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Genesis: Reunion "has been on the cards for the last two years"

Following a 50-date world tour in June the reunited Genesis are now releasing a live album called Live Over Europe on 26 November. Long-time fan and BBC Berkshire presenter Phil Kennedy chats to Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks.

Today: Mike, Phil 'n' Tony

Today: Mike, Phil 'n' Tony

Listen to the full interview here or read extracts below:

How did the conversation go, who tried to convince Phil to come back or was it him that said 'I really fancy doing a European tour or a world tour' or did you say 'come on Phil it's about time we did something'?

(MR: Mike Rutherford and TR: Tony Banks)

"I think the combination of the people has always worked"

Mike Rutherford

MR: "To be honest it wasn't like that, I hadn't quite realised there's been quite a lot of stuff released in the last few years, box sets and compilations and I think Phil suggested that we should do something.

"But really this has been on the cards for the last two years as something that would be fun for us to do.

"That is simply the initial starting point and the timing came right in this time period.

"I think people imagine we didn't speak to each other for 12 years and then rang each other up and something happened.

"But we've seen each other quite a lot and have remained good friends so we're in contact all the time."

I was talking to Andy Summers (from The Police) earlier this year and it seems to be one of those years where everyone is getting back together - from Led Zeppelin to the Spice Girls. There are suddenly huge tours around the world and Andy Summers was saying it is great but halfway around the tour you get fed up with hotels.

TB: "I think for us it's not quite like that, we've always enjoyed the touring.

Genesis

Genesis

"We've purposefully kept this tour quite short so that we could still enjoy it.

"And at 25 shows in Europe and 25 in America we kept our interest really. We have a great time with each other, we get along as people and everything."

My brother went to see you at Wembley and said you were better than ever - do you think that was because it was fun and there was no pressure?

MR: "His cheque's in the post! No, I think a large part of our lives for the last 20 years has been playing live on stage and I think it's a craft you get good at and I think the combination of the people has always worked.

"There's no reason why it wouldn't work this time and I think in a funny way maybe you're conscious that there's been a long gap and you may not do this again. So you put a little more into it.

"The whole thing seemed quite special to us."

When Phil left and Ray Wilson came in you suddenly realised the personality of Phil Collins and some of the songs actually had Phil's personality. Ray is a great singer but something like 'Mama' was just Phil's song, or is that just a perception?

TB: "I think it's difficult to know because a song like Mama obviously depended a lot on Phil's vocal but I think Ray sang it very well.

"I think if the group had become established with that line up and had become well known it wouldn't have mattered in the same way.

"Phil has become the singer very effectivley on songs like In The Cage or I Know What I Like and I don't think anyone really worries about that too much really.

"I think it was just that it was a new person, with a slightly different personality and it took a bit of time but I think by the end of that tour we were really playing quite well and the sound was good."

Back then: Mike, Phil 'n' Tony

Back then: Mike, Phil 'n' Tony

When you set out to do something like this, the three of you, when you were writing together, was it a real partnership or did you say that the three of you would go off in separate corners and see what you come back with?

MR: "No, very much a partnership  especially in the last 20 years!

"Once we started doing solo stuff outside of the band you didn't feel you'd arrive with all your songs for that year and the only outlet was the band.

"So, for the last few albums we actually went in with nothing but a blank piece of paper and just jammed and improvised and what came out was just from three guys in a room playing together which not many bands do actually.

"I think it was quite edgy in a way but it always worked for us.

That first riff of I Can't Dance you can tell it's just someone playing with a guitar and then realising 'hold on we've got a song here'.

MR: "That's right! Half the charm is being able to find the ideas, the other half is being able to recognise them."

Genesis

Genesis: they can't dance

Tony, you always seem really relaxed - what is it really like on stage?

TB: "I would have thought I look anything but relaxed actually. It's an illusion, a total illusion! I'm not a very natural performer on stage so I tend to be fairly static and maybe you mistake that for relaxed.

"Fortunately I've had people with me who are very good visually such as Phil Collins, and previously Peter Gabriel, who can carry it through. But in terms of playing the music I'm confident with that, I feel I can do that job.

"But I think the way we write music the focus is very much on the vocals so that works well."

I saw a documentary about you in the 1970s and it showed the three of you travelling all around Germany, and actually you really had not made any money in the whole of the 70s. It really only kicked off in the 80s didn't it?

TB: "Well I suppose we broke even in about 1976/1977 just after Peter left, and when we had the hit single with Follow You, Follow Me we moved into a different area."

Did all the fans say you were selling out to pop?

TB: "Well of course they did! Some of the fans said that but it really didn't happen like that at all.

"We've really always tried to carry the two strings with us, we've just got much better at doing the commercial stuff over the years."

You've got the new album out now so what is the plan in 2008? What's next: more fun, more joy?

MR: "Well, there's a DVD coming out of the Rome show which was actually a very special show.

"It was a free show in the Circus Maximus in front of half a million people so it was a great way to end the tour.

"Beyond that we have no plans at the moment - but who knows? We'll see..."

last updated: 21/11/07

Have Your Say

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Pierre
A REALLY new album for 2008 please guys...

Ryan
I love Genesis. for the last 20 years it has been my ambition to see them live. I live in New Zealand and the only time they toured here was in 1986 and I was to young to go. But once the news about the reunion tour came up I had to go to a concert. No matter where it was. I went to Los Angeles and was at the first concert at the Hollywood Bowl and my dream came true!

micho
Bob,I agree with you ...they are the best band ever.But a ranking did in U.K.didn't mentioned Genesis in the first 10.The first was Pink Floyd,but in the best 10 bands was John Bon Jobi !!!!! My God !!!!!GENESIS THE BEST.(sorry for my poor english).Bye

Cinday
I have allways loved Genesis. I live in Los Angeles where they have played lots of concerts. I have been to them all. Did I mention how I have allways loved Genesis!!! Thanks Guys for the thrill at the Hollywood Bowl. LOVED IT! (I was there both nights!)

George Dosal
I'm just grateful that Genesis came together to share the music and inspiration we needed so much to hear. It brings so much joy in my heart to listen and rekindle new and refreshed music. Genesis is awesome. Thank you all for what you inspire and for sharing with us all once more. I am very grateful.

Mike
I'm just glad to see them doing anything together. I've listened to some of the new album, and not only are the mechanical aspects perfect, but the nuances haven't diminished with time. Kudos for being one of the few 70's bands to come back with a quality live album in the past 10 years.

hugo ae
i saw you in l.a. in 2007 it was the last day, and i hope you will make a tour in 2008,especially in mexico

bob
this is the best band ever. No debate needed. Genesis is the greatest thing to happen to music - EVER.

Paul Sladek
Absolutely a fantastic show in Chicago Oct.4th. I hope they come back one day with another release and tour. I'll be there for it. P

luigi vicini
I saw 4 dates in european tour(j'm Italian).J know everybody is expecting a new record with new song. Cam'on what is the problem? You write 8 or 9 song,with some long song and maybe a long istrumental.tarantella like Duke's Travel duke's end,even if not a perfect new record...you'll sell 8 millin cd's,you'll earn a lot,lot,lot money,and we will be the happiest person of the world. Easy!!!!!Few time,good songs,lot of money million persons really really happy. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,is not so difficult. We love you so much!!!You help us to survive to this difficult lefe. Please!!!

DAVE FUSSELL
TWICKENHAM SHOW SUPERB

Yuri
I really feel the past year was a warm-up, a precursor, to an impending reunion tour with Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel. If that does, indeed happen, I feel it would be extra-special to have Chester and Daryl in on that as well! Hell, why not included Ant Phillips?!! That would be a large stage, an incredible delight!!

Longtime Genesis Fan
Next time come to Phoenix, AZ! 5th largest city in the US you know!

Campbell Stewart from Ballooch near Loch Lomond
Genesis for me have been and always will be a class act. I loved early Genesis way back in 1971, but seeing the guys play live again at Old Trafford was something that will live long in my memory for years to come. THANKS

ken holliday
great interviewalways good to hear mike and tony.How about some new material lads?all the best

Richard Draper
went to manchester rome new york and new jersey, fantastic, lets have some new material with a tour in future to follow, thanks for fantastic year

julie tanner
loved the 10/13/07 hollywood bowl show!!!!!!! please come back soon!!!!!!!

schuckles66
I have heard talk of the three of you with Peter and Steve?Is this true?And if so will you play Florida?

wilfredo Izaguirre
we (family of 5 salvadoreans) love genesis,I love them since peter gabriel time,we made ourselves shirts with genesis logo, went to see them in san jose, usa, love them again......but never will pay a dollar for being a fan ( $30 ...you kidding )

pete fairbrother
WHEN IS THE LIVE TOUR DVD RELEASED - I CANT WAIT MUCH LONGER !!!!

Sue D, New Castle, DE
We saw 2 of the 3 shows in Philly...AWESOME!!! Can't wait for you guys to come back!!!!

Misael
Hey Guys...SouthAmérica is waiting for you....We are waiting for a very long time to see you live!!!!Brazil, Argentina And Chile...Come On!!!www.forogenesis.com.ar

sean toal, aka mrabacab
great show guys!!!! 6 shows in three countries on this tour, live in boston welcomed you in helsinki, said hello in boston,montreal and hartford and bid you farewell on both shows in LA!!! thanks for thinking about the future and what the people might want!!!

Matthew
Will be real interesting if an "old lineup" tour is in the works when the 1968-1975 box set comes out. A tour with the original 5 would be appropriate indeed. I mean the 40th anniversary is next year.. Should be a tour with that as the foundation...Hell, why not put them all up there.. all seven of them. Imagine the sound of two drummers.. Actually you need two in order to accomplish "Grand Parade" on Lamb properly.. Daryl would be an asset with Steve. Would be nice if Steve could be on board with that idea.. Just wishing..........

Juan Romero
I only hope that Mike's last words "we'll see"... turn into a new album or another tour. I HOPE SO.Juan R.Miami, FL.

wigenesisfan - usa
Genesis rocks!!! Wisconsin can't wait until they stop back.

Gwool52
Genesis ! Thank You for all the music and the growing we shared together ! One more time though ! Complete the cycle ! ( PC , PG , MR , TB , SH )

Adrian A. Heredia
Awsome interview. The interview was very envjoyable, some very good questions.The intimate feelings i felt as if getting to know Mike & Tony when they spoke. I felt as if i was in the same room finally feeling and interacting.

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