Julio Martino, North East
Pinter is undeniably one of the greatest living dramatists. But
will his plays survive him? His great plays of the 60s, for example,
are recognisably of the 60s. Do you think they will beome period
pieces, or will they remain open for fresh interpretations by future
generations of readers, theatre-goers and theatre makers?
Michael Billington
Pinter's plays obviously belong to their era, The Birthday Party
is of the late 1950s, The Caretaker and The Homecoming belong to
the 1960s and there are references to that world. And yet his plays
make total sense when they're revived nearly 50 years later. I don't
see any contradiction or paradox in this. I think all plays operate
on two levels. They are both expressions of the time in which they
are written and they're expressions of eternal truths in human behaviour
and that applies any first rate writer. So I don't think Pinter's
plays will date in the sense you mean. I think they will be available
down the decades because they're dealing with qualities in human
life, particularly insecurity, uncertainty, fear and terror that
remain permanent.
Adrian Fear, London
In the pantheon of great British playwrights where would you place
Pinter and why?
Michael Billington
I don't compile lists of playwrights in batting order. You have
to start with Shakespeare out in front anyway and the rest following
on a distance behind which I think Pinter would be the first to
acknowledge. I would rate Pinter highly as one of the great 20th-century
playwrights not just in Britain but everywhere else for several
reasons. He helped redefine the nature of theatre. He demolished
an idea of the omniscient author. What Pinter did was to show that
the dramatist is someone who can present exciting evidence and then
leave it to the audience to deduce what that evidence actually means.
Secondly, I think, Pinter did revolutionise speech in British theatre
and language. Before Pinter there was something called poetry and
there was something called prose. Poetry was always heightened and
rather flowery and occupied so many words per line and prose was
rather drab and flat. Pinter's fantastic achievement, I think, was
to create a prose poetry of his own and to take the ordinary speech
of everyday and bring out its poetic quality, its rhythms, its repetitions,
its hesitations, its sudden flowerings into ecstatic speech.
I suppose thirdly what Pinter did, was to create archetypal characters
on stage. Figures like Davies the tramp in The Caretaker or Max,
the bullying patriarch, in The Homecoming embody something much
larger themselves. Davies becomes an archetype for a man who is
both persecuted and a persecutor and Max becomes a prototype of
the head of the household who is riddled with sexual and emotional
insecurity. He creates huge characters on the stage. I would simply
say his work will live on whether he occupies number five or number
seven in the batting order.
Tim Evans, London
Pinter was influenced early on by Samuel Becket, and in a sense
their writing and style have been paralleld. Do you think a new
generation of writers influenced in turn by Pinter can continue
this style of the unexplained, and still maintain an originality,
without the label of Pinteresque?
Michael Billington
I think there was a dangerous period in the 1960s when imitators
of Pinter were everywhere, in fact one critic dubbed them the Pinteretti.
Everyone seemed to be writing sub-Pinter dialogue full of unfinished
sentences and unexplained evasions. I think we're through that period.
I think the younger generation of British dramatists all acknowledge
Pinter's influence and power and all admire his work. I'm speaking
of figures like Patrick Marber who's directed Pinter's plays and
of Mark Ravenhill and indeed the late Sarah Kane who was very close
to Pinter and very fond of him. But I think they have found a voice
of their own and I think have managed to absorb Pinter without simply
reproducing them.
Heathcliff Blair, Roehampton
It has been said about both Pinter and Stanley Kubrick that part
of the pleasure of their work comes from never quite knowing what
is going on. This could be said about many other artists from working
or lower middle-class backgrounds of that generation. Did this invigorating
dramatic ambiguity arise solely from the influence of Beckett and
Brecht, or from a more liberal post-war culture that, at last, trusted
the likes of Pinter to invite audiences to think for themselves?
Today, it seems that such invitations are actually regarded by critics
as patronising - a stance more Orwellian than Pinteresque.
Michael Billington
Your question is getting at something very important. I think the
arrival of Pinter's work in the late 1950s and through the 60s and
onwards coincides with an important cultural shift. What Pinter
understood is that we are living at a time when there are no answers
to questions about human motivation and behaviour. When we do not
expect dramatic situations to be resolved. When we didn't expect
plays or works of art to provide us with solutions.
To a large extent Beckett had anticipated this with a play like
Waiting for Godot in 1955 which presents humanity looking for an
answer to life's problems and meaning and not finding it. Brecht,
I think, is a red herring in this context, he is totally different
in that Brecht does provide social solutions to human problems.
But it's very interesting that Pinter's work emerges in the early
1960s at a time when the cinema and fiction were also exploring
doubt and ambiguity. There was a famous film by Antonioni, called
La Venturra, which came out around the same time as The Birthday
Party and The Caretaker. In it a woman goes missing and a group
of her friends go in search of her, the film offers no explanation
as to what happened to her, you never know whether she committed
suicide, you never know whether she chose to disappear or what happened.
In the same way Pinter's plays take a human situation and leave
it to the audience to supply the answer or the missing information
- where does Stanley go at the end of The Birthday Party? We don't
know, Pinter does not know, he expects the audience to provide any
answer they choose.
Pinter is part of a major shift in culture when first of all works
of art do not supply answers and secondly when audiences and spectators
take on themselves the responsibility for supplying the information.
Briefly, the novelist Paul Auster says that when you're writing
the reader is doing the writing with you. Part of the writing experience,
and in the same way in the theatre, the spectator is now part of
the experience. We would be insulted by modern drama that dotted
all the i's and crossed the t's so I think Pinter shows an extraordinary
awareness of a shift in narrative style.
Meirion Rice
Do you think Pinter and his work would have been different had he
gone to university?
Michael Billington
It's a very interesting hypothetical question. My hunch is he wouldn't
have been half as good a playwright if he had gone to university.
I'm sure he would have written and I'm sure he would have written
plays. Three years of academic discipline might have actually stifled
his imagination. The great thing about Pinter's early life is that
it combines his experiences of Hackney and the East End, his experiences
in Ireland, his peregrinations around the South Coast as a rep actor.
Somehow all this emerges and finds shape and form in early plays
like The Room and The Birthday Party.
Pinter does not write intellectual plays of ideas, he does not
write theoretical plays. He writes plays based directly on experiences
of life and my claim is the plays have an absolutely clear connection
with Pinter's biography. University might have made Pinter a more
cerebral dramatist but not a better one.
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