kalisto
the people that go these events are the ones who mess it up for everyone else. all wanna be rudeboys with vendetta's all out to get sum1 coz they either lost a girl or some money to sum1 else. manz think they tough but all it is is being immature. just go out, have a good tym and just leave the bouncing to the bouncers.

John
Its a shame that this should happen to an increasingly blossoming talent coming up from the uk, thats being shunted due to a minority of people! However i do feel aswell that the club owners are not just focused on the violence issue but also the issue of drugs that are related to this style of music! Many clubs dont want the hassel of people smokin weed and that in thier clubs.

Dee
It's a SHAME!

anon
As sad as it is this type of music does generate trouble, i have seen it first hand and it is scary. Too many people mainly boys think its 'cool' to betray a badboy image and thats where the trouble errupts from. Instead of people keeping it strictly lyrical they take it that step further. People need to remember they lock things off for the benefit of 'us' not as a punishment to us nor the artist, if we opened out eyes a little the picture would be clearer.

Guvna
Because the majority of Drug dealers and gang related violence is linked to the black culture people seem to think that the black events and black music will do the same ... Bring pointless drama and trouble. A percentage of Black Music fans are involved in the illigal market and in the illigal market you hold a reputation, so these people go to clubs, and for example, someone will say something to them and gats will blaze. People need to chill out, everyone these days has some sort of attitude.

southstar
im a under 18s promotor in and around south bucks and believe me we had nuffin but love we have bout 800kids a time and it is big!! we bring up alot of up n comin artits from everywere and it is loved!! we play everything grime rnb hip hop bashment and the vibe is exceptional!!! we have one a month and it gets ram and we have had 1 set truble in 12 events.u get trouble at anywere u go wheather its a normal club or a orginised event theres all ways summit so being real u cant really avoid it its just how u deal wid it!! safe uk and keep it real!!!

karma
its not just black youth expression its asian whites anyone can expres wot they want in grime its got no limits it can cover anything, just because its got aggresive lyrics dnt mean we shud get hype in a rave n start battering everyone everyone needs to keep calm so grime can move forward if its to have any chance of rivalling hip hop

Jimmi Dillz
I can't DJ around clubs round my endz cause of the image of our music. There's no doubt that gun crime exists in this country but not the levels that exist in NY or LA for example, so the thing that annoys me is that you get these crews that say they aint into gun crime, but think its cool if they talk about it thru an "alter-ego" just to fit into the scene. This is only gonna get new listeners thinking that it goes on for real all the time, which it don't. So even though I think club promoters ignoring the talent of the Grime scene is out of order, they do have a point. All the time we have artist repping a fake crime culture, we're always fighting a losing battle against a real club culture

Mr Connected
I run a very lucrative urban club night and can understand both sides of the arguement. Because of the unfortunate associations of urban clubbing we operate the strictest dress codes because there is a clear correlation between appearance and behaviour. In terms of the UKG thing right now it could be argued that the unrest between crews such as So Sold and Roll Deep has an influence on peoples attitudes at raves but i think it goes much deeper than this. Sadly the chav/rude boy culture is spreading and it is a breed that has little or no manners or respect. Hence people turn up to nightclubs in tracksuits, looking to take or sell drugs, start fights and cause trouble, rather than embrace and contribute to the atmosphere. The classic example is when somone stands on your foot at a club. Its gonna happen, clubs are congested spaces. You accept apologies and get on with it. Its not about screwfacing and starting beef over minor things like that. Any comments!?

Izaac
the funny thing about this is the words 'black music'. What, so its owned then. Any no non-black person can't make a 'black record'? Any chinese, spanish or english person can't make a black record? They are getting axed because of the violence, most days you hear about gun crime outside urban niteclubs. Its not stereotypical, its the truth.

rocksteady
shut down the clubs, and give the knuckleheads more schooling..better still, before they enter (the gangs of 15 or more BOYS) give them an IQ test, if they are under acheivers, send them packing...its simple, fight inside or outside club=club closure...SIMPLE. 4get politricks..their already playing into the politricians hands anyway! Club owners & promoters, i know it eats into your profits but beef up security! use more dogs..its a great visual deterrent trust me....go to a club to enjoy, not to destroy!

Natalie.B
I dont think the raves should be cancelled but I do think security should be better and there should be some kind of penlalty for those who do cause trouble. And people should check their attitudes and stop fighting over silly things.

't'
security is definately an issue to be looked at. But we also need to educate our young people about the impact these negative behaviour are having on our music and the audiences that attend them.

madhorse
Garage and Grime are different. Garage is all about good vibes. Grime is more bout POW!- If you got fights at the poshest places in the UK when that tune goes off, is it a suprise that Grime is gonna bring fighting - It is war music after all

richard
i live in reading, which has a large black population ,and there are not as many promoters or events as there should be for us here, wether its reggaae, rnb or garage, i too have had events shut down at days notice because fear of what may happen even though as a promoter / dj nothing as ever happened in a gig i have done. the clubs pull out last minute , with some laime story about police advising them not to keep our events, the power to cancell the gig is in the clubs hands bottom line and lots of them shove us away (its easier) than stand up to the cops. and we the community and promoters are left out of picture and out of pocket far too often nowadays.

Hova
The problem is letting the wrong people in to the places. People who are just going to hold up the walls or just look to try and start a fight what do people expect? Also the problem is when something is promoted climing that sports wear caps etc won't be allowed yet people can all come in dressed in tracksuits etc. If you are going to have a dress code then stick to it. People know the boncers so they roll in like they own the joint causing problems then when peole bag on the music its oh they don't like Urban Music. People will only take a certain amount of messing about before they try and make a change.

Drew
If we as black people knew how to behave we would not be having this discussion right now. Going clubbing is about having fun and escaping the pressures of everyday life. Why go to a club armed to the teeth with the intention of ending someone's life and causing as much havoc and fear as possible? It is these people that should be shut down - not the events. However, club promoters, club owners, police and security (who sometimes know the gunmen and let them in with the weapons) should work together to actively stamp out this menace.

Adrian Dean Anderson
The minority spoil it for the majority. Weeds/guns/Operation Trident/ low educational opportunities. It's not fair but are we just gonna be victims and simply blame the system ?

mark
good, prehaps people will learn that people don't want to go out and fight

ryan duffy
i think it's disgraceful, this music is the best and is widely loved by all races. It DOES NOT promote violence at all. It is new music and the MC's are trying to make something of themselves and do this by rapping out life aspects to different tunes and beats. If UKG is axed promoters will find themselves losing alot of clubbers!

ielliot
Black originated music is under attack all over the UK. The forces that have the power to cancel events are doing this on the guise of the trouble that may follow these events.

In some cases where the MC/spitter's lyrics implies violence or degradation of our women can only breed a climate around them of trouble and violence. Which is the perfect excuse to limit black youth expression.

What is required is the URBAN PC label to be ditched and promote Black creative music which promotes the telling of our social issues for our young people to get an overstanding of the poli-tricks which control there lives.

Uzi 9MM
Because most of the dumb people who attend don't know how to have a good time. Most of the crowd have a big chip on thier shoulders. its time the clubs took more action regarding security. Start searching more intensley