WEst london
Eski beat is the rawist tune. and wat wiley makes is our UK hip hop!!!

skar
garage is jumpy music and bare peeps get in a hype, the beats inspire the younger generation to get into makin beats and try to get known in the urban enviroment

jason
dizzy was pritty goo d when he first started but now all his musci is starting 2 sound like hip hop

murk ya
manchester aka madchester has the most up n coming garage mc's so watch out all u southeners!

rachel
i dont think hip hop n garage are the same i dont feel hip hop the way i feel garage it is different. i am proud the way the uk are risein in the underground keep repin x

J
UKG used to be about the music. Now it's about getting a rep.

Roofless
i aint a garage man but still big up all da east man.Big up Hellstone.And keep dat garage ting goin cos we finally onto something. BLESS

Nicky Jizzle
Garage is ours so be proud of it...basically music should be enjoyed by everyone whether its garage or hip hop (or even pop). The UK made garage/grime what it is today so keep the positive and throw away the negatives.

It's on its way up and you can tell that by the quality of the tunes that are coming out this year, so keep the beats and battles coming so people can create better beats and lyrics. Peace.

Kane
who the hell is this little guy Wiley // the UK's equivilant to Britney or Kylie // someone shut him up and make it stop // 'cos it don't nuttin' about UK Hip Hop!

CASHER
Shout out 2 Roll Deep setting da pace rite now!

mickyc, manchester
uk garage is put down cos peepz say it encourages kids into guns n all but hip hop iz jus as bad if not worse, Roll Deep r jus doin a job and a good 1 at that! keep up da good work

mc rabz
wicked documentary

Rampant J
There is Garage in the north and bare crews

G.O.
I think 4 garage 2 keeps its essential underground roots it needs 2 disassociate the chart efforts of So Solid as commercial trash. So Solid is there 2 promote UKG 2 kids people like Wiley, Dizee and the Pay As You Go cartel (when they was around) should be the ones 2 promote UKG 2 the masses instead of So Solid who clearly lost their underground roots after making 21 Seconds.

I also think that east is where its at at the moment but there is good music coming from south from people like Pac-man.Also there should be some more of the lady tunes coming from the scene like some of the classics a.k.a. "monsta boy-sorry" as well as the new sounds from people like Wiley.

Trials
The east sound is all good. Roll Deep are taking it up to an advanced level. It's kinda like how dancehall tracks have different styles and riddims as does UKG. Uk hip hop is on the up and it's all gonna fuze together in the end to make a strong fresh style.

Felix_da_Fireman (Hot Sound)
I think that the documentary was one of the most interesting pieces of audio posted on the net so far! Listening to it made me think why haven't any other areas been recognised and it's all about the determination and input that East London puts in. Really and truly anybody who has come through has worked 4 it. If others get brought through after, its because of the sheer love 4 one and other. Everybody knows what they're doing when they're doing it but its a case of why? eg: America = Dr DRE-Eminem-50cent-G.Unit! Their sound becomes BIG! It's simple, stop being greedy, wait and be prepared to work 4 ur spot!

Sincere Wise
UK Garage is by no means the equivalent of Hip Hop. UK Hip Hop has been strong since the 80's. We always had our own sound here. Not to forget Demon Boyz, London Posse, Overlord X, MC Duke, Cookie Crew, Outlaw Posse, Cash Crew and numerous other artists and crews who never had an American sound or accent. Many of these artists are no longer around because they weren't supported by us here in this country. As for UK being better than US, yes we have done it before when they were invited to the UK Hustlers convention and were crushed by the UK's finest. Peace to all those old UK indie Hip Hop labels.

Agent FareEvader
I can remember hanging out for dubplates, tapes and CDs to trickle through to down here in Australia. There is a small but devoted UKG massive, and there has been since about 2000. Craig David, Artful Dodger, Shanks and Bigfoot, DJ Luck/MC Neat DJ Pied Piper etc came through on the commercial UKG side of tings here, and underground flavas were even harder to come by.

I musta spend $100's on imports, as did a lot of other garageheads out here. Diggy dan above was right, it is an all over UK thing. Put it this way - imagine UKG is like the english language. People speak it everywhere, but with different accents. People all over the UK speak UKG with different flavas, be they darker, poppier, rnb-infused or dancehall. Everyone in the UK should be proud that the scene is on the rise out of the "guns-and-gansta" ashes. And you should all be proud of the fact that you have a thriving UKG scene.

Down here there is me, Garage Pressure crew, Lady Erica and a handful of others who keep pushing the scene. Fractured Beats, Catchy Melodies and Vocal Harmonies forever. Long live Garage and big-up to 1Xtra for the doco.

Bassline
Why is it that everyone goes on about UK Garage, and how its changed and that it ain't the same as back in the day? Garage, like all genres of music has evolved.... Moved on... Look at the us hip hop scene 10 - 15 years back.... Beats, Lyrics, the overall production has changed.

vendetta
respect to the ukg scene. its a solid movement. but you can't compare it to hip hop in terms of creativity. lyrically (and I would say musically as well) hip hop is on another level , just listen to the kanye west lp. and for all you hatin on uk hip hop just check broke'n english. some of you headz needs educating fa real...

josh evans
hip-hop is tight it brings a new way of life to some people

silent g........
it's all about east is east, the new sound, the look, its a new era, be ready!

paris
i too think its bad that you have to be in London to be heard, London is not all that.... its just that most of you have never been out of it. Ps. learn to spell. you all sound thick as when you 'chat like dis u get me?'

souf soldier SE.24 BLUDDD
big up east yeh i rate a couple ppl that are coming out still, but don't forget souf blad. souf london started dis, east is jus overrated. it's like if u aint from east then u aint no one dat aint true, soufs doin it. it's jus all dese neeks from these coutryside places are begging it with east and promoting dem, when south starts linking east again it's on...

wispar
it aint all about east. garage is movin forward da whole scene not jus east. east jus gets da most exposure. think about it da only garage mans to make it was so solid. numb 1 and dem man r south. jus cos a crew/mc is from east dont mean dere good, i.e crazy t.

Riley
The crews have ruined the UK garage scene in every way. I remember going to garage nights and having to make an effort and dress smart, the atmosphere was excellent and everyone was there to enjoy the sounds. These crews who appeal to the wannabe gangster kids have turned garage nights into turf wars, its pathetic. People walking around in there in dirty trainers and baggy tracksuits. The tunes they produce are simple and unoriginal, the DJ's mix terribly and the MCs need to realise mic levels are there for a reason, tune em and stop screaming. I say bring back the days of Norris da boss, Funky Smith, Mega MC and Blakey, when tunes were tunes and the DJs and MCs knew what they doing.

N.W
North west is cumin up u get me, east is big at d moment but north west will be there

TOP BOY
Listen up y'all UKG ravers - as long as HLC and Roll Deep r down blazing out dirty riddims underground in the top clubs playing underground grimey tunes UKG will still b hot !! Wiley’s new tune – “wot do they call it” jus sums it all up!

2much4u
UKG in this form is the British equivalent to hip-hop, stylistically it's very different. Hip-Hop has been around for how long and don't you remember the hype of gangsta rap what with tracks like "straight outta compton" bare hype man, bare hype...

East london has been pioneering a different style for a long time, Deja and Rinse have always played what the youth is raving to.

It's still garage, it's just evolving to progress, it's grimey man, it's pure bass lines and 8-bars, the MC has come back to the forefront again, people moan and say "these tunes are just for MCs etc" check your heritage man, the original dub/reggae soundsystems were always about MCs, spitting over the same riddim. Them same people who moan about it in garage don't moan about it in bashment raves or jungle raves, this is the way it has and always be....

Err why East? East is grimey, in that the people that live there are real and live lives that are real plus and where you find grimey, you'll find anger and where there's anger, there's a young man/lady with a mic telling it how it is.

Support garage in all its forms, it's the only way forward...

dayzee Manchester
I would say garage is the UK equivalent to hip hop in a sense it comes from the streets, Mc's are reflecting and expressing stories that they see in everyday life although the beats and flow are different. Also more tracks are produced in hip hop than garage so it doesnt seem as repetitive.

Music is constantly evolving and has to change otherwise it would become boring, so I can respect artists wanting to take their music in a new direction, personally I prefered garage when there were more samples and vocals. Although I do think there are some good grime tracks produced.

Garage Mc's tend to focus more on gun talk and battles. Whilst this shows off their lyrical talent it should be saved for radio shows as people tend to watch and listen rather than dance, vibe and enjoy themselves. More attention should be given to hyping up the crowd, other Mc's and DJ's. More emphasis on Good vibes, more smiling and being friendly!

Mighty Moe, Heartless
This doc gives an informative and positive outlook on a new exciting movement.

Wiley
I'm in LA shooting my new video - I heard the doc, I like it. Big up.

Blakos B
No matter wat any1 says garage at the mo in the uk is on top wen it cums 2 progressing ppl like dizzy n wiley have done it all themselves frm scratch they produce sumfin new its fresh!!!!!!!!!

British hip hop is perfetic it sounds jus like american hip hop and even if someone does get anywhere in the industry they still get all their help from american hip hop producers or artists. garage is straight from the uk, british hip hop is fresh from the states. as far as im concernd there is no such fing as british hip hop STANDARD!!!!!!!

Come on evry1 this is wat we need wat wiley and evry1 frm the garage scene has given is so good we dnt no wat we want to call it. This is how we know its ours n no1 elses we jus need to keep it pumpin out n show the americans wat we can do the will soon want in on it trus me!!

DJMC_HyPeR, SCC
I think that Garage is the UK's ansa to Hip-Hop and in a lot of ways it is more diverse. The MCing takes more skill as at times u need to speed up and other times u have a slower rhythm and flow. Its also spread National with followings in most major cities, its just a shame we dnt have the Big Labels that r willin to sign 'Garage' Acts...wud love to c a clash btwn u Lyricist like Skillz or Nas against some of the UK Acts like Wiley or Dizzy!!?! Oh and I'd call New Skool Garage: Street Garage, stole dat from Nesha!!?! Shouts to u girl. 1!

james
a lot of peeps here think that there's only garage in da east of london, ya wrong man, garage is nationwide rite about now, trust me. people r goin on like dere's no other mc's not from london garage is all over england. garage mc's are better dan uk hip hop rappers.

Average
So Solid started it?!?! Garage bn around for ages...So Solid helped take the scene downhill, it became too commercialised. Then everybody wanted in on the act. The idea of 'underground' was to keep it on the low. I started listening about 7 years ago... Then i went into D'n'B...now a proper hip hop head. The attitude is what ruined Garage...end of.

MIKE
Garage is all gud an hip hop iz a way of life. Nuf manz frm da south west aint repizented in hip hop or garage but it is a uk ting. Its all bout da uk.

mitch
garage...NO...MCs...chat...chat rubbish... SOSOLID... in debt, wannabees who r no mo, gone n dusted... EASTSIDE CONNECTION WIV FAKE LYRIKS... PLS SHUT UP....PERSONALLY GIVE IT UP YA'LL LAME!!!!!!!!!

DirtyD, Shoreditch
The sound is indeed a uniquely East sound. It's not particularly like anything else at all. It's not like house, neither is it like hip hop, DnB or indeed the garage of old. Dizzee isn't hip hop, he's East. I like where it's going, it's fun, exciting and constantly changing. Go the East.

Felix_da_Fireman
Diggy Dan [bottom] - U said it all.

mc maffia aka finga likin gd chicken
basically i fink ukg isnt taken seriously anymore its gd 2 ave a laugh now n den but der was a time wen ukg was jus takin da mik n peeps jus messin bout. but lukily so solid cum along n saved da scene but died out. den pay as u go cum n wnt. Da nxt big posse was nasty cru n dey was serious n still r but coz wiley cum upon da stage hes settin a nu rythm 4 garage which set bac sum garage artists.

im not slewin wiley,i like his tunes n im 1 of da very few dat du but i jus fink his first song shud of been a bit more positive coz as mike sed u gots ta du hippity hop ting 2 get respected in garage or if ur not in2 hip hop den du sum recognisable beats den u can make ur unique trademark /ur own beats woteva u wanna call it.

so wot im sayin is ukg culd b easily mistaken as hip hop if its standards dnt get picked up soon, garage is fading hiphop is takin ova dnt let da 2 mix dey r two totally different beats. so let dem stay two totally different areas of black music!brrrrrrrrrrrrrra!

Dutty Solja
people need ta relize dat american mans cant run evryting in london we got our own beat our own talent and h8as who dont like it try sayin dat wer catin america. we hav our own talent our own slang and we need to start promotin da uk tings

R-Dan
Well to me garage an East London is like New York an hip hop, but hip hop to me is american an garage is ENGLISH an only we can created the sounds and stylewe do!!!

Thundah
Dizzy was over da pond here in Toronto Canada awhile back and while most katz who came out had no clue who slimzee was or the tunes he was playing it was still a solid show that needs to be followed up by more east london crews. big all yourselves up and stay hungry.

codz
ukg is heavy durty dogz roll deep east conections donao and shystie run tingz in london

mighty millza
yo im from manchester i think that the sounds fom the east are heavy. the sounds are unique. as long as the keep it up i think it will go far man.

sp00ky, Luton
Yeah, the east has a distinctive flavour. I reckon what stands out most about these artists is the accent, grimey like the sounds underneath them! Less like chattin jamaican, i reckon these guys really got their own originality coming through. Like the program said, Id put it down to the strength of identity to the east. Still youse are talking about it being a positive sound. But is just as aggresive as anything 'ukg' was criticised for.

Sean Venniel from South Wales
I was at 1 point a big UKG fan but the scene has got so dated. I've never been 2 the east end so i couldn't comment on boarder. I agree with some of the previous comment about the negative vibes UKG put out. When i get home from work i want love on my sound system on, not war. Respect in all aspect!

Trader
The garage being put out today isn't in the same class as what it was around 5 years ago. The production is often poor and the beats are so simple that many were probable done on the Playstation. Anyone who has produced music would be able to tell the difference between the originators and what it is today (MJ Cole for example uses around 25 layers for each of his tunes, some of this grime nonsense is using 8-10 layers tops!). Old skool garage is what built the industry into what it is, the new skool is what's taking it down and it's why the police are lockin off so many london garage raves!

Fair play to those, eg Wiley, who have identified their own style and have taken it into a different direction. The crews have taken over a large percentage of garage and it has brought a much more "gangster" element to the music. As for the UK equivalent of hip-hop I'd have to disagree as it's only really recognised by the people that listen to it.

It's not a country wide accepted genre and therefore there will probably never be given the money needed to promote the brand. Garage is still seen by most as an underground genre and, while certain elements of hip-hop are as well, there is a huge mainstream element, which gives it the market pull. Tunes like Sweet Like Chocolate and A Little Bit of Luck gave UK garage it's chance to grab the spotlight but it would seem it wasn't taken!

chay from catford
garage sucks, vlad. . . hip hop a run tings 'round here. and dancehall ting a gwan too. fiya fee garage!!!!

Donovan
Im from N.Y. I listen to 1Xtra on the internet. Garage is alright, some of da songs is tight, but hip-hop is what started it so I don't agree wit da 'what do you call it' song.

PIXY SW2
is like mans forgetting south on this board, yeh the biggest name artists come from east but the way u people r talking is like its only about east all the younger generation of mcs coming from south r doing justice to the new sound their not just trying to copy a next mans flow like in east people need to recognise south london mcs r sick

Mike
Listen guys. Garage can neva be Hiphop. Hiphop is an international thang, garage is only known and listened to by London peeps. In fact many people disrespect garage for one reason or another because of the sound, beats and all that. Any ways, whoever wanna be heard beyond London and UK then you gotta take on the hip hip thang. Dats fa real.

I am from North London and I do a little hip hop and garage, you know. I have heard kats like Demoree from West London, Tedd-Y and others and they all spit hip hop. So you either take it or leave but its how vast you like your stuff to be heard. Peace.

melissa
i think garage is da bes fing at da moment i reckon pay as u go started it off again afta so solid, it helped coz der was bere mans and shit which is bad and they r still doin dere own ting still jus like b4

shocka
wa gwan london is shocka. representing replacement killerz, east acton/white city. jus wanted 2 say dat da garage scene is big in east but dem men r 4gettin where it all started and how inspired so solid crew n dat. it aint an east london ting it's a london ting. u man will hear me soon.

BLACKA
Garage is too rowdy n negative

wanley, rugby
yo the sounds that are comin out at the moment are heavy i hope it dont sellout again and we find are selfs hunting around for fat tunes or alternative sounds. nuff respect.

Kane Steadman
i would say the rascal is hip hop...hip hop is a way life and spittin is sumfin you do...it's just a shame that you have to live in London to be heard...

Queen dramah
uk garage is heavy still. east london is bringin out some top artists like nasty crew are heavy, d double e, heavy east r jus running things. artists from east r unique, they are serious. the garage system feels like it is made for london garage - aint tryin to b like american hip hop garage and have their own unique sound. east london is more serious about the music but there are also top crews in south such as lady dynamite she has gotten really far and so solid. but east london will always b on top.

Diggy dan darkness (from Hotsounds)
I reckon uk garage as a whole is our equivalent to hip hop as it is our accent, our style, our lives and our 'slang' being displayed not america's. Despite the use of various different instruments it is still garage. There are various instruments used in hip hop but we know the tempo is hip hop. The label 'garage' is not a negative term.

As long as garage music stays on a positive vibe and makes people smile instead of puttin on a screw face then who cares what its called!!! East london has a strong presence i feel because we have not just participated in the game but have tried to take it to new dimensions. Nethertheless we cannot forget others such as So Solid and Lady Dynamite who have had a large inpact on garage and its progression who do not originate from east london. Its a UK ting lets have sum pride in it!