up the right wing and Rio Ferdinand floats a long pass out to him..."
Erm..I know England struggle in major tournaments but:
1: Why is Rio Ferdinand floating a long pass to Koller???
and
2: Why is Koller on the pitch as he doesn't play for either country????
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Here's one inspired by the Germany vs. Turkey semi-final:
Two players have a clash of heads (in this match, it was Rolfes for Germany but I forget the Turkish player's name), and both go off the field for stitches and to clean up the blood.
The Turkish player comes back on the pitch, with the referee's permission, and (in this scenario) scores a goal shortly after.
However, the referee, after he has scored, notices he is now bleeding again from the same wound.
Assuming it is impossible to say for certain when he started bleeding again - whether before or after the goal - what happens next?
Can anyone help? I apologise if something like this has been posted before.
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In a recent game, a player was in an OSP when the ball was played to her, she must have realized she was in an OSP and ignored the ball and ran back to an on side position, the defenders seemed to be waiting for a whistle and were in no hurry to play the ball. The player who had been in OSP, turned back and ran past the defenders and collected the ball, the AR's flag went up immediately, the player shot and scored. The ref came over to the AR and had a brief discussion and then signalled for a goal much to the complaints of the defending teams coach, players and fans. Unless I am mistaken the ref was correct and the AR was wrong. The player made no attempt to participate in play and did not interfere with the defenders while in an OSP, and should not be penalized for the defenders lack of hustle.
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what's the point of this? ref's never get anything right anyway so why even have rules? oh yeah that's right, so that we can sit and watch replays and be really pissed off knowing that if it wasn't for that clown our teams would have won
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It is Liverpool versus Chelsea. peter crouch chips up the ball and balances it on his head. since he is the tallest player on the pitch nobody can reach him so he just runs towards the goal. As he enters the penalty area, ashley cole chucks beletti into the air and beletti headers the ball away from crouch. who do you caution for foul play; crouch or cole+beletti
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why was the focus on RVN's offside or not goal against italy. why not on the obvious penalty + sending off of gigi buffon. RVN was completely clear of defenders, got a hand from buffon so he lost balance for a while and the defenders caught up and cleared the ball. without buffon's challenge he would have scored easily plus the ref (peter frojdfeldt) sent out the wrong impression: if you don't fall, you wont get no PK. suddenly i understand diving and exaggerating, it's the only way...
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OK, here are 2 perfectly good goals... or are they?
A: Euro final - Germany v.s. Spain. It's 0-0 with the game in injury time. Jens Lehmann has the ball in his hands. He shoves it up his jersey, and runs up the pitch with it there. Finally, he runs into the Spain goal to score a dramatic last-gasp winner! What does the referee do??
B: Even more of a goal, this one. A player with a distinctly odd haircut is brought on. He has a mass of curly hair, with a ball shape cut out on top of it. He runs back into his own area, where the keeper puts the ball in his hair, where it is firmly secured by his hair cut. He then runs up to the other end of the pitch, runs into the goal and scores. Surely a perfectly good goal??
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A player commits a second bookable offence but the opposing team has an advantage so the ref plays on, they lose possession and without the ball going out of play the player waiting to get his second caution scores.......is it a goal?...and what happens next?
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137: If no one touched the ball between the time she ran back on side and ran back off, she's STILL offside. It doesn't matter if you run around the field 3 times and THEN go get the ball. You could take a shuttle to the moon and come back. The point is she's offside until someone else plays it or it goes out. AR made the correct (and very astute) call. No goal should've been allowed. Someone else from your team who was onside when the ball was played would have to go challenge for it.
141: Both instances are the same, player is booked for unsporting conduct and a kick to the other team.
142: Good goal. He hasn't been sent off yet now has he? But since play is stopped the reward he gets for scoring is another yellow followed by a red.
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Oh and 136: You send the player off again to get patched up. The goal has to stand, but he can't come back on again unless he stops bleeding and changes clothes (if any blood got onto the clothes.
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140 - I remember thinking the same thing but on the reply its clear that the goalie didn't touch RVN. He just slipped, got up and played on.
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