- 20 Jun 08, 11:09 PM
London
Has such an awful game ever finished in such gut-wrenching drama and contrasting emotions of joy and despair?
It was worth waiting every second of the turgid fare served up by Croatia and Turkey just for the excitement of Ivan Klasnic's last-minute header swiftly followed by Semih Senturk's last-second leveller and the subsequent penalty shoot-out.
If football is game of highs and lows, there can rarely have been greater extremes suffered by Croatia, who celebrated en masse one moment and were plunged into a pit of desperation the next.
And, with grim inevitability, I believe the real winners when the dust settles will be Germany.
And what about the opposing coaches?
Croatia's Slaven Bilic has become a flavour of the month in this tournament, but I believe he got himself too caught up in trying to celebrate victory prematurely and lost focus for vital seconds.
By all means show emotion on the touchline after a goal, but he was left looking embarrassed after he raced to leap in among his players when Klasnic headed what should have been the winner.
The coach should have been calm and calculating - not a raging ferment of excitement.
He had barely calmed down by the time Semih had stunned a team and a nation with, in this case literally, the final kick of the game.
Now we come to Turkey's Fatih Terim. The Emperor himself and fast becoming one of the real characters of Euro 2008.
He is a mixture of menace and emotion on the sidelines, and he has injected an incredible never-say-die attitude into his team.
It takes a fool to write Turkey off after three crucial last-minute goals and an advance to the semi-finals built on being in the lead for only nine minutes in the entire tournament.
So here you read the words of a fool because I do not believe Turkey will pull off a similar escape act in the semi-final against Germany.
I believe the bravery they showed to summon up that incredible equaliser will be their high spot of Euro 2008, the final act of survival of a team with a searing passion and spirit running right through them.
But that, for me, is that. Germany will beat Turkey to reach the final - in my humble opinion of course.
If I end up eating these words, I will be happy to offer my heartfelt apologies to this Turkey team and put them in print right here.
The lingering suspicion lurks in the back of your mind that, in footballing terms at least, we have another Greece on our hands here in a repeat of 2004's tournament in Portugal.
Back then, Otto Rehhagel's side manouevred their way through the competition to end as deserved winners.
Will Turkey do the same? Well if winners were built on character, survival instincts and sheer bloody-mindedness they will - but I just don't see it.
Arda Turan, Tuncay Sanli and Emre Asik are suspended for the game against Germany after picking up yellow cards against Croatia, while keeper Volkan Demirel is also suspended unless he wins an appeal.
Rustu has been a fine goalkeeper in the past, but he was a rare old mixture in Vienna and will have been the most relieved man at Euro 2008 to have the chance to redeem himself after a brainstorm on the grand scale gave Croatia what they thought was their winner.
Terim has shown fantastic motivational powers and is no coaching flash in the pan. This is not a case of The Emperor's New Clothes.
But it would take a huge under-estimation by Germany to fluff the chance of a place in the final - and they don't exactly have form for that failing.
So I will tempt fate and risk putting the curse on Germany by tipping them to beat Turkey in the semi-final.
Whatever the outcome, and I will not sit on the fence at this stage, Turkey have contributed hugely to the excitement and colour of what is turning into a classic Euro 2008.
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Surely there's no way Turkey can carry on scoring in the last minute like they've done for the past three games - if there's any team that can stop them doing that, it's definitely Germany.
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The same Germany that completely forgot to mark Postiga in their last match during the dying minutes? I don't see what's wrong with Bilic showing emotion at that stage, he like everyone else thought the match was over.
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Well done to Turkey for getting this far, and comiserations to Croatia.
Turkey scoring in the last minute again is perfectly possible, but by that point I can see Germany being 2-0 up.
Germany to be in the final for me.
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Turkey are heavily depleted attacking-wise for the Germany game and could find themselves defending and trying to play for a shoot-out AGAIN! I would rather see them go for it but a wise coach like Terim will use the players he has available to their strengths. They better hope they have Volkan back for that game though!
Turkey should really start with both Semih and Nihat up front. Play 4-4-2 with Marco Aurelio back. Kazim-Richards on the right, Mevlut Erdinc on the left and Hamit Altintop through the middle with Aurelio holding. With Emre Asik out, they will have to hope Servet Cetin is back AND Gokhan Zan improves ALOT! Keep Balta on the left and Sabri will have to be dropped unless he improves his defending.
1 thing I will say though... Germany's defence hasnt looked much good in any of the 4 games they have played. It would be best to test them thoroughly instead of playing for penalties...
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It's never over til ...you know the rest! A real test of character for Turkey. Turkey were in the top 4 in WC 2002. People seem to have forgotten that. Galatasaray won the UEFA cup in 2000. I cannot believe how dismissive the commentary team were towards Turkey - but to be fair Turkey didn't show much urgency until towards the end!
The semi against Germany will have almost as much passion as a colonial type game (for example France vs Senegal/Algeria/Morocco or England vs Australia/India/Pakistan). Of course Germany were never colonial masters of Turkey - its just that there is a large population of Turks in Germany and the rivalry will be intense.
I think a similar pattern will emerge as the Portugal match where efficient Germany will try and build up a lead earlier on, hoping that Turkey do not score enough goals towards the end. A game of two halves!
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The only thing that I know is Germans have got everything to loose but we have nothing. like yours, people are 100% sure that Germans will win. This makes it we have nothing to loose. If anyone have read the art of war, Zhu argues " if you know your enemy and yourself, you have great chance of winning, if you know yourself but not your enemy you have great chance of defeat." This implies that we know Germans, but they have no idea what we can do to them. In the meanwhile you people put your money down for Germany, and see what happens. Remember, Turkey only had1/33 chance in this Tournament, but we value the last second and also REMEMBER, WE PLAY THE BEST WHEN WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE.
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What would be great for the neutral fan (ME!!) would be an early Germany goal. Turkey would definitely have to come out and attack then!
P.S. The teams finishing 2nd in their respective groups seem to be doing well. Anyone betting against Russia v Italy in the other semi-final??? :)
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Germany have too much quality. The teams Turkey have won late against (Switzerland, Czech Rebublic and Croatia) are all fairly middle of the road (how can you tell I'm Scottish?) and they won't be able to stay with the Germans.
My money is on 3-1 Germany
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Germany is clearly better than Turkey but so were both Croatia and the Czech Republic. eventually, turkey will chose a more positive way of football and wont spoil it.
i say 3-1 to Germany but i am done with betting on turkey's games.
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Who said the Irish had the monopoly of luck? True the Turks could run out of luck (and players) but so could the Germans - particular after the recent game with Portugal. It still pains me that Ballack third goal should have be allowed but so much for bias and refereeing (...) My bet was a draw after 90 minutes. I "lost".
Given the large immigrant Turk population in Germany and the relatively easy access to Basel, the underdog effect may prove too much of a kebab for the Germans. It will be interesting to see how their robotic football will match the Turks' sheer heart and determination.
I am placing a cool £50 bet on Germany to loose. Please don't get me wrong McNulty, I understand your feelings for your cousins (same as mine) but I never allow these to interfer with my betting.
PS Wait! who will be refereeing?
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Turkey did not deserve today's victory. And it makes for a worse Euro 2008. Croatia are not a middle of the road team, they are better than that. They had the potential to go all the way. They were unlucky. But football is about converting your chances I guess. I like Bilic. He is great. Nothing wrong with getting caught up in the emotion of what appears to be a last gasp victory. The loss on penalties was inevitable. Croatia could not pick themselves up from going through the emotional wringer of taking the lead with one minute to go only to see Senturk sensationally equalise. Turkey were on a high, Croatia a low, there was only going to be one winner. And now Turkey have to face Germany without the influential Tuncay and Turan. I can't believe that I will be supporting Germany in any match let alone one in which the winner makes the final, but anything would be better than Turkey making it. Poor old Bilic, Klasnic and co, what a bitter result!
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8 years ago, most popular team in the UEFA CUP was Arsenal futhermore authorities believed 99% Arsenal will win the cup however i didnt work like that, now,this uefa cup is shown in the Galatasaray musium
dont forget, brave and patience always achieve every goal and this is what Turkish nation have
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Like Phil said, this is really turning out to be an amazing tournament. Almost every game is ends up being memorable for one reason or other. I had a presentation to prepare the night but I had to start it at 10pm because the Germany-Portugal was so engrossing.
Look back at Sweden - Russia, Turkey - Czech Rep, Italy - Romania, Italy - France, all the Holland games. I can't remember a tournament with this much excitement. England really won't be missed by the rest of the world here.
I'm glad Turkey made it through, although Croatia were my team of the tournament so far (Holland are great but let's compare man for man and you'll see my point) . The fact is, these 'lesser' teams have caught up with the big boys and made this whole tournament incredibly entertaining, almost as much as Euro 96. If only they had a catchy theme-song to go with it!
Holland - Germany final, Germany winners. it's so obvious no?
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Good article Phil, although I think you somewhat overplay the 'courage' you take in not sitting on the fence and writing off Turkey. If they do pull off a remarkable victory over Germany I for one will be celebrating in the streets, but I do not see any likelihood in this fantasy occurring.
However, I completely disagree with you regarding Slaven Bilic. He did go wild but then he also composed himself and started to shout orders to his players. I'd rather take a man passionate about what he does, and not scared to show his enthusiasm. Than for example someone who doesn't even put his umbrella to the side as his country crashes out of its qualifying group.
Bilic wears his heart on his sleeve, and if I was one of his players I would fight harder and run further.
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Might Don Reevie...Did you say the winner makes the final?
Could a middle of the road team like 2008 Germany match Holland or Spain? Not to mention those with the greatest number of fans in the Olympus: Italy?
If there is any sense in a sentient universe, Germany will be out in a game or two - even assuming she is playing "at home". She played at home in the last world cup and lost. So much for the home factor.
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Tuncays booking was not a booking. The ref was absolutely awful tonight, whistle after whistle. You are allowed to touch, not for this ref, I dont think he has ever even kicked a ball considering what he thought was a foul and it didnt help the game. To get a ref as bad as this for the quarters is typical.
Incidently the refs were told pushing and shoving in the box is a pen, so the one ref who gives it is sent packing whilst now they have decided against it, instead just some pointless words from the ref each corner. Its quite a joke organisation to preach something, then have someone follow it and then not back them.
Turkey would have had a chance but without Tuncay, Arda and Asik Im not sure how they can win other than on penalties. The manager said he has 15 players, well he has 12 now and if nihat is injured then he has no subs? Not sure if thats even allowed, but its the quote he said he had 15.
Croatia got a little bit cocky in the run up to this game and they didnt take their chances in this game and thats why they have lost, I dont think they deserved to lose, but I dont think they deserved to win either.
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I'm betting Germany to beat Turkey in the semi final. If the turks sit back and try to defend they will surely be done by a headed goal. If I was Turkey I'd be tempted to spring a surprise and just attack from the start. Even so I can't see them winning.
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I don't understand why Phil is so eager to dismiss the Turks in the semifinal so early. It would have beem more manly if instead he would have rejoiced the guts, never say die attitude, and skill and quality of the Turks. Lucks does not come to you for nothing. It wasn't just luck that Simeh scored the goal with the last kick of the match, he also has the skill to do it as well. It was't just luck that Nihat scored the third goal against the Czeck. It is the one of the best goals of this championship if not the best. Why don't people don't look at the silky and nice passing paly the Turks play. I am a fan of English football but have never seen them play as well as the Turks do. It is my advise not just for Phil but the other BBC pundits as well to grow up and appreciate the Turks, and acknowledge that they are a better team. I saw the Greeks win in 2004, they did it their way, good or bad, but it was appriciated, now the Turks are winning and they also need to be appreciated.
They may or may not win the semi final but not appreciating them is cruel.
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Although the Turks are the comeback kings, Germany had found a bit of form lately and are playing some good football. They start scoring goals too so I can't see Turkey beating the Germans. They may get a late goal again but by that time the Germans would probably be 4-0 ahead.
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I don't agree with your comments towards Bilic's celebrations, it's like your blaming him for losing the match. Plus I'd much rather have a manager like him on the sidelines than some plank like McLaren.
Felt really sorry for Croatia tonight, such a cruel way to go out. I do feel however that they lacked a cutting edge upfront and if Eduardo had been fit then the game would have been comfortably wrapped up before 90 minutes.
With regards to Turkey winning the tournament I just can't see it happening. Too many top teams left and their luck has got to run out sometime....surely?
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I think it would be better if the Turks don't play for a penalty shootout because...well let's face it their playing Germany.
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i really want Turkey to beat those Germans. they just keep coming up with these dramatic comebacks but unfortunatly the Germans don't usually let that happen to them. hopefully it will happen this time. come on Turkey. you can do it.
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Gulmithik m8 i think not many people are appreciating Turkey's play because it appears very negative and they dont tend to turn it on until they are down. Granted its great enetertainment but to call it good football is far fetched. If Turkey were so silky and good then why dont they show it thru the whole match? Pure luck in my veiw!Play this match 10 times over Croatia would win 8 out of 10....thats 5/1 odds for Turks anyday. Its not silky whatsoever if u compare to the hypnotising stuff the Dutch, Russians(bar spain game) and Spanish have produced throughout the tournament
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I think this has started to become a trend with the BBC and the british.
I mean come on, this is not even the first day after the match and the very first article you read from BBC is how turks will be defeated by germany.
Where is the celebration where is the congratulation for rewarding us with such an entertaining game and doing this for the last 3 games. I haven't enjoyed a football tournament this much in years
But I'm not suprised any more. The amount of bias and negative media against these people are way over the top.
Why can't we just celebrate this team and what they have done for this tournament and the game of football. But no let's try to find names like come backs kings and such. For me this is what football is all about the. the unexpected the last second goals the suprises, this is what makes this game beautiful.
Or do you want one team to score in the first half and have the clock wind down for the rest of the game. Or perhaps just like formula 1; the pole position wins the race, no need even to watch the race...
I'm enjoying and celebrating every second of the turkish game and what they are bringing to the table and to my screen. This is a team sport and of split second opportunities this is not luck or math where 2+2 doesn't equal 4.
I celebrate the turks for the heart and the fight they put on the field. Everyone can take away a few lessons from this team
Hope to see the turks in the finals to watch another epic classic!
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Germany vs. Turkey is going to be one of the beautiful games of this tournament and many of us can not wait to see this all-important match to come on.
The truth of the matter is that it is too close to call and in football one should be prepared for any thing bearing in the outcome of Germany-Portugal match.
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Turk means expect unexpected. We might loose the game with Germany however we will exhibit outstanding effort untill the referees last whistle blow. Please remember history has a way repeating itself. Strenght, Honor Proud Turkish footballers and full-hearthfully fanatic followers. History DOKTORR
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Turkey remind me of a certain team that won Euro 2004.... Its semi final time, thus anything could happen. Look at it from this point of view. Germany have been inconsistant. Whereas, Turkey are riding a wave of momentum. Inconsistency Vs Momentum.
I know which one I would prefer...
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Is Turkey a team of great pretenders? A team of great pretenders that can score at will when necessary? Croatia played better, but the match is not one-sided after all.
Most may see Germany is a favorite in the semi-final. However, Turkey may defend the set pieces much better than Portugal.
Germany is not significantly better than Turkey. Both teams scored similar goals during the tournament. Obviously, you may argue the spectacular free kick from Ballack, but Turkish goalkeeper saved a good free kick from today's game too.
The semi-final would be a 50-50 game. Either team may get to the final.
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The Germans have weaknesses a clever team might exploit. The Germans are likely to win.....but not certain to win.
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Like a few others ... I disagree with Phil blaming Bilic for the emotion he showed. I think it is refreshing and it fires up the players more than a "calm and calculating" manager would. Lets have more passion! If you can't celebrate a key goal like Croatia scored last night when can you? Croatia lost ... these things happen in football and there doesn't have to be someone to blame everytime. That is why England aren't at Euro 2008 because if Bilic was England Manager he would be slaughtered in the press and be discouraged from ever showing emotion like that. Likewise the players are so scared of taking risks and being creative because if it doesn't come off they'll be slaughtered too. If England fans (and press) could get behind their team thru good and bad then I bet we would see England win some trophies again. "Calm and calculating" England are, lets have some more passion!
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Yes it was like wading through treacle for 118mins but perhaps that was the Turkish game plan?
They literally sapped Croatia's spirit. Ground them down ans the minutes ticked away, switched to 4-4-2 and were by far the best team in ET.
Turkey's motto seems to be "never say never" and if I was a German fan I'd be very worried...
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"The coach should have been calm and calculating - not a raging ferment of excitement."
I see what you mean, but all people are different, his passion is one of the reasons he is so popular.
Also it would seem that you weren't paying attention, as after allowing himself a brief celebration he went to his players and urged them to calm down, as he waved them back to the half way line.
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I think Phil is forgetting something important. Germany lost control of the Portugal game in last 20 minutes after Ballack's fouled goal. Germany do not play so cold-hearted and clever when they are leading the game. Turkey is known to play with fatih when the opponents lead the game. If Germany can not lead the game more than two goals, this time Turkey will will win the match. Arda is missing the next match, however Gokdeniz and Ugur Boral are also very clever players as an alternative. So, wait and see how Germans panic in the second half.
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Turkey deserve to be in the semi final. They don't compare to Greece four years ago - they have much better players and can be entertaining to watch. They may beat Germany but I can't see them beating any of the teams in the other half of the draw in the final. My money's on Russia. Wouldn't it be great to see a Russia Turkey final?
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I have to say that Turkeys' victory last night was a travesty. They played poorly and defensively for nearly all the match and then score with their first shot on goal. Plucky they may be, but one of the best four teams in Europe, they aren't. Germany will walk over them with ease in the semis
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For the sake of the thrilled exciting EURO 08, I would give up Turkey. They have shown their ultimate drama with a last second leveler goal ( I refuse to call it a last minute goal) plus the penalty shoot-out of which I had been desperately wishing for. I am not sure they could feed my thrilled-drama-thirsty soul more.
I am enough with turkey, now I am for Germany.
Phil, this is a great reading, excellent piece of work. Yours have been always my favorite! Keep up the crispy writing.
I am 100% with you including the apology thing of Turkey wins over the Germans.
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The Greece analogy isn't very fitting here, keeping in mind that Greece got through due to what is commonly known as "anti-football"
with no signs of courage or fighting spirit.
In Turkey's case it's the complete opposite. They've fought until the dying seconds and it has helped them three times in a row.
I don't think Greece's wins thrilled anybody, not even their own fans.
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Sadly, I think Germany will progress (believe me I hope not...) but it will be the same as always. The Germans have a "tall" "physical" team, and that's what undid the "Portuguese" they were too far away from the Germans, if you using Pressing against Germany and add to that a fast passing game, thier weaknesses at the back are revealed.
It's no good whacking in crosses all the time, like the Turks did against the Czechs on a rainy evening for the last 15 mins.
Germany can deal with those all day.
Germany play a far better game than they once did, but if they meet a "physical" team that don't allow them any space they have no answer (see Croatia game) it's a crying shame that Croatia have gone out as they could have sorted out Germany again.
What the Turkish side lacks is the ability and will to take the lead, when the opponent is tired they try relentlessly to make 1 or 2 goals good, if they go 1 goal behind that will become 2 and then knowing Germany 2 and 3.
Even the Turks can't score 3 in 10 mins against the Germans.
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Turkey are not a credit to this tournament despite some very fortunate last minute goals. They have been negative and poor throughout the tournament and spoilt the game last night.
A silly Cech error (alright the 3rd goal was really good) against the Czechs, a deflection against the Swiss and a hoof up field for about their first (deflected) effort in the second half against the Croats does not mean they deserve to be where they are.
This tournament has been the best since '94 for quality and excitement but the Turks have been a detriment and it now leaves us with a dour semi final of German systematic attacking and Turkish hoof's up field and defensive regroup rather than an exciting rematch between 2 quality side.
Boo Turkey (by the way I have nothing against the Turks just the style of football they have played)
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So i`m German.....and I`m not very worried.
It was a really poor game yesterday evening...the turks plays very destructive...no real chance to shot a goal.
118 minutes boredom....2 minutes action...to play with my sons playstation is much more exciting.
So Croatia vs Germany would be much more digreeable.
4:1 Germany....
final Germany vs Italy...
with penalty shootout.
The winner ....????
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but anything would be better than Turkey making it. Poor old Bilic, Klasnic and co, what a bitter result!
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You're joking right?
Croatia were AWFUL. As, indeed, were Turkey.
Either of them would make for a dreary drab talentless final.
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Croatia was awful???? Only in using their chances.
Awful was Turkey.
I hope for a great quarter final this evening...with the winner russia :-))
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the 'commentary' lawro provided was annoying,hes the worst, i feel for motty when hes with him.in the end i switched over to 5live comm, graham taylor n th other dude much better to hear. brilliant game.
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I hope for a great quarter final this evening...with the winner russia :-))
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Typical, German attitude hating the Dutch and hoping that a if Germany reach the final an "easy" opponent, ha. If Russia did reach the final Germany would be on it's knees inside 45 mins, one thing the German game can't handle is pace.
BTW the German media is a disgrace so "biased" it beggars belief
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Could many peoples' belief that Turkey will be done over by Germany be more a reflection of their desire to Turkey fall at the next hurdle than an exercise in predicting outcomes based on impartiality?!
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does no one remember the group game between Germany and Croatia where Croatia dominated and won...why will it be so hard 4 us to beat the Germans...If Croatia can do it then why cant we...we put Croatia out...c'mon Turkiye, Deli Turk varmi oglum buralarda....!!!!
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Turkey's luck has run out. Germany will put 5 past them, at least! They are the the most boring team in Euro 2008, and the worst by a mile. Bye-bye Turkey, thank goodness.
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does no one remember the group game between Germany and Croatia where Croatia dominated and won...why will it be so hard 4 us to beat the Germans...I
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Difference being firstly, if the Germans have as many chances as Croatia they will score meaning that the team (Turkey) chasing the goal deficit will open up more giving even more chances to the Germans.
Secondly, you have got to try and take the lead, when has this team actually tried to take the lead. If the Germans were to go 2 up, they would put 11 men behind the ball and Turkey just would get through.
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I fail to comprehend this continuous discrediting and undermining of an incredible fighting side with a never-die winning attitude. A country who became third in the last World Cup, beat a seemingly impenetrable Greek side, many tried and failed during the last Euro Cup, by a convincing score (4 -1) at their highs and in Athens during qualifications, also beat a scary for most Norwegian side away in their last group match, then beat Swiss, and UEFA’s very highly seeded Czech Republic convincingly before coming here and beating Croatia at the end of the day without really defending well, and everyone is still talking about luck, and undeserved success. Are we so blinded with our prejudices? Modern football is a game of strategies, and at the end only ‘winning’ matters. Well done Turkey! Success and best wishes to you with the next match against Germans. Thank you for making this tournament a tremendous joy to watch for all football lovers and others…
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Don't write Turkey off just yet......watch them put on the best defensive display against Germany and hold out til the end.
Turkey to win on penalties !
Or...Rustu to score from a header in the dying seconds of normal time. No chance?? There's EVERY chance! lol
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Credit to the Turks for their last gasp equaliser but Croatia particularly Olic were disappointing for me. They had the quality to win the game in the 90mins and will rue the chances they missed when a goal would've inevitably have opened the match up in their favour.
I can't see Turkey beating Germany for four reasons; Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Ballack and Podolski - one of the players of the tournament for me. If there is a 'spine' to the German team as the legendary Mr Shearer puts it - these players are it. A moment of inspiration from any one of them and German are through.
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Typical, German attitude hating the Dutch
That`s not true...the Germans don`t hate the Dutch..this is many years ago....it`s only a rivality like english and scotish people.
And you will see....Italy will win against Spain...and Russia or the Dutch.....
It`s not the first tournament with a bad start for
the Italians.
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To the writer of this article Phil. I promise you, I will come back to your site and make you eat your words after Turks beating Germany. As you commented generously now and giving credits to Germans, I can ensure you that you will be very embaressed after the game.
To me you are opne of those guys who talks big has no action. I also thought you wrote your article without thinking carefully.
You enjoy your time this week and show of to everyone and try to make them believee that Germans will beat Turks, but we will proof othervise in the just ginal seconds of the game. Watch us dooooo philly boy.
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Mr McNulty - V. Poor blog in my opinion. Predictable and really nothing in it to add insight to anyone who watched the match. I know that it is difficult to innovate, but the BBC coverage (MoN apart) generally has been trite and glib particularly BBC1. There is a need to refresh the coverage generally in my opinion. Lawrenson in particular is very stale as is Motson (boring stats),. Sadly, Lineker after a bright start, needs to change or get a new joke writer. Disparaging remarks and puns on players names (Yakin Lackin/ Polish names scrabble scores etc) do little to enhance the standard of the broadcast, particularly when the two Alans grin cospiratorially as if the asides are funny and no home nation qualified. A bit more respect from them is needed.
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Turkey to win on penalties !
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Germany have only ever missed 2 pens at a major championships ever.
Turkey are missing several players for the next game and their brilliant (if not slightly mad) keeper, so unless they do a 180° turn and kick off the game by running straight at the German defence and trying to score, it looks very unlikely that they can win.
BTW the teams with the most possession have almost all won their games so far, and as the possession was split 50/50 last night I would say the pen shootout was inevitable
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Fatih would have to be concussed if he tries to play for penalties againstthe Germans who, as we all know, never lose on penalties. therefore the turks will ahve to try and win in normal time...
cant see that happening
PRED - Germany 4-0 Turkey
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does no one remember the group game between Germany and Croatia where Croatia dominated and won...why will it be so hard 4 us to beat the Germans...
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You know the answer.
In the group game Croatia vs Germany...the first shot of the croatian .... goal!
In the game against Turkey they shot many times......without any success.
If Germany played bad against the croatian.....Turkey played worst. But the luck....
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That's good innit, the Germans going on about luck...............
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Turkey's going to make a believer out of you Phil, and not only are you going to eat your words, but possibly choke on them.
Typical Brit attitude to over-respect Germans. They are, like every other team, a team and can be defeated.
Your lack of faith in yourself is why why you aren't in the Championships as a nation.
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Do it again guys. For Turkey, do it!
Pump the Germans up. Make them favorites.
For the bigger they are, the harder we take them down.
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I can hardly imagine Turkey hitting the fourth shock of the tournament in yhe semi final stage of the competition. I wrote them off against the fluid Czech Republic and they came out triumphant. I gave them no chance again against the resolute Croats but they came out scorching. Will I still write them off against the Germans? Of course, I will give them no chance against the Germans in the semi final because the 'machines' also never say die. If they produce a win against the Germans, that will the greatest miracle of EURO 2008. Before Turkey match against Czech Republic, coach Karel Bruckner said that Turkey is capable of beating any team in the world and Turkey beat them. However, I am not Bruckner and I think that there are teams in the world that Turkey cannot beat and Germany is one of them.
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I can not see Germany beating Turkey.
Hamit Altintop will kill the Germans in midfield, expect a goal from Hamit. Also Aurelio is back in the squad with Topal they will lock the centre midfield and help the wings. My guess is early Turkey goal in the first half, and than 2 more late in the second half...... 3-0 Turkey.
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I can hardly imagine Turkey hitting the fourth shock of the tournament in the semi final stage of the competition. I wrote them off against the fluid Czech Republic and they came out triumphant. I gave them no chance again against the resolute Croats but they came out scorching. Will I still write them off against the Germans? Of course, I will give them no chance against the Germans in the semi final because the 'machines' also never say die. If they produce a win against the Germans, that will the greatest miracle of EURO 2008. Before Turkey match against Czech Republic, coach Karel Bruckner said that Turkey is capable of beating any team in the world and Turkey beat them. However, I am not Bruckner and I think that there are teams in the world that Turkey cannot beat and Germany is one of them.
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Interesting how a commentary on Croatia - Turkey can turn into a Germany-bashing by some bloggers...
That aside, there are two observations that make this tournament special and enjoyable for me:
1.) Spirit, Passion and Youthfulness beats Experience, Boredom and Result-Protection (god bless comeback wins)
That's why Sweden, France and the Czechs didn't make it from the favourites and why Germany and Italy came just second to younger, more passionate and exciting sides. Sneijder, D. Villa, Podolski, Modric, Arshavin are the big impact players this time, and they're all up and coming. The ageing superstars are just outrun and "outpassioned". (it's not just age, it's attitude!)
2.) ...and the reason why Portugal and Croatia are gone - Momentum is key and all teams that have rested their top 10 players in seemingly meaningless games are paying the price now. A spirited win in a do-or-die situation provides more motivation and builds a stronger team than the benefit of rest can ever make up for.
That said, see Russia and Italy put up some serious challenges - I love Euro 2008!
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Again, I'v picked up todays papers to read bias and emphasised sympathy towards the croatians rather than the courage, spirit, and determination of a relatively inexperienced, young Turkey side. Fact; that Turkey were outplayed during the majority of the game and spent more time on the backfoot rather than in the other half; Fact that we had 6/7 FIRST team players out due to injury/suspension; fact that we were written off way before the opening game of the tournament describing Turkey as a team that 'wasn't capable of setting Euro 2008' on fire' Fact; that nobody wants us to succeed nor do well except for the 70 Million in Turkey and fact; that we may have had luck on our side. Fact; we have converted pretty much all of the chances we have had when it has most mattered; Fact; We are the only team in Europe who approaches a game with belief until the last kick of the game, the only nation whose players borderline with fans and followers to form a unbreakable unity during the most disastrous of times. Pride, passion and motivation erupts when it is needed most, whatever people may say about Turkey and however 'lucky' we may seem. There seems to be an added impatience in the air of those who can't wait to see the turks crumble at the next stage. I think the fact that croatia put England out miserably is too much to bear for BBC and sky sports pundits so searching for excuses and 'unluckyness' on their behalf is a solid way to actively discourage underdog bravery, and sweep the technical and mental faults of the England team under the carpet. The spirit in the camp is high and you can tell the way we replied after Croatia scored the goal, the game was pretty much over, players fatiuged, and mentally the goal was a crucifying blow, you'd think no team could stay intact. But the luck of the ball and the nothing to lose mentality kept us going and it showed that we have what it takes between the ears to reach the final, and if our key players return maybe even win this tournament. Who knows? Its easy to type comments and write off but its incredibly difficult to do what Turkey have done in the past 3 games. COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Typical Brit attitude to over-respect Germans. They are, like every other team, a team and can be defeated.
Your lack of faith in yourself is why why you aren't in the Championships as a nation.
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ha ha ha, no, England is not at the championships as the FA decided to rent a muppet as manager, that coupled with too many nerves and that lack of will to finish off an opponent instead of trying to kill the game cost England.
If you don't respect your opponent you can't beat them, you need to be able to recognise your opponents strengths and weaknesses, only then can you develope a strategy to win.
The Turkish gameplan was to wait and see what the other team does and spend the last quarter of hour pounding their defence until something gives.
Which is no tactic, if Cech hadn't dropped that ball Croatia would have been in the semis by now.
The only strength of the Turkish team is run run run. This time they are going to run .......out of luck!
Mind you I hope I'm wrong.
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I agree Phil. I never thought i would say it, but i have been 'supporting' Germany throughout. Tough and i have always loved their attitude which carries them over the line so often when they are not as technically adept as others. This side is a good side though with Ballack immense at the moment and i'm so pleased for Jens that he is playing well.
Germany to beat the Turks, Russia to frighten the Dutch to death but lose narrowly. Spain to tip out the Italians and then its a toss up as to who goes on to win it. Cd be Spain as i think they will reach the Final too, but i'll stick with Germany!
The Dutch, good as they have looked, have not yet met a top striker at the top of his game yet and they have suspect defenders that will be found out when they do.
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always loved their attitude which carries them over the line so often when they are not as technically adept as others. This side is a good side though with Ballack immense at the moment
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Not true though is it, the Germans have a great "basic" technical training.
Ballack is not as good as he was at the WC, he's getting better but has still not adapted to the English game which has affected his form.
If he was in the form of 3-4 years back the Germans really would be unstoppable
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After having watched such an incredible excitement, everybody has withnessed the beauty of football.
Footbal should never be expressed with certain cliches everybody is quite familiar with and is always open to miracles as happended for Greece in the past tournament. Quality does not necessarily mean a sure win in this game.
Germany, armed with highly experienced players and surgin strength, seems to be the prospective winner against Turkey's crippled hands. However, Turkey's resolute faith to fight to the very end might prove next Wednesday to be another remarkable night for millions of people around the world. I recommed Mr. Lowe to be cautious ever with this phenomenal Turkish team.
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That was such a dire game that had my remote control not run out of batteries I would've switched channels after the first half. Luckily for me I was lazy enough to sit it out and was rewarded with a spellbinding finish.
I think Croatia were unlucky not to be in front at the end of normal time. They seemed to lack the final touch, moving the ball well until they reached the penalty box then continually throwing away hard earned chances. I don't think Germany will squander such chances, their discipline and organization will give them the vital final few yards and they have players who can finish.
And should it come to penalties, it would take a brave man to bet against the Germans!!
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Was it so terrible? It was 82 fahrenheit, which is 28C.
You can't expect gung ho football in that heat.
Also, remember, Turkey had several players missing for various reasons, full credit to them fr their never say die spirit, I say.
I also think they play better football than Greece did 4 years ago.
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englandcome on
I never said they were not technically good . Im alluding to the fact that they have gone to tournaments, particularly WCs, down the years with very ltd technical abilty compared to their oppnents, yet still got to Final's. German football has been in the doldrums for some time and they are inching their way out of it. They used to vreate the Netzers and the Backanabaurs and the Mullers like shelling peas at one time. No more, but they are getting there and playing with added nous and skill as opposed to over reliance on dogged power. Its called learning new approaches after watching how the World game is developing which England never do, being to idle, too simple and too arrogant to bother and why they are like old dinosaurs and thankfully nearly extinct!
Ballack was arguably the best midfielder in Europe post Xmas last season and his form has cont'd.
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If Turkey fail to beat Germany they will have only themselves to blame.
This edition of Germany players are almost all too old, too tall, too fat, too slow and have quite poor technical skills, can't pass, can't run, can't control the ball, maybe can shoot a little (Misha Ballack and Bastian Schweinsteiger come to mind). Add to this the blundering tactician Loew, and a huge Mannschaft bureaucracy serving them (working hard but producing few results) and the picture will be complete.
If Turkey don't let all this Germany-will-win propaganda get to them, they will themselves win quite easily and won't even need a comeback.
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Ballack will build on his last game. I don't think Turkey can win against Germany.
However, I don't think the game will be a walk. Turkey will play and I can only expect it to be a great match!
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@droog
You're quite a genius, aren't you:
Here's the German squad against Portugal (w/o keeper, whose age doesn't really matter)
Lahm - 24
Metzelder - 27
Mertesacker - 23
Friedrich - 29
Podolski - 23
Rolfes - 26
Hitzlsperger - 26
Schweinsteiger - 23
Ballack - 31
Klose - 30
Jansen - 22
Borowski - 28
Fritz - 27
That's an average of 26.1 and the oldest player is 31!
And ask the Portuguese whether they think the German height was a severe disadvantage (lol)
Bit surprising how they made it to the semis without any skill - you should apply with the FA, there must be a job for you...
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Well, I hope all the remaining teams (as well as all the sports commentators) continue to underestimate the Turks as they will be punished for their mistake at the end of the game...
Turkish team wins due to their determination and not giving up against all odds... I think the game against Germany will be the easiest one for the Turks so far... wait and see
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When Muhammad Ali beat George Foreman in Zaire, he used the same tactics the Turks have -- tire out your opponent, then counter-attack.
Any team that goes at 100 mph in 30-degree heat and high humidity is only going to tire itself out within the first hour. The fact that both Croatia and Turkey played 120 minutes of football is in itself no mean feat.
The Turks may not have played the prettiest football, but tactically, they didn't do badly -- they played the way they wanted to, not just to entertain but to win, by letting the Croats come at them, soak up the pressure and
get rid of the ball out of their own half as quickly as possible.
Manchester United became European Champions in 1999 in injury time, and were well and truly beaten for the 91 preceding minutes. The Turks have shown a true never-say-die attitude that comes not from fat-cat wages but from having passion and determination.
Playing for, and representing, your national team in any sport is an absolute privilege and should be a matter of intense honour and pride for those selected. You shouldn't get paid for it, and any rewards should come only after you win the final game.
If our lot (England) had the same attitude as the Turks have displayed, we would be Champions of Europe and Champions of the World, because we have the talent, it's the EGO that lets us down every time.
Negative comments about the Turks doesn't help our cause and sounds too much like sour grapes.
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Time after time after time, teams who do well in the group stages get found out when it comes to the real tournament of knockout.
Croatia and Portugal so far. I would not be surprised at all if the Netherlands joined them in the graveyard.
Did anyone elase become bored with the fawning praise heaped on Portugal? Why? they had nothing to deserve it, excpet beating teams who weren't very good in the first place.
What really got to the Portugese was the fact that England weren't there to beat on penalties. As a result (draw after 120 minutes)they were clueless as to what to do!!
The final will be between those kings of obduracy, Germany and Italy. It's always the flipping same when Italy start badly.
Germany v Turkey, with all due respect, is a no-contest that I've seen so often in comps before - when one team has gone a game too far above their station in football's heirarchy
Unless, of course, Uefa reduces the match to two minutes duration.
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he shouldn have been a raging fearment of exitement??????
what a moron!!!
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hi friends. i am turkish. i saw in last night match. Our team really believe win the match.(Example. switzerland first half 1-0. end the match 2-1. chech republic 2-0, end the match 3-2. And Crotia minute 119 our team 1-0 lose but our team don't break. We found goal in minute 120+2. And now turkey is in half final. Our competitor Germany now. Germany is good team. But Turkey is good and young and believe team. Germany will not win to easy. Germany can will next match but don't be easy. Very difficult match. I'm sure Turkey will come to Basel for win the match. And You will see. Turkey is going to be champion for EURO 2008. We beileve this.
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The same Germany that completely forgot to mark Postiga in their last match during the dying minutes? I don't see what's wrong with Bilic showing emotion at that stage, he like everyone else thought the match was over.
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This, remember, is the "emotion" which caused the referee to add on over a minute at the end of extra time. Time which Turkey used to score their equaliser.
In retrospect, Bilic maybe should have just sat on his hands for a couple of minutes...
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I live in Germany and take an interest in the national team.They are heavily overrated by their press and by the german population.They are at best mediocre.agianst Poland the poles bottled it,The Croatians played them at their own game i.e. aggressive with too much skill,the portugese realised too late that they could beat them and were already 2-0 down. I´ve seen turkey play and they are not a bad team, plus they´ll have back all their suspended players from yesterday except their goalie.
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Think twice before saying Germany will beat Turkey for sure... coz you've been making the same comments for last three games and It seems you haven't learnt yet Turkey shouldn't be underestimated! We've seen the most amazing games -thanks to Turkey- and you still complain. If England were not able to qualified that is not Turkey's fault. Rüstü, Arda, Tuncay, Hamit, Nihat, Semih and all the rest, good job guys!! Finally you've taught Europe that until the ref blows the last whistle the game is still going on!! Ignore the baseless comments, you deserve a huge applause!! No matter you beat Germany or not, I'll always be proud of you!! "Ne mutlu Türk'üm diyene!" M. Kemal ATATÜRK
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this is a crazy game , dont try to understand dont try to find facts , just have fun , like wo do . sense , logic whatever else dont work in this scene . winner is madness
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now everyone is talking about turkey being the new greece they will lose turkey are a poor team and will lose heavily to germany
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I agree Turkey ur luck has run out!!! There is only so much Jam u can get. Ur last 3 games have had MORE JAM THAN ASDA
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If Turkish team were playing bad why Croatia didnt beat them? must be alot goals by them.
If Turkish team win without any quality or tecnics so it means it should be a real achievement.
Without many good players they are playing well. Their tactics is their hearts.
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mampi you sound a bit bitter cuz! dont worry about it! go play pro or somethin!! don't stress yourself let us do the stressing and winning!
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As someone who plays football myself, i would have found it almost impossible to mount a comeback after that last minute 'winner' from klasnic, such is the devastation i would be feeling. Its probably the best comeback iv ever seen down simply to the mental toughness rerquired. No matter how many players are injured/suspended for the germany match, i would never write off a team with such a desire to win
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It was unfortunate that Arda and Tunca were suspended. However, once we put our hearts and determination to the very last minute, we level up. Mere luck has nothing to do with our winnings. If so, then why did we lose against portugal? A team cannot be in the best 4 by mere luck. We fight and fight, even if they score it doesn't demoralize us. The other way around, this encourages us. Fatih Terim does this pretty well. He keeps his footballer's morale in the highest level. We'll do the same against Germany. We'll play till the very last moment of the match. Football is 90 minutes. We'll play for 90 mins with our determination, patience and hearts.
Greetings from Turkey.
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im hoping we can get a few of our injured players fit for wednesday. would give us a real chance of doing it in full time.
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I want you to remember the World cup. Turkey has a chance to kick out German team. If I am write, Phil you should appoligize for your "fool" words about Turkey and our team. If I am not on estimation, "I thought" you should again "appoligize" from us for using such a slang words and annoying explanations about Turks.
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The Turks have too many weaknesses which Croatia incredibly, failed to exploit. Germany won't though, they'll put four past them. Mind you the Germans have their own defensive problems so Turkey might reply with a couple.
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I dont think it is fair comparing Turkey team to Greece, because Greece won the cup by just defnding and scoring only one goal in each game. However, Turkey played enjoyable games apart from portugal game and scored 5 goals in 2 group games and coming behind in both games. I think you should give more sympathy to the Turks and I would not be surprised if they see the final and you would be eating your words in this columns as you promised
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"The coach should have been calm and calculating - not a raging ferment of excitement."
An interesting comment Phil. What did you think of the two coaches' reactions when England played Croatia at Wembley? With Steve McClaren looking calm and calculated under his umbrella, his suit certainly stayed dry.
I bet Steve had the last laugh when Bilic stopped emotionally celebrating the 3 goals Croatia scored to beat England. Slaven's suit must have been soaked. It was like he didn't care about what people thought of him.
Ask any England supporter what they wanted from a manager that night. I don't think it was a calm and calculated dry suit.
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Written like a true English... "do not show emotions" no matter what happens....you are not Bilic, you can't understand what one with a passion can do, you have cold blood in your veins , he is a hot blooded human...go out get some sun shine!. and on the Turks... who knows, we all will be watching. I hope you will eat your words, not that I believe Turks will win but what if!!???
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I would love to see Turkey defeat Germany but they have only 14 players left and yes Nihat is out too for Germany game. Terim chose a rather controversial squad for this tournament. He chose players that haven't played for long time in their club teams and left out many well performing players that regularly play in their club teams. Many injuries are because of the lack training in those players. Leaving out high performing quality players already showed its affects but in Germany game it will be ver very apparent. It will be a very hard for Turkey to defeat Germany not because Germany are much better than other teams Turkey defeated but because the squad is not deep enough to absorb current injuries and suspensions. I really would have wanted this game between first team of both teams, Turkey will be playing with its second team(practically if squad were to be chosen carefully still it wouldn't have been this bad this team is literally the third or the fourth team of Turkey) I hope I am wrong but seems like Terim's squad selection is going to hunt him down. So far Turkey added a lot of color and enjoyment to the tournament please do not compare to Greece in 2004, there is nothing dull about games of Turkey
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Germany are a limited side and if you face up to them physically and are not afraid of them you can beat them. They suffer from a severe lack of confidence at the back and can be cracked. Let them browbeat you,like the portugese did,and they beat you.
Turkey will miss their suspended players,but if they play to their strengths and without fear they can win. But it´s going to be close or is that Klose.
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It is very hard to see how Turkey will beat Germany but they have produced miralces in the last two games for sure. However, that being said they have numerous players suspended for the semi-finals as well as injuries.
They will need to play better than they did against croatia as they barely threatened unitl they scored right at the death. Croatia should have finished them off when they had the chances. Their penalties takers were short of shocking ... however i think they were still stunned from the last minute equaliser!
I will be willing Turkey on in the semis but I can't help but doubt that they will indeed beat Germany. Can they produce another miracle?
Still, they can be proud of their achievement so far, as they have exceeded expectations!
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Hadi türkiye, hadi türkiye!!! come on the boys! i was there last night...incredible!! our fans are the best in the world, the atmosphere was electric, we didn't stop singing the whole match. all these english fans who can't take it that they're not there..who can't accept that 'little ol' turkey' are in the semis. well sod them and sod all the pundits who don't give us the credit we deserve. we're better than greece were 4 yrs ago, we play better football. this proves that it's not a fluke us finishing third in the 2002 world cup and if we reach the final we deserve it. it's about time turkey were recognised. we're in the semis because we've been one of the best teams in the euros. bloggers on here who say 'i don't want turkey in the final' can stick it. where are england?
come on turkey!!
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well said: football is a game of ups and downs. Who knows what will happen... Neither side scored for two hours, then 2 goals came in the final minutes. Germany may be more skilled than Turkey, maybe not. But Turkish side is much... much more motivated and they have an incredible unbreakable spirit that lasts throughout the entire game. And it is this spirit and motivation that enables a player to make full use of his abilty. Take Christiano Ronaldo into hand. He's considered to be one of the most talented players when it comes to creativity and one-on-one plays. If he is nervous that day, doubting his ability even the slightest, that man is bound to make mistakes.
My point is, Turkey is a team of believers. Everyone in the team plays like a hero on the field when Fatih Terim successfully injects the spirit into them. Turkey will surely struggle, maybe even fall behind, but will never give up trying to turn the game in their favor until the last second, as they have done so far. And thats why Turkey should not be looked down upon.
...and what you call "luck", "coincidence" or whatever, might turn out to be something you do not consume, so it would be wise for Germans if they do not think that Turkey have already used up their luck. It just may turn out to be another game won by a luck. Whats important as you all know, is that you win the game... not how you do it.
May the luck be with you Turkey... Again :)
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i really hope we win against the germans and shut up all those people who continue to doubt us and don't give us the credit we merit!! come on turkey!!
p.s. we'll deserve to win the euros if we do.. unlike greece in 2004
hadi turkiye!!
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people like mightydonrevie, mampiswift and treeny don't have a clue..if turkey are a poor team, why are we in the semis..smells like sour grapes to me..maybe you can't accept it because england are not there. i hope we beat germany and shut you all up for good!
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Whilst I am disappointed that England failed to qualify (but look on the bright side it means we now have a competent manager) I wish people would stop criticising other teams for playing to their strengths to get the right result.
Turkey didn't go all out because they had a limited number of players available and played to suit the team they had. (Maybe a lesson for McLaren?) The spirit of the team is unbelievable. Contract it to Portugal, England and Holland. The only other teams that seem to have the same collective spirit are Croatia, Russia and Germany.
Personally I hope Turkey make it to the final.
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chalobilly,
Your post about Germany v Poland, well if you think bout it in a roundabout sort of way, the Polish connection won it for Germany tha day (Podolski). Had he been playing for Poland, the result could have been a tad different. They (Poland) also had a goal disallowed at 1-0 for offside, wrongly.
The problem is that as things stand for Turkey, the following are or may be missing.
Definite:
Volkan
Asik
Gungor
Emre
Turan
Tuncay
Most likely not:
Cetin
Unlikely:
Nihat
With 8 players missing, ie 1/3 of the squad , they are not likely to win, surely. Especially vs a professional and indeed good side like Germany.
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One thing Im struggling to understand.. How can you be so sure Turkey will loose against Germany? Ok you may think it, and predict that way.. But some people seem so sure, Im starting to wonder whether they have watched the match beforehand..
There is no guarantee that Turkey will loose, like there is no guarantee that Germany will win.. Theres a fair chance of both teams winning, because both teams are as good as each other, in my view Turkey is better.. Especially on last minute goals like Semih's amazing goal that shocked every person in the universe..Fair enough Germany may have "stronger" and "taller" players, but Turkey's players are much more "spiritual" and have faith in themselves, I mean come on, who would expect Turkey to win after that last minute goal from Croatia.. No one, everyone thought the match was over EXCEPT the, the players, the coach! And the result: TURKEY WINS CROATIA LOOSES!
Face it.. TURKEY IS GOOD, whether you like it or not its the truth..! If you dont agree to this, may I ask you, how do you think Turkey got to the semi-final.. Just luck? Do be serious, who would get to the semi-final with just luck.. Well if you think like this, then why shouldnt the "luck" that brought Turkey to the semi-final take them to the final, and even to the cup..
Like I said, everyone of you should face it, and appreciate the fact that Turkey is a good team, with faithfull players, and that they can reach vast things with last minute, even second tactics..
The only thing that puts me down for the Germany game, is the shortness of some valuable players like Arda, Emre, Emre, Volkan, Nihat, Tuncay.. But Im sure Fatih Terim will train the rest and do the best for this match.. I believe in Turkey with all my heart, whether they win or not, they proved what they can do by scoring a goal on the last second!
Never forget -
The footBALL is ROUND, and nothing can be guaranteed
Expect the unexpected
FULL STOP
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Fristly, I think Turkey actually played the Croatia game tactically very well: they didn't let them play, tried to keep possession, slow the tempo of the game, and it worked very well. Croatia only managed a goal as a result of a dreadful error by the Turkish keeper. The previous three teams - Germany included - failed to stop the Croats. So Turkey's chances are good because besides having skilled and gutsy players, they also have nothing to lose. If you consider that our last two matches against Germany were a win for Turkey and a draw, then this only bolsters the notion that Turkey have an equal chance to make the final.
On the down side though, we don't have our ideal team, and haven't had right from the start. We played the Croats with our B team, and will play the Germans with our B- team, but like others have pointed out, there's no reason Gokdeniz or Mevlut or Ayhan wouldn't shine just as brilliantly as an Arda or a Tuncay or a Nihat, especially given the extraordinary situation of a semifinal against Germany.
In any case, the Turks should just come out attacking and playing their hearts out from the start. We have to dazzle and pressure the Germans - not easy, but the only way we'll make it through.
By the way, people mention Turkish 'luck', but fail to mention the Croiats scored off a Turkish mistake or that the Czechs scored their second goal against us because the fourth ref failed to stick in our right central defender, the gap through which they scored the goal and narrowly missed another. So luck goes both ways, and in the end always prevails with the more determined and braver side: and that was Turkey.
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With the way the Turkish supporters write here, one could almost believe the Turks planed it this way. Cech dropping the ball was not a clumsy mistake but a clever Turkish strategy. And a last ditch, last minute high ball leading to a lucky equaliser was a clever move to demoralise the Croats.
Get real guys! Nobody wants to deny the Turks proper credit for their morale and fighting spirit, but if you leave passion and wishful thinking out of the equation, we are left with a squad of players with limited skill, great determination and a LOT of luck.
Consequently, it is not a sign of disrespect doubting whether such a combination might be enough against the Germans.
True, stranger things have happend in football, but if I had to put my money down on someone for this game......I'd chose the Germans.
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I think that the arrogance of the Croats saw them lose the match. It's like England knew that they were going to get into the Euros without having to try, so we didnt give it our all until too late. Croatia rested players in the final group match, and it's cost them, and in fact they didnt give the quarter final their all either because they were playing against a 'lesser' side... who caused no end of problems to Portugal in the opener, and the match may well have been very different if all the 50-50 calls went the other way.
If Croatia were so good, then how come, even with every debated decision going their way, and Tuncay being called up for brushing into someone, yet not getting a penalty when Simunic rugby-tackled him, they didnt win? And what was the massive fuss about Modric? He was reasonable, but I think it's all because he's signed for Tottenham, whereas Tuncay and Turan were both better, but aren't Spurs, Manyoo etc. players, and thus cannot be praised?
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Good points from everyone.. But I would just like to say there is never a dull moment when
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Good points from everyone.. But I would just like to say there is never a dull moment when Turkey are playing, no doubt about that!
They have sheer determination and never give up hope, and hopefully we see just as much of an interesting game on Wednesday as we have seen these past few matches.
I think its wrong for most of you to say Turkey dont stand a chance, its not over until that final whistle is blown! Even though most of the team is either injured or suspended (sorry to say but the referee on friday was very bias, he was quick to give 3 yellow cards to arda, tuncay and emre, but hang on a minute didnt anyone see the fowls Croatia's players committed??)
But Turkey unfortunatley will play without these 3 palyers against Germany, nevertheless I say watch out for Semih (again), Hamit Altintop, Mehmet Topal and of course the Goalkeeper Rustu. Mehmet Aireliyo is also back on Wednesday.
To get this far is a great achievement and Turkey should be proud of themselves for gettin in the top 4 of euro 2008, whether they win or loose against Germany, they have made this tournement worth watching and had us at the edge of our seats and have made us believe that anything is possible.
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Turkey have as much chance of beating Germany as England have of winning Euro2008..oops sorry they failed to qualify.
Seriously what peopel in England fail to understand is that the more you win games the stronger your resolve is. Germany vs Turkey is not as one sided as people think.
The common saying nwo in international competitions is that tehy are very few easy games. I hope Turkey win and go on to lift the cup. They have shown hunger, belief, skill and never say attitude and have some skillful players. Comon one Turkey
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Turkey has won 2 out of the last 3 matches against Germany !!!
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people, who thinks Germany is favourite ... should wait until the referee' s last whistle :))
this is the lesson of this tournament .. teacher is the Turkey
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It was a great game. We're sad we didn't make it to the semifinals, but we're very proud of our boys. They're a great team and will achieve great things.Now that Croatia is out I hope that Turkey wins the championship!
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What turkey did was no luck fistly the croatians were sided by the ref fist occasion was when tuncay was brutaly pucshed ower by 2 croatian defenders witch ref should have given a penalty for and tuncay is a great striker that would have made the scored 1-0 to Turkey secondly the kik on the face to one of our defenders by a croatian footballer should have received yellow card and the goal semih shot was pure skills and determination he purposely made the goal go past 2 defenders and hit the goal witch is waht i think is more then luck
The way i look at it, it will be a 45% percent turkey and 55% germany but since the 2000s we have beeten them in every single game.
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We always like to see the same old scenario, David wins against Galiott. The Galiott is Turkey and David is Germany. Is this a mockery? Not according to Big-mounth Phill. !! Phil where is England? Trashed by Crotia. Long live Crotia. She will be remembered forever. History Doktorrr
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all prediction of football pundit goes wrong,
before they were talking about holland then italy then spain now saying germany is a winner.
but they forget about russia and turkey.
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People seems to forget fast.
Germany is on semi finals not because they were better, They come up from an easy group, and already beaten to Croatia in that.
Against Portugal, what would happen if the last goal would be disallowed because of obvious foul of Ballack.
Do you really think they are better?
u can see the difference between Turkey and Germany if you watch the match of these two teams against Brazil in WC 2002.
People say that Turkey were lucky. but they dont analyse matches at all. Against Czechs Turkey was dominant after 60 minute.
Against Croatia, in extensions Turkey showed how much stronger they are than Croatia. Croatia was almost out of battaries.
Yes I admit that Turkey's goal was a miracle, but dont forget that someone kicked the ball into the net. This is football, game of constitution, skill, mistakes and taking opportunities.
I believe Germany's job will be much harder than Turks. Although Turks have lots of suspended and injured key players, this will create more confussion on Germany's coach. Because I believe subs like Gokdeniz and Mevlut will change the style how Turks gonna play. Germany is just unprepared for this.
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Droog,
you are so right about the Germans'
qualities:
t o o o l d (i.e. 26.1yrs.), t o o
f a t (like Mertesacker), t o o t a l l (like Lahm), c a n 't r u n (like Schweini, Lahm, Podolski), c a n 't c o n t r o l t h e b a l l (like Podolski, Klose, Schweini, Lahm, Ballack) etc etc. ...
And the e a r t h i s a d i s k, r ight ?
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
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I am honestly sick and tired of people always attributing the defeat of a team that had been a favourite before the game kicked off to their "arrogance." No evidence for such claims is normally presented or apparently even needed - it is just assumed they entered the game with the three points already scored in their heads and would have won had they "not expected an easy time of it" or "given it their all." This shows a blatant disregard for the facts of each particular case, and is insulting to both teams.
Not only was there no trace of arrogance from Croatia before or during the game (compare this with Terim's cocky statements), but they seemed to be according their opponents a level of respect that might have hampered them in playing as effective a game as they are capable of. Clearly they were very aware of the example of the Czechs and of what can happen if Turkey are not treated with extreme caution. No matter how hard they tried, the ball just couldn't find the back of the net for most of the game - this happens in football. Klasnic entering earlier than he did might have made all the difference, or it might not, we'll never know. Rustu (who by the way seems to have lost none of his touch and possibly played better than Volkan would have) showed incredible class in victory - I wish some of the posters here and elsewhere had as well. The best of luck to both teams in the semi and may the better one win.
To the gent who still can't see why all the "fuss" is made about Modric - I guess you'll have more chances in the next round of WC qualifiers to see what it is precisely that he does.
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Soon all you german hatters including altintop and that kazim joke (new english god), will eat your words and crawl back down that that s**hole you came from...
We will do the talking on the field...the rest will leave to you englishmen to favor any team that can beat us...
How i wish turkey had a full team! that way all you football ignorants can't use any excuses after the match...
all Herberger said in 1954: the ball is round and the game lasts 90 minutes...that's the basics of football lads...before the game it's always 50-50. At the end there is only one winner...and for that I would like you to ask Mr. Gary Lineker who the winner is. he knows.
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am i right in reading this total nonsense? for all the people above, saying turkey have belief and confidence.. yes, but you believe they have the hunger more than germany?
turkey have 13 in their squad, 2 of which are keepers.. germany will run rings round them, they will tire, and gee.. no subs! shame that.
the germans had a poor start to the tournament - poland and croatia yes.. but after that we've improved. against austria we showed determination and grit, against portugal we showed we can use tactics to outplay an opponent.
and being a german living in london, the anti-german rubbish that the english come up with is utter s***.
face it england - you failed to qualify.
for ONCE stop living in the past, and accept that we are a better footballing nation!
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Who knows what "Schweinsteiger" means in German? I do.
No, it doesn't mean "pig climber" or anything like that as some less scrupulous sites seem to suggest. Apparently Schweinsteig is or used to be just a place name, so Schweinsteiger is he who comes from Schweinsteig. "Steig" used to mean a pigsty. Pig farming was a big industry in Schweinsteig.
"Schweinsteiger
Herkunft: Der Name stammt von dem Ort Schweinsteig, südlich von Rosenheim, ab.
Bedeutung: Steig stammt aus dem Mittelhochdeutschen und bedeutet in diesem Zusammenhang Stall. In dem Ort Schweinsteig spielte also ein Schweinestall eine größere Rolle."
Still, all things considered, I am not sure Germany will win.
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Typical Franco-German UEFA just like the EU with its Franco-German Axis. UEFA give Schweinsteiger a match ban and Volkan two matches despite both making the same foul. Then in 1996 UEFA lets Germany call up a replacement for the final yet isn't allowing Turkey the same. UEFA are such a huge farce and tomorrows match is gonna be a farce as well so I will be very pleased if Turkey become the first non-European team to win EURO 2008 just to annoy the franco-german UEFA.
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i´m an Englishman living in Germany and i´ve always been treated with respect and if asked most germans would say that they wished England was at the Euro 2008.
I´m sorry to say this but Germany is a non footballing nation and They should stick to Handball which suits the German character better than football. They play Handball with more passion and heart. Both of which are missing from how they play football.For that reason I hope Turkey win.
We know why England aren´t there they weren´t good enough.
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All things considered, the Turkish had the better Team. The Germans did not play well, but managed to exploit Turkish mistakes without mercy.
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The best thing about the game was the 5 live commentary and the TV picture.
Motson is way past his sell-by date and is a turn-off. Lawrenson isn't much better. the 5 live team were great.
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iam sick of alan hanson, alan shearer, and martin O'neil just being totaly negative towards the Turkish team. I heard martin O'neil saying that turkish team had no talented players and kept saying that every time the played. what games was he watching???? Hamit Altintop of bayern was majestic,, Nihat who is one of the leading scorers in spain ..does he not have any talent? and how abt the winger Arda Turan!
i think the whole off the bbc came accross to me as they were totaly against they turks. the question i wana know from the pannel...how many of them have won anything at international level? nothing! so they sit there like they've all won a couple of world cups and euro's between them. After beating the croatia the first thing hanson said was they wont beat Gemany...how about congratulate team thats just equalised with the last kick of the game!!! well we all know why they didnt want the turks to win any matches... anyway well done to Turkey! they played excellent, exciting football. why dont 3 experts stick to england...and analyse the raking long passes of gerrard and beckham...why play techniacl football when u can laucnh it 60 yards like the english????
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hanson,,shearer and Oneil were so negative towards the turks..clowns!
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