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'Time to bail, Carl! - listener discussions to 9 May

Friday 11 May 2012, 17:23

Tayler Cresswell Tayler Cresswell

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There's been a huge debate about Amy, the intensity of her conversation with Carl about moving in together, and Usha's revelation that Carl was married. Is Amy acting like a teenager? Was Usha at fault for not speaking up sooner? And is Alan taking an unchristian attitude to it all?

There's been some surreal conversation about the "Beast of Ambridge" and concern at Pip joining the Tom Archer empire.

Plus "My Big Fat Horrobin wedding"...

Here's my pick of listener discussions on The Archers message board, Twitter and Facebook between 3-9 May 2012.


Poor jilted Amy? Has she brought this all on herself? Her insistence that she and Carl move in together had listeners cringing - even if he wasn't a married man, surely she was taking things too far too fast.

Listen to the panic in Carl's voice! #thearchers @BBCTheArchers (@Tootinginnit on Twitter)

*MOVING IN TOGETHER KLAXXON* Time to bail, Carl! #thearchers (@archelina on Twitter)

Poor Amy, my heart was actually pounding #TheArchers (@DaleVee on Twitter)

If I was Karl I'd run a mile from Amy, whether I was married or not, intense or what!? #thearchers (@gilldinadoll on Twitter)

You can't tell from the script but Amy is wearing a wedding dress in these scenes. #thearchers (@headlunging on Twitter)

Is Amy treating Usha as a "handy scapegoat"? Whilst most think that Usha didn't deal with the situation particularly well (having refused to pay attention to countless listeners shouting "TELL HER!") she's getting quite a bit of sympathy. Will she be the next one to beat a hasty retreat from the vicarage? Perhaps it's time Mabel came back to bang a few heads together.

Unbelievable developments! The whole world riveted. No I don't mean France, I mean Amy finding out Karl is married on #thearchers. (@yokelbear on Twitter)

Amy - don't let this wreck your family. They are all you've got #thearchers (@quilterin24 on Twitter)

Rev Alan Franks - Lifting piousness to a whole new level #poorUsha #thearchers (@VivianOldaker on Twitter)

Alan should be helping, not making things worse by skulking in his study being distraught. Of the three of them I find his conduct the most counter-productive. (JustJanie - Fairweather Jogger)

Oh dear I bet the poor parishioners in Darrington got fire and brimstone in the sermon #thearchers (@CEMichael on Twitter)

Usha should have told Alan and Amy, but she barely had the chance...her situation was awkward, to say the least. Amy is behaving typically, everyone blames everyone except the man who caused the heartbreak. Such a pity...he deserves the whipping, not Usha! (Fiona Siobhan Powell on Facebook)

I think it was quite wrong for her to tell Ruth before she told Alan &/or Amy. (Dragonfly)
If I hear any other TA 'parent' utter "It's not your fault" when it clearly IS the offspring's fault, I will hurl the radio into the garden. (returnmigration)

Amy was conned. Lots of people are conned in this world, lots of them are a good deal older than 23. It's easy to assume that people who are conned are stupid but it ain't necessarily so. (old cath)

Join the debate in the It's not your fault or I'm supporting Usha threads.


Lynda's sighting of an animal that she said was "bigger than a squirrel" has fuelled much speculation about the "Beast of Ambridge". Jim suggested it was a "giant hedgehog" but others think it could be a muntjac deer, a wild boar, a werewolf or even "Lilian in a fur coat". This has spawned some surreal conversation...

'bigger than a squirrel' - my new favourite measurement of scale. #thearchers (@knittingpenguin on Twitter)

OK I am so stopping trying to attract hedgehogs into my garden if they come in #BBC #BorsetshireBigCat sizes #TheArchers (@MUSEmunkey on Twitter)

Is it Tony the Dinosaur? #thearchers (@Noelgoodboo on Twitter)

The Hob-hound of Edgeley, it portends great disaster. (Midas)

Such a shame James and Leonie's book is toast,the morbidly obese unidentified animal would have made a great cover photograph. (mademoiselledecompost)

I don't know how significant this is, but I understand Joe was seen heading in the general direction of where the beast was seen, clutching his trusty Ferret-Hammer. (The Leech Pedlar)

Read the surreal conversation on the bigger than a squirrel thread.


Pip's been appointed chief burger-flipper for Tom, but surely Pip and Tom talking business will make for uncomfortable listening. And has Brenda had enough? Is this the beginning of the end of their relationship?

Shove his face onto the hotplate, Brenda. #thearchers (@Mudkipstoat23 on Twitter)

Mr Self-Important Tarm is back - moaning so much even Brenda's fed up with him. I wish someone would whack him over the head with that blasted computer! (toffee)

I have been making rude hand gestures at the radio. (Auntie Molly)

Poor Brenda. It is a hard life coming second to the sausage empire. #thearchers (@katierosemary on Twitter)

Don't think tom's head will fit in the burger van much longer #thearchers (@monx61 on Twitter)

I think it would do Tom's ego a world of good if he was stranded somewhere for a couple of days, no cell phone, and the farm managed beautifully withouth him, and everyone smilingly told him so when he returned. (charmingAnnielynn)

Have your say on The peace is shattered thread.


With the arrival of Keith Horrobin, listeners have asked how many more Horrobins will come out of the woodwork for his daughter's wedding? Listeners think little Chelsea Horrobin should raise her sights if her "number one ambition" is to be a bridesmaid.

Gawd, how depressing, the poor little moppet. Whither feminism, eh? (Freda Fry)

Why are you surprised given the family which spawned the child? (ANDROMEDAKRAKEN)

Let's hope Keira will buck the trend when she older - she is apparently strong-minded after all. (anna kist)

Far too many Horobins in one episode....it will all end in tears...#thearchers (@martin_hilton on Twitter)

Samantha? Ash? Blimey. Whole new world. Is this My Big Fat Horrobin Wedding? #thearchers (@TonysConsultant on Twitter)

Join the conversation about Chelsea Horrobin in the Her number one ambition thread.


Tayler Cresswell is host of The Archers message board.

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    Comment number 1.

    Is there not a police force in Ambridge? It seems that criminals run fairly free and we never here from any actual police officials.

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    Comment number 2.

    I worry that Alan and Amy give Christians a bad name and I am not even a believer of any denomination. Apart from whether they are displacing their anger on poor Usha (I think they are) they come across as unforgiving and totally without grace. In short, holier than thou. never a good look

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    Comment number 3.

    I would like to reassue you all...... No blame needs to be put on any of the Archer actors....... it lies with the editor as usual!! I thought as there are now two editors things might have improved but I see it continues to go down hill......

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    Comment number 4.

    Speaking purely personally, I'm absolutely loving all the snappiness/angst/sparring/family issues at the normally lovey-dovey, holier-than-thou, goody-goody vicarage. The carrot chopping scene was brilliant, all that anger and emotion being taken out on the vegetables. I can't wait for more; this is a great plot. With any luck, this one will run and run....well done, script-writers, say I!

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    Comment number 5.

    I'm finding the bullying of Usha by her "family" particularly uncomfortable to listen to, having direct experience of bullying from my husband's family. My father-in-law is a vicar, and he was the worst of the bullies. I don't think I'll be listening to The Archers again for a long time, even though I've been listening for a good twenty years. The editors are drawing out this story line, and it feels tortuous. Farewell Ambridge.

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    Comment number 6.

    I'm finding all of this totally unbelievable -why do editors think its ok for characters to deviate so much from their original personality ? In this case three actors in one house has done it. At least Brian is always consistent. I'm switching off till the story line has run its rediculous course

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    Comment number 7.

    I haven't actually heard anyone 'bullying' Usha although I've heard her husband and her step-daughter being rather upset by her decision not to voice her suspicions about Carl; her moral dilemma was an interesting one, (such dilemmas are often at the heart of good drama). She made the 'wrong' decision, and now there are interesting consequences. I can absolutely believe in everyone's behaviour; Alan is a human being, not a saint, and he's over-protective of his daughter, having brought her on his own for so long. Amy is hurting and feeling stupid, so she's blaming Usha. It all rings true to me.

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    Comment number 8.

    Thankfully folks, it's only a storyline. That said, I do not believe there can possibly be (in reality) such a naive individual as portrayed in Amy. 23 years old? - more like 2 to 3. Not a lot of the so called christian forgiveness either in that vicarage. Neither am I that keen on solicitors but I have to say I'm with Usha. Hang in there Girl!!
    As Amy would appear to believe just about anything why not tell her that her mother is actually alive and well and and running a maternity ward in the Carribean.
    Bye Bye Amy and take your self righteous hypocritical father with you.

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    Comment number 9.

    Perhaps Amy's not so much naive, as a victim of feminism i.e she thought it was fine, to be proactive by suggesting she moved in with Carl, in my day, a girl would wait to be asked, and maybe the male psyche hasn't changed in 40 years however much womem think they should have done! As for Christian forgiveness, no doubt Alan will get there in time, especially if Usha bakes him a cake. She is partly responsible for his current mood;she should have told him about her suspicions re. Carl straight away.

    Goodness; people seem to be taking 'sides' here and getting involved, and it's "only" a radio drama. Must be a good plot!

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    Comment number 10.

    ' Must be a good plot! '

    No it isn't. It is clunky and irritating and no way has Amy's behaviour got anything to do with feminism. She was so clingy with Carl it was inevitable that he would take flight married or not.

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    Comment number 11.

    Usha is the grown-up here. She could have prevented all this by making sure that Carl knew she knew he was married right at the outset. She should have presumed that Amy did not know and acted accordingly. Then if turned out Amy had known that was the time to be, as she put it non "judgemental. " Scriptwriters this is a grown-up lawyer hope she does not make such bad decisions in her work. At that point Amy could at least have avoided "the week-end" away and she could have had the satisfaction of dumping him! Scriptwriters it is not what the normal reaction would be in the mature adult in Amy is justifiably angry at Usha's lack of action but this is of course a fantasy.

 

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