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Artists discuss video sharing site's move to pull UK access to official music videos
10 March 2009 - YouTube are in the process of blocking all access to "official" music videos on their website.

It is only UK users that are affected, and the ban involves a very complicated legal row, but for now, the video sharing network say "premium music videos" are off limits.

The internet giant described it as a "painful decision" which it knew would cause "significant disappointment".

It comes after the expiration of its licence agreement with PRS, who pay songwriters and composers the revenue from the hits the site gets. The agreement expired last year, and the two sides were in the middle of re-negotiating a new deal, however, Google says the new licence fee is too high.

"We have been unable to come up with reasonable economic terms with the PRS for music," says Patrick Walker, YouTube's director of video partnerships.

"Not only are the fees they want us to pay unreasonable in our opinion," he continued, "We don't know exactly from them what we are having to pay for.

"So it is the equivalent of being asked to purchase a CD and not knowing what music is going to be on it, and so it's difficult to put an associated value to that."
"If you use more music you should be prepared to pay more for your music."
Andrew Shaw, PRS


However, PRS spokesperson Andrew Shaw, who is Managing Director of broadcast and online for the group, says they are shocked by Google's "drastic action" which will "punish" music lovers and songwriters.

The licence fee's increased because of the rise in the number of videos being viewed on the site, which has gone up from somewhere in the region of 75 to 80 million at the beginning of last year, to almost 300 million at the end of last year.

This, says Mr Shaw, is why YouTube needs to pay more: "Like with any product that you use when you’re putting together your service, if you use more electricity, you pay the electricity board more for your electricity.

"If you use more music you should be prepared to pay more for your music to ensure the creators of that music get paid and can go on creating."

But the row doesn’t look like it will be nearing an end anytime soon, and PRS have even branded it a "publicity stunt" to try and bring the dispute into the commercial domain.

They highlight the fact Google made $5.7 billion in the last quarter of last year, which they feel makes their request a tiny teardrop in a very large pool of cash the internet giant is generating.

YouTube say they are, "committed to music, and to working with the labels and the artists, to reach out to users and drive revenues going forward."

Beth Orton responds

Speaking on the issue, today's (10 March) 6 Music hub guest Beth Orton reckons royalties are important for artists’ income.

"It’s like, certain people can’t just make money from gigs can they?" she asked.  "You should get money from recording, because record deals are different now as well, so it would make sense that revenue has to come from somewhere."

And the female singer-songwriter is testament to the fact that artists rely on the royalties from their music to live: "It’s been lovely for me because I’ve had the last two years to just concentrate on my little girl.

"That’s been from working really hard for 10 years and then being able to live off the back of what I’ve done when those little royalty cheques come in."

Leave 6 Music News your comments below.  Do you think it is unfair? Or will you be glad to see music videos taken off YouTube?

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Comments so far

David, Southend
Certainly both parties are guilty of overly simplifying the issues in the media. However, this is a fantastically complicated issue andI'd like to think that the PRS has the ultimate interests of artists at its heart. By asking for a vast increase in video revenue it is maybe trying create a 'quick win solution' for the old model for artists royalties is becoming increasingly redundant.Of course, I may be wrong, and they may really be "money-grabbing facists"...

Jeff, Seattle
What YouTube needs to do is clean up all the crap videos that have been uploaded. Pay the royalties for videos from an artist's label, and then bar all the pirated uploads. YouTube would save itself a hell of a lot of storage space if it didn't have seven versions of the same video lifted from television or wherever.

Nicole Masika, Brooklyn Center, MN, USA
Youtube music videos are not just music we use, they are advertising. Musicians and record labels should consider paying Youtube for the privilege of being visible there.I have playlists that I listen to instead of radio sometimes. But I also embed the videos where my online communities can see them. One of these is 200,000 strong, and I estimate that about 400 people /day have seen some of the Youtubes I've shared. They may not all click on it and listen, but this is how we are learning about new music now. Radio has failed us in the United States.

Russ Greeno - Portsmouth
Both parties are to blame if you ask me.

Nick, Oxford
The PRS is systematically failing its artists and us the consumers, YouTube, Pandora what next? Spotify?

Paul. Milton Keynes
The PRS are a bunch of money grabbing facists

Mark / Leeds
We have invented a concept in entertainment and have been developing this for 2 years we are all ready to roll out the game online in the casual gaming and online gaming market but PRS are holding us back asking for a ridiculous amount of money to make this happen. We have held numerous meetings with PRS and currently have support from a major record label, but our model does not fit in with their current JOL Licence!! Therefore we need to negotiate this in order to make it happen. Our game utilises no more than 8 second streaming clips of music based on an already recognised format and we have been receiving an enormous amount of interest from a number of companies but PRS are asking for a percentage of the top line rather than accepting our offer of revenue from our receipts.

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