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  Orlando Figes  printable version

PRESENTER INTERVIEW

ORLANDO FIGES

Tuesday 13 May 2003

 
 

Orlando Figes is a specialist in Russian history from the 18th century onwards, teaching at Birkbeck College in London. He writes extensively for the press and his books include A People's Tragedy: the Russian Revolution, 1891-1924 and Natasha's Dance, which was recently nominated for the Samuel Johnson Prize. He presents the documentary The Tsar's Last Picture Show for BBC Four.

BBC Four: When did you first come across Gorsky's pictures?
Orlando Figes: I found the book Photographs for the Tsar shortly after it came out in 1980. I was blown away by the pictures. Colour does bring back to life the texture of Russia before 1917. Because I'd never seen pictures from that early my imagination of Russia was always in black and white, so to see them in colour just made it feel like yesterday. When the BBC approached me about making a film I agreed because Gorsky is just such an interesting figure.

BBC Four: The range of material that he covered was quite wide including portraits, architectural studies, landscapes…
OF: Yes and no. Considering the technique he had to use to get the colour, the quality of the print is very high and I think they have an artistic quality which is unusual for the period. On the other hand, I think perhaps because of the technique, they are slightly static. There are a lot of pictures of buildings and people in pose. He couldn't take pictures of moving objects because he had to take three separate exposures in immediate succession to get colour - so that's one technical limitation.

Because he was working for the Tsar there's also a political limitation on the subject matter - Gorsky's pictures have a kind of iconic element. He's taking pictures of churches, national monuments, landscapes and so on. But what we've done in the film is to bring out what we see as some of the ambiguities within the pictures - Gorsky is not just a lackey of the Tsar and the pictures which he took were far more interesting than they may first seem. They bring out the humanity of his subjects - peasants, tribesmen, individuals from various parts of the Russian empire. So one feels a sort of tension between his commission for the Tsar and his own democratic sympathies.

BBC Four: So you would say that he had quite liberal impulses?
OF: Yes, and you can see it in the photographs I think. He's not just taking pictures of ethnographic types, he's taking pictures of individual people for whom he feels sympathy. In his biography you can see he was deeply committed to the medium of photography for education, he wanted to use his images in schools, to educate people. He saw it as an important medium in Russia where most people were illiterate. He taught photography in an institute in Petrograd which had a very democratic intake. Although he had to pursue the patronage of the Tsar, and this limited him politically, at the same time he undoubtedly had democratic inclinations.

BBC Four: What consequence did his association with the Tsar have for him after the revolution?
OF: There's so much about Gorsky we can't know, but the one thing you can say about him is that he was quite a wheeler dealer and always seemed to know the right people at the right time. It's an amazing story. He wasn't a very grand figure in himself, from a minor gentry family, not particularly wealthy. He marries into an industrial family and this gave him a bit of financial backing for his photography. The he manages to arrange an exhibition attended by no less a figure than the Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich. The Grand Duke arranges the meeting with the Tsar who gives his support to Gorsky's photographic journeys around the empire.

Yet here is the mystery - because after 1917 Gorsky manages to make some sort of accommodation with the Bolsheviks. Anatoly Lunacharsky who was the Commissar of Enlightenment, a sort of arts and education minister in the government, appoints Gorsky to a new professorship. The other mystery is how he managed to get out of Russia after the murder of the imperial family in July 1918. He left Petrograd with a load of photographic plates and escaped to Norway. I reckon he couldn't have done that without the clearance of the Bolsheviks. No one seems to know how he managed to escape - but it does show that Gorsky was a man of extraordinary resources and some talent for making the right connections.

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ST PETERSBURG ANNIVERSARY
Details of all the programmes in the season
  St Petersburg
THE TSAR'S LAST PICTURE SHOW
Amazing record of pre-1917 Russia in colour
Emir of Bukhara

 COMPETITION
Win copies of Orlando Figes' cultural history of Russia, Natasha's Dance

Further Links

Orlando Figes
Details of publications on the University of London, Birkbeck College website

Natasha's Dance
BBC Four coverage of the Samuel Johnson Prize, for which the book has been nominated

Russia's Relationship with the West
Watch clips of Figes on BBC Four's Talk Show

Review
Guardian Online looks at Natasha's Dance

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