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worthing/brighton
pete is and almost unrivaled poet, carl can create genious on guitar. they can both play each others role if slightly less. there voices are perfect together. they are like man and woman, perfectly equal, but perfectly different

London Town
Peter is a poet. Carl is a guitarist. They're both talented and make good songs. FACT.

James, Herts
Both are absolutely terrible. I have listened to Up the Bracket so many times and just have to switch it off. People have been looking for something to symbolise the 00s music scene. They picked the Libertines and that smacks of serious desperation. The fact that we're even having this debate shows how starved rock music is of serious talent at the moment.

James Leach/London
Considering almost all of the Libertines songs were written by Doherty, I can't see how anyone could think he WASN'T the genius of the band. He has taken a new direction with his new music, and one which is obviously so different from the mainstream that even some Libertines fans don't like it. However this should not take away from the fact that he wrote some of the most amazing lyrics of the past 20 years. Carl may have had more influence over their sound, but that was never what the libertines was about. Pete Doherty is the last true legend of Rock n' Roll.

Dan Blackett, Newcastle
if i hear the term 'tormented genius' one more time i will fill a bucket. This has been a myth surrounding composers and poets for hundereds of years, and it is one that the Dohertys, Lennons, and Cobains have always projected and created around them. Petes writing is at times inspired but is usually overhyped unfinished work. Anyone who is addicted to heroin/crack will be thoroughly tormented, but the term genius should be reserved for the hard workers who have really changed the world. Not a smacked up smash hits boy band for toni&guy 20somethings. listen to the clash instead.

Toby Ingram, Southampton
What a load of old COCK.... Peters got drug problems but did you see the 'Get loaded' gig?? That show what a talent he is when hes sober (ish)

DW, London
Pete Doherty is a cream-faced headline hog.

Matt from Manchester
put it this way, ones a crack whore with no talent the other one is a musician. Anyone with ears and an ounce of knowledge about music can see that pete doperty is just a useles piece of tabloid inches who's idolised by screaming 14 year old girls who have never heard any music from pre-2001. Caral Barat all the way

time for heroes - northern england
let's face it they're both great & yeah i've seen dirty pretty things on the first tour (ace) but we can talk of pete in the same way as lennon or morrissey, a proper f**kwit' but our f**kwit, did'nt stop him making music that changed our lives forever!

fuzzy in super brentford
I cant make my mind up who is the most talented out of the two...I know which one is the most wasted!

John Bronnick, Belfast
Pete's music is often inspired, but poorly structured. Carl's seems to be very tight, but a little too ordinary. When they worked together they could come up with great work, but this was very rare. Listening back to there first album it sounds like they were just realising there potential. Unfortunately nothing either of them have done since has come close to this work and I don't think getting back together would ever change that.

Euan, Glasgow
in my opinion john hassalls band yeti are the best thing to come out of the libertines, reminiscent of the la's and the whole merseybeat sound. really under rated band, and they just get on with it, none of the constant press attention, and no bringing up the past at every opportunity. just a great band making great sounds. miles better than babyshambles AND dirty pretty things.

Cameron Holmes, New Zealand
They are both extremely talented, each in their own way, and are capable of great work on their own. But like the aforementioned Lennon and McCartney/Morrissey and Marr they definitely produce better work (i.e. classics) when they are together. They are inseperable, whether comparing their talent or otherwise.

Mike - Marylebone
Neither of them have any significant talent, The Libertines were dreadful & overrated, apart they are even worse - does anyone care?

Neil Smith in sunny Slough
Putting aside Doherty's instability and consequent tabloid coverage, it seems to me that if you're looking for the poet antihero of his generation, then Pete's your man. If, on the other hand, (like myself) your impressed by someone who can knock out killer punk-pop tunes, then Carl is surely the daddy!

Arnofa,China
Everyone love the bel-esprits,pete is a really bel-esprit,love him!love music!

paul - Worcester
Pete Dohertys music is slightly more diverse than that of the handful of songs that ive heard from Dirty Pretty Things. However, surely music is the more important factor, rather than tabloid inches, Mike Hanson. No doubt dirty pretty things will be as good as babyshambles, but musically, as many will agree, neither have as much potential, without the passion and genius of doherty and barat combined, which surrounded the libertines.

Neil, Swindon
They're both talented...unfortunately one is wasting it...

Caroline, London
Pete creates better poetic lyrics (well he did in The Libertines) but Carl has more musical talent.

Erica, Cheltenham
Im sorry but you can't possibly call them overated before the libertines we forced to face the awfal possibilty that music was with soul, heart and hope was dead and replaced with ego-tisitcal, chavnistic men with half a brain and no soul, wearing base ball caps. The Liberitnes changed music, they worked best together. Their solo efforts embody the indiviuality they both brought to the Libertines, and hopefully they will re-unite one day.

phil / cheltenham
"The album wasn't much better" are you off your head? that album is genius and will probably only be appreciated in 20 years time. just like a northern soul by the verve will be.

william / york
pete is a better songwriter than carl but carls is more talented on guitar and isnt screwed up

Jazz Monroe, Norwich
Pete Doherty is a genius. His lyrics are unmatched, especially not by Dirty Pretty Things. Carl wrote and played guitar brilliantly and this was obviously the basis for The Libs' sound. Both important, but very few members of the general public think of Pete as a genius for obvious reasons. Biased reports not just from tabloids but also the introduction to this topic paint an unrealistic picture of Pete. Without him The Libs were nothing, without Carl you could probably say the same.

Ragdoll, Norwich
yeti are by far the most superior libs spin-off

Genevieve London/England
I don't feel that either have yet reached their full potential, Pete Doherty is extremely talented on his own, he has a beautiful mind, but is letting himself down completely and can't see him getting better although I wish he would and prove what he really is capable of, escape from all the negative media, he is a real let down at the moment but only to himself, he needs someone to sort him out but only if he wants it...as for Carl he's a very talented chap, I think time away from Pete will show everyone how talented he is individually, but it's evident that Pete and Carl together are the combination that creates the spark...would be lovely for the Libertines to reform and reintroduce their creative amazing music, show these wannabes whose boss...Pete and Carlos are equally incredible!

Hannah, London
Pete is the most talented one thats obvious. Carl is good too though.

Sonny, Hackney
Peter was and is a tormented genius, Carl's slick guitar riffs were amazing and gave The Libertines a unique sound. However, if it wasn't for Peter's clever lyrics and beliefs, they would never have been acknowledged as one of the best bands in the UK, if not the world; They would have just been recognised as an unoriginal band with nothing heartfelt to the music.

MR MASH LEATHERHEAD
how long have we been ranting about pete and carl but still ill vent an opinion.... carl is better

M. Mason, Perth Australia
They were both talented, this is what produced the glory of the Libertines. Carl was the guts of the band, while Pete was the poet.

King, Lewes
Neither. The Libertines were at best Average. The problem is these days is the 'cool' factor seems to come before the music. NME have almost single handedly brought this about. Dirty Pretty Things now eh? Has Carlos never heard of the Pretty Things.....?

John, Liverpool
Utter garbage. Bad Clash wanabees acting like Wiltshire public school boys on a weekend trip to Camden. Blerts the pair of them.

Mer, San Francisco, CA
You killed the Melody Maker

Jon Smith From Washington (Tyne And Wear)
pete is just a poetic genuis! and no one can say otherwise! and carl just made petes songs sound even better with his lead riffs!

Simon Dennis, Leeds
Only time will tell i think. I always thought that Peter was the more talented by far.But when you work with somebody that talented its bound to rub off, Syd Barret on Rodger Walters? I Think Carlos will write a album of wonderfully catchy pop songs that will do very well (just wish he hadn't stolen Didz, team cooper will miss you luv!), but if Peter gets his act together he could be important to british music as Mr. Albarn is at the moment.

Jim Fordham, Birmingham
I think the new DPT single is a really catchy pop song. Some of the Babyshambles material is brilliant, some of it isn't. The crying shame is that together they were worth so much more than the sum of their parts. The DPT stuff seems to lack the frisson of excitement and unpredictability that Pete brought to the table and the babyshambles stuff lacks the coherence that Carl battled so hard to bring to the libertines.

jon mcr
I must say i see this is a bit of a facile and useless debate, its also good fun. In different ways they were both strikingly talented people. Equally so if you ask me, of course we all saw what they were capable of when working together... I still hold out a shred of hope that they may one day collaborate again, then we will all be winners.

Gregor, East Finchley
I thought the drummer was pretty good. I hear that when on tour he declined the use of 'Charlie' who I think was there for extra percussion or something.

Gareth, London
talent???

Simon, Birmingham
Clearly, it's their press agents, getting this pair of talentless shitehawks as much publicity as possible (yes, even when they were in the massively overrated Libertines). If their agents are looking for another challenge, I hear that some eskimos are looking to buy some snow...

Dan, London
Despite the fact that the Libertines were HUGELY overrated, the disastrous wet-fart music that Babyshambles dribble out is no more pleasant to listen to than a puppy being boiled alive. So therefore the glaring Oasis rip-off that is the one song that I've heard by Dirty Pretty Things would have to take the prize. But the history books are likely to be written by a tabloid NME organ so chances are Doherty will reign supreme. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

S. Jones, London
I remember the split up of The Beatles. A similar debate arose then. No conclusions were reached. Each Beatle went on to develop their own talents and we were treated to music from four different sources rather than one. The same came be said for the members of The Libertines. Peter Doherty and Carl Barat will always be measured against each other, something which I don't think either artist ever wanted. It is a shame that the media forces them, and their fans, into a meaningless competiton that only rips a once united community apart.

craig blackett sunderland
what about john....his band yeti are doin well...theyve got some really good tunes...good live as well...they say watch out for the quiet ones...

James Pitendreigh, Leeds
Karl, the talent. Pete, the voice.

Miles Moore
None are talented - they are a hyped UK band

Neil Manchester
never really cared for any of the bands mention but it does seem that babyshambles are as the name suggests, where as dirty pretty things can actually hold a tune,and sound like libertines stuff, so itr does tend to show that carl barat is the more acomplised of the 2!

John, Lincoln
While I don't think the debate benefits either Babyshambles or Dirty Pretty Things at all, clearly The Libertines were even more than the sum of their parts. Babyshambles have huge potential (as does Pete's solo work) but that potential will never be reached if his tabloid shenanigans carry on overshadowing the band. Carl - along with Anthony, Didz and Gary has huge potential also, but the constant comparisons (s well as the journalistic tendency to concentrate on the past above all else) won't be any good for DPT as they get started. It might not help the debate much, but Peter and Carlos were both talented, and they complemented each other in the context of The Libertines. That time is over and it does neither any good to go over it again and again.

James MacDonald, Glasgow
They both have their own special qualities that came together perfectly for The Libertines. i think its impossible to suggest who is the "talented" one- they both are!!