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THE BIG QUESTION: ARE ANNIE AND MITCHELL THE PERFECT COUPLE?

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Garret Keogh, Online Editor | 17:07 UK time, Friday, 27 March 2009

 

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New to BH? Watch out, this post contains spoilers from series one...

 

Ok, ok, I'm going to ask you the hugest question ever asked in the history of Being Human, but stay with me on this one...

 

Annie and Mitchell... are they the perfect couple?

 

Think about it.  They're both immortal so neither of them age... they've got a spark, we saw that in the accidental kissing moment... and it's much safer because Mitchell can't bite her and send her crazy like some people... *cough* Lauren *cough*

 

So, does it ruin everything or does it totally make sense?  And what would the implications be?  It's so huge... WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

 

Give us your thoughts and help us see sense...

 

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  • Comment number 1.

    No they aren't. I don't want them to get together.
    I just don't see them as equals and I think Annie deserves better than Mitchell. Plus Annie can't really jump into another r/ship without it all looking needy and desperate but I'm wiling to be convinced.

  • Comment number 2.

    NO NO NO!!!!
    They cannot be a couple. The three of our heroes are strong as one - we don't need a splinter group. However "sweet" they might look together let's not forget Mitchell is years older..I think his ideal woman would have to be more wordly and have been "damaged" by life in some way like Annie so they would have some connection - mortal or immortal although I love Annie. Annie has become tougher because of their experiences together but I see Mitchell with someone he needs emotionally rather than someone he has to protect.

  • Comment number 3.

    I could go on!

  • Comment number 4.

    they do have a spark but it would make things complecated and i think it would mess up the series if they did end up together

    not that i wouldnt be happy if they did i just dont think it would work in this show

  • Comment number 5.

    Barry - are you sat there twiddling your thumbs with a wry smile thinking I know what'll set the cat among the pigeons?!

  • Comment number 6.

    Same here: NO NO NO!!!

    There maybe attractions but they are friends before all, any romantic relationship would spoil it.
    You cannot stay as a couple FOREVER, what makes a romantic relationship work is that it will never last forever and therefore you cherish any moment with your partner, if it is forever FOREVER it will break down sooner or later...
    Call me cynical or pessimist but it is true we only cherish what we know we can lose otherwise we get blasé with it all.
    While a friendship can last forever, without the romantic attachment there is no jealousy no mistrust just something that normally develops bringing the two friends closer and closer something, in the long run (the FOREVER run) much more important than a romantic attachment!
    So please NO No NO!
    They may be great for a while but not forever!

  • Comment number 7.

    Come on Barry what else you got?

  • Comment number 8.

    While I can see other peoples points about how if Annie and Mitchell do get together then it could end badly, I do think that they should get together.
    They would be the perfect couple. They're both immortal so they could be together forever. They both care about each other a lot as has been shown a lot in the show. Added to that they would be such as sweet couple. Who didn't love the scene where they accidentally kissed?
    And like I said although I see the point that it could end badly, I think that it might not. When I broke up with my ex we had a bit of a rocky patch (which would be good drama for the show) which then ended up with us making up and going back to being friends. Annie and Mitchell's friendship is a strong and a beautiful thing that I don't think would be ended just because they have had a bad end to their relationship.

  • Comment number 9.

    i guess i'm the only one that would love to see something happen between them, i think they are perfect for eachother and both stunning

  • Comment number 10.

    @ Comment 5...

    drivingsuzanne, you know us here at the BH Blog just love to stir it up a bit sometimes!

  • Comment number 11.

    Oh dear, Barry. Did you not see the immense argument which occurred on a previous post re: this subject?! :-S stirring it up, indeed!

    I think I agree that Mitchell is too much trouble as a boyfriend for Annie and fits much better as a protective big brother type role. That's not to say there shouldn't be 'moments' but I am not sure it should ever actually happen between them.

  • Comment number 12.

    Yes yes yes yes, they so would!
    After they kissed I spent the whole of the series hoping things would happen between them.
    They're so perfect together =D
    Mitchell deserves to be happy after being alone for so long. Him and Annie getting together would make the series so much better then the utter brilliancy it is already.

  • Comment number 13.

    That wasn't an argument it was barely a disagreement. As I can't go to the cinema now (ill child) I want to see lots of posts to keep me entertained and if you feel like a scrap that'd be great too. :D

    I feel quite strongly that the most important type of relationships in your life will be with your close friends. If they remain like they were in season 1 I would be very happy. I don't mind tension but no kissing please.

    Now I'm typing in the dark, which means I have to get up. *sigh*

  • Comment number 14.

    In a word, YES!

    Personally, I felt that they were hints to the two of them being more than just friends during the first series...George talking about how Mitchell has become "attached" to Annie and does not want her to leave, for example.


    There is no denying they have a very close bond, and Aidan and Lenora have great chemistry together! I trust that it can be written into the show, in such a way that would make even the doubters and slashers love it.

    Then there is the fact that any possible relationship the could have stood in the way of Annie/Mitchell has now been terminated...

    Mitchell/Girl from the first episode - For a moment I thought that he was going to turn her and then she would be a possible love interest, but she died.

    Mitchell/Lauren - Who I guess would have been the most obvious choice for him, but he ends up staking her.

    Annie/Gilbert - He fell in love with her, but then passed on, so that was the end of that.

    Annie/Owen - He turns out to be an abusive, murderer.

    So really that just clears the way for Mitchell/Annie!

  • Comment number 15.

    YES! YES! YES! YES!
    I would love for them to be together - I do agree with other posters that they have a great friendship but I think they would be even better together as a couple!

  • Comment number 16.

    Absolutely! I have thought Annie/Mitchell would be a perfect couple since the pilot. They would be great together for all the reasons you listed, Barry! They need each other - Mitchell needs someone he can be with without worrying about killing her, and Annie needs to experience a true relationship. Who better to show her true love than Mitchell?? While I don't expect them to hope into bed in series two, I hope Toby will continue to build on their incredible chemistry.

  • Comment number 17.

    YES. I definitely think they'd make a great couple and have done since the second episode accidental kiss. I'd love to see this relationship develop further and know quite a lot of people in the fandom who do too :)

  • Comment number 18.

    I agree with Cieria and river7, I think that Mitchell and Annie would make a beautifully womantic couple. I'd love to see them get together. Like it says at the top, he would never be able to harm her and she would live forever with him. Also, most boy and girl friendships turn into something more serious in the end anyway, whether it's for a week or forever.
    I can understand other peopel's views though, the fact that Mitchell is very brotherly towards Annie makes it sweet and that it would seem wrong for that close friendship to be ruined by love, but I do think them two together would make the perfect couple. (:

  • Comment number 19.

    Ahem.. *romantic. tehe xD

  • Comment number 20.

    I had a little scenario in my head about Mitchell's love interest a little while ago before Herrick's demise.

    Here goes .. it might sound a Little mad out in the open.

    I saw a woman possibly late 30s very attractive, sophisticated inevitably with a bit of a past. I thought she could open a smart cafe/bistro place perhaps in the same streeet as the mini mart where Mitchell shops for milk etc. The place is just opening he goes in for "proper" coffee blah blah blah - friendship develops.

    Anyway she has 2 grown up sons one at uni the other on a gap year travelling -and she's widowed. To cut a long story short they start a relationship but one evening Mitchell sees Herrick leaving her place...
    He confronts her and she tells her dark secret..her husband served as a policeman with Herrick many years ago when her sons were small. She once walked in on her husband abusing the eldest boy and Herrick came to the rescue by "disposing" of her husband - definitely not recruiting him as a vampire just a death. We see a human side of Herrick maybe he was a little bit in love not sure.

    Anyway Herrick remains a presence in her and the boys' lives (nothing sexual) but something positive. Herrick confides in her (I think) therefore she has this guilty secret (the fact that this was happeining to her son) without her knowing plus she has the burden about knowing about what happened to her husbansd at the hand of the vampires. (Obviously Mitchell is not privvy to this as this was when he was estranged.

    So Herrick pays her a visit as he finds out about her and Mitchell's relationship and he wants revenge..he wants to recruit the eldest son whom he "rescued" all those years ago. But what we'll never know is whether that was always his dasardly plan or whether he wants to spite Mitchell.

    It's all academic now of course but it was an enjoyable fantasy at the time...

  • Comment number 21.

    Aidan Turner stalker- Doesn't it seem really dull though?

  • Comment number 22.

    They may be, but DO NOT PUT THEM TOGETHER ROMANTICALLY.

    Every show in the history of television is RUINED when characters that the audience wants to get together finally get together. The only way to do it properly would be like The Office (UK) where Jim & Dawn finally get together...IN THE FINAL 10 MINUTES OF THE SERIES -- no chance to screw it up or change the characters.

    Otherwise, we have to get stuck with "couples drama," which ruins at least one, if not both characters, and KILLS any comedic potential.

    So, have the build up to a romance, but never, ever have the payoff until the end of the series.

  • Comment number 23.

    a while ago i would have said yes. but now- No. i think their relationship is more brother/sister.

  • Comment number 24.

    Plus, what would happen to our beloved George?

    Annie bugs the heck out of George and we don't need Mitchell to snap at George for complaining about Annie.

    George needs them too, he doesn't need to be relegated to third wheel status.

    I think an Annie-Mitchell relationship and possible reprocussions of it would crush George emotionally.

    George needs the other 2 so that he has a support group that can relate to being a supernatural entity.

    I could actually see some sort of chemistry between George and Annie (we all know, they bicker, they get on each other's nerves, so they're intrigued). But I do not want that to happen either. No romantic ties between any of the 3, just the hint of it.

  • Comment number 25.

    FWIW, though I completely see and agree with your points, Mr Blogmeister sir, I agree with katy1984 and Grygazol - unresolved sexual tension (UST) makes for good drama; anything more would probably ruin it (you lose the tension).

    I also agree with Sperkii - 'moments' as we've already seen would still be good (helping along the UST ;-)), but then again we've had 'moments' with Mitchell/George too (the sofa, anyone?), which as far as I'm concerned are equally (if not more) cool. ;-)

  • Comment number 26.

    I think they're sweet together and yes, it has potential but NOT YET. I just feel like both characters need to have more adventures/change a bit and just maybe then they can end up together in the last ever episode. Personally, I find the whole will-they-won't-they thing more interesting than if they just got together now.
    Actually I know I'm going to get flamed for this but I see just as much chemistry/potential between Mitchell and George as I do between Mitchell and Annie. But either way I think making the relationship explicit/canon takes the magic out of it although that's just my opinion

  • Comment number 27.

    No! No! No! No! No! No! No!
    how many no's do you want? I love them both, and I think the hints in the last series were great but that's all it should be. They've got to stay as a threesome, all equal and working together for BH to work as well as it does. Who was it said maybe in the last eopisode EVER of the show we could see the start of something but not until then. NO NO NO NO definitely NO

  • Comment number 28.

    see? jaynedoll sez last episode too!

  • Comment number 29.

    OK my comparison would be Dr. Who and his various companions but particularly Rose. yes, he loves some of them and some of them love him but what makes it great is the unresolved sexual tension and epic the-love-that-cannot-be. Trust me, if he'd been with her as a lover/partner right from the start and it was shown in the series it wouldn't have been the same. It only worked when right at the end she got a different version of him and was basically sent back to her parallel universe never to be seen again (or at least until the next Xmas special when they need a ratings boost).

  • Comment number 30.

    I can't believe there's so much hate for annie/mitchell coupledom!!

    I think they'd make a fantastic couple, they have a real connection that I think goes beyond age and background etc. They need each other and I think becoming a couple would be the next natural step, and ultimately make them fit in a world where they don't really belong, but they could belong to each other (and of course George who is like a brother to both)

    I don't think it would make it dull, there are plenty of ways to make a couple work if written well. And the fact that they are an "odd couple" works in their favour for those purposes, as you can throw loads of miserable and difficult situations at them to keep the naysayers happy too ;)

  • Comment number 31.

    I'm going with a very big yes on this. Doesn't have to be straightforward, can't imagine it being boring given good writing (and let's face it, the writing hasn't exactly been a let down so far!!)

    It would be much more interesting to me than introducing other love interests for Mitchell or Annie, and there's just so many lovely little snippets about love and redemption in their relationship already onscreen.

    So yes, please.

  • Comment number 32.

    Having read all the comments now, I agree that UST is by far the best way to do it. I rather like the idea of them sharing a moment that was a bit more than the accidental kiss, and then spending ages dancing round the topic.

    Throw in some actual peril for Annie, and have some of the UST fly over George's head, and I think that's really workable.

    I mean, they shouldn't be cosy. I love the idea of Mitchell/Annie, but it shouldn't be something out of a Hugh Grant movie.

  • Comment number 33.

    i like them both and i think they could work as friends and as a couple. i think they would be really cute for a while and i would like to see that, but then i think they should realise they are better as friends/ big brother types as Mitchell is so protective of her, and she idolises him so. Basically a short answer would have been, cute for a bit- like a fling, but long term i think probably not! Mitchell needs a nice vampire! or werewolf!! that would be an interesting twist! :P

  • Comment number 34.

    Dude, they SOOOOOOOOOOOO belong together, I don't understand why people are so against it!

    Being human means experiencing human emotions...and although they really weren't "human" this past season, they still felt raw human emotions: fear, anger, happiness, etc.

    George has Nina, but who can Mitchell and Annie turn to? I think they honestly deserve each other.

    I'd be so disappointed if they didn't end up together.

  • Comment number 35.

    @such_jaunt
    it is not hate towards their possible relationship, it's just that the "no peope" can see that their relationship would mare the trio's dynamic.
    I agree that Mitchell is far too much like a protectivve older brother to her (and even George).
    Moreover the possible UST between them is far more ineresting!
    If you wnat "couple tension / drama", I think Joss Whedon did the right thing in his series Firefly by having an already set up married couple from the start (Wash and Zoe), this was interesting to see!

  • Comment number 36.

    I wonder if the no and yes for Mitchell / Annie couple is an age thing...
    I am on the "no" side and I am over 35...
    you?

  • Comment number 37.

    Maybe I'm old, I'm 27.
    I just don't think r/ships are that interesting, I don't think they are suited, I wouldn't like the fact that Annie would be shown as a woman who just goes from r/ship to r/ship.
    And the trio would be damaged.
    But mostly it's just dull.

  • Comment number 38.

    I'm 32. And I'm a yes, but string it out, will they/won't they style.

  • Comment number 39.

    I kind of think that if the writers did write in a good build up to it, it would be really interesting to watch michell and annie start a relationship and muddle through - I don't think that george would ever be pushed out - their friendship is too strong.

    I didn't really see her as needy or always depending on men, I just thought she was lost after spending a long time alone and was looking for guidence and it hapened that mitchell, gilbert etc. could give her that.

  • Comment number 40.

    im 25 and im leaning toward no

  • Comment number 41.

    I'm 24 and would love the whole will they/wont they as long as they did in the end :-)

  • Comment number 42.

    NONONONONO!

    Why is it that when you have two characters that people like, there are always so many who want them to pair up and turn the show into a domestic soap opera.

    There's more than enough of that sort of crap on the telly already.

    Please keep the three-way friendship intact - it's beautifully, mutually supportive and the dynamic would be totally spoiled if it was a couple and a "gooseberry"!

  • Comment number 43.

    Barry, have you been reading Mitchell/Annie fanfiction?XD

    I don't really mind, they are a nice couple but I don't know. I would think they would be a lovely couple personally, but would it not make it, well, awkward.

  • Comment number 44.

    oh my god you asked the question.

    I love you more than ever before barry.

    As much as i respect everyone's opinion, they're wrong.

    Don't. Listen. To. Them!!


    I think their love of the show as it was in season 1 is clouding their judgment!!

    TV is not like film. It's not a neat single-arc story. It HAS to evolve.

    Characters HAVE to change.. relationships have to develop.

    And like it or not, the precious dynamic will have to alter.. Toby's clearly plannign to change things somewhat next series: he has warned they will be driven apart!

    And to me, the eventual, logical conclusion to these characters is that they end up together.

    I will explain more in abit. Have to go away now...

    But i'll just say thankyouthankyouthankyou for bringing this up.

    The only thing that worries me is there has not been much positive fan talk about this issue.. and i'm wondering if you're bringing it up because the writers WERE planning to get them together and are now rethinking based on fan-response.

    The show must stay true to itself and to its characters. Not pander to what the general audience thinks it wants. Do what you intended to do and the fans will respect that (or they should at least!)

    I'll still love the show if it doesn't happen, as long as i think it has stayed true to its characters and good reasons are made obvious for it not happening.

    To me, it's perfect symmetry. But i'll expand on that in a little bit.

    Over and out xx

  • Comment number 45.

    I find it annoying when the suggestion is that you have to be young and presumably imature to want to see two people in a romantic relationship (says an older someone).As if it's not an entirely normal human experience to want to be with someone! I love the spark and the chemistry between Annie and Mitchell but also I love what they can offer to each other. People say it would affect the three of them if they were in a relationship but seemt to forget that George is already with someone. Also the current dynamics aren't straightforward, it seems to me that George felt Annie to be the third wheel from day 1 and it's obvious that Annie feels more drawn to Mitchell but given that the dynamics work just fine for the three of them. Bring on the relationship I say but do it slowly and carefully.

  • Comment number 46.

    ok i don't know why we're saying ages but i'll give mine anyway. 21.

    but i'm an old 21!!

    i think everyone loves the trio so much they've forgotten this a tv show.. it needs story, it needs conflict, it needs drama, angst and yes, yes, yes, it needs romance!

    And people are resisting what is right in front of their faces because they don't want it all to go horribly wrong and ruin the 'dynamic.'

    i think this is a testament to how beautiful the annie-mitchell relship is even just as a friendship.. it's so good that people want to protect it at all costs.. even sacrificing the chance at something better!

    Yes.. it could go wrong.. romance is intense, it goes wrong. But sadly, that's life. Any romance that does not come out of a potentially beautiful friendship is going to be crap in my opinion. How can they be 'too good' to be lovers? That's insane!!! That suggests their lovers should be less important than their friends. Nope. sorry. not right. (if someone quotes bros before hos i will smack them)


    ok, so the risk is worth it on a character level because you don't find true lvoe playing safe.

    Now in terms of TV, like i said earlier, you cant have a single neat story arc. TV goes on a long time and things have to change.

    Yes they were all friends in series 1. But guys, no-one lives in a 3 people flatshare their whole lives. Things will have to change eventually... wouldn't you rather find out what happens next? And wouldn't you rather Annie and Mitchell get the best scenario possible?.. each other?

    Change is essential in TV. Risk is necessary. Evolution inevitable.

    oK so i've argued why the leap makes sense and why we shouldn't be afraid of change (i wonder if all this caution is a product of recent economic 'issues' and a growing sense of pessimism/conservatism.. hmm interesting)

    ..next.. the central issue.. i will try to explain why they ARE a perfect match.

    :)

  • Comment number 47.

    NO!

    Barry you naughty naughty boy! you know whatll cause a row dont you lol

    See your last big queston page for all of our opinions/rants/major arguement lol

    Personally I think - bad idea and dont think itd work for the show Mitchell in a relationship is too tame - Mitchells not containable hes a constant struggle - george is opposite we want him to be "tamed" lol Annie deserves better than the Mitchell we know and love and we dont want him to change and no matter what hed have to - for her to have him hed have to calm down and behave himself and that just wouldnt work.

    however - ive said it before and ill say it again - i bave faith in toby and if he thinks itll work and thats the way he wants to take the show then im willing to be convinced - but itll take a lot!

  • Comment number 48.

    Annie has confidence now she has self respect that is waht weve seen. Weve also seen that mitchell is constantly struggling and completely volatile - now think this through guys the 2 dont go together - annie will not start something with him as she is now - she has too much strength too much self respect - shes built that up over the whole first series now thres no way that she would star anything with him unless hie changes - which weve been shown he cnat (or at least he cant right now)
    s one of the characters is gonna have to change? so either something happens to annie and she loses the plot again lol in which case she may go to mitchell cry on his shoulder and one thing leads to another - or else mitchell manages to control himself and over time perhaps - maybe it could work but certainly i dont think this series- perhaps cliffhanger for end of series 2? now that would be nasty lol

    Maybe in time but no yet itll take a lot of good writing - a lot of changing the way the characters are seen etc etc etc :-S again - lots of convincing to be done lol

  • Comment number 49.

    SharontheHarper i don't want them together just because i like both of them.. i like barack obama and i like germaine greer but... hhurrrrghuurrghurghurghugh....

    They are a great. great. match.

    Ok let's go with the beauty of them on paper...

    on paper, mitchell is a dark creature trying to escape into an innocent life...


    annie is an innocent trying to survive in a dark world.


    mitchell has confidence, Annie does not.

    Annie has innocence, mitchell does not.

    Mitchell is trapped in a predominantly physical existence, Annie in a predominantly spiritual one. Mitchell is too far from Heaven and Annie is too close. Doesn't it make sense that they meet in the middle?

    Never has the yin and yang symbol been so perfectly embodied in a potential romanctic pairing!!!

    For Mitchell, Annie represents a redemption, a reclaiming of innocence and goodness, of love and nurture.

    For Annie, Mitchell represents hope of a continued existence, of new experiences, of seeing more of the world than she was able to in life. He represents the chance for her to grow beyond the dependent and naive girl she was in life.. the victim.. into a strong woman!!

    They can both do this without the other, but the fact that they are on individual journeys that seem to lead to where the other one is, romantic union seems like the perfect conclusion...

    Not to mention the immortality, the lack of blood-drinking risk..

    Ok so on paper they make sense.



  • Comment number 50.

    Bexter i appreciate the forum i like you and you have lots of grea points but seriously?! lol your talking out your ... ahem moderators lol annie does have confidence now?! thats why she can be seen thats what her story has been about the whole series - her gaining confidence etc?

  • Comment number 51.

    "romantic union seems the perfect conclusion"

    Do we really want perfect conclusion? I dont - lovely and awwwww - yes. Good tele - No.

    Again - willing to be convinced i guess i never say never

  • Comment number 52.

    When you look at the two on paper it looks neat and sweet and logical..

    but when you see them in person it goes to a whole new level of adorable!

    the kiss is just the tip of the iceberg..

    there's the watching him sleep in ep 1, the comforting after tully's attack, confronting tully on annie's behalf and comforting her with the snowstorm (what?! it's a snow-globe guys!! sorry, sidenote) in ep 2, there's the concern for her uncoveirng dark things and then the sympathy for her when she does (plus forehead kiss!) in ep 3, there's the distance in ep.5 where Annie, left without Mitchell's support, decides to act malevolently and haunt owen and ends up crushed by his lack of remorse/fear, followed by mitchell's heartwarming return to the group, followed by super-painful slightly flirty goodbyes, followed by annie turning down peace and eternal rest for him!!, then ep 6 annie unwilling to accept mitchell's need to deal witht he vampire thing alone, mitchell trying to talk annie into letting go of him by bringing his murderous past to her attention (dear lord, the angst!) followed by tearful hugging :)

    these are but a few wonderful moments!

    There is so much that is different about mitchell and annie in the 'big ways'.. but when together, they are like two peas in a pod, laughing and giggling together, making fun of george, understanding each other without a word being said, knowing what the other needs (be it teas or hugs or a ghosty friend)

    they just instinctively go well together. And yes you could write that off as a good friendship.. except.. on no, you can't! because their is tenderness and angst and ALL THE DAMN CHEMISTRY!!


  • Comment number 53.

    eagle couple quick responses..
    i say conclusion because i think the romance would be better towards the end as a happy ever after (whether they get it or not is another matter...)

    and yes annie does have more confidence now.. that's part of her story arc..

    my description of them on paper was to capture their story arcs and show how they are complementary.

    i don't believe annie is incapable of building confidence without mitchell. she has done so much already.. i just think mitchell is ideal SUPPORT for that process (e.g. the last thing he says to her in series 1 : 'they should make an action figure out of you' - PERFECTLY capturing her emotional journey, taking pride in how far she's come, knowing exactly how much it means to her)

  • Comment number 54.

    i think what would make great telly is all the obstacles troubles along the way to them getting together.. but i would like stronger hints and flirtations along the way!!

    i agree happy ever after romance before the end sucks. i dont want them getting together next episode! i just want it to be working towards it!!

  • Comment number 55.

    i don't want to see it. as much as i think they are cute an' all i think it would upset the balance of the house.

  • Comment number 56.

    lol ok i think i got it all out.

    I have to write a lot because it seems i am a one-woman shipping campaign...

    i never thought it would happen to me but someone's got to defend this potentially beautiful love story!!

    anyway hope no-one (eagle ahem!) holds my opinion against me. There's so much to this show and i love everything about it and even if annie passes on (ugh, predictable!) and mitchell ends up staked for the greater good and somehow manages ot go to heaven (bleuuuurrrrgh!) i'll still lvoe it if it's done in that wonderfully humourous and poignant being-human way.

    but to be honest anyone 'curing' their supernatural issue is to me a cop-out.. i think this show is about adapting around your darker elements, accepting them and growing as a person..

    anywho!!

    im quite tired now but will keep trying to defend my views if people wanna ask more questions feel free :)

  • Comment number 57.

    Oh i dont have the energy just watched next clip again and that image of mitchell has just ruined any just blah any intelligence i had has just melted lol

    Were never gonna agree Bexter - i may argue with you another day when i have more mental...capacity? words? please - theyve all fallen out of my head lol oh dear oh dear oh dear

  • Comment number 58.

    yet another person afraid of 'upsetting the balance' .. i respect people's concern but i think people love this show and the characters so much they can't actually bear the thought of any more drama!

    something has to happen guys! Stories are all about balances being upset!!

  • Comment number 59.

    lol i agree with you there eagle. That mitchell clip is a brain-melter!!

  • Comment number 60.

    im happy to agree to disagree. I just wanna make sure my side of things is properly explained to everyone :)

    Never mind eagle, let's just avoid this subject in each other's presence and im sure we can stay friends!!

  • Comment number 61.

    oh also just have to vehemently deny the claim that mitchell isn't 'good' enough for annie. I bloody hate that statement.

    Mitchell's arc is about overcoming the terrible curse that has poisoned his good nature.. and slowly recaliming that good, noble human person that he has the ability to be.

    The sacrifices he makes, the effort he puts into being good EVERY DAY is more than most people have to make in their LIFE. I think he is a real inspiration.

    And on the smaller scale, his good-natured, sociable ways, his humour and his attentive care for both his friends is just heart-warming.

    His supportive, understanding and protective love for Annie is just about the goddam best thing she could hope for. And yes, damn right she'll have to be strong enough to deal with his issues too.. but that's what relationships are about.. MUTUAL support, accepting each other's bagagge. It's not for the man to take on all the strain and the girl to just laze around under the protection of prince charming..., ANnie is capable of more than that.

    phhhhheewwwww. ok. Sorry if that sounded angry. Not angry at anyone. Except the WORLD for making me the ONLY person who is passionately pro-this pairing!!

  • Comment number 62.

    I know that phrase isnt great but i think what is meant is that annie has too much self respect and confidence in herself now to start something with mitchell whilst hes so...flawed? Again bad turn of phrase but you know what i mean - god knows he has issues lol and as ive said before in my annie meeting a ghost victim of mitchells idea post - she may very well see how similar he is to owen - yes hes much better yes he has remorse etc and yes i have great symoathy and respect almost for the vampires but hes still a murderer hes still killed women hes killed his lovers and god knows what/who else.
    Does she really need someone else like that?

    Ok so thats what i think is meant by that comment anyway lol its certainly what i meant by it...

  • Comment number 63.

    ok also. If anyone wants to move past the point of point-blank denying it to maybe just HYPOTHETICALLY considering it... what do you think the blood situation would be? In fact the whole physical situation is intriguing.. like... how physcially present can annie be?

    we know she can make tea, and boiled ham and parsley sauce,, kick shins, kiss, be pinched by tully...

    but can she do more than that, if ya know what i mean. Kinda cruel if she can't!!


    And even though it wouldn't be real blood, would she not be able to replicate bleeding? I mean.. she can presumably replicate things like blushing.. which involves the rushing of blood to the face.. so what does it matter if that happens under the skin or above it? Intriguing...

    And if she did have ghost blood, what would drinking it be like for a vampire? Bland? Magical? Deadly?

    interesting...

  • Comment number 64.

    I agree on somethings though - yes hes protective yes hes a lovely guy yes theres chemistry yes yes yes lol and also i think he realy does love her but that doesnt really mean they have to/should get together does it?! at least not yet.

    And people keep saying theyre both immortal? No they arent theyre both dead lol and annie will go eventually and should go - i guess thatd make for good conflict - go and leave the bloke sje loves - get her "ending" or stay indefinately. I guess it could possibly work...maybe.

    I dunno just doesnt feel right - i dont want everyone paired off - can we not have a program not revolving around sex? can we not have happy healthy relationships without them being "relationships" lol as in "boyfriends and girlfriends" :-S

    sorry but the whole thing seems a bit playground and a bit soap :-S i dunno just doesnt fit in my head .... maybe in toby land it does lol

  • Comment number 65.

    I thought that about the blood but didnt post cos i thought people may think i was mental lol

    She can cry...

  • Comment number 66.

    eagle i think mitchell is only like owen in a very basic way.. just because two people both shop at waitrose doens't make them anything alike..

    ok murder and shopping at waitrose that's a bad analogy but im leaving it in because it amuses me lol.

    my point is havign murdered doesn't make two people alike.. there are every different murderers in the world..

    for owen it was about spite, control, power, ego,

    for mitchell it was about need for blood, and a little bit of fitting in/pleasing herrick (or i get that impression from his stories)

    owen's flaws are deep-seated and amount to a truly awful character (ironically for a supernatural show-viewer, i dont believe in evil, but i think he's as nasty as they come)

    mitchell's are 1) not his fault and 2) he regrets them. big difference.

    in conclusion mitchell and owen are nothign alike and annie's relationships with the two of them are nothign alike either. in my opinion.

    and again i think we're underestimating annie by saying she cant deal with someone witht heir own problems/flaws. relationships are about give and take. Surely if she loves the person, she should want to help them with their flaws? And if she's building confidence/growing.. she shouldn't be too weak to deal with it...

  • Comment number 67.

    oh good point about the crying eagle. I think this is a really interesting thing..

    i can see the ghost-blood thing going either way..


    it could be that vampires would hate it because it's you know.. not real blood.. doesn't contain a physical life force.. or something..


    but it could be they like it more because it's purer (more of that reclaimed innocence lauren mentioned) .. the physical aspect of blood isnt what matters, because bagged blood is useless. it's the drinking of the PERSON that seems to matter.. before the soul leaves the body.. so body without the soul is useless... but would soul without body be useless? or ideal?


    intriguing...

  • Comment number 68.

    Yes i know! lol which is why i said yes they are completely different and i understand that we all do its simple but to ANNIE it might not be?! Im on about her thought processes not mine lol

    Like i said i understand the vampire mentality probably more than the average person does lol and mitchell isnt even on the same level as owen (now the others...cold blooded murder but - better lol but still evil but mitchell no)

    You're not getting my drift at all are you lol

  • Comment number 69.

    Re bleeding - Mitchell said in the pilot that hed seen ghost before- but never so solid?

    Not sure if that would mean anything here?

    Not sure she could bleed though thinking abuout it - she cant drink it just goes straight through her as such lol so shes kinda - empty? i dunno.

    As much as i hate to suggest the fact - i think maybe the writers didnt put as much thought into ghost lore as they did vampire lore? :-S she can carry casserole dishes and wash up? (surely the water would go straight thruogh her hands or something?) actually that mabe wouldnt matter as long sait didnt go through the pots lol oh i dunno its all very confusing :-S

  • Comment number 70.

    BTW bexter im on forum at minute :-)

  • Comment number 71.

    i agree eagle i think they maybe havent thought it though... assuming ghosts are simpler!! deary me..

    ok my theory is as follows: i think she can have a physical presence, influence/touch/move other things. She can also have physical experience - all 5 senses will work when she's confident enough.. mmm acutally not sure on taste and smell but we'll see


    but she cannot absorb things from physical world... so she cant digest food, cant get tattoos, cant catch a cold.. anything that involves something becoming a physical part of her isnt possible.. but contact/impact/sensation is possible.

  • Comment number 72.

    lol im hopping between forum and here too!!

    tell me what you think about my succubus plan!!

    oo iv gotta create my music section soo too. Great suggestion eagle!!


    oh yeah and with owen-mitchell i so DO get what you mean.. like i mentioned in conjunction with the annie meeting a mitchell kill.. i thin she would at first have difficulty differentiating him and owen in her mind... because of her own experiences..


    but i think this would just be an obstacle rather than a deal-breaker. because obviously that view is not the reality, and so annie over-coming that p.o.v. and recognising mitchell's goodness/ being able to have a friendship (or more) that is not dependent and submissive like it was with owen.. would be part of her growth.




  • Comment number 73.

    re: post 71 : thought it through *

  • Comment number 74.

    I agree on somethings though - yes hes protective yes hes a lovely guy yes theres chemistry yes yes yes lol and also i think he realy does love her but that doesnt really mean they have to/should get together does it?! at least not yet.


    ... if that's your opinion eagle i can live with it!!


    i agree now WOULD be too soon. not yet!!

    but eventually? or at least more flirtting/possibility hinted at? yes...

  • Comment number 75.

    OK right - reasons it wouldnt work out lol not reasons it shouldnt be in the show but reasons it wouldnt work if it was real:

    Thing is "obstacles" that make normal relationships stronger and that normal couples can overcome and make the relationship stronger is a lot harder takling about Mitchell and Annie - ok even if we forget the supernatural thing completely - first and foremost they live together which even in humans going from housemates to more is just...no believe me it rarely works lol.
    Also like i said obstacles normal people can overcome - Annie cant necessarily do? After all shes only visible and "solid" when she has confidence and is happy - if her and mitchell get together and george is with nina then chances are tehyre gonna split off a bit - yes theyll still be friends im sure but they wont be each others soul purpose for being anymore yes? Mitchell becomes Annies reason for being - ok normal break up - that breaks your world its devestating - with annie - if she loses her reason for being then thats it - what happens? she goes to smoke...

    But actually that may make for a good story lol
    But like i said thats your reason for them not to be together not for not puting it in the show :-)

  • Comment number 76.

    i agree eagle, it's very precarious.. which is why i wouldn't want them to get together unless it was for good really...

    i thinnk that's another obstacle..they'd avoid acknowledging the romance themselves because they KNOW all the risks and pitfalls that come with it..

    but then the whole point of being human is they all have to deal with much bigger problems.. work much harder to ahve a normal life.. than us at home... that's why they're on tv and we're not! that's why they are our heroes and heroines! they achieve incredible things :)


    and i kinda like that romantic idea that as soon as mitchell died annie would pass on too.. 'go to smoke' in a similar way to how a vampire dissolves...

    like it a lot..


    actually that just made me think of the amber spyglass in his dark materials at the very end when will and lyra are split up and they talk about being reunited when they die and i think lyra says 'and all the lyra particles will float between the universes and join up with all the will particles for ever and ever and ever'.. which was one of the loveliest ideas id heard in my life at the time i read it!! awwwww...

  • Comment number 77.

    and i dont mean that in a horrible dependent way like annie would have no life at all without mitchell.. i just mean they'd both have lived a long long time ('lived' in the loose sense!) and it would just be the right time for them both... like old couples who die on the same day!

  • Comment number 78.

    Lol yes I actually quite liked the idea once id written that lol and kinda wanna write it now see how itd pan out....(very rarely the way i intended :-S lol) god i wish i had more time :-( Toby you lucky lucky....damn moderators lol. Actually saying that Im not sure id like to write for a living - dont really liek people reading something ive written properly lol mind you if i was any good i might not mind :-)

    Yeah I guess the answer is just that I dont know but DEFINATELY not yet - if you guys must have it happen this series then i think a cliffhanger of will they wont they end of series 2 is the soonest - but that really is far too sitcom lol (well modern sitcom - sitcoms should return to the equilibrium etc etc but they dont anymore which is kinda sad really...)

    God I just cant stay on topic Im useless. I think I might give up on the blog :-S just watch videos give up on commenting.

  • Comment number 79.

    Ahem.....this question has opened pandora's box hasn't it XD LOL

  • Comment number 80.

    @Lionskeeper


    im actually grateful there's an arena to discuss this and only this in.. so i can present my views and discuss and explain them to alllll the naysayers lol!

    i don't mind people disagreeing with me, but i would like to be able to discuss/defend my pov and have a bit more conversation about it :)

    god bless barry for giving me that opportunity.

  • Comment number 81.

    and also it gave me a BIG thrill to find out it's not allll in my head.. the people involved with the show are at least THINKING about it.. even if they aren't planning on making it happen.

    Yay for that.

  • Comment number 82.

    I think they'll make a good couple, but it might not be good for the show. We can all see how the relationship would probably end.

  • Comment number 83.

    Plus, its a tad bit obvious.

  • Comment number 84.

    Wow you guys think a lot.

    Love eagles swinging handbag moment at bex lol.

    I really don't need to go that in-depth to see why it wouldn't work-

    For them to remain in a r/ship Mitch would have to be good (dull, dull, dull).

    Annie would probably become dutiful and cut short her blossoming confidence (even more dull).

    How long are they supposed to be together for? Imagine being in a r/ship with someone for 1000 years. Awful, awful thought.

    They house share. :s

    If you imagine this in a real life house share situation then they'd probably sleep together and then feel uncomfortable forever more. Hey THAT could work in the story.


    BUT I do love the caring and passion they have for each other. But I have this for a couple of my friends and I definitely don't want to sleep with any of them, yuk.
    Oh and I know r/ships are more than just sex before someone starts.

  • Comment number 85.

    The perfect couple? Ba-pssch.

    An acceptable couple, perhaps, but Grygazol made the best point. Not only would it distance George from Mitchell and Annie, but also, Mitchell and Annie would never be able to go back to before.

  • Comment number 86.

    I have to admit Bexter, you are starting to convince me BUT as far as the series goes, I would still prefer them actually getting together properly (if it's going to work out) to come as the culmination of a lot more angst/will-they-won't-they/unresolved sexual tension/character development.
    No, I don't hate the idea of them being a couple, I just prefer it to come at the end (if it's going to happen) if anything that's because I love both characters so much and want them to live happily ever after.

  • Comment number 87.

    Why does everyone want them to live happily ever after? If you remove the angst, pain and loneliness then your left with a very flat story.

  • Comment number 88.

    Re: Annie's physical nature, I'm reading it as her being energy, like she's a forcefield of sorts. So she can move things about, and she can be hugged because she wants to be and so on.

    She can't drink because that's like trying to pour water into a magnetic field - it's just meaningless, there's nothing to contain it in, but that doesn't mean the magnetic field can't affect other things.



  • Comment number 89.

    oh no, not happily ever after - just lots of sparky sexual tension, and another layer of angst to keep fanfic bunnies happy for decades... :-D

  • Comment number 90.

    I think that the whole Annie/Mitchell thing should stay as it is, it's better when you watch the 'are they aren't they' bits, that whole leave us guessing on the what ifs is better than a storyline trying to convince us they could ever work as a couple. Their playful flirting is what makes them so good to watch, and the series is about the three house mates, not a focus on two of them.

  • Comment number 91.

    Mitchell and Annie are SO the perfect couple! They MUST get together next season, pretty pretty please!

  • Comment number 92.

    Lol Superochre that made me laugh you managed to explain what i was saying much more succinctly lol

    Oh and I agree - happily ever after would be nice at the very very end but not if theres any chance of the show continuing - pairing everyone off is just no no no lol

  • Comment number 93.

    Yes they do make a perfect couple and I would love to see them get together.

    However, to get them together I think to do this you need to drag it out a bit and add some moments of Mitchell/Annie-ness, like in series 1 but a little more intense. You don't want to force it just build it up ne? ^__^

    BUT then in the end they GET together! Also it would be interesting to explore things about limitations and extents that a ghost has, well more so about Annie now that she isn’t quite like a ghost but very different to one, in a relationship or something like it.

    So yes all aboard the Mitchell/Annie ship!!

    ~Neverwinter

  • Comment number 94.

    OK yeah exploring the limits of vamp and ghost r/ships could be interesting/funny a bit like Pushing Daisies where they can't touch each other.

  • Comment number 95.

    They are the best of friends closer than close and please don't do what so much tv and film does these days and add sex.
    Not that sex is bad, but the idea that guys and girls can't have an intense, close and tactile relationship without it being about sex is getting ridiculous.

    I love their relationship as a sort of sibling byplay but would really hate to see them become a couple.

  • Comment number 96.

    I don't see them at all as brother and sister - they are way too flirty for that to be put across :(

    I would love for them to be a couple I think they are perfect for eachother!

  • Comment number 97.

    "the idea that guys and girls can't have an intense, close and tactile relationship without it being about sex is getting ridiculous."

    I second that. Anyone else?

  • Comment number 98.

    sorry that quote was from 95. lorrabe.

  • Comment number 99.

    Clearly i would be his perfect match :)

    But i think it could work tbh but i think george would feel a bit left out and it could also ruin mitchell :S x

  • Comment number 100.

    well i'm glad i've at least managed to get some admissions of ambivalence from people who were previously dead set against it...


    superochre i don't see how annie would return to her old self with mitchell... they are as close as a relationship anyway.. why would physical intimacy make annie lose all her confidence and return to how she was with owen?? I highly doubt mitchell would want to let that happen...

    surely the danger of annie becoming weak and submissive is there with ANY potential romantic pairing? Surely that's a challeneg she'll have to face... why not do it with the guy she's best suited to?

    now the mitchell becoming good and therfore boring is a better point..

    i agree.. mitchell's conflict rests on him battling with his dark side.. and he can't be 'domesticised' like a human can...

    but then.. annie is not ever going to be a straightforward homemaker either.. she's not just built confidence this series.. she's developed as a supernatural too.. she has a dark vengeful side that has so far been used for good.. but as she said in ep 6 ... her murder.. the dark side of her.. cannot be held separate from the rest of her.. (this is the theme of all 3 mains.. in fact nina too if you think about it.. in fact the whole show!.. Annie is no exception)

    so they will BOTH be battling with dark instincts from now on..


    however i still think yeah once they got together that would only work as a kind of happy ending..

    which is why i agree with everyone saying this should not happen straight away.. and really would work best at the end..


    what i would like on the way is hinting, flirting.. maybe a get together then a fall apart.. angst.. etc!! i can see them getting together for a bit and then all their problems mounting up and mitchell making the decision that annie deserves better (which i think nooonsense by the way) and ending it.. and that sending mitchell on a self-destructive path while annie proves she can be strong/look after herself with or without him but still waiting for him to come back around... yeah i can see that.

    ...and im not talking about the everyday kiss-date-love-marry structure of normal romance.. im talking about big sweeping angsty cinematic looooove!!

    lol.

    that really should be able to overcome the issue of them living together...

    but i agree, their getting together then it not working out WOULD cause awkwardness in the flat.. and i'd LOVE to see that!!




 

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