- 18 Jun 08, 07:29 AM
Question number 7
It's Portugal and Germany in the quarter-final of Euro 2008. Ronaldo waltzes past five German defenders, rounds the goalkeeper and is just about to sidefoot the ball into the empty net for the goal of the tournament. But, from the crowd, someone throws a different ball onto the pitch which knocks the matchball way off to the side. Ronaldo puts the second ball in the back of the net.
Is it the goal of the tournament? What do you do?
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surely no goal, but a restart with a drop ball.
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If an extra ball enters the field of play during the match, the referee shall stop the match only if
it interferes with play. Play shall be restarted by a dropped ball in the position where the match
ball was at the time when the match was stopped.
Obviously the ball has interfered with play as it has collided with the match ball so it would be a dropped ball. Presumably a sporting Germany will not contest it and allow Ronaldo to score, (assuming he doesn't balloon as we have all seen players do, Gomez anyone!!)
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No, can't give a goal. I guess a bounce ball would be the sensible way to re-start, if Ronaldo wasn't able to react quickly and recover the first ball.
What amases me is that given the implied distance between Ronaldo and the goal, any throw from the crowd would need to come from the side of the pitch or over the goal.
That spectator should be identified and signed up straight away. Such an arm would be an excellent attacking option from throw ins.
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Surely not a goal since the match ball has not gone in. However, a penalty would be the most suitable decision.
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Iamtheking wrote:
'Surely not a goal since the match ball has not gone in. However, a penalty would be the most suitable decision.'
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It's hardly fair to punish the Germans with a penalty for something that no member of their side did wrong. The ball, and whoever threw it, constitute outside agents that have interfered with play, therefore play should restart with a drop-ball.
I'm sure the Germans would be gracious enough not to contest it and give Ronaldo the goal he was denied by the freak incident.
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I agree, outside influence = drop ball.
Would it be contested if it was the 89th minute and the current score was 0-0? :)
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Drop ball. Obviously.
"You're the ref" is like shooting fish in a barrel today, isn't it?
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How disappointing - No challenge today (good artwork again though).
Lawros_kit_bag had it right when he said it's 'shooting fish in a barrel'.
Outside influence - dropped ball.
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although the fact it is being used, and everyone is saying drop ball, part of me is saying we are all wrong
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Easy decision this - drop ball. Oh wait a minute, against the Germans you say? Penalty then.
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It's a drop ball without question.
And no, the Germans shouldn't just let him put the ball in the goal as there is no guarantee he would've scored.
It's very different to put the ball in the goal when running and after beating several players, temporary fatigue would be setting in and if he already believes he is about to score he may lack concentration for a brief moment so there is a chance of him mis-kicking the ball, losing balance or even just missing the goal due to mis-judgement.
Allowing him to pass the ball into the net uncontested whilst just standing still after the game restarts would be madness.
It's unfortunate for the Portugese but that's life, or that's football, or whatever.
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13, you miss the bit where he put the offending ball into the net, surely a harder task so saying he wouldn't have with the original is going a bit far. If I was the captain I'd have instructed my team not to contest it. Such decisions by captains have happened in world cups, Shearer told the ref he'd fouled during an England goal and could he disallow it (ref I think had just given it) so not to hard to imagine.
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This circumstance results in no goal allowed. Unfortunate as it is with an open goal, play was impeded so this would not count. I know its 'Ronaldo' and that he would clearly score the open goal but you cannot be certian he would place it in the net? That would be assumption and he hasnt actually scored with the original match ball.
I have a question for Keith Hackett. Do you think that the world of football and their officials should introduce the method in which Rugby matches follow....the big screen decision? This would be an interesting aspect to any competitive match!
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The goal can't stand as there were two balls on the field of play and Ronaldo didn't put the correct one in the net anyway. A drop ball is the answer with Germany sportingly not contesting it however I can't see certain German players allowing Portugal a route to the semis at their expense. I do however now want to see this scenario happen in the actual game so if anyone is going and fancies packing a spare bal......
I also have a scenario but can't see where to post it so hopefully here will do.
It's the quarter-finals of the european championships and Luca Toni finds himself one on one with Casillas. Toni flicks the ball over Casillas but and into the empty net but in doing so follows through and catches Casillas in the face. It is a clear foul but Toni argues that as the ball had entered the net before a foul was given by either the referee or his assistant and before he caught Casillas then the goal should stand
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Please let's make it a goal.
We need some way for the dour and efficient Germans to lose in open play, rather than grinding out another victory via a penalty shootout.
Doesn't matter if we need to change all the laws of the game to achieve it!
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A drop-ball should be the answer, but it troubles me.
Ronaldo should be attended to by the physio. in order to stem the tears.
If I were the ref, I'd give the goal on the grounds that I thought the match ball had been knocked in and not the imposter.
There'd be flak, but justice would be served.
(The imposter would have to resemble the match ball - this approach wouldn't work if say a multi-coloured beach ball had been thrown on, however funny the rest of the game might be!)
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id fall to the ground laughing, go shake the supporters hand and then drop ball.
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13, you miss the bit where he put the offending ball into the net, surely a harder task so saying he wouldn't have with the original is going a bit far. If I was the captain I'd have instructed my team not to contest it. Such decisions by captains have happened in world cups, Shearer told the ref he'd fouled during an England goal and could he disallow it (ref I think had just given it) so not to hard to imagine.
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Whilst he has put one ball in the net, this doesn't guarantee he would've scored.
He could score with the illegal second ball while juggling flaming chainsaws and balancing a glass of water on his head without spilling any for all I care, and this would be a much more difficult task. But this still doesn't mean that he would've scored the original goal if there was no interference. Much stranger things have happened in football.
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KNOWING RONNY HE WOULD PUT THE BALL FROM THE CROWD IN THE NET THEN QUICKLY RUN AND PUT THE MATCH BALL IN ANYWAY SO GOAL I SAY!
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As an external object has entered then it starts with a portugal drop ball.
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The Portugal one is easy and has been answered plenty of times already.
Only1Keano - it would depend on whether Toni's foot was high when he kicked the ball. If he didn't commit a foul while scoring, then goal. If he contested the ball with a high foot, but scored, then it should be a free out.
This is somewhat of a moot point anyway, as it is extremely unlikely that Toni could score a goal when there is no keeper, let alone when he has to beat him.
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In regards to #8. Booting the spectator in the face would be a little harsh. Maybe we could get Cantona to do it if need be.
To hit the match ball from off the pitch would have to be an incredible shot though.
Anyway, back to the question, unless its a ridiculous angle or bad weather that could affect the run of the ball I would give a goal. But then the ref would have to judge the weather. Oh its another ridiculous situation. Give the goal, the Germans wouldnt mind, they very generous (lol). Tough!! Auf Wiedersein Germany
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It can't be a goal, as som have suggested as the "match ball" didn't enter the goal.
I expect, as this incident has interupted play that the referee will have to stop the game and have a drop ball.
There are no rules surrounding srop balls (as far as I am aware) so the referee could organise the drop ball as he sees fit.
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Sheesh - when has this ever happened?
Considering some of the decisions that refs make how can we be sure he'd know what to do anyway.
Personally I think uncontested drop ball. It would depend on how sporting the Germans would be in this situation.
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Like others, I can't see what is difficult about this one - drop ball; if the drop ball was UNcontested, resulting in a goal, book Germans for unsporting behaviour (LETTING the other side score is not allowable).
Although the referee's decision should be no different, what if... the ball thrown on is exactly like the match ball, and collision with the ball in play is such that it is impossible to determine (without slow-motion replay) which ball is which, and hence whether it was in fact the match ball which was netted?
It is the interference with play which would cause the referee to halt the game, so what if the striker is able to put both balls are put into the net?
At what point does the referee blow his whistle to stop play? When the second ball enters the field of play? When it collides with the match ball?
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It doesn't matter that the 2nd ball has been put in the net, its just an external object, it might as well be a balloon.
it's my understanding that if the 2nd ball had put the real ball in the net, before the ref blows the whistle, it would be a goal. Same if someone from the crowd ran on and scored, if the ref hasnt stopped play, no matter how it goes in, it counts.
as it takes the ball away from ronaldo though, the ref wont play advantage, ref will stop play and a drop ball from where ronaldo was standing, not sure about who has to be behind the ball though
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Only rule on drop balls is it has to bounce.
There is no restriction on the number of people contesting the drop ball so we could have a situation where the ref is dropping the ball into a melee of 22 players :)
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If it's a typical ref, he'll stop play as soon as the second ball enters the field with a drop ball where the match ball was at the time.
However, in order to make it fair, he'll probably tell the Germans that the Portuguese goalkeeper has just insulted their parents; causing them all to run to the other end of the field to berate him - thus leaving Ronaldo clear to win the uncontested drop-ball and score (again...)
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What is everyone's thought's on the big screen decision??? im curious to what this could do for the game, thoughts anyone?
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This scenario actually happened in a Margate game in the Rymans League two years ago when a previously kicked out ball was returned by the crowd as the Margate player was about to score
Result was a drop ball which the opposition kicked away.
If it did happen to Ronaldo would he be winking to the bench or just burst into tears?
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That guy in the crowd has gone one hell of an accurate throwing action.
Could it be that we've found the replacement for Steve Harmison at last??
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The outcome is as harsh as the scenario is unlikely. The ref should give a drop ball where the interference took place. Of course if the Germans wanted to be sporting they could not contest the drop, but thats even more unlikely than this highly improbable scenario.
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In my opinion everyone should laugh and point at Ronaldo and a goal kick should be given. In the same scenario with any other player it's a drop ball.
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A scenario for you are the ref.
England are playing Portugal, Ronaldo runs into his own penalty area and Rooney runs after him and pulls his shirt, a clear foul. Before the ref can blow his whistle Ronaldo elbows Rooney in the face in frustration. Can the ref change his mind about giving a free kick and award a penalty?
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As everybody seems to agree, it would be a drop ball.
Then of course Gordon Strachan would approach the guy in the crowd and sign him as his long throw-in expert!
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In reply to Waldorf - he should still give the foul against Rooney but Ronaldo should be sent off and or banned for life.
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Has to be a dropped ball and those that think Germany wouldn't contest it are living in a fantasy world.
It seems unfair to Portugal (my heart bleeds with sympathy for Ronaldo) but the referee can't allow the goal or give Portugal a penalty.
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In normal circumstances, a drop ball. If it's against germany, however, then give a penalty and send off lehmann and ballack. For the good of the game ;)
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Red card to whoever threw the ball for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity.
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37- free kick to portugal for the shirt tug (since that was the initial offence). And then send off Roanldo for violent conduct.
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Stop play, restart with a drop ball at the place where the match ball was at the tiome of the new ball entering the pitch. On the goal are line parallel to the goal line in line with the place where the ball was if it happened to be in the goal area.
Not the goal of the tournament unfortunately, because no goal was scored.
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Drop ball. Obviously.
And the Germans wouldn't contest it because, if they did, then all of Europe would consider them unsporting win-at-any-cost miserable gits.
And they wouldn't want that...
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First of all Ronaldo should be cautioned, because when he doesn't score with the ball that is in play he will by nature, dive to attempt to get a penalty.
The referee should then award Germany a free kick and give them the magic ball that prevented Ronaldo's goal. He should then proceed to send both Joachim Lowe and Phil Scolaire to the stands to find the spectator who threw the magic ball.
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no chance its a drop ball. the only correct thing for the ref to do will be to give a penalty for Ronaldo/Portugal.
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What would happen if the ball wasn't thrown by the crowd, but an overenthusiastic ball boy/girl, and then Ronaldo goes over to the unfortunate boy/girl and gives them a rollocking that reduces them to tears?
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Just because he's rounded the keeper doesn't mean he'll score. Ronnie Rosenthal anyone?? Drop ball has to be given. Whether the Germans contest it is up to their ethical view!!!
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In response to an earlier answer, I can't see germany letting him score with the other ball as he was through, lol. they take their luck.
drop ball
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would have to give a drop ball if it was anybody else but considering its ronaldo i would have to send ronaldo off for attempting to decieve an opponent with a second ball and award a penalty to germany (also medals) for not punching ronaldo as i'm sure they would be very tempted
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18 - If I were the ref, I'd give the goal on the grounds that I thought the match ball had been knocked in and not the imposter.
There'd be flak, but justice would be served.
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I wonder if you'd feel the same way if the match were against England rather than Germany.
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Drop ball. However, just a thought....If it was a direct hit would the new ball become active and the goal stands? Since the other ball is no longer interferring with play and hence no need to stop play?
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How Can It Be a Drop Ball if Portugal Had Possession of the ball?
How would it be sensible if Portugal Lose the drop ball and Germany score off it.
what will happen there will be around a 10 minute delay and FIFA or UEFA will
Have to make a decision.
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I notice that the question doesn't specify *which* goal the German defenders were near, and Ronaldo was about to put the ball into. The Germans might have had everyone up for a corner, and Ronaldo's clearly not the brightest, so might have got turned around.
In which case, there would still be a drop ball, clearly - but would it be unsporting for Portugal to contest it?
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Got to be a drop ball, with a red card for ronaldo.....for diving, arguing with the ref, or just being ronaldo.
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This is so obvious...
The goal results in Southampton being automatically promoted back up to Premiership with a 30point head start. You're so foolish
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Indirect free kick to portugal
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Tess_sgs @ 54
What makes you think I'm English? My name?
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Do you think its to avoid this very scenerio that Ronaldo regularly throws himself to the floor in the area?
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50 - cesc -
Ronaldo would then offer them his sodden hanky to dry their eyes , but the ref would send him off for violent conduct.
Having said that, can any-one remember toilet rolls being thrown from the crowd at the goal at the start? What was all that about? The goalies were responsible for tidying them away, and I was always silently willing them to make a huge ball of toilet paper and stick it inside the post for extra defences!
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Now the answer has been well and truely established, the next question is: would the drop ball be contested?
In the interest of sportsmanship it should not be. But in the heat of a knockout competition would the defending team not make the most of any opportunity - however freak - that came its way..?
By the way - I'd like to think that the 'spectator' throwing the ball is Oliver Kahn... another not-too-subtle dig at his old buddy Jens!
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Agree with pretty well everyone here... drop ball and Germany should be sporting.
However, on a related point, I remember a recent FA Cup matchbetween (I think) Man City v Sheffield Utd. The Man City defender cleared a balloon, rather than the match ball, from the penalty area. The Sheffield attacker went and scored and the goal was allowed to stand. The balloon was clearly an external object that interfered with play, so does this mean the ref on the day got it wrong?
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SA-Eagle - #55
Oh crikey!!! We've only just got people understanding that defenders don't have to be 'active' and now we're including balls!!!
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Wantagepaul - post #65
Yes - a well-known example of an incorrect decision when external objects have affected play.
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This one seems so obviously a drop ball that maybe everyone is wrong. Perhaps there is a rule that states that a drop ball cannot be given inside the penalty area. I wouldve thought an uncontested drop ball would be the way to go. I cant believe some people are saying Ronaldo may have missed anyway. If you start bringing that thinknig into the game then every decision would be contested. 'Ref I know i hacked that player down from behind as he was about to score but he might have fallen over on his own before he put it away anyway, so really i shouldnt be sent off'. That would be opening a massive can of worms. If hes basically on the goal line and there is no challenge coming I think you can safely say he wouldve scored.
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Having said all that it would be entirely upto the Germans if they wanted to contest it or not.
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Goal should not stand and play should restart with a drop ball at point the second ball interfered with the match ball. At this point the person who threw the ball onto pitch - a certain Wayne Rooney - comes running onto field of play, picks up the ball and runs away. Ronaldo gives chase, catches Rooney and pulls him to the ground. The ref runs to the scene and immediately pulls the red card out and shows it to Ronaldo who walks off the field in disbelief after much reluctance. Rooney follows him winking at the German players, who just don't get the joke...
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That would be no goal, with a drop ball restart.
what would have happened if he'd put both balls in the net? it could be the beginning of a new american version of soccer.
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Send Ronaldo off, he's a twonk
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You would have to give the person who threw the ball on the pitch a prize as that would be some awesome throwing.
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Give a goal - it needn't matter that the ball didn't cross the line ;) - that's my cheeky wink at the assistant ref!
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The ref would ignore the second ball and wave play on. From then on the incident would go down in football folklore as 'the ball of god' and the Germans would forever deny that the incident ever happenned.
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Surely the goal would not stand. A drop ball would be done and the other team (up to them of course) should let ronaldo hit into an empty net. Not exactly goal of the tournament but strange it would be.
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Interesting why so many think a penalty is a suitable outcome. ( Ronaldo misses more than he scores these days anyway ). Regardless, the Ref can't simply invent laws to suit an occassion.
This is a no-brainer for any ref of any level. Drop ball restart from where the foreign obeject ( the second ball not Ronaldo !) interfered with the match ball.
Germany may or may not choose to contest it... but its up to them, not the Referee. This kicking the ball back instead of a contested drop ball is not anything us Refs can enforce.
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no comment
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If he put both balls into the net the ref could take the view that it didn't interfere with the game and allow the goal.
A drop ball is only necessary where the ref feels that the foreign object (or person) interferes with the match.
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You'd blow your whistle when the second ball interferes and restart with a dropped-ball.
However, you'd strongly encourage Germany to allow Portugal a free goal (not unheard of in certain circumstances). If they disagree, you'd have to make a detailed write-up due to the undue, match-changing nature of the interference.
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BTW, I like the creative answers based on the fact that it's C. Ronaldo involved, rather than somebody respectable!
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Give a "Half" goal! Make History!
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Give a penalty and report the icudent to Uefa. They can punish that countries FA accordanly
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The interfered with the game ball, therefore play should be stopped and a drop ball situation should take-place
P.S Ronaldo should get the 'run' if the tournament:P
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Come on, these are supposed to be difficult ! This is easy.
Award the goal becuase its against the Germans, give Ronaldo a new contract at Man Utd for £1/2m a week and then sell him to Madrid, for £250m.
or dis-allow the goal and start the game with a drop ball.
Oh yeah and send off the supporter who threw the ball on.
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No goal. Drop ball from where the 2nd ball hit the 1st ball.
I would think the Germans would have enough courage and wisdom to let portugal score. That would be fair play! Only if the ball was definately going in though!
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Oh dear, what an idea to put into fans' heads...
I wonder if sales of footballs in Basel will increase, as a result.
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Definately, Definately, Definately a drop ball from where the 2 balls connected.
Then from there the person in the crowd should be crowned "Dodgeball Champion of the World!" and go on to ruin other sporting contests such as golf, darts and chess.
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I would give Ronaldo a red card for unsportsmanlike behaviour (booting the second ball into the net) and award Germany a free kick out. I would then give the Portuguese bench a sly wink reminiscent of the Ronaldo-Rooney incident from the last world cup.
After the match I would buy a pint for whoever it was that threw the ball on the pitch.
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An indirect free kick from the position of where the ball hit. You cannot have two balls on the pitch at any one time.
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If Ronaldo was any good, and some say he is the best diver, sorry player in the world, then he should have been aware of what was around him, seen the second ball coming and put that in that net after putting the first one in the net.
But I would award a German free-kick and watch Ronaldo sit on the grass and cry a puddle around himself.
As for the person in the crowd, sign them up as a keeper and then they would just be able to throw the ball in the oppostion's goal from their own box.
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Drop ball.
AS for comments saying the Germans should be gracious and let Ronaoldo score: I've seen to many players miss from point blank range to say any goal is certain before it crosses the line, so the German would be within their rights to take the drop ball.
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Shave Ronaldo's eyebrows off and make him wear his boots on the wrong feet.
Then blindfold him, cover his face in lipstick and let each German player slap him right across the cheeks in turn.
Then place the ball at his feet and if he still scores, send him off and home to bed without any supper.
It's not a foul so i don't think an indirect free kick or penalty can be given, and i certainly don't think the german's should offer not to contest the drop ball, as many have pointed out, the active match ball hasn't crossed the line so it's in no way a goal.
Contested drop-ball from where the real match ball was when the 2nd ball ENTERED the pitch.
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Stupid Question. The rules of the game i dont think have an answer to that. You would end up having a bunch of people on the sidelines waiting to throw the ball at a player who is about to score!! MULTI BALL SYNDROME!
i think that the ref would have to stop play and the other team would actually concede a goal honorbly. Like when forest played leicester and game was called off and in reply leicester or forest cant remember let the other team walk through their defence and score giving them a 1 goal advantage!!
These questions are getting stupid now!!
I have a new question for you
The olympic games, and its the paralympic football players, Two guys are running in to a fifty fifty ball. Unfortunately one of the players prosphetic (excuse spelling) legs comes off and studs showing goes in high on the opposing player. Does the ref send him off for a studs in challenge or does it not matter as the leg which the studs went in high on was the other players false leg!!
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Well considering the physics required for a fan to throw a ball all the way from the side of the pitch with enough force to knock a ball away from Ronaldo then a) he should be given a baseball or american football contract immediately and b) we should discuss the question of what happens if aliens attack at half time....
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There's only one answer.
Ronaldo will theatrically dive over the second ball in an attempt to win a penalty.
Send him off for blatant simulation.
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There's only one answer.
Allow the goal and give Ronaldo the opportunity to hammer Alan Shearer for being a lightweight and never taking a management job
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Free kick to Germany against Ronaldo.
Just to get him back for all the dives and simulation that he would have done up to this moment!!!!
Seriously though, its a drop ball from where the match ball was when the 2nd ball entered the field. If that position is nearer the goal than the 6 yard line, then I believe it's a drop ball on the 6 yard line.
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No goal. Restart is a drop ball from the location where the second ball hit the first ball, unless that is within the goal area, in which case the drop ball is taken from the location on the perimeter of the goal area closest to where the balls came into contact.
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If it was the opposing teams fans who threw the ball then the goal should be allowed as a punishment to them.
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I send Ronaldo off for cheating.
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As it is an outside interference, it is a drop ball. If, as you would expect, the Germans were good sports, they would let Ronaldo score a walkthrough from the drop ball.
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Well Portugal were in posession so freekick to them from the spot where the second ball began to interfere.
Ronaldo would still most likely score but it gives the advantage to the attacking team.
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I think a penalty kick should be taken (by ronaldo), this way ronnie can't argue because he didn't put the ball in the goal, so a penalty is the best he can get out of the situation. As for the germans they know that ronaldo was going to score so they won't argue a penalty being taken and as for the fan they can be found and banned from football for life for causing so much trouble.
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I know this one. In a little-known rule:
The player would be required to leave his successful and rich EPL club and play for my horrible MLS club. Bis success!
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Obviously, Ronaldo should get a penalty.
And the supporter who threw the other ball onto the pitch should go in goal.
No guarantee Ronny would have scored in the open net you all seem to be saying...? Well there's no guarantee that the fan in the crowd throwing the ball wasn't the likes of Dida, Peter Schmeichel or Dave Seaman himself...
A contested drop-ball is just daft - even if it is in the rules, and I really cannot see an uncontested drop-ball in this particular situation at this level with so much at stake.
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I'd love to hear what the commentators say while Ronaldo carefully lines up his 1 meter shot into empty net. Oh, the tension!
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The ref in me says no goal, restart with a drop-ball.
The personal way I feel about Ronaldo says to caution him and force him to wear stilts for the rest of the match, and award a penalty to Germany.
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Penalty or goal.
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A free kick is awarded to Germany ......
because Ronaldo dives ..... then gets a second booking for diving. Germany then run up to the other end, and score a spawny goal of someones shin ..... then go on to win the semi-final and Final on penalties.
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Send Ronaldo off for being Ronaldo
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Come on, what German side is going to let Ronny waltz pass 5 of them before being hacked down?
Free kick to portugal after CR gets floored by the first German defender.
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22. At 10:57am on 18 Jun 2008, ade2007 wrote:
As an external object has entered then it starts with a portugal drop ball.
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Please enlighten me. How can a drop ball be awarded to one side?
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No goal, you can only score with the match ball, the Germans cant not contest a goal because a goal has,nt been scored, you cant just say let him have it ref,also the ref cant give a penalty because no offence has been committed by the German team,Its the same as when the ball is about to cross the goalline, a spectator runs on and kicks it away,or if the ball hits the ref and goes in the goal its a goal,its just one of those things.
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A drop ball should be contested, but referees have dreampt up reasons to instruct one team to kick it and another to leave it, basically turning it into a free-kick after no foul has been committed.
Its not in the rules but then look at obstruction, that's in the rules but every defender does it to 'shield' the ball for a goal kick.
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To make it clear i meant if a spectator comes on and stops the ball from crossing the goal line, the ref cant give a goal.
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hey come on get real..real do you get it sorry and im a man united fan haha Of course no goal you cant start a move with one ball and finish it with another.Id love to see ronaldos face if it did happen though and of course a lifetime ban for the idiot who threw the ball.
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Clearly, a red card should be shown to the throwing spectator, and a drop ball would be given to continue the game.
You can never be sure he'd score, he might see a hunky man-man in the stands and get distracted.
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Ok im the ref so i whisper to ronaldo make a statement that youre staying at united for 3 more years and the goals yours matey ;) otherwise i'll send you off and give the germans a penalty.
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Clearly, a red card should be shown to the throwing spectator, and a drop ball would be given to continue the game.
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You cant give red cards to spectators,but the football association could take action against the team the guy supported, unless hes a nuetral, how would you know at a nuetral venue?
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Surely Ronaldo wouldn't have scored with the second ball because he'd be too busy diving as soon as he got into the box?
Trick question. Booking for Ronaldo, free kick to Germany.
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It's no goal and I'd send Ronaldo off for kicking the ball away.
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No goal.
Goal kick and probably sanctions would probably be imposed against Austria / Switzerland for failing to control their fans (well if it happened in England we'd surely be punished).
So, no goal of the tournament for Ronaldo, although he'll probably score many wonder goals next season...
In spain!!!
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Well It's got to be a indirect free Kick.
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125. At 4:58pm on 18 Jun 2008, tickm364 wrote:
Well It's got to be a indirect free Kick.
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To who???? no offence has been commited by either team.
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drop ball.
on a side note, curious that Trevillion didn't draw the smug Ronaldo instead of the rarely seen joyous one..
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norniron_pete you are a very very very sad person
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It should be a dropped ball where the match ball was when the second ball entered play.
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What about organising the drop ball in the same situation as when the ball was thrown in: so that Ronaldo is ahead of all the players and should easily put the ball in the net. The Germans couldn't complain because nobody has gained an advantage or been penalised because of it.
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Sorry BigTonyWhite, I got carried away with the irony and hypotheticals, these " if it takes a man a week to walk a fortnight --how many apples in a bunch of grapes " questions really crease me. The football has been pretty good ,even though England not there, there have been plenty of refereeing incidents without having to make them up,, why not discuss these???????
regards El Romeral (the Pilgrim)
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Sorry again BigTonyWhite
we have been disconfigorated--it seems my prose has caused offense
regards El Romeral (the Pilgrim
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No goal. Restart play with an indirect freekick would be most fair.
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In terms of the Laws of the game , comment no. 2 got it spot on.
I wonder if the 'Sporting Germans ' would allow the dropped ball to be 'uncontested'.
I somehow have my doubts.
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Well, sadly you are all wrong, and have clearly been too busy wondering about drop balls and sportsmanship etc etc.
As Ronaldo is round everyone and standing in front of an empty net, as the soon as the "external" ball comes to his feet, he will be flagged for offside by the assistant referee. The result would be a free kick to Germany.
Ronaldo and most of the Portugal team will then be booked or sent off for protesting and Scolari and Louw will have to have a punch up to decide who gets to the semi's, as Portugal would not have enough players left after their protests.
Uefa would then award the ref and linesman in question the final to officiate for following and applying the rules of the game so exactly.
It's very simple when you sit and think about it.....!
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Since no advantage was gained, the ref could opt to allow the goal. A more probable approach would be to call a PK.
In either case the "fan" should be strung up in front of the net and the full line up of both teams, including the reserves, coaches, trainers, wives and girlfriends allowed to take PKs. Between each shot, the referee should blow his whistle in the fans ear, just to keep him focused.
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Hmm sounds like Ronaldo is in danger of being offside! Was there a outfield player between him and the goal when the spectator threw the ball onto the pitch? :)
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We're getting a little bit silly now, aren't we? Whatever the answer is there should be a yellow card for the person who selected this question.
The ball being thrown on to the pitch is fine but the idea that Christiano Ronaldo could beat FIVE players in an INTERNATIONAL match is ludicrous beyond belief. When would THAT ever happen?!?!
:-)
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Find out how an English thug was allowed in to the crowd, identify him and ban him for life
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where do i view the other "you are the ref" articles, i like this one :)
thanks
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Hi gsid78
I'm pleased you're enjoying You Are The Ref.
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We will have another scenario, along with Keith Hackett's answer to this one.
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The authors dropdown list is on the right hand side, towards the top of each page on the blog by the way.
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Since when do Germany play 5 at the back?
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No goal, sorry Portugal. When the ball from the stands interferred with the play the play should be blown dead and restarted with a drop ball
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I would award a free kick to Germany and send off Ronaldo.
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It is 1-1 in the Spain v Italy quarter-final at Euro 2008 and we are into stoppage time after 90 minutes. Suddenly Cesc Fabregas picks out a ball from nowhere for Fernando Torres. There is a clear, loud whistle from the crowd and the Italian defence stops running but Torres carries on and slides the ball past Buffon. Italy complain they thought the whistle was blown for offside.
Do you give the goal what do you do?
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You are all sounding a bit nervous because it's too easy. You're right to sweat. The answer is simple.
Law 2 states that the ball may not be changed during the match without the authority of the referee. The ball thrown on to the pitch and used to score by Ronaldo may not be the right cirumference, the right weight or the right pressure.
However only a replacement ball would be dropped by the referee.
I'm assuming he's not going to replace the original ball that's been sent sideways.
How about no goal and goal kick to Germany?
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This one is quite tricky as the second ball is a foreign object which has changed the eventual outcome of a wonderful goal by Real Madrid's latest Galactico. So it is a drop ball at the point of interference and three extra minutes on the next ManU match when they are a goal down plus an additional point for every year Seralex has been a Knight.
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Give Portugal a double goal!!(Only cos it's the Germans though) Hahahaha
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If that's a goal then I'll eat my hat.
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Is it me or has this Euro seen very poor refereeing?
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Lots of people saying 'drop ball' here, but as I understand it a drop ball can only occur if the referee has stopped play. There's no mention of the referee stopping play or not in this scenario, so the assumption is he has not realised what has occurred.
The Ronaldo 'goal' cannot stand as the offical ball has not crossed the goal-line, and the official ball cannot be changed during a match without the referee's consent.
If the referee has still not stopped play (as clearly should on seeing the interference), the official ball is still actively in play, wherever it may be on the pitch.
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drop goal between ronaldo and any German player between him and the goal at the point of infraction. but there was no one, so therefore drop ball with only ronaldo. he might still miss!
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should be a goal as ronaldo surely wouldnt hav missed
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KNOWING RONNY HE WOULD PUT THE BALL FROM THE CROWD IN THE NET THEN QUICKLY RUN AND PUT THE MATCH BALL IN ANYWAY SO GOAL I SAY!
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However good Ronaldo is (and I really do think he's exceptional), he's more likely to score with the ball from the crowd and then fall on the ground crying that it's not fair and he's been cheated. The ref would have to postpone the game cos Ronaldo would have a massive tantrum and then the game would have to be replayed because its too late. Therefore this goal will not matter anyway and we will all start again.
WOW!! I've never spoken so much rubbish in my life. I'm quite impressed with my imagination!!!!
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Goal can not stand on a couple of levels. The matchball having been interfered with during open play and as a result was not used to score a goal would disallow the goal. However the the very fact that two balls were on the pitch during open play at the same time would deem any following action as null and void. What is just as important any resulting desent would have to be handled in the usual way. Should any of the players continually remonstrate and or use abusive language,ignoring warnings of punishment for said desent and or foul language for example from Ronaldo himself since he would undoubtedly feel hard done by the most. Would or indeed should result in a yellow card Of course this card would have to be considered strongly which would be open to varying levels of common sense and time for said player-players to calm down and re-asses the situation as well as the official concerned.
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Possible answer to number 16. I think Luca Toni would be correct although I think the ref would have come to the same decision without his help. When goalkeepers come out to challenge for the ball-particularly one on one-there is often a collision which this must obviously be considered to be.
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Number 154, a referee cannot decide who can and can't contest a drop ball, if the Germans wanted to they could have all eleven of their players contest it against just one portuguese player. I realise the mechanics might be difficult but it is the teams themselves that decide to contest a drop ball or not the only decision for the ref to make is is it a drop ball or not and in this case it has to be a drop ball for outside interference.
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'Ronaldo' then falls over. starts crying amd is given a penalty by English official, Howard Webb.
He misses it, but is allowed to retake it because the goalkeeper looked at him in a nasty way.
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Only1Keano:
Re #16
If Toni played the ball in a normal manner (and thus his action wasn't dangerous) in flicking it over Casillas, then the situation wouldn't be a foul.
It wouldn't be his fault that his follow through caught Casillas. In the situation you describe Casillas is likely to come at Toni to try to block the ball, so if in doing so he ends up taking a boot in the face from the follow through that's just too bad.
Normal follow throughs are not fouls.
If Toni missed the ball it would be a foul of course. But Toni doesn't miss the ball in your situation.
It would also be a foul if Toni tried something dangerous to make contact with the ball - a bicycle kick or scissors kick at head height for example. But in your scenario he isn't doing anything like that.
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I have a question similar to Number 5.
A Midfielder commits a bad foul. Although not with the excessive force that endangered the safety of the forward, nevertheless it is deserving of a yellow card(He already has a booking), with an excellent goalscoring opportunity for the attacking side you play an advantage and will address the defender later.
But before the ball goes dead the same midfielder is involved in a counter attack and actually goes on to score. What would happen because surely he should not be on the pitch in the first place?
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the outcome of this of senario, should be a goal kick to germany. but the likely event of ronaldo going round 5 players and scoring only happens in dreams, lol, he would of dived after going round the 2 second player and got yellow card.
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Ronaldo will never round 5 defenders and the keeper, for that he would need talent. Ronaldo would fall to the floor as soon as he enters the area, the ref will obviously give a penalty because its Ronaldo. Fergie will run on to the pitch and slap the offending player, who will subsequently be sent off for headbutting Fergies fist. Ronaldo will take the penalty and miss, the ref will claim the goalkeeper moved to early and allow Ronaldo to take it again. He will then send off the keeper and call off the match, giving Portugal a 10 - 0 victory. Ronaldo will be awarded the 10 goals for being a 'good sportsman' and then he will claim to be the best player in the world because he scored ten goals in a game.
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I remember something like this happening. I got to see Egypt play Senegal in a World Cup 2002 qualifier in Cairo. Egypt were leading 1-0 and late in the game Senegal had a corner. As the match ball ricocheted around the Egyptian penalty area, a ball boy from behind the goal threw a second ball into the mix. I honestly can't remember what the ref did, except that when play stopped he red carded the ball boy. Egypt went on to win 1-0 but of course it was Senegal who progressed to the finals and did so well in Japan and South Korea.
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Thrown ball is an "outside agent", just like a dog that may run onto the field and touch the ball. Therefore, play is stopped when the game ball is struck and restarted with a dropped ball at the point of the contact (or the edge of the 6-yard box if the contact occurred within it)
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If I was the ref, I'd find the idiot that threw a ball onto the match and say "That was very immature".
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The ref should run towards the original ball, stumble and accidentally on purpose kick it into the goal. Afterwards he should claim a 'Wenger', saying that he didn't see what happened and award the goal.
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Drop ball, with every German player behind the ball. Ronaldo would obviously have missed anyway.
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Obviously you need two drop balls. One on the pitch where the match ball was interfered with, contested by the two teams, and one in the stands contested between Ronaldo and the spectator. At the drop ball on the pitch normal football rules apply, and in the stands, Queensbury Rules.
Also the spectator should be awarded Ronaldo's match fee.
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It's clearly RONALDO'S FAULT for not anticipating the ball thrown from the crowd. He should get suspended for unsporting behaviour by deliberately allowing his goalscoring opportunity to come to nothing.
The guy who threw the ball from the crowd should be given a knighthood and the referee should give him a kiss.
Play should resume with a free kick to Germany, and the ball that was thrown onto the pitch must now be used. The spectator should be compensated for the loss of his football.
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Red card to Ronaldo, for lashing out at the ball. Then the fan who through the ball, wearing an england shirt and Wayne Rooney Mask runs on, kicks Ronaldo in the groin and winks at the Portugese Bench.
Because of this all England, Austrian and swiss international and league matches are played behind closed doors for the rest of time and the FA are fined £1bn...
...But worth it though
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No Goal!! but i'll rather give a penalty that will make it fair =]
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