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England v Scotland: The Auld Enemy

Tuesday 13 August 2013, 11:26

Roddy Forsyth Roddy Forsyth BBC Scottish Football correspondent

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One of the pleasures of living in my part of Glasgow is it's only a short walk to the West of Scotland Cricket Club’s ground in Partick. If you stand at the top end and look through the fence, as I often do, you will see a view that has hardly changed since the Illustrated London News sent its artist to capture the scene there on St Andrew’s Day, 1872.

The occasion was the very first football international match: Scotland v England. A healthy crowd of 4,000 turned up to watch the sides draw 0-0 (see below for an artist's illustration of the day). All international football is descended from that fixture, so it is perfectly appropriate for the FA to celebrate its 150th anniversary by inviting Scotland to play at Wembley.

Scotland v England, 30 November 1872

Wembley used to be a place of pilgrimage for Scotland fans, who greatly relished their trips to London every two years. A legendary victory there would inspire another generation of supporters to make the journey, like the 5-1 thrashing handed out in 1928 by the team that was instantly dubbed the Wembley Wizards.

Of course, there was 1967 when Scotland humbled Sir Alf Ramsey’s side on the same turf on which they had won the World Cup a year previously. Sure, the score was only 3-2 but the Scottish performance was personified by Jim Baxter, playing keepie-uppie with the ball as he sauntered down the left wing.

There are also one or two occasions they don’t talk about much in Scottish pubs. The 7-2 defeat in 1955, the 9-3 battering in 1961 or the 1975 episode, when Rangers’ Stewart Kennedy picked the ball from his net five times. “They shot the wrong Kennedy,” said the graffiti on Glasgow walls.

By the time I started going to Wembley the fixture’s days were numbered because of hooliganism. In 1977 the Scottish support had celebrated a 2-1 win by leaving with the pitch and goalposts. England casuals began to appear in Glasgow in the 1980s and the annual meeting of the sides was abandoned at the end of that decade.

Scotland did return to Wembley for Euro 96, only for Gary McAllister to miss a crucial penalty kick, which was followed by a glorious strike by Paul Gascoigne who, to rub a barrel of salt into gaping Scottish wounds, was Scotland’s player of the year due to his Rangers form. In 1999 Don Hutchinson netted the winner in a Euro 2000 playoff at Wembley, but sadly for the Scots, Paul Scholes had scored twice in the first leg at Hampden Park four days previously.

That was that – until this week’s episode. Mind you, whatever happens at Wembley between Roy’s boys and Gordon’s Grenadiers, it won’t change the answer to one favourite pub quiz question:

Q: Who was the last native Scot to score against England in a men’s senior competitive fixture? (answer below the picture of Don Hutchison's 1999 winner)

Don Hutchison scores at Wembley

A: Ray Houghton, born in Glasgow in 1962, for the Republic of Ireland at Euro 88.

The Auld Enemy is at 9.30pm on Tuesday 13 August on BBC Radio 5 live. You can listen again for seven days by clicking here. 5 live has full commentary on England v Scotland from 8pm on Wednesday 14 August.

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    Comment number 1.

    Who are the Commentators going to be?

    How are BBC Radio 5live and BBC Radio Scotland going to be working together?

    Are you going to share guests with ITV?

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    Comment number 2.

    Given that 2 British teams are playing each other in this match tomorrow, will we get fair balanced coverage & respect shown to BOTH teams? Given the anti-Scottish bias of the Radio Five Sports Deptartment I fear not. I wonder if the commentary team will be the usual England commentary team including the 'colourful' commentator who, the last time the teams played at Wembley in 1999, had an anti-Scottish rant before the game, the infamous "Scotland are dire" rant.

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    Comment number 3.

    Patrick BBC Radio 5live are in effect BBC Radio England, i note you fail to mention that BBC Radio Scotland will meet your criterion.

    Rose tinted glasses, come to mind.........

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    Comment number 4.

    Re 3: Fedster,I'm sorry I don't really understand your rose tinted glasses remark. Radio 5 may be in effect Radio England (i believe that there should be a Radio England, i have no problem with that) but they are still marketed as a national station & part of the British Broadcadting Corporation. Radio Five broadcasters aren't allowed to tell us who they vote for so why should they tell us who they do or don't support ? If Radio Five want to focus on England that is understandable, all I want, and i dont think its too much to ask for, is for respect to be shown to the other home nations.If a Five Live broadcaster said they didn't support England or laughed & joked when England lost, they wouldn't last too long with the station so why are they allowed to make remarks like this about the other home nations ? I stopped listening to TalkSport because of anti-Scottish remarks made by some of their broadcasters, should i stop listening to Five Live as well and miss their Premiership coverage, Danny Baker, Mayo & Kermode etc. It annoys me when these sort of remarks are made by Five Live broadcasters like the one mentioned in my previous posting (not to mention his regular summariser) especially as the BBC prides itself on its impartiality...

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    Comment number 5.

    Come on Patrick, we have had this conversation before, i cannot remember any anti scottish remarks by 5live staff, i think you are to senstive, judging by you boycotting stations, i have not heard a major outcry in the media of such things you allege. I wonder why.

    Surely you will be listening to BBC Radio Scotlands coverage tommorow anyway? So why does it matter so much?

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    Comment number 6.

    One of the best aspects of 5 Live's coverage of England games is that it's just about the only media outlet that is honest about how bad England are. The comments after the capitulation to Germany by Green and Waddle went far beyond 'dire'.
    Even last night there was a discussion about how uncompetitive the England U20s, U21s and senior team are and why this is.

    I suspect that any coverage of Scottish football would be insufficient for someone who doesn't like Talksport's presenters; a station whose 2 morning programmes have been presented by ex-Scotland internationals.

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    Comment number 7.

    Re 5: The blog administrator wont let me name individuals but I've heard Five Live broadcasters say "anti-Scottish racism is acceptable on the BBC", "an an Englishman I hope Scotland don't qualify", "do they play football in Scotland?", "I hate Sir Alex Ferguson", not to mention laughing & joking on air about Scotland losing etc. Why does it matter ? It matters because i enjoy watching & listening to sport especially English & Scottish football but if a commentator or summariser makes a snide partial remark about one of the other Briitish national teams (one they wouldn't dare about England) it makes you think they have no respect for those listeners like myself who support one of those teams. It's not a case of me boycotting stations, I'm just not a fan of the overly controversial Shock Jock style of broadcaster, i'd rather not listen to someone who is openly biased. When Five Live commentators do it straight, it makes for great radio but sadly there are a few commentators/summarisers who are more opinionated than impartial & the BBC does pride itself on its impartiality

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    Comment number 8.

    "I've heard Five Live broadcasters say "anti-Scottish racism is acceptable on the BBC", "an an Englishman I hope Scotland don't qualify", "do they play football in Scotland?", "I hate Sir Alex Ferguson",

    I am sorry but that is complete and utter tosh, i defy you to evidence 1 of the above, i bet you cant.

    If what you say is true, than i am sure the 5live mods will allow, after all such a statement will no doubt have been picked up by the likes of the Daily Mail.

    Go on Patrick,just 1 source for your claims, i wait with baited breath

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    Comment number 9.

    Re 8: In order: Colin Murray on Fighting Talk, George Riley on Aasmah Mir's Midday News,, Mark Lawrenson on Drive again to Aasmah Mir & Alan Green before a Manchester United Champions League

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    Comment number 10.

    They said what exactly, and if you allege they said such things as post 7, why did it not make the daily mail, or othert news outlet?

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    Comment number 11.

    England should not be wasting her time playing minnows such as Scotland. Far better would playing Germany or France as it is those teams who seem to get the better of us in the latter stages of tournaments.

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    Comment number 12.

    Well I'm watching the game on STV and as expected the commentary is very biased towards Scotland. Therefore ITV should be biased towards England (though only if they are broadcasting to England only). I have being English in Scotland!!

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    Comment number 13.

    Well done for the excellent coverage of last night's game. I was nice to hear a different commentary team on an England international and I really like Pat Nevin & Danny Mills' intelligent comments that lack the usual cliché of some summarisers.

    Following the debate on this blog I was also interested to hear that the only member of the team who questioned the quality of the Scotland players was Pat Nevin- the only Scot on the commentary team!

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    Comment number 14.

    Elsewhere Robbie Savage has published an article (and broadcast it) on how to engineer a transfer away from a club.

    Any chance he could put these dubious skills to use and engineer one away from Five Live ... taking Ian Wright with him?

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    Comment number 15.

    The chances of Wright disappearing seem to be slim as he's the voice of 5 Live's football adverts for the new season.
    If the BBC can't afford to get rid, then please pay for some elocution lessons for him.
    I certainly don't speak the Queen's English myself, but the adverts where he pronounces 'United' and 'City' without a 't' sound unprofessional and lazy for a national broadcaster.

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    Comment number 16.

    Shock Horror! Patrick has not come back with any evidence.

    Sounds like a bitter Scot!

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    Comment number 17.

    'Unprofessional and lazy' .... yep sounds about right for Five Live.

 

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