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Rebecca Denton, Online Exec | 20:00 UK time, Thursday, 9 February 2012

 

2 Weeks Earlier.

 

 

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  • Comment number 1.

    Oooh - more clues! Thanks Rebecca!

  • Comment number 2.

    Aww - not clues, just really sad. Poor George! Poor Nina! Poor Eve!

  • Comment number 3.

    OMMMMG! This is a script! Awww

  • Comment number 4.

    She's framed in the doorway. *Sobs*

  • Comment number 5.

    Sadness, in a way you can see that this scene although moving would have been wrong to film, it's just too short to work as a send off. it's a last scene ever filmed moment but not a goodbye scene.

    If there is a later scene than this of Nina begging Annie not to let George out it might have worked hearkening back to the morning after in cure and contagion S2E1
    "It would destroy him."

    Maybe but the scene would feel rushed, it is wonderful to read and to know it was there but still it wouldn't fit.

  • Comment number 6.

    Why was this scene axed?
    It would have been lovely. :(

  • Comment number 7.

    heartrending.

  • Comment number 8.

    Oh! How sad.

  • Comment number 9.

    Reading this makes me so sad for little Eve Sapphire Sands - growing up without the mommy & daddy who love her so much

  • Comment number 10.

    if this was left in, it wouldve been the best scene of the episode. Now I just feel bereft. Being Human US is good. Being Human (UK) was good. This new series feels like Being Human Belorus. Like a crappy cheap knock off. Fair play, the BBC have killed this show for me.

    "You've got a fight on your hands." Really? 45 minutes later everyone in that scene is dead. Some fight.

  • Comment number 11.

    Who's to say this scene won't appear in a future episode, as a flashback?

  • Comment number 12.

    awww,that's so sad...

  • Comment number 13.

    Really guys? Have you no heart? It's too bloody soon to envision this scene... :'( Having said that - brilliant job from everyone involved with the series premiere; ignore all the grumps and (any) negative reviews.

  • Comment number 14.

    11 - Hello bonehead411 and welcome to the blog. I could be wrong, but I don't think they'd have given us the script for it if it had been filmed. As I say, could be wrong though - usually am :-)

  • Comment number 15.

    Ewan - you are *right* on the money. Everything you said, I think too.

  • Comment number 16.

    very sad , i think ive wept nearly all the way thro' every series episode !...

  • Comment number 17.

    Beautiful. But i agree with Ewan, whatever the final scenes were for any of them they would never be enough, like any bereavement there is always more that could of been said but wasn't. It's just hard with Nina because it happened off screen.

  • Comment number 18.

    This episode was already emotional, I think if they had put this scene in as well I would have been an emotional wreck

  • Comment number 19.

    In the words of McNair Sr

    It had elegance.

    Understated, simple, class! Stating the bloody obvious , the crossing the door would have raised alarm bells if it had been filmed. As such , it is a fitting good bye from a woman who hated to be fussed about and all sorts of fuss.
    The fine art of leaving the scene.

    It also raises the issue of werewolf blood.
    'full moon is in two weeks'
    if WW blood is poison as in WW beast mode, then why did the vampires need helmets and vizors?

  • Comment number 20.

    Aah, that's a shame. A series of flashbacks to build on unseen events would've been pretty cool. All the same, can't wait to see the new characters develop further. Already loving Hal.

  • Comment number 21.

    I think they should have filmed it.....no matter how short...I understand the majority who feel Mitchell and Nina's death's were only briefly discussed so we would focus on the new characters, but like Edward Geroge said in a previous blog, just a few minutes would have been nice. Part of the reason I watch so much British TV is because I feel the acting and writing are far superior to the edited and politically correct stuff we have here in the US even if my heart gets ripped out on a regular basis. I would have sacrificed my heart to see this script acted out.

  • Comment number 22.

    i could actually imagine Sinead and Russell acting this scene out in my head XD

  • Comment number 23.

    20 - As I said, I could very well be wrong - have been waaaaaay off the mark in the past and no doubt will be again. I'm loving Hal too :-)

  • Comment number 24.

    i love the show but a dont see there beein any more scripts after this 1 were is the story going now that gourge and nina is dead whats to come from being human

  • Comment number 25.

    23- I think your right to be honest

  • Comment number 26.

    @mistress denton

    We are aware of your legitimate wish to have the loggers focusing on the latest blog for their post; yet some do not and it is their right like the detective scroll-do , some feel that to discuss those on This delicate blog which is what I call the Nina sequel, is 'just not right'.
    Would it be acceptable rather to sort of keep two blogs open: the forensic one for the prospective Nancy Drew bloggers and the 'general' one where posts could be more delicate , but less focused on the investigation side?


    please, pretty please?

  • Comment number 27.

    24 - Hi Josh and welcome. I think there's loads to come from the show and fully expect to be on the edge of my chair again this series. Stick with it, I'm sure you'll love it. LT rules, imho.

  • Comment number 28.

    Such a brilliant scene, but also really sad knowing what happened to Nina right after that. I Think it would have been good to see this in the episode, or a future episode, plus I really like seeing the scripts for BH because the characters and scenes have been so well written that you know what the actors reactions would be like in the scene.

  • Comment number 29.

    22..katy1994...I can too

  • Comment number 30.

    Oh, @Saint. If I could find a way, I certainly would do! It's difficult as this is the way the blog works - latest first. I think it is something to think about though... in future...

  • Comment number 31.

    I think this was probably written way back before they knew Sinead wouldn't be returning for this series.

    This is a beautiful scene... and it would have been wrenchingly lovely to see them together one last time. All things considered, I think the way episode handled all these things was still really well done. I just can't wait to see how the rest of the series plays out :)

  • Comment number 32.

    19 Saint - I was thinking just that too! I went back and watched the scene in which Mitchell and George first meet and George is spewing blood everywhere. The vampires were wearing gloves and their usual long coats while they were beating him up but they weren't particularly wary of getting any blood on or in them.

  • Comment number 33.

    19 and 32. stx and welcome Min (are u new? haven't noticed u afore)

    WW blood - also Seth was all vamped up a ready to bite Georges neck when he and Annie stormed the funeral parlour. TW explain!!......

  • Comment number 34.

    It will be interesting to see how (if) the toxic werewolf blood not apparently being a problem before thing is resolved. If it was only that the blood is toxic if swallowed it wouldn't be so much of an issue. By stressing the protection needed to beat up Nina they've created a problem. Time will tell if this is a plot hole or only looks like it at the moment.

  • Comment number 35.

    The protection - well that can be solved.

    Bats create splatter. Plus the effect of being attacked by people in masks would be scary.

    Now as for this weakness would vampires know. It might be as they find the smell of Werewolves so bad the risk of them bighting them not very likely. I have a feeling though that if Wyndmn did attack George - who might have defended himself EW might have had a taste.

    Whyndmn being an accident and revealing this weakness of Vampires.

  • Comment number 36.

    Possibly. But punching with fists causes blood spatter too and vamps seem to regularly beat up werewolves. Are you saying that the protection may not necessarily mean the blood is toxic on the skin? More an extra protection because it was a planned and particularly violent attack? And to be more scary as you say? It makes more sense if the blood is only toxic if swallowed. And it would make it more reasonable that most vamps and werewolves don't know. You'd think that if werewolves knew this they'd be telling each other and using it.

    Poor Nina. They really picked a horrifically brutal way to kill her off :(

  • Comment number 37.

    They do now.

  • Comment number 38.

    Could it also be partly due to the fact they were going to beat her to death with baseball bats in broad daylight? Maybe they didn't want to be seen as much as anything else?

    With Seth - he was going to have a munch on George but, from memory, didn't he recoil when he realised he was a ww?

  • Comment number 39.

    I'm confused. I thought Sinead left the series at the end of season 3. So why were they even writing a script for season 4 that included her character?

  • Comment number 40.

    Morning Tess. At the end of S3, I think the only character we knew for sure wasn't coming back for S4 was Mitchell and it is something I've thought about over the last few days.

    A number of folks have posted that they are upset at the fact they think LT has in some way been disrespectful to Mitchell, George and Nina characters by not giving them a proper send off. Maybe we are judging the whole situation and just plain getting it wrong.

    Is it possible, perhaps, that the scene wasn’t filmed because Sinead couldn’t do it because of other work commitments, or that that this scene and any other closure scenes for Nina weren’t filmed simply because Sinead just plain didn’t want to do them?

    Obviously I’m not privy to what happened but that is the whole point really. Does anyone, other than the people involved, know why it happened the way it did?

    It seems to have been decided that LT is responsible. Maybe he didn't decide to write Nina out when he did. Maybe he didn't decide to write her out at all. Maybe he is just as annoyed and disappointed that he didn’t get to film a *goodbye* scene. Just saying....it could be possible, couldn't it?

  • Comment number 41.

    @sasha

    hello dear lady,

    no Seth was not relishing the idea of biting George in the funeral parlour but he was none the less doing iyt because he had been angered by George.
    I suppose the helmets were a part of the 'let's be fearsome and frightening approach' to Nina and at the same time avoid being recongnized by the public. hence the vizors. Do not forget how 'charming' can be Fergus when he wants to. And how he likes to kill, using pretty standard human methods. I mean a vampire who prefers using knife sto slice a throat than his fangs, that tells a lot about the man , right?

  • Comment number 42.

    41 - Hi Saint. Yup - knife carrying when you have a set of perfectly good fangs is just bang out of order. Fergus, as charming as he can be, is NOT a nice man!

  • Comment number 43.

    @SASHA
    on with you

    We shall never know what happened, except that a sequell as opposed toa prequel, yet as definitive was written yet could not be filmed. Herrick because the subject was so sensitive, Nina because quite possibly SK was not available despite TW's wish.

    But it was written and 'it had elegance'. Suggesting the obvious without stating it.

    And opening at the same time the big question of the WW blood. Nina did not kill Wyndham, Nina was at mid WW cycle hence her blood was not dangerous to vamps. Vamps were not recognizable to ...the public because they wore helmets. George lied. George learnt something from Wyndham... about WW blood, before killing him. the question is how EW was killed and why was G made privvy of that big secret. because clearly Griffin did not know and was planning to fight off by biting into George and Culter did not know also! More on next post

  • Comment number 44.

    Would the vampire recorder know? Quite probably; after all we suspect he knows more about the third scroll than he said. He knows the significance of it and his agenda may be less friendly than it is.
    Did he touch George? I do not remember , he was quite professional on his assessment of George condition... and not afraid of the blood- swallowing is important.
    WHAT ABOUT THE VAMPIRES WHEN ONE BREAKS THEIR NECK...
    We have staking, ripping their head off, fire but neck breaking?
    A neck break does not injure the blood vessel, it just snaps the cervical medullar cord... what is hidden in a vampire cord???

  • Comment number 45.

    Morning Bloggers! Hi Saint, Ewan and sasha!
    41 - but a knife is quick. If he'd bitten her, he wouldn't have had time to finish the job and she may have survived, like the man in the park in S2 did (well, for a while anyway.)
    Is that coffee brewing?

  • Comment number 46.

    44 Well, neck-snapping may not kill them but it's great at stopping them from chasing after the baby for a while.

  • Comment number 47.

    45 - Hi Sea. Always thinking of the practical aren't you :-)

    44 - Never thought about the neck snapping. We've seen quite a lot of that and, as Sea says, it does stop them running around too much. But they don't die - well they don't go puff in a cloud of smoke, do they?

  • Comment number 48.

    There always is that problem with vampires. Maybe if they just lay down in a darkened room they get better. Remember how quickly Mitchell's wounds healed once he had some fresh blood inside him?

  • Comment number 49.

    @sea
    morning, morning

    the question is what happends next to all those paralized vampire
    they do not breathe hence, what epidemic if tetraplegic vampires?
    or
    Tom then has to stake countless corpses in the now empty Stoker imports?
    The werewolves of 'the pack' ripped all the bodies apart, leaving the next morning for the human wolves to clean up and stake whatever remained?

    Concistency is important
    what happens to vampires when their neck is broken
    when did Wyndham die
    how did he die
    why did he reveal the WW secret to George

  • Comment number 50.

    49 - Maybe he was begging to be allowed to live, just like Nina. He promised George a secret if he didn't kill him - he gave George the secret but then he killed him all the same?

    I don't think that is right though. Wasn't Griffin an old one? He didn't know about the ww blood being toxic to vamps.

    This might be another instance of *secret words being said* syndrome and we'll just have to take it on faith. I do hope there is an explanation though. Even if LT just sticks something on the blog for us. Rebecca, are you here, my lovely? :-)

  • Comment number 51.

    Wyndham begging George to live??? beggars belief!

    Wyndham would rather being seen as a Panto Dame than beg a 'dog'. Besides as he said, you 'can't be a thousand years old, without having learnt a few tricks'

    Griffin may not be a very Old One why otherwise would he offer a welcome gift like one offers a bouquet to a Royal visitor. He is not then an OO because if one is a royal one does not bring a gift to an equal, one hugs , pats on the back and leave sthe bouquet carrying thing to an inferior

  • Comment number 52.

    Was Griffin an OO? Then maybe the ww blood only kills OO's? They're not scared of stakes after all - and we all have our weaknesses don't we? EW didn't tell G the secret - in my theory it happened accidentally during a fight. That explains why your run-of-the-mill vampire's unaware of it until EW dies - then the word gets out that the ww blood is poisonous and all the vamps are scared of it.

  • Comment number 53.

    52 - Oh maybe Griffin wasn't an OO! I'd just assumed he was because he mentioned that EW was his predecessor and then he said something like the other OOs will be here in 2 months.

  • Comment number 54.

    Noooo! He has to be an OO now or the theory won't work. Tell me he's an OO pleasssssse.

  • Comment number 55.

    Griffin replaced EW, that does not mean he is an OO. Remember the email. MI5 MI6, Griffin may have been 'recruited' like Cooper wanted to recruit Nancy because he was the right man at the right place at the right time.
    The way Griffin speaks about the OOs suggests reverence, not equality; though Griffin is clearly a man of power, well he would be if in RL he was a top MI6 head of service.
    But he would have been aware of the WW blood if he had been an OO and Wyndham would have known; through an accidental broken cage. vamps able to fight back as more numerous than the one werewolf but the ones who fought and bit back 'fading to black'...
    Hence Something is fishy abot EW death, he died, but in what circumstances?

  • Comment number 56.

    You see, I'm still not completely convinced that EW is dead. Don't know why.

  • Comment number 57.

    New blog up peeps!

  • Comment number 58.

    56 Now there's a thought. It's 'cos that Lord Toby can be a bit tricksey.

    What about the scroll recorder. Is he a sham? How did he get the job if he is a) anti-vampire and b) not very good at it. From the scene in 2037 it seems he got the prediction wrong - or was it a bluff? Or people misinterpreting things for themselves? What has he read in the scrolls that's come true in the past?

  • Comment number 59.

    @sasha

    yes, something smelling not quite right but... Griffin and other vamps believe it

    must say Wyndham, Ivan, Cutler same sense of sarcasms

    Cutler could be Wyndham's dark heir. Wyndham dies... apparently- but his dark soul.... moves to Cutler. Now that has elegance. Cutler's agenda seems WW orientated, just like Wyndham who wanted to see what would be the baby... naturally for the benefit of the vampire ethnicity.

  • Comment number 60.

    33 - Hi Lycan, I am new! I first poked my head into the first new scroll post :)

    I like the idea that George learnt the secret of werewolf blood between the seasons since it's the only way I can make it make sense. Tom didn't know, which means that McNair didn't either (surely he would have told him). Also during the fight at the end of the episode a vampire holds a knife up to Tom's throat and tries desperately to cut him so he's obviously not scared of blood.

    However, George must assume that vampires know (or learnt it at the same time he did) because going back to how he described what happened to Nina to Tom, he specifically says that they wore the visors so they didn't get werewolf blood splattered on them. That must be what he believes, there's no reason for him to lie about that, especially to Tom.

  • Comment number 61.

    I think the whole venomous WW blood is a closely gaurded secret among the vamp elite as its essentially a huge achilles heel to the vampires. I mean if it was common knowledge then over the centuries the WW would have had a nice safeguard between Moons & the vamps really didnt want them to know it.
    Personally I think this secret may well have been got out of Wyndam who as a result has to really dead or at least seen to be........
    As for the neck breaking , Is'nt decapitation a way of killing vampires & if so are'nt you essentially internally doing that when you break their necks...??

  • Comment number 62.

    As for the neck breaking , Is'nt decapitation a way of killing vampires & if so are'nt you essentially internally doing that when you break their necks...??

    when one is tetraplegic which is the result of that type of neck injury, one can live on, the problem being breathing as high cervical spinal injuries are deadly on the lung side
    let's imagine for science sake, we have a C1 injury, brain ok, damage from the first cervical nerve root/bilateral naturally.
    Vampires are paralyzed but alive still, like Mitchell when he was stabbed. alive but weak. Or the vamps when they were blown up in B Edwards
    to save them from the misery, stabbing or fire are the only option. Interestingly, Ivan is seen laying flat on the floor from a severe occipital brain injury. But his body is still there , so un-dead in theory and alive inside his head?

  • Comment number 63.

    @caradoc
    yes Wyndham must have made George privvy of that fact. Now WW do not remember what has happened to them during the change; hence Wyndham' s death must have happened outside of the change period. Did Wyndham tried to steal the baby from the maternity ward?
    Nina was the retribution for Mitchell - and Wyndham death. It happened 2 weeks before the season rolls up and Eve was nine days old. Not for a minute do I believe the vamps would have been patiently waiting for them to strike if Wyndham had been killed before Eve's birth. Hence Wyndham must have been killed during that very small time gap, Eve's birth- Nina's death and Nina's death must have followed Wyndham's very shortly afterwards.
    But it would have been downright suicidal ... to kill Wyndham ... without Mitchell's protection. it was bad enough the OOs wanted to have the couple killed

  • Comment number 64.

    hence Wyndham's death is unexplainable from a survival point of view for the couple and Eve. Killing Mitchell could make sense as it was saving Mitchell from becoming an attack dog; but killing Wyndham before or after Eve's arrival was plain straightforward suicide. all the Barry vampires had to do was another 'arrest' raid and all was sorted. Makes no sense.
    Now, if Wyndham - willingly - TOLD George the secret of the WW blood, {for what reason: Vampire politics? Regus is a vampire with an agenda so far mysterious}
    It gives our couple a way to protect themselves and the baby: how ? WW blood is dangerous even when not in WW form! Now, it makes sense, the WW are protected: why. Because Wyndham and Regus are on teh same league: they want the saviour of the vampires to be born! and The Protector of their Saviour is Eve. Eve who is outside the wall around the vampires twins as a protection!

  • Comment number 65.

    If Wyndham gives that secret to protect - willingly- then why Wyndham is reported as dead. His clothes; they found his clothes. Melodramatically thrown in the garbage bin by George! while INSIDE the house Wyndham was putting on the left over clothes from Herrick? and we know from Mitchell that vampires may not recognize each other as in the Graham/Obsidian venture.
    Wyndham may even have conned george into killing him ... because he could not care less because he has a dark angel. And I doubt Herrick ever knew all what it is about dark angels...
    Wyndham's Wenches, lately known as Wyndham's Widows should call themselves Wyndham's Waitandsees...

  • Comment number 66.

    Oh look...his wee blue eyes just lit up...he's just off to annoy Herrick now...
    "You only made it to 190-ish, if you'd picked a sane heir, you'd still be breathing..."

  • Comment number 67.

    This breaks my heart in two.

  • Comment number 68.

    This is quite sad seeing as how it ends...

 

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