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revolution round-up: week two

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Dan Biddle Dan Biddle | 15:40 UK time, Friday, 24 July 2009

The weekly round up of comment, conversation and debate returns to find the blog discussion gathering steam, and Wikipedia adding fuel to the engines...

General matters of note:

A comment from vanboy74 is well worth reading as he offers comment on all four programme topics.

Required reading, he offers as suggestion for 'power on the web' - consumer power - with some notable examples. We are following up his offer for more stories to this effect. 

NB: if anybody else can share instances of the web's giving power to the consumer (eg the perceived success of the 'Stop the Great HSBC Graduate Rip-Off!!!' facebook group) they would be much appreciated.

Re The web and the nation state he discusses Germany's politicians' failure to comprehend the web in anything other than media panic terms, including 'a new, absolutely ineffective law concerning child pornography has evoked something like a war of generations'.

Likewise, programme three (privacy and economics), as a human resources manager, his views regards employees online profiles and footprints are fascinating 'I am curious whether if in a few years people can still afford not to have a clear online identity...'

While we received no comments on the post regards our call for Asian web stories / sites; our followers on Twitter delivered a couple of interesting links: Blogging's importance in Nepal from @imascientist and another re: Cyworld and Daum sites in Korea (from @Hemmysphere).

Is Twitter a more appropriate medium for asking questions like that?

We were also recommended to visit www.a24media in Nairobi by Jonathan Marks, whose comment also highlights the issue of the web's memory, and the assumption that content is now eternal being unfounded. While elsewhere on the blog winston84smith commented that the retention of data (specifically in the context of education and pupils' learning data): 

'What about Data Retention? How does implementation of the EU Data Retention Directive impact on students' privacy in their online learning activities? How much have the risks to students' privacy been exacerbated by the advent of Web 2.0 participative technologies and their implementation within Education?'

Comments relevant to programme one (power on the web)

This week's hot topic was Wikipedia. Aleks' blog post considering the hierarchies of power within the 'open' knowledge resource sparking off a debate from users and a critical blog post from Wikipedia's founder Jimmy Wales in reply.

An interesting consequence of Aleks post was to be invited to join Wikimedia UK.

From the comments that ensued, we received an example of Wikipedia used in citation, though that might not 100% count being an academic paper regarding Wikipedia and trust.

And comment from cyberissues included this observation:
'The working Group on Internet Governance in 2005 defined three layers of governance: society, business and government. In terms of wikipedia, this translates to: users, wikipedia (or ISPs) and government. Because of the restrictions imposed by these layers - including between users - the utopian ideal of wikipedia being a free for all, collaborative resource, is far from true.'

The trouble with blogs continued to spark debate and comment. Many people feel the hype is undeserved; others state that to declare blogs moribund is ridiculous; while Auqakuh1123 offered the reason blogs are popular (and indeed therefore their failing) lies with the ability to create an environment you control for your own opinion to attract like opinions and deflect contrary views you might otherwise have to face on an open web forum.

Programme three (privacy and economics)

Elsewhere on the web

I took this photograph of our poorly lit (though thoroughly illuminating) production meeting on Monday (from the right: Dan Gluckman's elbow, Russell Barnes, Tilly Cowan and Cathy Edwards):

Which received an amusing tweet from @englishfolkfan 'Locked in the gloomy room the Prodution Team scribbled on paper' - hahahaha Digital Revolution not in evidence in that pic ;o)'

The picture also inspired suggestions for the programme format from @paulmorriss
'An idea for you - why not make the programme like the web - full of diversions and side-trips - like ctrl-clicking to open a new browser window and then going back to where you where?
Also - why not have the responses to #thewebis on twitter scrolling along the bottom of the screen through the whole thing?

And reply from @splink 'Sounds to me like a Youtube video with links. Link out a specific points relating to the current topic and link back at the end of the sidelined footage.'

Ideas which are not a million miles away from something we're hoping to offer! We're already making plans for an interactive version of the documentary to launch online around the time that the series is broadcast on BBC Two. These will feature plenty of diversions and side trips - including the arguments, ideas and content you're suggesting, which doesn't make it into the final programmes.

And that's all the news that's fit to blog this week. We'll be presenting this info to Philip and Tilly (Director and Assistant Producer programme one) and will feedback their responses to the blog.

As ever, if there are topics raised here that you have stories or greater details of that would improve our data, research and the programme, please leave comments below.


  • Comment number 1.

    Great minds think alike, with my comment on diversions and side-trips. What I would be disappointed to see though is fake browser windows with maximise/minimise and close buttons. Redo the web, don't just copy it.

  • Comment number 2.

    @paulmorriss 'What I would be disappointed to see though is fake browser windows with maximise/minimise and close buttons. Redo the web, don't just copy it.'

    Not sure I follow you - could you explain that further?


  • Comment number 3.

    I have just found if I click on my user name above I can find my comment postings on the BBC Blogs (not all of the postings since some bloggs are not included in the blog list.) They represent a sort of derived blog "Seepings from cping" as it were. I notice this is true for all commenters (sic)

    My vanity suggests that others might enjoy may comments So will the monitors object if I add to each of my new postings "click Cping500 for all 'Seepings from Cping' for the benefit of the world or even link to an item of .Seepings' or other commenters (sic) effusions.?

    The heading of each item enables a link to the blog which I was writing about.

    With some adoptions we could have a new WEB2 application

    (click cping500 above for more of my seepings)

  • Comment number 4.

    Any chance of letting people know in advance what other 'hot topics' (themes) you have planned. Sometimes it's useful to be able to be able to mull things over for a while. (Comments - in general - do favour those who can read something and then immediately form a response - Just a thought.)

  • Comment number 5.

    @shefftim - I can tell you that next week, continuing under the banner of programme one's musings on power and ownership on the web, we'll be considering file-sharing, intellectual property, and piracy.

    We've got some great guest bloggers joining us to share their views from various sides of the debate including Matt Mason. This video about the Pirate's Dilemma is a taster of Matt's arguments.

    'Til Monday...

  • Comment number 6.

    Hello, I've been blogging about the current and future uses of the Web, and thought it might be useful as a contribution to the Digital Revolution topic..

    See here: http://www.r4isstatic.com/?p=64


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