- 24 Jun 08, 12:20 PM
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Andrei Arshavin looks to have eclipsed David Villa as Euro 2008's hottest property - and the inspirational Russian No 10 has also leapt above the Spaniard in BBC Sport's Player Rater rankings following the quarter-finals.
Arshavin now has a 9.02 rating after inspiring Guus Hiddink's side to victory over the much-fancied Netherlands, while Villa (8.13) has dropped to third place, behind Polish goalkeeper Artur Boruc (8.37), after getting a 7.0 mark for his performance in Spain's penalty shoot-out win over Italy.
There are three keepers in the Top 10 - but Iker Casillas is not one of them. Despite his heroics against the Italians, which earned him a mark of 8.46, he has an overall rating of 7.11.
Germany's Bastian Schweinsteiger is one of Euro 2008's most improved players, earning 8.54 for his stunning performance in the surprising 3-2 win over Portugal.
But the midfielder's transformation is not quite as stark as Semi Senturk. After getting a 5.28 mark in his first game, the Turkey striker received 8.26 for his display against Croatia.
At the other end of the scale, striker Luca Toni was rated as the worst of the Italians in the defeat to Spain, earning a mark of 4.97. But that was not as bad as Portuguese pair Ferreira (4.89) and Ricardo (4.32) and Dutch duo Kuyt (4.85) and Heitinga (4.8), who all failed to impress in their respective quarter-finals.
Is that a fair reflection of their performances? If not, let us know. And tell us who's caught your eye.
Best ten players at Euro 2008*
Arshavin, Russia, striker, 2 games: 9.02
Boruc, Poland, goalkeeper, 3 games: 8.37
Villa, Spain, striker, 3 games: 8.13
Sneijder, Holland, midfielder, 3 games: 8.0
Van de Sar, Holland, goalkeeper, 3 games: 7.96
Turan, Turkey, midfielder, 3 games: 7.85
Robben, Holland, midfielder, 2 games: 7.76
Van Nistelrooy, Holland, striker, 3 games: 7.57
Torres, Spain, striker, 3 games: 7.57
Buffon, Italy, goalkeeper, 4 games: 7.53
(* According to users of the BBC Sport Player Rater)
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Germany beat Portugal 3-2 not 3-1.
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I'm a bit worried about Arshavin's green tongue.
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I'd love to see if the majority of Boruc's 10 ratings hail from the east end of Glasgow!
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"behind Polish goalkeeper Artur Boruc (8.37), after getting a 7.0 mark for his performance in Spain's penalty shoot-out win over Italy"
Amazing how quick they can fast-track citizenship these days
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i think Lukas Podolski should be in the top 10, he has been great in the whole competition!
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it is obvious to me that you so called experts are useless if you can't see that the player with the most potential in this tournament has been Russia's no.19 , palyviochencko. he is pure raw material, a typical Arsene Wenger type. he is could be the next shevchienko if he plays for wenger. he has hit the bar three time , has three goals and was the only threat in their game against spain. Come on, if you don't see his potential then you are blind, simple.
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These player ratings are rubbish. Because it's mainly british people voting they are totally skewed towards premiership players or players from well known champions league playing teams. The exception is the obvious Arshavin who deserves to be top. But just looking at the rankings of the spanish team after their quarterfinal - Senna (7.5) and Xavi (6.1) were lower than Fabregas (7.8). This is pure ridiculous. Senna was the rock that held out the italians. He was by far the best outfield player but because he's unknown to the british audience he gets a 7.5, whereas Cesc who came on as a sub and played an average game (but slotted his penalty) get's a 7.8. If Senna had actually been Steven Gerrard and played the same game you can be sure he'd have got a 10.
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No players from Croatia in the top 10 ? That is a bit odd !
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Not sure how accurate these would be, as most most fall under bias.
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"Germany's Bastian Schweinsteiger is one of Euro 2008's most improved players, earning 8.54 for his stunning performance in the surprising 3-1 win over Portugal."
You mean 3-2.
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Tomas Ujflausi never really put a foot wrong he was solid. One of the best defenders in europe.
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So is Artur Boruc Spanish or Polish? How can a keeper who did not play in a particular game earn points for that game? Beats me.
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It says Villa has dropped the points following the Spain vs Italy game, not Boruc. Read it properly.
The Germany vs Portugal score is wrong though.
Goonertic, good shout on Pavlyuchenko, he has been outstanding.
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"Villa (8.13) has dropped to third place, behind Polish goalkeeper Artur Boruc (8.37), after getting a 7.0 mark for his performance in Spain's penalty shoot-out win over Italy."
It's not tough to understand folks. Boruc is second with 8.37, Villa has dropped to third with 8.13 overall after getting a mark of 7.0 against Italy.
Take a deep breath, and think through it carefully.
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i would like to comment on all those that believe that Artur Boruic is now spanish because of a misprint!!
if you read the caption correctly u will notice the punctuation used meaning that the sentence is written correctly about villa who scored a 7.0 not Boruc!!!
"while Villa (8.13) has dropped to third place, behind Polish goalkeeper Artur Boruc (8.37), after getting a 7.0 mark for his performance in Spain's penalty shoot-out win over Italy."
notice the commas after place and (8.73) meaning a break in the sentence!
Just because you people are so intellectually challeneged i advise it best for u not to question a statement that is infact correctly written
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yeh these stats often reflect what hanson, shearer etc say at half time/full time, i think Arshavin had a good last game, but aint best player at tournament, cant really over look Villa, im surprised Senna, Podolski and even ballack are not in the top ten.
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"intellectually challeneged"
Oh, the irony!
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Pavlyuchenko looks good! does need about 10 shots to score though, but if he keeps getting the ten chances then fair play!
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"behind Polish goalkeeper Artur Boruc (8.37), after getting a 7.0 mark for his performance in Spain's penalty shoot-out win over Italy"
Amazing how quick they can fast-track citizenship these days
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Read the paragraph again, it says villa got 7.0 for his performance in the spain italy game, not boruc, just for those who are confused!!!!!!!
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Germany v Portugal scoreline has been corrected. Thanks.
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relax....it's a bit of fun!!!!!
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Where's Ballack?
He has been immense
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What intrigues me about Arshavin is that he's no young duckling here - he's 27. Now, while there's no denying he's been fantastic for Russia in this tournament, and for Zenit. St. Petersburg in the UEFA cup, surely fans of the respective club chasing him (Arsenal, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham etc), sure ask this question :
Why has it taken so long for this boy's talent to be recognized?
If he was playing at this sort of level throughout his career, do you think NONE of the top scouts in Europe would have noticed him? I smell something fishy, and I would hazard a guess at some of these Premier League clubs knowing more about his form over the last 9 years, rather than the past 4 months. I wouldn't be so eager to pay out £20m for him, when Zenit, before the tournament began, said he could go for £8m.
As I say, there has to be a reason why Arshavin hasn't played in a big league before, and it would be interesting to find out why.
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Ballack has an average rating of 7.11 from 4 games to make him second in the Germany rankings. Podolski is the best with 7.4.
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Ballack had a very average first game, and a poor second game.
If Podolski doesn't make top 10, neither does Ballack, even Frings has probably been better overall.
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There are too many Dutch players in that top 10. They won the group games but especially against Italy and to some degree against France they were outplayed over 90 mins; just every attack they had seemed to result in a goal. I agree that this is a biased system although having said that I am suprised that Tuncay of Boro is not up there. He has been excellent; non stop and always looking to move forward. Arshavin has only played two games but has looked good; he remember he is also better rested than the others.
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Freddy of Greggs
Blimey mate I logged on to post exactly word for word what you have said. Spooky. I agree with you though-he is no spring chicken and remember the lad was banned for the first couple of games so he was certainly fresh in terms of the rest of the squad and the Dutch opposition. OK the Dutch rested players in the last group game but they had played at a blistering pace for the first two.
Hey he's a decent player but one swallow don't make the proverbial summer. Let's judge him at the end of the tournament not just one game. As usual people go overboard and stupid. Must be the heat.
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Sorry but hes been good in the two games against Sweeden and against Holland. Also was the main reason Zenit won the Eufa cup so I don't see how we are overhyping him!
Snieder is more overhyped than this guy!
I think I prefer Arshavin to Pavleuchenco. He will give you more variety and a better finishing power!
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Artur Boruc is 2nd LOL
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Why do folk just come on to correct other peoples grammar? I think we all get the gist of what someone is posting without having it brought to our attention that there has been a minor spelling error.
Boruc was good, but he's only getting the votes because Celtic fans cannot see past their 'Holy Goalie'. There have been far better players this tournament, especially for 2nd place!
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What intrigues me about Arshavin is that he's no young duckling here - he's 27. Now, while there's no denying he's been fantastic for Russia in this tournament, and for Zenit. St. Petersburg in the UEFA cup, surely fans of the respective club chasing him (Arsenal, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham etc), sure ask this question :
Why has it taken so long for this boy's talent to be recognized?
If he was playing at this sort of level throughout his career, do you think NONE of the top scouts in Europe would have noticed him? I smell something fishy, and I would hazard a guess at some of these Premier League clubs knowing more about his form over the last 9 years, rather than the past 4 months. I wouldn't be so eager to pay out ?20m for him, when Zenit, before the tournament began, said he could go for ?8m.
As I say, there has to be a reason why Arshavin hasn't played in a big league before, and it would be interesting to find out why.
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If you don't know what you are taling about - don't say nothing at all!
1st and foremost Arshavin has a release clause of £10 million - so he could never go for 8!
Just because English people are too happy to sit and watch Bolton - Liverpool (and think this is the best league in the world) don't follow other leagues - obviously you wouldn't know what a gem of player he is! Of course he hasn't been playing at this level - but since he started playing in second striker role in Russia, he has been a revelation - nobody knew what his natural position was even though he had bags of talent. But once Zenit ex-coach put him up front with Alex Kerzhakov (the one that played for Sevilla) they were a perfect partnership. And upon Dick Advocaat's arrival - Zenit won their first Championship in 24 years - Arshavin scored 10 and provided 11 assists in 30 league games. In Europe he has been played generally on the left wing switching to right wing but still technically playing off big target man Pogrebnyak. And if you are questioning yourself why you haven't seen Arshavin before - question yourself why you haven't followed the development of Russian Football - and there's your answer!
P.S. he has 3-5 Years in him still at top level as he doesn't rely on pace but his skill - so enough to see out a contract with the team he signs for. Anyway you English are talking like he's already signed for one of the EPL teams - he clearly stated he wants to play in SPAIN and he supports BARCA - so there you go - DECO RONALDINHO ETO'O - out, Arshavin - in.
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i just hope he is not going to become a one tournament wonder. After all much of the hype is based on his performance against the Dutch. Whoever is taking out the check book needs to be certain of his average season performance.
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These are peoples views we voted.
To say they are by British people is true, but to say its "skewed" by love of premiership players like someone did is a joke.
Only 2 of the top 10 are in the prem and ones a keeper, the top 4 are not in the prem either!
silly comment
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I thought arshavin was player of the tourn in that game, but the problem is now he will not be able to match it in the next game and he will be forgotten I imagine unless he can keep it up
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Guys all these ratings go out of the window. In the end, the man who will be holding the trophy will be Ballack. I think he has been sensational when it matters the most and that too at the age of 31. The last player I saw do it was Zizou (apart from the final). What do you guys think.
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Would be very interesting to see use of the Google Maps API to generate a map of ratings by IP address for each player. This would more than likely show heavy high/low ratings for Boruc from Celtic/Rangers fans, high ratings for Fabregas from Londoners, etc.
Just a thought - would also show the comparison between British and overseas voters.
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Arshavin is certainly a (welcome) bolt from the blue but it's intriguing that he has reached the ripe old age of 27 without appearing on the radar of any agents - form and class seems to be a reasonable answer...
As for Spain v Italy, Fabregas (ref. comment no7) came on and definitely turned the game in favour of the Spaniards. Until then they were as patchy as the Italians and not really building anything offensively. His impact was pretty apparent and he crafted most of the build up play to their best attacking moves - he is a cracking player and would be highly rated whether he was in the premiership or not.
Can't wait for Spain-Russia!
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Come on guys. Villa was so prodigal against Italy. Torres is much better. Part of Villa's success comes from the opponents focussing on Torres.
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Arshavin is certainly a (welcome) bolt from the blue but it's intriguing that he has reached the ripe old age of 27 without appearing on the radar of any agents - form and class seems to be a reasonable answer...
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Thats a shrewd observation right there.
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this arshavin guy is good, but he's not all that. people are only judging him after two games - it's a kneejerk reaction, most of the people rating him wouldn't even have heard of him before now. i have seen him for zenit and he's talented but you can't say he's world class.
p.s. there should be more turks in the top 10 - come on turkey for tmrw.
hadi türkiye, let's beat the germans!
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where's hamit, he's been sick for us! come on the turks!
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p.s. there should be more turks in the top 10 - come on turkey for tmrw.
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They've led for 2 minutes in 4 games? Half the team is suspended - I think none of them are in top 10 on merit!
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I have been quite interested in this myself! Soo.. i done some research on the little mystro. It seems to be he is quite hard to manage. Many teams havent recongnised his talents because he has never been this good!..
Not until he has been placed into the dutch system (both Hiddink and Advocaat) has be shined as a player. he needs to be given the freedom to express himself in an environment where he thinks hes doing whats best for the team.
To my understanding Advocaat and Hiddink have only recently taken charge of him (both at club and national level) so to be getting these results out of him shows whats he needs.
It will be interesting to see what club he goes to, because not all clubs have managers of like to give freedom to their players. He definetely needs an experienced manager who plays similar to the dutch style.
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I think chelsea should sell lampard to Inter and let Ballack play in a midfilder to forward transitional role. He has scored 41 goals in 85 games for Germany. That is a pretty high scoring percentage for a midfilder.
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Chiellini is possible the most overlooked player in the tournament. He has been immense.
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Where is Luca Modric ?
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I never heard of Arshavin, and have only seen two games but I am rather impressed.
I hate it so much whe people go on and on about Torres. He is not amazing, he is lazy as hell but a good striker. Villa is a much better play maker with better control and he is quicker (which most people don't seem to realise) and it really annoys me that people say moronic things like "Villa is only good because people concentrate on marking Torres" Idiots. No one except people involved in the english league rate Torres any where near as good as Villa. Look at the stats, Villa got 34 games and 18 goals. Compare that with Torres, 52 games with 16 goals, and Villa is not an out and out striker.
Rant over.
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"Bring Back Jose"
Intimate knowledge of Russian football.
Is that you Roman?
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He's just signed for Celtic
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Alex Ferguson's got a pet mexican tree-frog called Frederick Mincingburg. He takes it to Elocution lessons and wants to nurture it.
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Arshavin is certainly a (welcome) bolt from the blue but it's intriguing that he has reached the ripe old age of 27 without appearing on the radar of any agents - form and class seems to be a reasonable answer...
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Thats a shrewd observation right there.
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For a player to be earning as high as 50,000 plus in the russian league is an indication of this guy's ability. I don't think he's a flash in the pan.
Although i agree that its a mystery how the big European clubs glossed him by.
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A little known fact is that Arshavin can speak 243.4 languages and can throw a golf club 33 miles.
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Arshavin has a 3rd cousin called Euan who lives on a farm in Aberdeen
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Arshavin will fall against Spain and Villa.
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He might if he gets tripped up, most people do
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I wouldn't though
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He is also best friends with some other players - Ivanschitz, Shatstyckh and Danny Shittu
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So am I
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don't you know,Boruc are polish, from Poland. anyway, i think Russia will be a champ!(sorry for my eanglish)
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Arshavin won Player of the Year in 1643, he's be re-incarnated 12 times since, once as a hamster
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Arshavin is actually blind and plays using his enhanced sense of hearing to guide him.
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Where is England? Anyone know??
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you are all jealous,cause Russia knock you out...together with Croatia.just stop shiting on Arshavin. i telling you guys, Russia is realy strong
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Let's have sensible talk only please?
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However if he is given ballo de o he merit it but to be sencir the aword shouldm go to ronando of man united so farr in the just concluded sension his the best fott boller sahervin also try because he too win europe cup with his Russia team the prenier ligue is not beeb given his due respit atlist by now we are soppos to have one world foot bollre of year aword since his commesment pls give our due respet.
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I just saw a horse called Archibald canoe up a waterfall
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England watching Wimbledon
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I think Arshavin will win Wimbeldon
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and you will win ping-pong champ(maybe)
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It all has such a neat veneer of scientific objectivity about it, what with all those precise figures downt to the second decimal place. As if a computer-generated spreadsheet can actually decide that a striker like Torres was actually four one-hundredth's of a percentage point better than a goalkeeper like Buffon in four games. Yeah, right. What exactly does .04 translate to in real terms? How is it that someone who's only played two matches is top of the pops? Does anyone remember the golden boot winner from Euro 04, one Milan Baros? Is Arshavin the next Milan Baros? Does Pompey have room for him on their bench next to Milan? Has anyone seen Theo Zagorakis lately, selected for UEFA's top player award at that last tournament? Maybe Arshavin is different or maybe he's just another flash-in-the-pan but I don't think I'd trade Casillas for Arshavin. We'll see in a couple of days, they'll have a chance to go head to head. As for the rest of the "damn statistics" list of the alleged top ten, it probably reflects the tone of the tourney more than anything. There are four(!) strikers on it, three attacking midfielders, and three goalkeepers - and not a single defender! And that's probably not such a bad thing, after all the defense in '04. Keep the shots and goals coming, boys!
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FreddyOfGreggs
He was never available for £8m NEVER.
He was Russian player of the year in 2006 so he's been playing well for more than 4 months, Including matches last year against Emgland AND Everton (hence Everton's brief interest before we found out he earns about £70million a year! :) )
As mentioned above it is the Arrival of Dick Advocaat AND Gus Hiddink top Russian football a cpl of years ago that really allowed his talent to flourish.
Finally nobody heard of Ian wright til he was about 26, because noone paid attention to the lower leagues, he's still one of the most prolific scorers in the top flight of English football. Footballers are suppossed to peak between 26 and 30 as their Knowledge or experience equals / surpasses their natural ability.
Sometimes people just take a long time to discover players, or to take a chance on them. Even now a likely £70,000 a week wage is a gamble on someone who may take a year or so to settle into a foreign league, all the more so when your legions of armchair fans have never heard of the player because they don't watch enough non domestic football.
By the way Pavluchenko, will be 27 in December so "raw" may not be the best way to describe him. You do feel he could improve though, even at his age.
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Mharlon-Bhrando
You crack me up m8...good work my son at least some1 is not taking this too seriously lol.
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I agree with on Arshavin only recently playing as a second striker and working really well with a target man like Pogrebnyak (gutted that he did his knee in that serbia freindly b4 the EUROS, he would hav been awsome...but what a screamer of a goal he banged in in that match lol).
Most people here never heard fo Arshavin b4 the UEFA cup and theses 2 EURO games he played. But thats just due to their ignorance of other leagues. Any football purist with a World/European football knowledge would have known Arshavin talent for years now.
Since he started playing as an AmcRLC/ST he's won Russian footballer of the year and became Russia skipper in 2006. It was a massive transformation, as he wasnt very effective on the wings. I follow the russian league (Im from vladivostok originally, but lived in london for over 12 years now...my team is Luch-Energiya Vladivostok, currently second from bottom in the prem) and he's been russia's golden boy for awhile now, its just a pitty that people try and slate him when they know absolutely nothing about his history.
Give him a chance people...or even better google him up and read up about him!!!! See his best bits for urself and then judge him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar1WHLwpwr0
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therealeverton
Finally some one making an ounce of sence on this blog..good work m8
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mampiswift
cheers mate
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i thought he was young by the way everyone was going on about him but hes 27!
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Why do people not seem to understand simple grammar.
The commas indicate that Villa is third behind Boruc, because VILLA got a 7.0 rating in the Spain-Italy match.
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I think the true test of arshavins influence and ability for russia will be against spain. Russia were poor the first game and were torn apart against spain. This time they have 'player of the tournament' arshavin, will they do better this time?
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#83 RSBFOX stop being a racist and accept that arshavin is a good player....what is with you guys?
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Please remember, Arshavin was very good on the UEFA final and produced a picture of total superiority against the Scottish team last month. It was in Manchester, remember? Those who think Dutch coaches made him flourish, are also correct. There is nothing fishy about Arshavin. If you will pay attention, you will see, some of his moves are very special, for instance, that hidden pass to Denisov that led to the first goal against Scottish club in May's Uefa final.
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Learn a bit of a grammar you nobs! Read it properly and you'll suss it out. There is something like comma "," that separates the thougths or digerssions and so on... in particular sentence. Read and think of what you have read. I am not trying to generalize but ....hm typical englishmen.
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ps. Englishmen = racists. Again,I am not trying to generalize but a vas majority of...
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i hate premier league fans who only know of players playing in their favourite clubs and think the world of them while others from international teams arent even considered even when they perform exceptionally well......again a result of over-glamorising and advertising the premier league as the best league (and sometimes the only) league in the world.........so stupid and so sad........
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Arshavin deserves to be at the top - his performances so far have been very good and he has definately helped to turn around Russia's fortunes, they've been playing much better since he's returned to the team.
The rest of them in the top ten have generally had pretty good tournaments, but there's got to be other players who have done just as well. Pavlyuchenko has also impressed for Russia, Podolski should probably be in there considering he's the second highest scorer so far - he played especially well against Poland. I'm also surprised there's no Croatian players in the top 10, Rakitic has looked like a really good player for them, so I think he should be in there.
There's plenty of others who have impressed, Senna and Silva have been good for Spain, Ballack has had his moments, Schweinsteiger played really well against Portugal, Van Bronckhorst had an excellent game against Italy.
In think Casillias should be in there, he made an incredible save against Italy to keep them in the game and saved two penalties, one of which was a superb save under pressure.
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i would like to comment on all those that believe that Artur Boruic is now spanish because of a misprint!!
if you read the caption correctly u will notice the punctuation used meaning that the sentence is written correctly about villa who scored a 7.0 not Boruc!!!
"while Villa (8.13) has dropped to third place, behind Polish goalkeeper Artur Boruc (8.37), after getting a 7.0 mark for his performance in Spain's penalty shoot-out win over Italy."
notice the commas after place and (8.73) meaning a break in the sentence!
Just because you people are so intellectually challeneged i advise it best for u not to question a statement that is infact correctly written.
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thank you . i had to sign up for this but it was worth it. Its disgusting that you people(supposedly english speaking) cant even fathom the use of commas. perhaps, you should go back for lessons.
then again, the lesson givers are a bunch of nincompoops themselves.
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Firstly, I dont know how kuyt is that low, he scored a goal assisted at least 3 and set up many more chances, ok his last game was average, but it was not bad.
secondly, i dont know why the german players arent higher, podolsky has 3 goals, lahm has been great in nearly every game. the lowest should be the likes of nuno gomes and gomes.
Although im a liverpool fan, i think torres does not deserve to be in the top 10, ok hes assisted 1 goal and scored another, but his performances have been horrible
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Come on! He's not that good. OK, so he's had a great tournament. So what? He's 27 (what should be the peak for a pro footballer). I seem to remember Milan Baros having a great tournament for the Czech's a while back, so maybe this is all meaningless hype? Oh yes, so it is.
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I'd love to know Mario Gomez rating. He has been so poor in this tournament that I can't believe he is not in the bottom of the table....
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Half of the people here can't even understand a simple sentence! English football fans are morons and I am glad England did not attend Euro 2008 and embarrass our nation even further in the world of football. You can't even understand the most basic sentence?? 10 year olds can probably understand it!
In the future, I propose that all English football fans who want to travel overseas must pass a literacy test first. Actually, that would be a fantastic idea for any overseas travel.
The government would never implement it due to a huge loss of revenue in passport applications!
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The problem with the ratings system is that most people who post ratings dont look to see how the players are actually playing, they base it on 20second passages of play. Ballack was terrible against the Croatians. He was so absent it was unbeleivable. His problem is that he doesnt step up until a big game comes around.
The best players so far in the tourny are:
Boruc - kept Poland in it until the last game.
Garics - looked class in a terrible team.
Pranjic - his forward runs were class
Ooijer - fought till the last.
Panucci - has been a rock for the Italians
Senna - Spains rock.
Sneijder - made Holland tick.
Arshavin - Turned Russia from poor to good.
Podolski - Class.
Villa - Top scorer.
Pavlyuchenko - looked lively.
And only one Premiership player in there!
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Pavyluchenko will be playing in green and white hoops next season, and he will be nick-named Paddy-a-Chenko
Hail Hail
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