- 19 Jun 08, 07:45 AM
Question number 8
It's the quarter-final of Euro 2008. The Netherlands are a goal down with just seconds remaining of added-on time. The referee awards a corner kick to the Dutch.
The Netherlands keeper leaves his goal and races into the opposition penalty area, but the corner is hit too high and is likely to swing past the far post out of play, well out of everyone's reach.
Two Dutch players hoist the keeper high in the air, rugby-style. They do not block, impede or interfere with any opponents as they hold the keeper steady in the air like a towering statue.
The ball flies towards him and he meets it perfectly to head it into the back of the net.
What would you do in this situation?
Thanks to themilkybarkidfromliverpool for this question.
Now for a reminder of question 7 and the answer from Keith Hackett.
Question number 7
It's Portugal and Germany in the quarter-final of Euro 2008. Ronaldo waltzes past five German defenders, rounds the goalkeeper and is just about to sidefoot the ball into the empty net for the goal of the tournament. But, from the crowd, someone throws a different ball onto the pitch which knocks the matchball way off to the side. Ronaldo puts the second ball in the back of the net.
Is it the goal of the tournament? What do you do?
Keith Hackett's answer
I am afraid Ronaldo is in for a very big disappointment as he has not scored the goal of the Euro 2008 tournament.
The official match ball is the ONLY ONE which can be used in the game. I would disallow the goal and the restart would be a DROP BALL on the six-yard line, directly in line where the unfortunate incident happened.
Thanks to norniron_pete for this question.
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wasnt this question already answered? Mr H said he'd give a free for unsporting behavious and caution the players.
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Yeap, KH answered this questionin the roundup of other questions from the Monday and Tuesday.
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well that was a waste of time and effort not too mention "You are the ref"-ing day
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Come on BBC.
Ask a question that hasn't been given an answer already. :)
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Have they run out of ideas already??
Here's one:
- are players allowed to lift up team mates in order to head in a corner?
No? How about:
- what if a supporter throws a ball 60 yards and knocks the match ball away from Ronaldos feet? What happens then?
Tougher than it looks this...
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Although. I do wonder if KH will make the same decision as he did previously...
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Van Der Sar would get booked for a deliberate foul....... for poking several defenders in the eye with his nose!!
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already answered......
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Is there a differant rulw for the Keeper? Before they said a "player", which could be ref talk for outfield player. STill, it would probz be the same answer.
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what about if two players stood on each other. Would I be allowed then?
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I can't seem to find the previous anser, has the BBC removed it?
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Following on from another poster on another 'You are the Ref', I too think that in the whole this is an excellent idea from the BBC.
I think it would be interesting for these to be run each week during the season for contentious decisions that have happened as a tool for Keith Hackett to explain why certain decisions have been made by refs, as they don't seem to be allowed to give their own explanations in the media.
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If its true that with the Van Der Sar goal the ref would give a free kick for unsporting behaviour, thats seriously ridiculous.
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with it. How is it unsporting?
Since when has quick thinking and ingenuity been against the rules? What a joke.
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number 11 - it was in with a bunch of them
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Please accept my apologies. With the hundreds of suggestions that are coming in it seems that this one did slip through the net and was briefly covered by Keith earlier this week.
We'll provide you with a comprehensive answer from him later this afternoon along with a new scenario.
I hope you'll agree that the drawing was worth all the effort though.
Regards
Andrew
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I wish he hadn't already told us the answer.
I look forward to the somersault throw question tomorrow...
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Andrew,
No problems was always likely to happen sooner or later with KH givng his answers as questions arise and I assume Trevillion needing some time to do the pictures (always good).
thanks for the quick response, look forward to the new scenario.
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What about if a player climbs on another player from the same team, it wouldn't be a foul then would it?
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Hi, Andrew M
If you're looking for another scenario - poster leachytothe put up a good one in post #71 on the blog from 14th June - Keith Hackett's answers to No. 6 (The Thierry Henry question).
It's an unusual twist on an offside situation and I feel would generate good debate.
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Thanks BlueStarIT
I've forwarded that one on to Paul Trevillion to see what he and Keith Hackett think.
It seems a good one to me - I certainly don't have any idea what the answer is!
Cheers
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BluestarMagic
It has become nearly a full-time job keeping up with all the suggestions and Keith's answers!
I'm hoping in the next week or so we'll be able to show you a video of Paul Trevillion doing some drawings so you can get an idea of how quickly he does them.
lawros_kit_bag - like it. I promise you it won't involve any sommersault throw-ins.
Regards
Andrew
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In case you can't find it here is the post to which BlueStarIT and Andrew M refer (at least I think it is):
leachytothe wrote:
here is a question. a striker is stood in an offside position. his strike partner plays the ball back wards, it hits a defender and ends up at the feet of the man who was stood in an offside position. what would be the outcome?? thanks
My own humble opinion on this is that you'd have to flag for offside as normal as the striker has ended up gaining an advantage by being in an offside position. KH said earlier in the week that the whole 'touching the opposition' thing had been gotten rid of.
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Agree with Big Tony, would be offside in my view
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Thanks BigTonyWhite
My immediate feeling was that he would be onside because the ball has not been played forward.
But as I've discovered from most of the You Are The Refs so far, my knowledge of the laws is sketchy at best!
I'll make sure we either get an answer to this one, or make it a scenario for next week.
I'll also be putting up some more answers from Keith early next week, so keep any further suggestions coming in.
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Would probs be the same outcome as before even though this one is specifically the goalkeeper
Another scenario, how about in the heat of the moment the referee accidently flashes the red card at a player instead of a yellow. Can this be rectified there and then to keep the team with 11 players on the field as it was your mistake and you realise as soon as you did it? or will he have to walk and you have to right it in your report so that he doesnt receive a match ban and get it rescinded?
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The ref can revoke a card as long as the game hasn't been restarted and he makes it clear to all that he has done so.
Since after issueing a card he has to give permission to restart the game the opposition can't take a quick kick and ensre the card stands.
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My scenario: Keith mentioned as part of You Are The Ref #6 that under no circumstances can a player strike another. Now to test that...
In the 91st minute, Russia are losing to Netherlands and the ball is knocked out of play in their half. A Russian defender is desparate to get play restarted, but a cheeky (or possibly Dutch) ballboy messes around before throwing the ball at the Russian's face. Enraged, the Russian starts to throttle the poor lad, at which point the Netherlands captain rushes over and attempts unsuccesfully to drag the Russian away. As a desperate measure he thumps the Russian hard on the jaw, dropping him and saving the ballboy from further harm. Presumably there's no argument that the Russian is red carded, and escorted from the ground by the police, by what about the Netherland's captain? Come to think of it, do any nearby police takeover, arresting the Russian and Netherlander for assault and aggravated assault, and hence taking them both off the pitch?
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this one still interests me,
A teams goalkeeper is injured and requires stitches, he needs to go to the changing room to get it done and will be 5-10 minutes but there is no substitute goalkeeper.
Can the team field an outfield player in goal until the goalkeeper returns? does play wait? or are they forced into a substitution regardless of whether they want to or not?
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27- doesn't answer your question, I know, but you'd hope that the police would step in before the player had to resort to knocking out the guy throttling the ball boy.
28- I imagine they'd have to stick an outfield player in goal while the stitches were being done. They certainly can't do "blood substitutions"- and it's what you'd do if the keeper was unable to continue.
Incidentally, there's some good footage of somersault throw-ins on yootoob. They look flippin' impressive (pun intended.)
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i must have a look at that when i get out of work, i cant seem to picture how it works
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I agree he's a great artist, and this has been great fun.
On this one, looking at the picture, it seems the ball is hitting the bar and possibly bouncing down in front of the line. Personally, for me that's as good as in the back of the net, but some people are a bit funny about that.
Knavery and trickery abound in all sports. The "switch-shot" of Kevin "English" Pietersen has had the OK, presumably because it is possible for the opposition to counter it in a safe and entertaining way.
A goalie getting a piggy back could concievably be similarly countered by defences adopting a "human pyramid" approach to defending the goal. A sort of "parking a bendy bus on its end in front of the goal" idea, but i can't see the authorities condoning it.
Bookings all round, I say.
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Hi Andrew M,
Are we any closer to getting clarification on 'You Are The Ref#3'?
If a reminder is required: why does the ball need to leave the penalty area?
I know, I'm beginning to sound like a broken record.
Thanks
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OK here's one (hope my trick pen one is getting some attention!)
A free-kick specialist , say Michael Ballack, develops a 100% success rate at curling the ball into the top left or top right corner from 25 yards.
Germany win such a free-kick. The Portugal goalie (Ricardo)knows it's heading for one of his top corners, but not which one, so he gets Carvalho to jump up and sit on the corner of one side of the crossbar "covering" the top corner, while he covers the other.
Legal?
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You are all missing something very important here - we do not know if there is an opposing defender on the floor behind the goal, in which case the goal would probably be awarded.
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EntertainatallCosts, its because once the goalie releases the ball from under control by his hands it needs to leave and renter the area before he can use his hands to control the ball again.
I think...
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Deliberate trick, cautions, free kick awarded; already answered.
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im sorry, but i have had a look, but cant find You're the ref 3 on the homepage for it. Which one (briefly) was that?
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keeper throwing the ball out and the defender heading it back to waste time
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i thought our guru KH had declared this was ok because the player is allowed to use his head etc. i thought there was something wrong in it myself, as i feel it falls alongside the same "trick" category as this.
Same as a player is not allowed to flick it up on to their head to give it back to the keeper so he can pick it up (i think).
thankfully, i dont think we will ever see the vast majority of these questions ever come up, although would certainly make for a number of talking points.........except of course the offside/onside questions, nothing surprises me with these now.
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A number of us thought it constituted a trick too but apparently not.
It's a wonder more don't do it...
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In the next 20 minutes I'll give you the full answer to question 8 along with question 9.
EntertainAtAllCosts - I hadn't forgotten about you.
I've been in touch with Keith and I've got his response (see below).
I think maybe the reference to the ball leaving the area was perhaps more to do with how Paul had drawn the particular incident.
Here's what Keith said:
"If both the goalkeeper and a member of his team are standing in the area and they start to head the ball back then they are not contravening the law and the ball does not have to leave the penalty area.
"I hope that this clarifies the situation.
This is an act of time consuming rather than time wasting and sometimes a verbal intervention by the referee can prevent the frustration of these players opponents coming to the fore and creating a conflict situation."
Does that answer all your questions?
Regards
Andrew
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Here's an intriguing one!...
Spain V Italy and Torres has a one on one with Buffon. The Spaniard sells the keeper a dummy one way and, as Buffon drops, Torres rounds him the other side and takes the ball towards the open goal to walk it in.
Stranded several yards back, Buffon takes off his boot and throws it at the ball! Without touching Torres, it cleanly strikes the ball, diverting it away from his feet, either for a corner or allowing a recovering defender to hack it away.
Can the boot really be classed as an "outside agent", given it is the main thing with which to play a football?! It just didn't have a foot in it!
If a tennis player successfully played a shot by throwing his racket through the air, that would be ok, so what action does the ref take on Buffon here and how is the game restarted?
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and another one riding on the back of yesterdays Paralympic question....
what if a defender with a false leg goes to tackle and his legs comes off and catches the guy in the head....is he red carded for a reckless tackle ?
or what if he charges out and his leg comes off, the attacker goes around him and falls over the detached leg... is he red carded for denying a goalscoring oppotunity ?
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On the 'trick' question, didn't KH say that whilst it doesn't circumvent the laws, but instead decided at the referees discretion? He therefore went on to say he would give the team a warning to stop?
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#41
Thanks Andrew M.
That does answer my question (singular).
As I thought, there is no need for the ball to leave the penalty area, by whatever mode, for the goalkeeper to handle it again.
It was just that the adjudication for Ref #3 was explicit, and apparently incorrect, on this issue.
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We had a similiar case of this in my Saturday league match. A corner came in and an opposition player jumped on his team-mates shoulders, to gain extra height, and head the ball into the net. Would this also count as unsporting behaviour?
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At what point is it considered unsporting behaviour. For example, if the goalkeeper takes a running leap but assists himself in gaining more height by pushing down on a team mates shoulder, would it be allowed?
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Well I posed this question and I don't think I have received a satisfactory answer.
It seems that the ref may disallow the goal for unsporting behaviour ... but how can this action be construed as unsporting?
Surely it is innovatice and creative teamwork?
Would refs' all interpret such behaviour as unsporting?
Can anyone explain?
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I have a question.
Suppose the Czech Republic scored a dramatic late equaliser against Turkey.
A penaly shoot our ensued. Remebre turkey were down to ten men.
What would happen if all 10 players scored and it was down to the eleventh player? The Czech Republic eleventh player converted his kick. Turkey had no eleventh player because the goal keeper was sent off. Could this mean that Turkey had to forfeith and the Czech Republic be declared the winner or could Turket allowed another player to kick again eventhough he had done so before?
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