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Muslim Scouts

A Muslim Scout group in Reading

In light of the 102nd Reading Muslim Group recently forming, we speak to Group Scout Leader Omair Zaman and Geoffrey Mitchell of Berkshire Scouts about the need for a separate scout group for those following Islam. Have your own say below.


Open Day information

102nd Muslim Scout Group Open Day

Saturday 22 April 2006

12.30 - 4pm

146 Oxford Road primary school

Reading RG1 7PJ

Email: Info@readingmuslimscouts.org

Phone: 0118 9453120 or 0870 3005494.

The 102nd Reading Muslim Scout Group, which was founded at the end of last month, is hoping to launch Beaver and Cub Scout groups in May. It is also looking to set up a group for older children by the end of 2006.

Some may feel however that a separate scout group for Muslims is a step back from community integration. We speak to Group Scout Leader Omair Zaman and Geoffrey Mitchell of Berkshire Scouts to find out more.

Why is there a need for a separate Muslim scout group?

Omair: "If you look in Berkshire alone there is over 7,500 adults and children involved in scouting and you can probably count a handful of those that are Muslim. I don't know any myself who are involved that are Muslim, so there is a need for it because scouting is a world-wide organisation in over 216 countries and territories. A third of those involved in scouting world-wide are actually Muslim, but that's not reflected in the UK and in Berkshire. So that's a reason for them to feel more comfortable to come along and involve them in this organisation."

The core issue though is that there seems to have been 'a need' to set up a separate Muslim group.

"As a muslim myself we believe that we need to interact with wider society so we're not about isolating ourselves..."
Group Scout Leader Omair Zaman

Geoffrey: "You've got to remember that this is a world-wide organisation in which there is 28 million people joined by common promise which is essentially duty to others, duty to self and duty to God and what we're reaching out to is engaging different faith communities in Reading, there are a variety of scout groups attached to different faith organisations and this is another one.

"You could say in the last 99 years that it started as a multi-faith organisation. At the first world scout jamboree which was way before I was born there were people from different faiths. The scouts was started by Baden Powell and he was very keen to ensure that all faiths were represented."

So maybe it's a perception thing?

Omair: "There is a perception out there among the Muslim community and that's the reason the Reading Muslim scout group has come about. That's the reason why we have an open day so that Muslims and non-Muslims within the Reading community can come together, learn about scouting in general also how scouting will fit in with the general Muslim culture and their religion."

If there are Muslims who feel marginalised by society, won't having a separate scout troop will further the marginalisation? It's not about integration is it, it's the opposite...

Omair: "As a Muslim myself we believe that we need to interact with wider society so we're not about isolating ourselves. One of the main reasons for this group is that it's open to anyone. Obviously it's going to attract the Muslims rather than the wider community, but anyone can come to the open day to learn more about it. We're going to be interacting with other scout groups, twinning up with another scout group maybe in another country or in another county and we'll be interacting with them on a continual basis."

Is there a scout group for Roman Catholics, or Jews?

Geoffrey Mitchell and Omair Zaman
Geoffrey Mitchell and Omair Zaman

Geoffrey: "There are, certainly I don't know every one of the 100-plus scout groups in Berkshire but certainly in Reading there's a troop that's attached to the Church of the Latterday Saints, Baptist chapels, the Roman Catholic church, and there has been in the past a group attached to the Sikh community.

Do you find that those faith groups attract people from other faiths to join?

Geoffrey: "I used to be an adult leader directly associated with a scout troop and within that troop there were people from a variety of faiths including someone from the Islamic faith, someone from the Sikh faith, as well as a variety of others.

"In Berkshire there is something like 300-odd sections meeting every week and any particular scout group is part of this huge community, so every month there are activities across Berkshire where groups come together. These may be outdoor activities, expeditions, adults come together for training. This year there is an expedition going to Spain for all scouts across Berkshire so there's plenty of opportunity for engagement.

"What this group is concerned about is providing an environment in which young people and their parents feel safe and comfortable with and from there we can develop engagement."

Do you think Baden Powell would have wanted separate groups?

Geoffrey: "We all are in one big world-wide family joined by a common promise.

Omair: "Rather than saying this is a very negative thing I think it's very positive and it's just another channel for the Muslim community especially Muslim youngsters to interact with wider society."

last updated: 20/04/06
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nadia
Having a muslim scout group is not racist, that's blatant ignorance because people are associating muslims with brown skin. Muslims beling to any race and can have any colour skin. Also it has been mentioned that there are variousscout groups that arn't just asscociated with one religion but with a particular church. What people need to do is look at the bigger picture, this scout group is leading to intergration as that's what being in the scouts is about being involved in your local community.

Oliver
If the Muslims of this country wish to isolate themselves further then this is the way forwards. I am tired of this pro-active discrimination. Segregation is no good. Religion in itself should not be an issue here you have made it one. Do not be surprised if this country turns to civil war in the coming years because that is exactly the thing this inspires.

charlotte
i think that having a seperate muslim scout group in my opinion is quite racist myself as many other scout groups do not have just white people in they accept everyone if there was a scout group that in fact did do that and only let white people in then you would have thousands of people complaining that it is racist but being the other way round it doesnt seem to matter at all

iftikhar shehzad
i am surprised to see such a negative comments from some people.i think, what these people have forgotten is that building a interfaith concept within an organization is a progression on its own. Once again Muslims are taken as a race and this is really sad.

Nat
OMG! How on the earth did Race get involve in the issue? Being muslim doesn't necessarily mean being "Brown". I'm sure there will be muslim children from many different races which will take part. Stop treating this as a RACE issue!

sameena nadeem
I don't know what all the hullabaloo is about muslim scouts. It seems to me that nowadays muslims are not allowed to have a distinct identity, and I don't see why this is the case. After all there are, as you have said, scout groups attached to catholic and baptist churches. The muslim scouts will be mixing with other scout groups too, so there will be extensive integration. It seems to me, that there is a common feeling that muslims have to hide their identity, and even obliterate it, and that makes me very angry indeed.

Steven Smith
In response to Gregg Pedder's comments on a muslim scout group. Lets clear a few misconceptions you seem to have. Firstly being a muslim is simply following the religion of Islam and hence is similar to Christians following Christianity. Why shouldn't there be a muslim scout group when there are countless examples of Christian organisation getting involved in Scouts.

Debbie
next it will be bi-racials in one group. whites in another and blacks in another. so much for tolerence its meant to be about progression not regression

Gregg Pedder
Having a 'Muslim' Scout group is exceptionally RACIST and should not be allowed to happen. What would happen if somebody decided to start a White Anglo Saxon club or something like, they would most likely be arrested and charged with racism

Steve Blunden
I feel that having seperate groups for Muslims or whatever is not going to help at all with cultural integration. However, having an Officer who is a Muslim, represents Muslims, represents Scouts to local Muslims, and who can recruit amongst Muslims is a better way forwards. Integration and encouragement - not ghetto-isation.

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