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Rebecca Denton, Online Exec | 08:00 UK time, Saturday, 11 February 2012





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  • Comment number 1.

    Hi. The guys at Being Human Facebook gave me your site and said you may know the answer to this question..Is there any way to find out what Annie is wearing? I would love to buy the grey shirt she wears under the Pirate Cardi.. it looks like it might have a little lace on it.. and also the grey shirt with the shoulders missing and the white shirt and her leggings?? I want the whole outfit.. it is adorable.,. also I did a online search and a lot of people asked what she was wearing so it would be great to know

  • Comment number 2.

    Now the T-Shirt image is revealed.

  • Comment number 3.

    As for Annie's cloths not the best one to ask, not good with the whole fashion thing.

  • Comment number 4.

    Oh that was the small thing of note.
    My brother says that the posters might be by an artist called Obey is that right?

  • Comment number 5.

    Oh another blog!! Yay!
    Ewan if the posters are by an artist called Obey, the bh team have done their research and added another meaning to the posters.
    About the Annie clothes, Tesco did do her jumper a few weeks ago but apart from that i cant be any help. Sorry.

  • Comment number 6.

    Hi Hally, you need to look at All Saints for Annie's clothes but you missed the actual outfit that you described it was sold on EBay before Christmas for charity happy shopping.
    That is a fabulous tshirt waiting to happen who's doing the merchandising ?? Put me down for small 1 please also had the idea for little pin badges with the trinity images on but I could go on all day teapot anyone ? happy Saturday everyone see you in a few hours

  • Comment number 7.

    Morning Bloggers! Morning Mods! Morning Rebecca!

    Ewan, I think your brother might be right. I seem to remember seeing an actual poster with OBEY on it but didn't click at the time. Pat on the back to your brother.

  • Comment number 8.

    Opening scene, huge poster reads obey.

  • Comment number 9.

    hi, another newbie,
    obey did a campaign in America using the slogan 'we are human' to protest about immigration reform. Posters are different but the typeface is the same

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  • Comment number 11.

    Blimey. we really are being treated on the blog front aren't we? :-)

  • Comment number 12.

    Good find mrsbarrowboy!
    I did a google search of "obey" and found this http://www.individualsole.com/2009/04/19/obey-obey-eye-print/

    A poster that may have inspired that one at the beginning of the episode.

  • Comment number 13.

    We are being spoiled with all these lovely new blogs - thank you! I've now almost forgotten the months and months without and just having to witter away amongst ourselves!

  • Comment number 14.

    Shame that the new blog went up so quickly! Was out last night and could not watch/comment on the video, but I decided to do it anyway on this page.

    Loved it! Tom is quickly rising up to my be my favourite character this season. Loved it very much last year too. And no, it's not just the eyebrows!

    I really like his unaware use of irony or comic lines, and how much he values what he considers his "pack". But also his straightforwardness in addressing all kinds of situations: he doesn't dwell much and that's a refreshing trait for a BH character - of course this is my and my point of view only...

    My granpa used to tell me and my cousins an alternative Red riding hood story, where him and my grandma where main characters...unfortunately the big bad wolf didn't meet an happy ending...so I won't tell ho ho it went!

    Also, thanks for your post at 24 Saint (previous blog). Re-posting the link I put in my post in the previous blog just shows what I meant: anyone can express their opinion, whatever that might be, as long as it's done politely and without making it into a personal attack.

    Love the poster, might print it out and put it in my living room :0)

  • Comment number 15.

    Ok ok... rewatched the first ep.

    1: Future girl at the very start says "This isn't supposed to happen". Series 4, like the last one might be based on a false prophesy. I'm even more convinced it's Eve on second veiwing.

    2: The vampire on the radio sounds like Edgar to me, it really does. It's not Hal.

    3: If Tom hadn't fallen for the trap George would still be alive. Still think Tom's so lovely now?! :-P

    4: "She's the war child, she has to stay alive" said the vampire recorder. i.e we go back to "this wasn't supposed to happen". Eve doesn't save the world like the scrolls say. Oh, The vampire recorder definately has an agenda separate from the vampires.

  • Comment number 16.

    Is Ewan still about?
    Lord Wolfie, a question, and if it's been discussed on any of the other blogs, sorry, but, those bones in the vamp lair? Are they just a vampire's idea of a cool coffee table, or something else? Are they human bones or werewolf bones? Can't see them being Old Ones', not a very respectful way to deal with your 'betters', the dead catch of the day on top of them, I can buy, but not putting Eve on top of them...

  • Comment number 17.

    15 - Morning Mikey! Yes! I though the vamp on the radio was EW too - hope it is! I had suggested that in another of the blogs but no-one agreed at the time.

    Yup - still loving Tom. George was going anyway - how he *went* doesn't matter. I know I can be very cruel mwahahahahaha

    I'm not convinced that the Vampire Recorder is a vampire - don't know why.

    14 - Morning Saraneth! Oh go on, tell us the end of your granpa's story. :-)

  • Comment number 18.

    Had He and Tom not been lured by trap then G would have been home when Fergus arrived with social worker and some kind of confrontation would have happened there? Outcome - who knows?

  • Comment number 19.

    Afternoon Sasha, yekin_mikey, Saraneth! And Saraneth, I'm with you, everyone has the right to their opinion, there are bits of the first epsisode I love and other bits I went, "Since when?" and "That doesn't make sense." It wouldn't be Being Human or the blog if we didn't occasionally disagree with each other, the questioning of plotlines and "Why the hell did he do that?" are all part of the fun.

  • Comment number 20.

    19 - Hiya Misty! One of the 'since when' things in episode 1 was the ww blood being toxic. That has been niggling at me - thought we must've seen it before at some point. Well imagine my joy when I though I'd traced it back and it had happened before. Remember at the end of S1 just before George rips Herrick's head off (lovely) we see Herrick getting dressed. You know, the whole crowd is there in the funeral parlour cheering him on - he's got the big black coat on and then he's handed a pair of black leather gloves and stomps off to sort George out. I'm thinking yes - they've done it before. Wrong - he wasn't going to meet George, was he? He though he was going to meet Mitchell. So - back to the drawing board on that one! Oh well - no gold star for me.

    I do hope we get an explanation on it though because we can't have got 2,000 years down the line without ww finding out that their blood is toxic to vampires, can we?

  • Comment number 21.

    19: Yep! On second watching a took in a couple of things I didn't see first time. The Werewolf blood was explained early on by George though it did feel a bit crowbared in.

    17: I agree. Don't think he's a vampire either. He must feel safe around them. They obviously need him

  • Comment number 22.

    It's a wee bit of a plot hole isn't it? Or is it? Oh my head Sasha! That whole section doesn't feel right, for some reason, to me. When did George find that out, when he killed Wyndam, who should have known about it, the vamps left them to it, did nothing, the script on Two Weeks Earlier blog doesn't sound like "Oh we're really scared, we killed an Old One, they've done nothing" Did Griffin put a wee card in with the flowers "By the way, I had my guys tog up because your blood is toxic..." That makes no sense to me at all. And he really seemed surprised at George's actions, when he bit his own wrist, that didn't look like "Oh I really shouldn't have told you that." So who did tell George about the ww blood? I think too hard Sasha...

  • Comment number 23.

    Afternoon all! Lovely day - temp is minus something stupid but it's sunny!

    I though exactly the same thing about Herrick and the focus on him putting on his gloves and completely forgot it was Mitchell he thought he was meeting! (I slapped myself around the head for that one...)
    I do still think it might explain the gloves most vampires wear, to protect their skin maybe?

    I wrote a post about werewolf blood on my own blog and linked it to the way vamps think WW smell vile - one of nature’s warning signs? Don’t eat this, it's bad for you?

    I didn’t think the Recorder was a vampire but surely he must be if he can see Annie? Or is he the new type of supernatural? Or just a slightly shambolic vampire!

    The more I watch it the more answers and details I find – but even more questions pop up!!

  • Comment number 24.

    23 - Hiya Aqua! Dash it - forgot he'd seen Annie didn't I! Tears hair out - nearly bald now! 'Or just a slightly shambolic vampire' ROFL - love it. Seth II maybe?

    Agree with the 'don't eat this it's bad for you' smell that must be coming from wws. Maybe it's just existing knowledge, but at a sub-conscious level, that the blood would kill a vamp if he drinks it?

    Even although he thought that Eve would be the death of all vampires, he didn't want to kill her or to let anyone else kill her. Why was that?

    You think too hard Misty? I feel your pain...............

  • Comment number 25.

    @mistress denton

    good afternoon, Panda and I had a rough night at the hospital, so woke up late or early, is it? Anyhow, interesting poster. The vampire one of the beginning of the season: Obey with the vampire eye/symbol inside, now this one : Fight or die. Fight ... what the vampires? Probably as the 'or die' is the fate of any human facing a vampire. Then the interesting caption: 'we are human'. Well, naturally We are human , as we human or as we plural? As yes, we the children of Darwin and the Werewolves , we are human together because as per George's words s1 e6, 'it proves my humanity'

    see link possible inspiration

  • Comment number 26.

    Hi Sasha!
    I have been going round in circles with toxic blood ideas as well as everything else! The one thing I can't explain is how Herrick stabbed McNair in the attic without getting a drop of blood on him.

    This whole theory HAS to come back in the story arc for S4! Please or we'll all have gone mad...

    Did you think Fergus had a touch of the Seth about him?

    Regus reminds me of the doddery aunt who guards the family photo albums and embarrasses you at wedding and funerals with naked baby pics!

  • Comment number 27.

    some spoilers for episode three http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00hqlc4/broadcasts/2012/02

    the skull is old and it is the woman of the end of the season trailer who was happy to chat up Hal despite being human between a vamp and a werewolf and all three on the run!

    so the dumb blonde, is she dumb? or does she play a role? Cessna? with a new Lucy??? or a promising Josie???
    what normal person would be in the cafe around the corner sitting with a book cover sporting an antique skull...

    which leads me to Sasha, waving to Sasha and Scotch_mist

    yes the bones on the table; the very old bones, the bones which are later on the death bed for the catch of the day
    is it the vampire version of Hyacinth Bouquet Derby china with the blue periwinkles: one very large plate ? after all, it was on a billard table that Richard's g=== died! But later, Richard buried the remains of his pets. Which was pretty decent of him all considered. Vamps drink blood, they feed on the blood, not on the flesh. Why would they keep human scattered remains? Not to mention the smell of rotting corpses and Mitchell could smell Sasha's decaying body... and Stoker's is by the sea; hence they can feed Trevors, plenty of Trevors with the bodies.
    Sequence: catch of the day on the table, lunch hour for vampires, body sent to the great Oceanic recycler. Bones kept there as a decoration? Vampire version of a table centre? or significant bones.
    Blood of the catch of the day willingly poured over the bones. Vampires seem to drink:feed one at a time; see Mitchell's first death. Seth was drinking, the two others were standing. The catch of the day blood is marked for the bones on the table: taking loads of human to ressurect whoever was the bones's owner. No, not Wyndham; see the cobwebs. Avery, very OO. One of the twin brothers?

  • Comment number 28.

    I think the vampire recorder is a (shambolic) vampire - doesn't he say "we're all going to die!" (we being vampires). I think most likely he just believes that what is written in the scrolls is going to happen no matter what you do so don't bother trying to fight it. He's excited to be seeing one of the prophesies come true.

  • Comment number 29.

    That's spot on Sage - he is excited isn't he? Even though he knows it means he dies too...
    Perhaps that's what he's been working towards all his life (which could be a very long time) - seeing one of the prophecies fulfilled

  • Comment number 30.

    28 - Hi Sage! Yeah that makes perfect sense doesn't it. I guess I was just hoping he wasn't a vamp - just to throw something else into the mix. Hey ho.

    As you say, he was very excited - when he initially brought the two scrolls to Griffin, he looked like the cat who'd just had the cream!

  • Comment number 31.

    the sequence is
    Werewolves as in human guise: blood not deadly. Seth, the village idiot was ready to bite into human George,; unafraid of Death but expecting to drink something not Tasty.
    Werewolves with vizors regarding Nina? but not wearing vizors when McNair actually killed the WW in the cage; No. Vamps are not suicidal.
    Griffin was ready to defend himself, to bite into half human-half WW George. He was not afraid of the contact with the blood at all. But he was surprised of the effect on ingesting the blood!
    Nina was fully human when the policemen killed her, her blood was not dangerous. The helmets and vizors were there to protect the murderers identity.
    So George lied. OK WW blood is dangerous when ingested and if something was going to happen to George; George shared with Tom a secret 'in case something befalls me'. No way George would have known when Nina died... any human would have been terrified if blood splatter caused the sudden combustion of people. George was told the secret, a secret not shared among vampires; an OO secret by somebody else... well Wyndham comes to mind.
    An OO woukld know a few tricks...
    More questions
    Why Wyndham? what is Wyndham's agenda? and how was Wyndham killed?

    by the way, you remember naturally Herrick was resurrected by having Cara and Daisy's blood poured over his remains, don't you!

  • Comment number 32.

    yes, Regus was excited and if you believe he does not know where the third scroll is hidden, you are believing that there is such a thing as the tooth fairy

  • Comment number 33.

    26 - Oh never thought about Fergus being like Seth. He seemed to have, how can I put it, a bit more intelligence about him. I think Fergus is a very nasty man - vampire - whatever! Even the way he pushes the young female vampire (the one wearing the red scarf) I thought she looked like the girl that played Hatty - by that I don't mean I think it was Hatty just thought she looked like the girl that played Hatty would look now? Lordy, I do tie myself in knots at times :-)

  • Comment number 34.

    33 - That, of course, should read Hetty. Freudian slip?

  • Comment number 35.

    Fergus is the vicious version of Seth - the anti-Seth! - the way Seth might have been if he hadn't been kept on a short leash as Herrick's pet

    I do like a bit of outright evil...

  • Comment number 36.

    35 - Yeah - I was a bit disappointed when babawolf wasn't a mass murderer at full moon. Then again, that might yet happen :-)

  • Comment number 37.

    I agree with Sage. I think Regus is a vampire. When he was reading the scrolls he said, "We're all going to die because of this baby!" Would he include himself in that if he wasn't one of them? And to George, "She's going to wipe us out. She's going to save the world."

    I think he's just a pure academic, gets excited and protective about his work and everything else is just secondary. And he was so interested in what George had done when he forced his transformation because it was something new.

    A thought though: Just before he left he also said, "Alright, baby. I'll see you soon." Why? To give them more help? Because he knows something else must happen soon and it'll involve him? Perhaps he knows they'll return to him later to ask about the scrolls, after all now was not the best time to go through them as George was dying! I think I just managed to talk myself into a reasonable reason! Haha.

  • Comment number 38.

    Oh I forgot to mention the posters. The poster at the very opening of the episode. Did anyone else think that the man in the eye (Obey poster) looked like Mitchell? That was my immediate response when I saw it!

  • Comment number 39.

    Perhaps the recorder can see Annie because he is the new kind of supernatural we were promised?

    I'm reasonably sure the toxic werewolf blood will return more importantly later, otherwise why shoe-horn it into this episode? Why couldn't George simply rip Griffin's head off?

    Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but with having a new blog every day it is becoming increasingly difficult to follow discussions and debates.

    The face in the poster above reminds me of Lon Chaney as The Phantom of the Opera. Something about the nose, I think:


  • Comment number 40.

    Re:31 - Oh yes Saint, I remember...I remember a Hammer film too, one of Christopher Lee's Dracula films, and I'm not old enough to remember that from first time round, any cheeky...

    Please let Hetty be on that boat...

    And another thing. Whilst we are in having a detailed look at the plot of last week's ep. Griffin at the big let's discuss today's evil plotting meeting:

    The Old Ones will start killing and recruiting when they land...What about the stuff Herrick said in the beautiful Paris scene, abot the Old Ones being very selective about their recruits, or rather one, having an heir, and that's how they survive...yet Griffin has them doing all this killing, recruiting...
    And he said something about foot soldiers aiding in the conversion of recruits, hang on, if you're recruited, you're recruited, surely, is that just wordplay, or something else?

  • Comment number 41.

    Saint, what do you mean, the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist? That's who the Old Ones get their replacement fangs from, isn't it? ;)

  • Comment number 42.

    40 - Think by the aiding in conversion he may have meant sit at their sides and wait for them to *wake up* as vampires. They need someone to hold their hand and tell them it'll be ok.

    39 - Very possibly he is the new supernatural. Eve may not be supernatural in any way at all - or at least not a new type. Although I tend to think she will be.

    There you go - I like to try to contradict myself at least once in a post!

  • Comment number 43.


    foot soldiers?

    season one Mitchell is a human WW1 soldier, later on Herrick still calls him soldier
    season 2 : Cessna wages war on the WW and vampires

    season 3 : McNair and son: soldiers; Cryptic Mitchell comments about a secret war ongoing to Herrick

    season 4 : FOOT SOLDIERS; any society has some form of hierarchy. Top dog, alpha and beta males, leader of the pack etc. Wolves may have some form of lead ; as for vampires: you have the OOs and ther fresh recruits as Dewi. Dewi who is Tom's versionin the vampire world.

    There is a war; but why if this is all in all just vampires or rather humans selling their souls to the Devil. Rather cliche me thinks. Then a war between WW and vamps again a cliche: been there , done that Underworld. As for the war child it is Sara Conner and war of the terminator machines. We all have seen it befoe so... so... there is something else missing. OK, the three storylines are united; but how and what is the missing bit thazt gives a meaning to the rest. The unique TW storyline never seen before...
    in fact the thing that is under our nose. Why is there a curse about WW? They have not sold their souls, they are scratched and where Mitchell accepted to become a vamp: ok; a bit far fetched but can see the soul being sold... Lauren did not where Daisy and Dewi did. Becca could have been and was rejected by Mitchell;;; anyhow WW do not sell their souls and certainly Annie did not.

    the Devil story is a cover up from my POV; WHAT is behind is the interesting thing

  • Comment number 44.

    Mitchell hated those who let themselves go and we hate what we are... can see vampires being peeps who accepted to be what they would become, sort of selling their souls, but no not the Devil, Devil is the easy explanation, nor the real one.
    Ghosts and WW are also humans who were contaminated by ? curse but that is just a word, a magic word which so far is not revealing itself

    Earth invaded... by what really. If vamps win, ok we have vamps; then what! ask yourself the question, then what
    because if it means vampire inland revenue, vampire NASA or vampire NHS what's the deal... boring

    Eve changing outfits before dying, dress fitting early 16th century

    as for the rythm of the blogs
    we were complaining of not having any blog entry for months end, and now we are complaining we have too many

    are we churlish? or inconsistent?
    being of the religion which states one cannot have his cupcake and eat it too,
    Iam happy with the blog
    @mistress denton, bring them on!

  • Comment number 45.

    Exactly, how did the ww curse come about? As a way to fight vamps, or what humanity will have to change into, to even stand a chance of surviving? Not every vamp agrees to become one, like Mitchell did, how do the ones who had it forced on them stand with the Devil story? Is he doing Ultraviolet, the British series, after all? The Old Ones come back in that ship, not just to avoid pesky customs, passport problems, lack of photo id etc, but to avoid being spotted by Cessna's better funded replacement?

  • Comment number 46.

    Also, Cutler did say that they would show the world something worse than the vampires taking over the world. Mmmmm - twirls my moustache and ponders that one.

  • Comment number 47.

    @ scotch_mist

    you have my email
    I have my theory and happy to share with you, but must stay a secret

  • Comment number 48.

    Go on then Saint, email away. Will not divulge anything...I am a loyal foot soldier of...hang on, haven't decided which side I'm on in the oncoming battle...
    That and you have a couple of my plot points, and I don't want them divulged either...ooh vampire politics, makes the real life ones look like pussycats...

  • Comment number 49.

    Mistress Rebecca, saw you floating by over there...how many skeletons were on that floating coffee table in the Stoker hangout? I thought there were five, or six, but then maths has never been my strongpoint...

  • Comment number 50.

    Hiya Saint. I'll decline, thanks. If it needs to stay a secret, it's probably going to tell me more than I want to know, but thanks anyway.

    As for sides, Misty - I was always a vamp girl through and through but I have the feeling that that may change this series. Whatdyamean fickle.............?

  • Comment number 51.

    44. I wasn't complaining about the number of blogs, just posting comment that it made it harder to follow so this may lead to unanswered questions and repetition.

    And, unlike you, I never complained about there not being any new blogs: 'we are STARVED', I think you wrote a few times.

    So there is neither inconsistency nor churlishness, nor the need to pose such questions, really.

  • Comment number 52.

    OK stick with me on this one, cos am not sure my theory makes any sense :-)

    Is it possible Regis means humanity when he says 'we're all going to die?'

    Somehow (baby) Eve staying alive will ensure the vampires success ( as seen in 2037)?

    Maybe that is what is written on the 3rd scroll and that is why (Future) Eve ( if that's who she is) says she has to kill the baby after seeing that missing piece?

    Just a theory...

  • Comment number 53.

    45 - The slogan "We are human" on the poster seems to have emphasis on "we" and "are", so perhaps you are on to something there with humans allying themselves with werewolves or vice versa?

  • Comment number 54.

    Ok am getting carried away now...we all think Eve will save the world ( remember George's last words) but maybe by it's by dying that she saves the world? ( all starting to sound a touch biblical now)

  • Comment number 55.


    Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but with having a new blog every day it is becoming increasingly difficult to follow discussions and debates.

    Sorry if the above let to be read misconstructively

  • Comment number 56.

    55 - I read that as EdwardGeorge apologising if his point was a repeat of what someone else had already said because he was struggling with keeping up. My two cents.

  • Comment number 57.


    yes, the 'we' IN THE WE ARE HUMAN, sounded a bit excessive; do we proclaim our humanity? no, we know it a fact; obvious facts do not need to be stated

    but werewolves would be keen to underline their 'humanity' as it would be denied by vampires

    in the 'we' as in we together , you the human human and the human werewolf, 'we together' are human and we fight together and we die together

  • Comment number 58.


    not asking anybody to apologize, good grief; my post was an apology for having misconstrued his post

    poor @mistress denton, I feel for you; she must have the patience of a saint

    anyhow, we were discussing the poster, its significance, we were discussing werewolf blood and we should have a look at the third scroll because there is another pregnant woman there

    have a look drunkkath, more brains achieve more results

  • Comment number 59.

    What are the vamps coming back to do?

    Take over, put humanity in its rightful place, under the vampires' 'caring, sharing' rule, right...
    Does this mean the usual we will pick who we like, keep a portion to feed from, and everyone else goes the way of the dinosaur? Or something worse? Unless the vamps have some way of not having to rely on humans for their food or their breeding to provide that food, horrible way of putting it, I know, but, recruiting too many, not enough humans to feed the new regime, the vamps would be killing themselves, if they crush humanity...
    and vamps are hunters, predators, something more insidious is up their sleeves surely?

  • Comment number 60.

    How about all three species are evolving, vamps, werewolves and humanity? If humans blood becomes toxic, the vamps are dead, game over, if humanity is turned into werewolves to survive, the vamps are dead dodos...
    Pass the paracetamols Saint please...

  • Comment number 61.


    to put it simply: when Spain invaded the Americas, the Natives were used as slaves and the plunders ended up in Castillian pockets
    it took the Valladovid controversy to show Natives had a soul. Then Africa was raided for slavery because the controversy denied Africans to have a soul. Have a look, all above is sadly true.
    Invade, conquer, get rid of the previous owners-dinosaurs and change the scenery.
    Here vampires relying on humans to survive; remove humans by overkilling like Buffalo Bill killing buffaloes: what happens to vampires: death by hunger.
    Problem with species is reproduction: without humans not only vampires cannot feed, but their specie cannot expend!
    the third scroll shows a double pregnancy, twins? with a dark circle, a dark heart, vampires?
    think: if we have an organic werebaby, what about a specie notorious for its very poor 'normal' reproductive rate. In short: vampire reproduce like cells scissiparity, one to one, where humans do by sexuality two make one,and allow a better play of genetics , than a poor one on one, more variety

  • Comment number 62.


    I have already swallowed the last paracetamols with mu=y other theory if you remember

    the third scroll was not about saving humanity, it was about saving vampires!
    why woukld a specie be excited about the saviour of another specie unless it is about the saviour of its own specie

    rubik cube and russian dolls

  • Comment number 63.

    The future of humanity - which is better, ruled over by bloodsucking vamps, or being turned into werewolves...

    And George and Daisy, ww blood, that would have been really unsafe (looks at Mod) ahemming in the outdoors too, looking back, bit athletic, chance of cuts in all that undergrowth...

  • Comment number 64.

    Now that's an interesting thought Misty! If you're a werewolf your blood becomes toxic if you have 'ahemmed' with a vampire!!

  • Comment number 65.


    yes because I doubt very much they used condoms

    so it is not humanwolf shape, I think we have enough elements , my dear Scocth Holmes. But that is where Doctor Saint muses about

    Vamps as Cutler ready to divulge existence of werewolves to convince humanity to accept vampires in their fold
    so we have 'human vampires' and humans enough daft to be suck....ers.
    vampires take over, hence the obey poster, obey, accept to be turned or be treated as cattle because there is no other option or... fight or die

    die in both options or fight the 'turning' or 'be turned'
    either way we end up dead or supernaturals

    another email

  • Comment number 66.

    63. As long as it's only blood which is toxic and not any *cough* other fluids ( am I going to get modded for that?)

  • Comment number 67.

    Hi everyone...just had chance now to do quick catch up on last few b;og additions....my favourite by miles?....Tom's storytime....loving that character!

    I'm looking forward to tomorrow's episode and can't really think beyond that at the mo regarding theories.....although I do think that Regus is a vampire....albeit a very stange one!
    Don't know how many of you caught it but Lenora and Michael were on T4 this morning...they didn't say much about the show although both were funny....reason I mention this was that they showed a new clip from tomorrow's episode I think....very funny....Tom learning the Annie 'house rules'!

  • Comment number 68.

    and is it why one you 'ahemmed' with said vampire that the pill stops working for werewolves?

    but aside of G/Daisy and Ivan who knew, and Ivan was not bothered... if he had known, he would have worried... unless the 'ahemming' works both ways

    oh my God, where is the ibuprofene

  • Comment number 69.

    66 - Don't think the *other* fluids are a problem Kath - pretty sure George didn't leave the party early...............

  • Comment number 70.

    Not sure Drunkkath, the Mod on today keeps turning away and laughing...not sure if it's the 'ruler' Mod or not...
    And I'm sure I don't know what you mean... ;)

  • Comment number 71.

    @drunkkath - had to pop in an say how utterly hilarious that was. Goodness... What would my granny say....!

  • Comment number 72.

    Exposing Werewolves.

    1 - Misdirection "The Werewolf threat" hiding the real Vampire Threat plus blame mass disappearances on them. Armies against werewolves.
    2 - Threat removal, with their blood and the removed.

  • Comment number 73.

    Kath - I'm lost! Do you mean if they sneezed??
    I can't think of what else you coud possibly mean...
    *big innocent eyes*

  • Comment number 74.

    69 ( apt number?) Did or didn't leave the party early?

    70. I'll draw you a picture ;-)

  • Comment number 75.


    which ends up the same
    a dwindling humanity used as cattle, then... then what
    no blood supply, and death

    which means there must be something else in that master plan
    unless collective suicide or starvation, famine and slow death, vampires drinking each other is the plan of the coming of age of the vampire race

  • Comment number 76.

    73. Now Jo, can't fool me..we've met remember...

  • Comment number 77.

    You know I bet Lord T didn't think of that one, did he? Takes a few female bloggers to come up with that one...

    And Drunkkath, I did do biology at school...just for some reason they didn't do vampire/werewolf biology, and it would come in very handy now, wouldn't it?! ;)

  • Comment number 78.

    Now wondering how many werewolves have ahemmed (I like that - it's euphramism central round here today!) with vampires...

    Would it work in reverse - so to speak - male vamp/female ww?

    Actually I think I may need to STOP thinking about this!!

    And my school didn't cover undead/wolfish biology either... very remiss

  • Comment number 79.

    75 - Herrick already solved that - Human Farms

  • Comment number 80.

    74 - He didn't leave the party early and it didn't seem to do Daisy any harm. Can't think what you mean about the post number? :-)

  • Comment number 81.

    Afternoon all. just a quick comment on Tom.... (He will be a very protective Uncle for little Eve in think, just like Mcnair was of him)

    Nice bed time story... Goode ole humour! Think mcnairs bedtime tales may have influenced Toms hatred of vamps.

    Q. 1. didn't Mcnair have a Geordie accent?
    2. isn't Toms a yorkie accent?

  • Comment number 82.

    81 - Hi Lycan. Do you mean like in chocolate bar? :-)

    Sorry, I've no idea about the accent but do agree that Tom will be very protective of Eve and I think she'll need a lot of protecting.

  • Comment number 83.

    82. Sasha more like as in.. Bluddy ek lad that naht abhat int moors but B__dy Werewolves"

    Also to add to the WW toxic blood riddle..

    Seth was ready to bite George when he and Annie raided the funeral Parlour then got weakened by his star of David. (Seth not too Bright, may have forgotten the "dont bite the Wolf" rule)

    Also, G bit/ripped Hs head off, Mcnair bit/ripped Richard head off, why couldn't G do the same to Griffin?

    Final point; did anyone else think the Vamps were a bit soft, when Annie and Tom stormed in? (loadsa vamps only one Tom) and All griffin did was gaup while G rampaged breaking little vamps necks.

    Q. isn't Griffin Wyndham predecessor (sure he said that), does that mean Griffin was a junior OO?

  • Comment number 84.

    #60 ScotchMist So do I get to pick which vampire I'm under?

  • Comment number 85.

    83. Did the vampires in S1-3 know about the WW blood toxic rule? ( maybe they lost that particular scroll too)

    Can't help wondering if this only came to light when George killed Wyndham?

    ( it still doesn't answer for me, why more Vamps didn't perish during various scuffles with WWs..grumble..grumble..grumble :-))

  • Comment number 86.

    83. sorry forgot to add, that might explain why the Vamps were so wary about getting into a fight with the WWs?

    85. Such a perve, twinnie ( bagsy Mitchell ;-) although I am warming to Hal)

  • Comment number 87.

    Perve? moi? No idea to what you're referring twinsie!

    Is Mitchell in a hoover bag?

    There is something about Hal that I like. I like the actors subtlety. I do like Cutler too though. Just remembered they killed my Ivan so I can't have him either... :(

  • Comment number 88.

    Sorry Saint, I think I read it wrong haha.

    @ ewan I like that. That could very well be the "something worse" that Cutler referred to. He is ever so interested in werewolves after all.

  • Comment number 89.

    86 Twinsie I have to say that line about toxic WW blood through me a bit too. That and many other things. But you know I can go on and on about things that have been doing my head in in BH land.

  • Comment number 90.

    when it comes to the pack, George seemed to have been a bit 'roughened' up by the vamps, if George's bllod has been toxic as human wof it would have shown in season one, when Mitchell meets George is bleeding...
    this WW toxicity is only in WW beast shape.
    OOs , who are all survivors by the fact they lived all theses years are given enough time to see 'things happening', a vampire struggling against a WW, biting and wuffff... no more vamp. Hence the foot soldiers ready to be killed by WWs , which seem to be less frequent than vamps statistically
    season one G, Tully
    season twp G, N, Tully and the other three
    season three G, N, two McNairs and the WW killed by McNair
    three seasons none WW
    now how many vampires and season four is now down to dying Leo and Tom and lil'MissEve if she is a WW which so far has not been demonstrated ut for the fact she sees Annie hence she is a supernatural

    none the less, the last vamp:WW meeting this time no cage since we have in the cage, out of the cage and no cage, the vamps were indeed wimps
    a few staking, a few neck breaking, a surprised Cutler, a very surprised Griffin, most left in a hurry but were expecting G to fully transform and they knew Tom was a WW, ?.???

  • Comment number 91.

    My laptop is still dead, It's in the repair shop, So I'll have to watch BH on the iPad Tomoz bit awkward, But not watching is not an option.

    "It has to be done in a certain way ores it dosnt count"

  • Comment number 92.

    90 - I'm still not convinced that because Eve can see Annie that automatically means she is a supernatural. They say (not sure who they are mind you) that young children are more open/sensitive to the supernatural and the fact that George says Eve can see Annie and therefore is supernatural could be a red herring. That being said, I'm being devil's advocate here because I do think the ww gene will have survived in Eve - just not sure when it will present itself.

  • Comment number 93.

    @saffz hello dear

    yes, did you know it looked quite Egyptian the way he wore the tea towel and the style of knife too
    Regus is great, but about as good a lier as George

    what did Regus mean by leaving the two scrolls to Annie and Tom; and he would see the baby 'later', what is later for a vampire?

    finally how to explain a battered body to a funeral home?
    TW is not choosing the easiest way
    doubly orphan baby
    invisible foster mother
    as for the foster dad, not werewolf vetting is not part of the curriculum for Social Services

  • Comment number 94.

    91 Regus about killing Eve!

  • Comment number 95.

    His name was Regus?

    I was just gona say the vampire recorder lol

    But yes that's right :) smileyy

  • Comment number 96.

    It's not that Eve can see Annie but the fact she can be touched by Annie that makes her Supernatural. A non-Supernatural would go through Annie easier than water.

  • Comment number 97.


    in biology genes add up, they never negate them selves
    and the following result known as homozygote , sorry for the pedantic detail, is alwaays in a sadder state than the heterozygote

    zygote fertilized egg
    homozygote .. with identical gene
    heterozygote... with different gene

  • Comment number 98.


    yes, yes, you are absolutely right
    and if the baby can be carried by Annie, then she is supernatural and that explains why Fergus also knows she is not 'human'
    because he sees her being carried by Annie

  • Comment number 99.

    96 - Hi Ewan. How did she manage to get away with working in the pub? Is it not in the mind - if you can see her you can touch her/ be touched by her?

  • Comment number 100.


    people could see her, thus they could accept to see the objects she was moving about, like when she moved objects to paint go home on the wall

    but since she has lost the ability to be seen
    she can only moved objects when she is ina supernatural environment?
    she can move objects if the environment sees her?


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